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TheSuperNerd:
You dey laugh your client as regards the SE job wey him hire you for to bag for am.

What a lawyer-client combo.

Bro, this my client can make players laugh go spoil match oo. 🤣🤣🤣

chrisooblog:
My stance has always been if they intended to manage her to perform optimally for her best event she should have been carried along instead of callously taking the decision out of her hands.

Put yourself in her shoes you have trained for years to feature in one of the blue ribbon events of the Olympics then some one without any regard for your opinions or feelings takes that away from you and you should just accept 'oops my bad' as an excuse?

Ofili has potential I hope her mentors back home in Nigeria can comfort and encourage her.

Look at Amusan internationally nobody really rated her in the beginning but now she's a World Record holder and a genuine gold medal favourite. Everything is a process.

I didn't directly respond to this point because Marjoribanks didn't directly state is as an argument and I didn't want to respond to it even though it could have been inferred. But since you mentioned it I think it's important to address this.

At no point did either the AFN or the NOC say they pulled Favour out of the 100m race so they could manage her effectively for the other races. So discussing with her about it is out of the question because they never claimed that this was the reason why she wasn't entered.

The notion was shared by a journalist (I think I posted it here as one of the rumours going round) who spoke to a former athlete who works in the system and he offered this explanation as what he thinks likely happened. He said this before the NOC, AFN and the minister responded. You'll notice the minister never remotely inferred this in his submissions.

AFN insist Favour was included in the list they sent to the NOC, NOC claims they also sent her name to World Athletics for the 100m. All of these is being investigated (allegedly) and hopefully we would know more once they are done.

I understand your point. You don't get mine! Peace!

lovewins:
1. My intention wasn't to disrespect, it's my I said "your take" and not you personally. I apologise it came across as disrespectful.

2. I've listened to most of Tobi's interview, I even listened to one she did at her school in Texas that could be interpreted as her disrespecting Nigeria. I didn't bring it too light cause I was mature enough to know the conversation was more nuanced and people looking for clicks would make a mess of it. I am yet to find a clip of Favour disrespecting Nigeria, please direct me to one that proves this.

3. You've got to cite instances where Favour Dishonored Nigeria cause that's the what you seem to be inferring which is what informed my response in the first place. Refusing to participate in an event she no longer trains for isn't disrespect.

4. Athletes aren't once size fits all. Tobago isn't Favour. They aren't the same sex, they don't have the same body, they are both not predisposed to the same injury scare. Coaches make decisions for their athletes based on peculiar factors so that someone did it doesn't mean another should. Sydney McLaughlin WR in the 400mH qualifies her as 6th in the world in the 400m flat so she could as well do both event. she however skipped the world championship entirely and isn't participating in the Flat nor the relay because her coach made a decision based on the peculiarity of her body. Bol however participated in all of these and won the relay gold medal for her country. Both coaches made the correct decision for their athletes based on peculiarities. Reducing Sydney's decision to being disrespectful of the USA or dishonouring her country would be a wild take and this is exactly what you're doing to Favour.

5. The only time Favour didn't participate in a race she was supposed to was at the African champions a few months ago and this had nothing to do with the AFN. The event was so badly planned that not I my favour but every top athlete in Africa refused to participate in protest. Some Nigerians also did the same.

6. Finally, the 400m race is the hardest of these things races with potential impact on the body. Just a few minutes ago incidentally pumped into a post on twitter I'll link to this sharing same sentiments. Also, Running 100 and 200m all the way to the finals isn't running 900m like you're making it seem. It's running 100m or 200m as the case may be per time. You don't add them up in a bid to make a point. They don't affect the body the same.

Joebie:
My bro the truth be say we cannot do better. It’s better to go for someone who has long wanted to coach us and believes in our potential. I will take that over philosophy from another low grade coach with little belief.

Modified
Let me add that Seinfelt is like a Nigerian (in terms of passion for Naija) but will be given the respect of a foreigner. That last part is the sad reality.

That last part very important

But I can't say it loud. My client dey monitor me.

