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MaxInDHouse:
2Timothy 3:16

ALL SCRIPTURES IS INSPIRED OF GOD!

Use your brain to interpret what Paul said. Does it mean that the words spoken by Satan written in the Bible were inspired by God?

God personally condemned so many things Job said in his trying moment. Can you then say that it was God who inspired Job to say those things.

You don't interpret scripture in isolation. The scripture inspired by God are those spoken through his prophets and holy men of God. Also those written by his Apostles and Prophets. Just like Peter wrote;

2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

In another place, he said;

2Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour.

Have sense and have peace.

Steep:
everything you read in Ecclesiastes is divine revelation from God.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

No, they are not. The writer of Ecclesiastes wasn't a prophet. He spoke some truths but he also said things that weren't true. For the scripture to be inspired by God, it has to be through his chosen vessels. Otherwise, Satan too was inspired by God because his words were written in the Bible.

Ken4Christ:
No, they are not. The writer of Ecclesiastes wasn't a prophet. He spoke some truths but he also said things that weren't true. For the scripture to be inspired by God, it has to be through his chosen vessels. Otherwise, Satan too was inspired by God because his words were written in the Bible.

I guess you are right

Ken4Christ:
No, they are not. The writer of Ecclesiastes wasn't a prophet. He spoke some truths but he also said things that weren't true. For the scripture to be inspired by God, it has to be through his chosen vessels. Otherwise, Satan too was inspired by God because his words were written in the Bible.

What were the things that Solomon said that weren't true?

Kingsempires:
People were call their self christians by does'nt believe that Jesuschrist is God.

Did Jesus claim to be the Almighty God?
If yes, where in the bible?

Ken4Christ:
No, they are not. The writer of Ecclesiastes wasn't a prophet. He spoke some truths but he also said things that weren't true. For the scripture to be inspired by God, it has to be through his chosen vessels. Otherwise, Satan too was inspired by God because his words were written in the Bible.

your opinion doesn't matter what matters is the bible.
All scriptures are inspired of God.
See yourself, Did Satan write any part of the bible?
Who told you the writer of Ecclesiastes was not a chosen vessel?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Kingsempires:
I guess you are right

He is not right. All scripture is given by inspiration not some but All.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Solomon wrote what he wrote by the holy Spirit, It is because some people do not understand the Bible that is why they deny reject some part and accept some part.

Steep:
your opinion doesn't matter what matters is the bible.
All scriptures are inspired of God.
See yourself, Did Satan write any part of the bible?
Who told you the writer of Ecclesiastes was not a chosen vessel?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

What of Job that wrote and God condemned most of the things he said?

Michael547:
What were the things that Solomon said that weren't true?

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth.

Animals don't have spirits.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

The souls of the dead are conscious.

Jonah was dead in the belly of the fish for 3 days but his soul was conscious of what happened in the other realm as narrated in Jonah 2.

The Rich man who despised Lazarus was not only conscious, he also remembered he had 5 brothers still on earth.

Jesus was dead for 3 days but his soul was conscious. He even preached to those in chains according to the record of Peter. Apostle Paul said Jesus descended into the lowest part of the earth which is hell. And he defeated Satan there and collected the keys of hell and death from him.

Ken4Christ:
Use your brain to interpret what Paul said. Does it mean that the words spoken by Satan written in the Bible were inspired by God?

God personally condemned so many things Job said in his trying moment. Can you then say that it was God who inspired Job to say those things.

You don't interpret scripture in isolation. The scripture inspired by God are those spoken through his prophets and holy men of God. Also those written by his Apostles and Prophets. Just like Peter wrote;

2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

In another place, he said;

2Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour.

Have sense and have peace.

Solomon was inspired by who?

Ken4Christ:
What of Job that wrote and God condemned most of the things he said?

At the end Job said he spoke foolishly but where in Ecclesiastes was it written or any where else that Ecclesiastes that certain part was not correct? Every book of the scripture provides their context or their context could be gotten somewhere else.
The book of Job is inspired like the other scriptures.

Steep:
The book of Job is still inspired.

Ok

MaxInDHouse:
Nothing is alive in hell says God's word! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

So what you're quoting is an ILLUSTRATION!

Read according to context, the knowledge and wisdom that Ecclesiastes is talking about is what will enable them do work. It does not say dead people cease to exist.

Steep:
Read according to context, the knowledge and wisdom that Ecclesiastes is talking about is what will enable them do work. It does not say dead people cease to exist.

God said Adam will die if he disobey Satan said God lied so choose whom you will support as for me i support God.

