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| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 7:25pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
Michael547:Because the bible did'nt mention`representative'it said `i will' |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 7:30pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
Kingsempires:Oga 'I will' is not the bone of contention....who is the identity of the firstborn in that verse. Bible hub commentary says it is the only begotten from the Father. So who is that person? Jesus or David? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 10:11pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
That was God promises to david not Jesus |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by sonmvayina(m): 10:13pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
Kingsempires:Do more research.. The gospel were actually written by anonymous authors... Nobody knows who...the Catholic church added those names. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 10:19pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
sonmvayina:Oh my God were did you get this story from? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by sonmvayina(m): 10:32pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
Kingsempires:https://www.worldhistory.org/The_Gospels/ |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Janosky: 11:05pm On Aug 02, 2024*. Modified: 11:39pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:God's word (His utterances) for instance, "God said to them: 'Be fruitful'" @Genesis 1:28 etc) is not to confused with another being called "the Word." His word (utterances) different from "the Word", another being. If God did not speak, would another being called the word exist? Oga, is my question now clearer to you? My point is: God is the Source of another being called "the word" as Miles Monroe rightly pointed out. Hebrew 1:6, "God brings His first born into the world" Oga, who is that first born of God in Hebrew 1:6? Is the spirit realm older than the physical realm? Have you ever observed that the first born in Hebrew 1:6 is the first born in the spirit realm? Is the being called "the Word" the same being called the first born of God @ Hebrew 1:6? Oga, what is the meaning of "first born" in your native tongue? Everyone following this thread would be interested in your response to these important questions. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 11:18pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
sonmvayina:Guy na today be the first time na in i dey read this history |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Janosky: 11:34pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
Steep: "taking upon himself the form of a servant he did all things by his authority " ![]() Oga, study that link & understand where your delusion was brought into Phillipians 2:6-7. https://skipmoen.com/2014/10/the-assumed-trinity-a-look-at-philippians-26/#:~:text=The%20Greek%20reads%20hos%20en,regarded%20equality%20as%20not%20something. Steep:Exodus 15:11 "who is like unto thee, O Jehovah ,among the gods? Oga Steep is Exodus 15:11 & Psalm 82:1,6 inspired in your own Bible? Jehovah the ONLY True God the Most High calls His sons gods, Psalm 83:18 & Psalm 82:6 Oga Steep, Jesus said " the holy scriptures can not be broken",@ John 10:34-36 he quoted Psalm 82:6 which you don't accept. Oga Steep wan change the holy scriptures to fit his man made delusion invented at Nicene. ![]() |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Janosky: 11:52pm On Aug 02, 2024 |
StillDtruth:The Word is a spirit being created by God who created the world. God said to them: "Be fruitful", that utterance is not the spirit being called "the Word. Deluded WAILER. ![]() |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 2:24am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:No! But you insalt yourself by your continous running into a brick wall non stop. That is what mad people do and ufortunately except for Aemmyjah who tries to stay away from the land of madness all other jws here have this played one type of madness or another like you have done |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera: 3:09am On Aug 03, 2024*. Modified: 3:47am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Janosky:Janoski I love your points I will respond when I have the time. ![]() In the mean Time, explain what "The Word" means to our readers. You can see I replied at midnight so, I will respond properly to you later. Meanwhile again, explain what "The Word" means. Shalom
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:35am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:The WORD spoke at Proverbs 8:22-30 please read and compare! |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 7:08am On Aug 03, 2024 |
StillDtruth:Why is it always about the JWs? Why not stick to neutral bible discussions. Must you attack a particular christian denomination? If you believe you have the truth personally, why not prove it in discussions like these? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 7:32am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:Ok is just that in every agrument we learn something from it |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 8:16am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Kingsempires:That is true.....but two people cannot be correct in contradiction. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera: 9:10am On Aug 03, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:You are wrong bro. Why read from verse 22? Why not from the beginning of the chapter for better understanding? You dont just jump into conclusion like that. That was not the Word speaking. That was WISDOM speaking. The book is a book of divine poems. The writer was a poet. He personalized WISDOM and if you read from the beginning you will understand better. Dont Just Take What Watchtower says hook-and-sink just because of the respect you have for them. To JW, whatever Watchtower says is FINAL but to true Christians it is not supposed to be so. The Bible is written in several languages so that no one will have the excuse of saying I dont understand. PROVERBS 8:13-20 NIV [13] TO FEAR THE LORD IS TO HATE EVIL; I HATE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE, EVIL BEHAVIOR AND PERVERSE SPEECH. [14] COUNSEL AND SOUND JUDGMENT ARE MINE; I HAVE INSIGHT, I HAVE POWER. [15] BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREES THAT ARE JUST; [16] BY ME PRINCES GOVERN, AND NOBLES—ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH. [17] I LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE ME, AND THOSE WHO SEEK ME FIND ME. [18] WITH ME ARE RICHES AND HONOR, ENDURING WEALTH AND PROSPERITY. [19] MY FRUIT IS BETTER THAN FINE GOLD; WHAT I YIELD SURPASSES CHOICE SILVER. [20] I WALK IN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, ALONG THE PATHS OF JUSTICE, https://bible.com/bible/111/pro.8.13.NIV THAT WAS WISDOM SPEAKING! IT EVEN SAYS; BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREE THAT ARE JUST. BY ME PRINCES GOVERN AND NOBLES, ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH That was not the Word (Jesus) speaking. It was wisdom speaking. Nothing concerns Jesus with all who rule on earth. Every Ruler needs WISDOM to rule wisely and justly. I am a Poet myself. Poems are not new to me. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 9:55am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:What would you say about the pulpit commentary from bible hub as shown in the screenshot below?