Marjoribanks:
I understand your point. You don't get mine! Peace!

The reason I don't get it is I've never seen a situation where Favour disrespected Nigeria. Maybe there's one or two I'm unaware of. It's why I asked that you direct me to it. No wahala Baba. Peace.

Marjoribanks:
I understand your point. You don't get mine! Peace!

Abeg sir, is Ogazi's lane 3 ok or is this one bad too?

Thank you sir.

Joebie:
My bro the truth be say we cannot do better. It’s better to go for someone who has long wanted to coach us and believes in our potential. I will take that over philosophy from another low grade coach with little belief.

Modified
Let me add that Seinfelt is like a Nigerian (in terms of passion for Naija) but will be given the respect of a foreigner. That last part is the sad reality.

Update:

Super Eagles vacant job:

Eric Chelle is back in the race after Tom Sanfeit and Herve Renard's monthly salary requests were $100,000 and $125,000 respectively.

Chelle's English is basic and according to my source he also impressed during the interview session.

Source Oganla Media

lovewins:
This is an unfair and ignorant take. You are not an athlete and don't understand the life on an athlete or the rigors they go through for years to run the best 11 seconds of their life. Also what you put here is even factually incorrect.

1. Favour started at the youth championships running the 200m and 400m. When she got to college she transitioned and stopped running the 400m altogether and focused on 100 and 200m. This isn't peculiar to her to, we have athletes who transition to other events based in their Coaches advice. Tobi Amusan is an example.

2. While she, obviously better at the 200m, she's over the years improved on her 100m run and was willing to constantly improve on it. She didn't need to medalz she just needed to constantly improve her time.

3. So yes she rightly turned down the 400m cause she stopped participating in the event as she was more likely to get injured doing it. You can check this out BTW.

4. Coaches are regarded as next to God to athletes. There's hardly any interview you hear Tobi Amusan speak that she doesn't refer to her coach. When you hear her speak if her coach you'll think she's refering to God. Sydney McLaughlin didn't participate in the World Championship of 2023 even though she was assured of winning because her coach told her not to. Athletes rightly listen only to their coaches and Nigerian athletes the more for the reason below.

5. Athletics coaches are expensive to hire. They cost an average of $50k yearly and could be more. Professional athletes are responsible for paying their coaches. Nigerian athletes obviously don't have that kind of money neither do they get support from the AFN save for the training grants or $5k which they need to pray and fast to get. The good thing though is many of our athletes have build great relationships with their coaches from college and leverage on these relationships in their professional careers. Why will they not listen to these folks to please a federation that doesn't give a hoot about them?

6. Also, favour is now a pro (an Adidas Athlete). It means she primarily caters for herself in the US. She's responsible for her finances and upkeep and trainings etc and no longer enjoys scholarship. Unlike popular US athletes who earn a lot from endorsements, athletes like favour have KPIs they must meet before they get certain benefits. It's why they carefully select the races they participate in. She doesn't need to get a medal (even though that's her goal). There's monetary incentive for every stage of the Olympics she gets to.

7. If Favour and her coach says she can run the 100 and 200m who are we and the federation to have an opinion? BTW she isn't doing something new, Julien Alfred literally did it this year. Sherika Jackson Elaine Thomson and Shelly Ann are amongst a number of athletes who do this.

8. She didn't guilt trip the federation, she rightly called them out for messing with her career and livelyhood. Athletics for most is a short term sports and they've literally deprived her of participation in 2 Olympics (second one partly). She isn't responsible for how Nigerians react, but she was right to call them out.

This is so insightful and i have learnt a lot from it

I am waiting for him to retort..most likely with insults as that is his forte

Good lane outside of Lanes 4 & 5.

I think Ogazi will run another PB but will fall short of the podium.

Predict him to finish 5th or 6th.

AndSunGorilla:
Abeg sir, is Ogazi's lane 3 ok or is this one bad too?

Thank you sir.

lovewins:
Update:

Super Eagles vacant job:

Eric Chelle is back in the race after Tom Sanfeit and Herve Renard's monthly salary requests were $100,000 and $125,000 respectively.