Nothing survives death according to God's word whatever is dead can't feel anything not even know a single thing after death!

MaxInDHouse:
God said Adam will die if he disobey Satan said God lied so choose whom you will support as for me i support God.

Nothing survives death according to God's word whatever is dead can't feel anything not even know a single thing after death!

So where does the Bible teach that death means cessation?
Where did God's word say nothing survives death?
The knowledge and wisdom they do not possess is the one that enable them to do work as Ecclesiastes stated.

In fact Ecclesiastes said the spirit returns to God who gave it,

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

According to his verse the spirit does not cease to exist but rather returns to God.

Jesus committed his Spirit to God.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Stephen prayed the Lord Jesus to recieve his spirit.

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

The rich man found himself in hell (God cast him there)

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

After death judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

All these have shown that the Spirit actually survives physical death however the spiritual death is different.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't be a zombie!
You can't use quotations found in a book to verify the authenticity of what is written in the same book.

lost false jw mad max

with the Bible you can in many instances, and should

MaxInDHouse: So wake up from your stupidity the Bible talks about Jesus whom nobody has seen before so instead of quoting the same book think of how to strike a conversation that's meaningful!

of course you don't affirm Bible scripture using Bible scripture
but make up your beliefs in your head:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ken4Christ:
Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth.

Animals don't have spirits.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

The souls of the dead are conscious.

Jonah was dead in the belly of the fish for 3 days but his soul was conscious of what happened in the other realm as narrated in Jonah 2.

The Rich man who despised Lazarus was not only conscious, he also remembered he had 5 brothers still on earth.

Jesus was dead for 3 days but his soul was conscious. He even preached to those in chains according to the record of Peter. Apostle Paul said Jesus descended into the lowest part of the earth which is hell. And he defeated Satan there and collected the keys of hell and death from him.

According to different versions of Psalm 146:4 below in the screenshot, what is the 'spirit' that departs when a man dies? Does Psalms 146:4 says that a man continues to be conscious after death?


According to Genesis 7:22 in the screenshot below, do animals also have 'Spirit of life' in them?
Was Moses also lying that Animals have spirits?

Where was the consciousness of soul after death mentioned in those two verses?

Steep:
So where does the Bible teach that death means cessation?
Where did God's word say nothing survives death?
The knowledge and wisdom they do not possess is the one that enable them to do work as Ecclesiastes stated.

In fact Ecclesiastes said the spirit returns to God who gave it,

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

According to his verse the spirit does not cease to exist but rather returns to God.

Jesus committed his Spirit to God.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Stephen prayed the Lord Jesus to recieve his spirit.

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

The rich man found himself in hell (God cast him there)

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

After death judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

All these have shown that the Spirit actually survives physical death however the spiritual death is different.

The word "SPIRIT" in this context means "FORCE OF LIFE life" it doesn't mean the creature continues existing somewhere else otherwise Jesus who committed his spirit unto God couldn't have been said later "raised from the dead" Act 3:15

So when Jesus died he was COMPLETELY DEAD like all other creatures {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} but the [b]"force of life" or "spirit"[b] sustaining the breath returns to God who gave it to all creatures! Ecclesiastes 12:7 compare to Genesis 2:7

That's what it means at death all creatures seize to exist!

Steep:
So where does the Bible teach that death means cessation?
Where did God's word say nothing survives death?
The knowledge and wisdom they do not possess is the one that enable them to do work as Ecclesiastes stated.

In fact Ecclesiastes said the spirit returns to God who gave it,

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

According to his verse the spirit does not cease to exist but rather returns to God.

Jesus committed his Spirit to God.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Stephen prayed the Lord Jesus to recieve his spirit.

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

The rich man found himself in hell (God cast him there)

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

After death judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

All these have shown that the Spirit actually survives physical death however the spiritual death is different.

Where did King Solomon say that the spirit continues consciousness?

Do Animals spirit also continue consciousness after death since they have the same spirit as man according to Solomon in Ecclesiastics 3:19 as shown in the screenshot below?

MaxInDHouse:
The word "SPIRIT" in this context means "FORCE OF LIFE life" it doesn't mean the creature continues existing somewhere else otherwise Jesus who committed his spirit unto God couldn't have been said later "raised from the dead" Act 3:15

So when Jesus died he was COMPLETELY DEAD like all other creatures {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} but the [b]"force of life" or "spirit"[b] sustaining the breath returns to God who gave it to all creatures! Ecclesiastes 12:7 compare to Genesis 2:7

That's what it means at death all creatures seize to exist!

you said nothing survives death yet the breath of life survives death can't you see you are wrong? By the way the word spirit can be interpreted as breath of life or the part of a man capable of understanding and expressing emotion depending on the context.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Michael547:
Where did King Solomon say that the spirit continues consciousness?