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera: 10:02am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:I love this. Im looking into it. Response later. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 10:02am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:Alright. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera: 10:15am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:Yes the 1 Corinthians calls Him wisdom of God but the other one did not. Anyways, Only Maxim.. Knows why he referred to the book of Proverbs because it seems like an off point to me. Although I had responded to him. The Proverbs verse he quoted was not about the Word,(Jesus) Reading from the beginning of the chapter proves that. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 10:17am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:Which other one did not call Jesus the wisdom of God? So do you confirm that the pulpit commentary from bible hub is also wrong? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 10:23am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:Do you then agree with the pulpit commentary? let's start from there! |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 10:39am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:Nairaland is full of neutral bible discussions. But who here is disturbing this peace of neutrality by drawing attention to your group? No other than jw mad max. And this is in addition to.the fact that jws are liars, which as you see everyone, including muslims and atheists attacks them and points out the fact that you people are Liars. And instead of madmax to just run.away in shame, he continues to Lie and twist thereby racking up more attacks and insalts. So it is jw madmax who sets jw up for abuse |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 10:46am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:Look at the 1 Corin very well and see the implication of Jesus not being God as they are trying to postulate. If Jesus is the Wisdom and Power of God. It means before Jesus was created according to their claim, God was without Power and Wisdom. Notice: 1 Corin didn't say Jesus became POWER OR WISDOM of God but He is THE WISDOM AND POWER OF GOD. Other point is, in Prov 8:22-31, look at the description of the Eternal Wisdom of Yahweh talking about the Creation of the World. You will notice that the SPEAKER who is the Wisdom excluded itself from the act of Creation. 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; As you can see, if the Wisdom speaking is Jesus Christ and the same Jesus was recorded to be the Creator then who is the HE directly involved in the Creation here? Just as you rightly pointed out, the description of Wisdom above even Wisdom as God because it claimed "BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREES THAT ARE JUST; [16] BY ME PRINCES GOVERN, AND NOBLES—ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH. [17] I LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE ME, AND THOSE WHO SEEK ME FIND ME. [18] WITH ME ARE RICHES AND HONOR, ENDURING WEALTH AND PROSPERITY. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 10:57am On Aug 03, 2024 |
StillDtruth:You just made a claim here that the JWs are liars....well you may have a point. Do you know Any religion or denomination that does not lie and is never attacked by any group? Would it be fair and right as a Christian to expose only the group that lies and not tell us the group that does not lie? If you are not going to tell us the group or religion that does not lie, would that not mean that there is actually no group or religion that says the truth? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 11:38am On Aug 03, 2024*. Modified: 11:53am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:So, no issue here. Michael547:I don't know if the op os jw, but i think this thread also.followed a kumuyi thread another denomination where he said something similar and he got the knocks and attacks. Same for when Adeboye says shit and also when catholics speak. So any and all denos are attacked when they Lie. And in Lies, jws and catholics are the biggest because they and lies are personally merged so when identified persons speak, we know it comes from their buckets of Lies hence immediate attack. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:56am On Aug 03, 2024 |
Tetraozonaitera:So you don't know that Jesus Christ is the one speaking @ Proverbs 8:22-30 because the Bible referred to him as WISDOM shey? Well see the verse backing up Proverbs 8:22-30 that Jesus is the same person talking: However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is....... the WISDOM of God. 1Corinthians 1:24 |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 11:56am On Aug 03, 2024 |
StillDtruth:Ok good with your observations..... do you know any religion or denomination that does not lie and is not attacked? If yes, please mention. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 12:00pm On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:You already know that there is none! |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 12:36pm On Aug 03, 2024 |
StillDtruth:Alright... good....it therefore means that every other religions are in the same category as the JWs and Catholics. Now, I notice you teach religious ideas here on nairaland. Do you speak the truth and never get attacked? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 1:58pm On Aug 03, 2024 |
Michael547:Oh you mean you place skate boards and bicycles in the same category as trailers and containers? You just abuse and insalt yourself Jws and catholics are the biggest bible carrying Liars (trailers and containers) and no reasonable compares a trailer to a bicycle or even a car. Michael547:Its like they born you yesterday. Is attack the problem? No or that an attack is valid as justified by the multitude of unbiased and reasonable people attacking? Yes. Everyone is attackable but not every attack is valid. |
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