Chelle's English is basic and according to my source he also impressed during the interview session.

Source Oganla Media

Why would Sainfeit ask for $100k a month?? Anyway, laslas Eguavoen will lead the team in the next round of games.

chrisooblog:
Good lane outside of Lanes 4 & 5.

I think Ogazi will run another PB but will fall short of the podium.

Predict him to finish 5th or 6th.

There was this Norwegian guy Karsten Walholm who rán out of lane 9 and set a world record in the 400m hurdles. Person wey go win go win.
Meanwhile am hoping that Ogazi could pull of an offset like the American who wọn the 800m men's final do yesterday. There was sọ much noise about the Briton Kerr and Norwegian Inganridsomething and at the end, an outsider pulled off an offset, same thing with the last Olympics 100m Lamont Marcel Jacob.

It wasn't a callous decision. That is exactly my point. It was taken in her best interest and that of the nation. Should she have been carried along, absolutely! If she wasn't why? There is a reason to that, and Favour herself knows.

The Olympic error was a grave mistake that shouldn't have happened, but after that the federation has been accountable.
Stood by Tobi and fought tooth and nail for her during her trying times. Tobi now knows better!

Talou got injured running the 100m and missed the 200m. Shericka, Pryse etc did not even participate. Did they die? There are ways to handle things! Peace brother!

chrisooblog:
My stance has always been if they intended to manage her to perform optimally for her best event she should have been carried along instead of callously taking the decision out of her hands.

Put yourself in her shoes you have trained for years to feature in one of the blue ribbon events of the Olympics then some one without any regard for your opinions or feelings takes that away from you and you should just accept 'oops my bad' as an excuse?

Ofili has potential I hope her mentors back home in Nigeria can comfort and encourage her.

Look at Amusan internationally nobody really rated her in the beginning but now she's a World Record holder and a genuine gold medal favourite. Everything is a process.

Sarcasm at best! Lane 3 is very good! Do you know that in the semis he beat the guy that defeated him at the NCAA finals? He might not medal but he will be close like Ofili!

AndSunGorilla:
Abeg sir, is Ogazi's lane 3 ok or is this one bad too?

Thank you sir.

Lol! Let me tell you a secret Dlaw! We are just using all these foreign coaches for ruse nii oo. Na your client- elyte be the number 1 on the list followed by Salisu. Na first with money we go employ. Employment letter dey ground!

Mujtahida:
I know. Joebie na correct man.

Abeg ooo. You guys should give us till next month. We are raising fund on gofundme so we can come see you guys at the ministry. Just hold the line for us.

Joebie:
What story is not true? You really think Herve will come down on his salary demand? Herve knows his worth. He has never taken Naija seriously.

The salary demand was just a subtle way of making it cost prohibitive for Naija. If he wanted the job, he would've reduced it.

AndSunGorilla:
Why would Sainfeit ask for $100k a month?? Anyway, laslas Eguavoen will lead the team in the next round of games.

He would pay compensation to his present employer before he could work out of his contract with them.

Felt a need to step into this, since @majoribanks is suggesting @lovewins was handpicking examples

Neither of these athletes were asked to do what their coaches advised them not to. Professionals do not do that. Also, neither of them was drafted into a race they were not trained for. By the way, I do not know of an instance of Favour not honoring her country's call.

Chidi couldn't participate in the last Olympics too. He grew up in the States yet always honors his country's call with humility and respect. Ogazi, the next big thing, consistently honors his country's call. Why is she different? The same country discovered her and sent her those youth competitions, but now they don't have a say because she is with Adidas?

Tebogo has run a lot of 400m meters this year for endurance building. No Nigerian has run Tebogo's 44.29 in 36 years! That is how good he is. Hence, the scenarios are different. I bet you if his coach says no, he would not have attempted it.