Do Animals spirit also continue consciousness after death since they have the same spirit as man according to Solomon in Ecclesiastics 3:19 as shown in the screenshot below?

The word "spirit" cab be used in different context it can be just the breath of life which both man and animals possesses, it can be the invisible part of man capable of knowledge and emotions or it can be used to describe angels and God.

Steep:
The word "spirit" cab be used in different context it can be just the breath of life which both man and animals possesses, it can be the invisible part of man capable of knowledge and emotions or it can be used to describe angels and God.

Show me a verse that talks of spirit as the invisible conscious part of man that survives death?

Below is Psalms 146:4....which other spirit does that verse say is conscious and that survives the death of a man?

Michael547:
Show me a verse that talks of spirit as the invisible conscious part of man that survives death?

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
The spirit capable of knowledge and resides in man

Steep:
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
The spirit capable of knowledge and resides in man

Oga does the spirit survives death and continues being conscious?
Below is Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below.
King Solomon in Ecclesiastics 3:19 says man and beast die the same way......was he wrong?

Michael547:
Show me a verse that talks of spirit as the invisible conscious part of man that survives death?

Below is Psalms 146:4....which other spirit does that verse say is conscious and that survives the death of a man?

The context of Ecclesiastes is from the context of "life under the Sun".

When man dies he has no portion on things done under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

For example he said man has no prominence over beast but the context he is speaking is death.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

According to ecc 9:5 the dead have no more reward, does that mean Abraham, Noah, Abel etc have no reward? No, this is only refering to participating in things on earth because that is the context of the preacher in the first place.

Steep:
The context of Ecclesiastes is from the context of "life under the Sun".

When man dies he has no portion on things done under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

For example he said man has no prominence over beast but the context he is speaking is death.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

According to ecc 9:5 the dead have no more reward, does that mean Abraham, Noah, Abel etc have no reward? No, this is only refering to participating in things on earth because that is the context of the preacher in the first place.

Oga so where does the Bible say that a conscious spirit survives the death of a man and continues living elsewhere with the thought of the man?
How do you explain Psalms 146:4?

Steep:
you said nothing survives death yet the breath of life survives death can't you see you are wrong? By the way the word spirit can be interpreted as breath of life or the part of a man capable of understanding and expressing emotion depending on the context.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God except the spirit of God.

The context completely differs!

Steep:
So where does the Bible teach that death means cessation?
Where did God's word say nothing survives death?
The knowledge and wisdom they do not possess is the one that enable them to do work as Ecclesiastes stated.

In fact Ecclesiastes said the spirit returns to God who gave it,

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

According to his verse the spirit does not cease to exist but rather returns to God.

Jesus committed his Spirit to God.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Stephen prayed the Lord Jesus to recieve his spirit.

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

The rich man found himself in hell (God cast him there)

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

After death judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

All these have shown that the Spirit actually survives physical death however the spiritual death is different.

nice bible quoting

Michael547:
According to different versions of Psalm 146:4 below in the screenshot, what is the 'spirit' that departs when a man dies? Does Psalms 146:4 says that a man continues to be conscious after death?


According to Genesis 7:22 in the screenshot below, do animals also have 'Spirit of life' in them?
Was Moses also lying that Animals have spirits?

Where was the consciousness of soul after death mentioned in those two verses?

The Old Testament is a type and shadow of the New Testament. Knowledge of spiritual things were limited under the Old Testament. If you want to know the truth of certain issues of life, you will have to get it in the New Testament. Jesus who is the truth has revealed so many things to us which those under the Old Covenant didn't know.

Ken4Christ:
The Old Testament is a type and shadow of the New Testament. Knowledge of spiritual things were limited under the Old Testament. If you want to know the truth of certain issues of life, you will have to get it in the New Testament. Jesus who is the truth has revealed so many things to us which those under the Old Covenant didn't know.

So it was not only Solomon that lied? Other faithful men of God lied too.

Michael547:
So it was not only Solomon that lied? Other faithful men of God lied too.

He know what his saying.is just like telling me you practice the torah.

MaxInDHouse:
For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God except the spirit of God.

The context completely differs!

what is the context? Can an impersonal force have knowledge?