I have never heard of any association vetoing an athlete's choice of events, after the said athlete has fulfilled the qualification requirements . The power to do this rests with the athlete and coach alone. The only reason Usain Bolt ran that iconic 100m race in Beijing was because his coach permitted him. (See https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/aug/06/olympics2008.athletics). He persuaded his coach to try the 100m a year before. Yet Bolt was not sure he was going to run the 100m as a world record holder, even with a few weeks left to the games . If his coach had said NO, not even the federation can overturn that!

At that same World Relay, we saw Tebogo practically dragging his country to the 4x400 mixed relay African record. Are you saying Tebogo does not have a good coach?

The events are not cumulative. She is not the first athlete to do the double. Some athletes actually use one to condition and prepare themselves for the other. She earned the right to double up by winning both events at the trials.

My point remains, if you can't run less than 400m in a 4x400 relay, you shouldn't be running 900m in 4 days. It's that simple. And show respect to those who lift you up when you were a nobody!

I am not sure I get your point here. Neita participated in both 100m and 200m. The rest you listed did not double up because of their performance at the US trials and not because they could not. If they had qualified, they most likely would have run in both categories to expand their chances of an olympic medal.

You listed four athletes, yet only one participated in both events at the Olympics. Interesting. Let me help you add to the list: Long, Richardson, Hill, Neita, etc.

I believe administrative incompetence is the reason why she was not entered for the 100m and whoever is responsible should be fired from their job. This has happened time and time again. I remember Okagbare and Oduduru being registered for events they were not interested in at the world champs in 2019. It is already becoming a pattern and an embarassment to the nation.

An athlete shouldn't have to worry about whether the administrative tasks of registering for the right events are going to be properly handled. The competitiveness of the olympics requires full focus and issues like this ar enot helpful for peak performance

tglobal:
Felt a need to step into this, since @majoribanks is suggesting @lovewins was handpicking examples

Neither of these athletes were asked to do what their coaches advised them not to. Professionals do not do that. Also, neither of them was drafted into a race they were not trained for. By the way, I do not know of an instance of Favour not honoring her country's call.



Tebogo has run a lot of 400m meters this year for endurance building. No Nigerian has run Tebogo's 44.29 in 36 years! That is how good he is. Hence, the scenarios are different. I bet you if his coach says no, he would not have attempted it.

I have never heard of any association vetoing an athlete's choice of events, after the said athlete has fulfilled the qualification requirements . The power to do this rests with the athlete and coach alone. The only reason Usain Bolt ran that iconic 100m race in Beijing was because his coach permitted him. (See https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/aug/06/olympics2008.athletics). He persuaded his coach to try the 100m a year before. Yet Bolt was not sure he was going to run the 100m as a world record holder, even with a few weeks left to the games . If his coach had said NO, not even the federation can overturn that!



The events are not cumulative. She is not the first athlete to do the double. Some athletes actually use one to condition and prepare themselves for the other. She earned the right to double up by winning both events at the trials.



I am not sure I get your point here. Neita participated in both 100m and 200m. The rest you listed did not double up because of their performance at the US trials and not because they could not. If they had qualified, they most likely would have run in both categories to expand their chances of an olympic medal.



I believe administrative incompetence is the reason why she was not entered for the 100m and whoever is responsible should be fired from their job. This has happened time and time again. I remember Okagbare and Oduduru being registered for events they were not interested in at the world champs in 2019. It is already becoming a pattern and an embarassment to the nation.

Appreciate your contribution to the discourse. This was very insightful. I also wanted to note that athletes sometimes participate in a race to condition for another, don't know what that skipped me. Tobi Amusan for instance did a couple of 60m and 100m this year to condition for her primary race. Thanks for highlighting this.

Marjoribanks:
It wasn't a callous decision. That is exactly my point. It was taken in her best interest and that of the nation. Should she have been carried along, absolutely! If she wasn't why? There is a reason to that, and Favour herself knows.

The Olympic error was a grave mistake that shouldn't have happened, but after that the federation has been accountable.
Stood by Tobi and fought tooth and nail for her during her trying times. Tobi now knows better!

Talou got injured running the 100m and missed the 200m. Shericka, Pryse etc did not even participate. Did they die? There are ways to handle things! Peace brother!

Again there's no need qualifying a decision as callous or otherwise since neither the AFN, NOC or sports ministry has claimed they took said decision. The claim is that they entered her for all the competitions are required and investigation is allegedly going on to find out what happened.

Again they didn't claim to take a decision to rest Favour in her interest.

Marjoribanks:
It wasn't a callous decision. That is exactly my point. It was taken in her best interest and that of the nation. Should she have been carried along, absolutely! If she wasn't why? There is a reason to that, and Favour herself knows.

The Olympic error was a grave mistake that shouldn't have happened, but after that the federation has been accountable.
Stood by Tobi and fought tooth and nail for her during her trying times. Tobi now knows better!

Talou got injured running the 100m and missed the 200m. Shericka, Pryse etc did not even participate. Did they die? There are ways to handle things! Peace brother!

This na why Joebie go dey question whether you really dey yankee. Cos why you go dey reason like this na? Na athlete she be oh, no be Nigerian army she join.

Olympics is not national service. That thing na Naija mentality or some of this Asian countries like China and Russia wey their government dey see am as achievement. Na why those countries dey spend plenty money on athletes.

If you want her to see it as a service then you people should spend on her they way China dem dey do na.

Good point you make about running a different distance for conditioning.

Who knows maybe running the 100m would have helped her finish stronger in the 200m races.

tglobal:
Felt a need to step into this, since @majoribanks is suggesting @lovewins was handpicking examples

Neither of these athletes were asked to do what their coaches advised them not to. Professionals do not do that. Also, neither of them was drafted into a race they were not trained for. By the way, I do not know of an instance of Favour not honoring her country's call.



Tebogo has run a lot of 400m meters this year for endurance building. No Nigerian has run Tebogo's 44.29 in 36 years! That is how good he is. Hence, the scenarios are different. I bet you if his coach says no, he would not have attempted it.

I have never heard of any association vetoing an athlete's choice of events, after the said athlete has fulfilled the qualification requirements . The power to do this rests with the athlete and coach alone. The only reason Usain Bolt ran that iconic 100m race in Beijing was because his coach permitted him. (See https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/aug/06/olympics2008.athletics). He persuaded his coach to try the 100m a year before. Yet Bolt was not sure he was going to run the 100m as a world record holder, even with a few weeks left to the games . If his coach had said NO, not even the federation can overturn that!



The events are not cumulative. She is not the first athlete to do the double. Some athletes actually use one to condition and prepare themselves for the other. She earned the right to double up by winning both events at the trials.



I am not sure I get your point here. Neita participated in both 100m and 200m. The rest you listed did not double up because of their performance at the US trials and not because they could not. If they had qualified, they most likely would have run in both categories to expand their chances of an olympic medal.



I believe administrative incompetence is the reason why she was not entered for the 100m and whoever is responsible should be fired from their job. This has happened time and time again. I remember Okagbare and Oduduru being registered for events they were not interested in at the world champs in 2019. It is already becoming a pattern and an embarassment to the nation.

An athlete shouldn't have to worry about whether the administrative tasks of registering for the right events are going to be properly handled. The competitiveness of the olympics requires full focus and issues like this ar enot helpful for peak performance

SAID SO MUCH WITHOUT SAYING NOTHING. BIRDS OF A FEATHER...

JohnBullMySon:
This na why Joebie go dey question whether you really dey yankee. Cos why you go dey reason like this na? Na athlete she be oh, no be Nigerian army she join.

Olympics is not national service. That thing na Naija mentality or some of this Asian countries like China and Russia wey their government dey see am as achievement. Na why those countries dey spend plenty money on athletes.

If you want her to see it as a service then you people should spend on her they way China dem dey do na.

Finding out you are not participating in an event you have mentally prepared for, and traveled around the world in order to meet the IAAF qualifying standards a few days to the start is surely not in her best interest or that of the nation.

I would probably buy the idea of pulling an athlete out of an event, if her participation would have deprived another athlete their chance of participation. But this was not the case here as we only had 2 other athletes meet the 100m grade.

lovewins:
Update:

Super Eagles vacant job:

Eric Chelle is back in the race after Tom Sanfeit and Herve Renard's monthly salary requests were $100,000 and $125,000 respectively.

Chelle's English is basic and according to my source he also impressed during the interview session.

Source Oganla Media

Saintfiet is asking for $100k!! That's ballsy

Couple weeks to the qualifying round of nations cup who is super eagles coach why is Nigeria just irrationally different

You said Bolt persuaded the coach? Right?
I wish I could get that interview where Favour categorically said she is stubborn. She said "they know I am stubborn?" Who are the they? Doing the 400m at the world relays won't affect her in any way. 400m relay is not a flat. She can run but just decided not too. I even heard from good authority that her coach persuaded her to but she refused.
All these were cause of the Olympic issue. She has to find a way to forget and forgive and move on.

I am one of her most trusted supporter even here. I know what I am talking about.

You good analyst must know I understand your point clearly. But there is something going on beyond running and injury!

tglobal:
Felt a need to step into this, since @majoribanks is suggesting @lovewins was handpicking examples

Neither of these athletes were asked to do what their coaches advised them not to. Professionals do not do that. Also, neither of them was drafted into a race they were not trained for. By the way, I do not know of an instance of Favour not honoring her country's call.



Tebogo has run a lot of 400m meters this year for endurance building. No Nigerian has run Tebogo's 44.29 in 36 years! That is how good he is. Hence, the scenarios are different. I bet you if his coach says no, he would not have attempted it.

I have never heard of any association vetoing an athlete's choice of events, after the said athlete has fulfilled the qualification requirements . The power to do this rests with the athlete and coach alone. The only reason Usain Bolt ran that iconic 100m race in Beijing was because his coach permitted him. (See https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/aug/06/olympics2008.athletics). He persuaded his coach to try the 100m a year before. Yet Bolt was not sure he was going to run the 100m as a world record holder, even with a few weeks left to the games . If his coach had said NO, not even the federation can overturn that!



The events are not cumulative. She is not the first athlete to do the double. Some athletes actually use one to condition and prepare themselves for the other. She earned the right to double up by winning both events at the trials.



I am not sure I get your point here. Neita participated in both 100m and 200m. The rest you listed did not double up because of their performance at the US trials and not because they could not. If they had qualified, they most likely would have run in both categories to expand their chances of an olympic medal.



I believe administrative incompetence is the reason why she was not entered for the 100m and whoever is responsible should be fired from their job. This has happened time and time again. I remember Okagbare and Oduduru being registered for events they were not interested in at the world champs in 2019. It is already becoming a pattern and an embarassment to the nation.

An athlete shouldn't have to worry about whether the administrative tasks of registering for the right events are going to be properly handled. The competitiveness of the olympics requires full focus and issues like this ar enot helpful for peak performance

Oganla is not right! Sanfelt is not asking for such amount. NFF knows what they are doing. We watching!

lovewins:
Update:

Super Eagles vacant job:

Eric Chelle is back in the race after Tom Sanfeit and Herve Renard's monthly salary requests were $100,000 and $125,000 respectively.

Chelle's English is basic and according to my source he also impressed during the interview session.

Source Oganla Media

Yes, it is easier to join the critics but I just decide to dig deeper into the situation!

tglobal:
Finding out you are not participating in an event you have mentally prepared for, and traveled around the world in order to meet the IAAF qualifying standards a few days to the start is surely not in her best interest or that of the nation.

I would probably buy the idea of pulling an athlete out of an event, if her participation would have deprived another athlete their chance of participation. But this was not the case here as we only had 2 other athletes meet the 100m grade.

The story is that Seinfeit’s agent were in Framce, but NFF kept them in limbo because Herve was their top choice.

I’m not surprised the twist.

We will keep going on circles until Cezero leads the team.

lovewins:
Update:

Super Eagles vacant job:

Eric Chelle is back in the race after Tom Sanfeit and Herve Renard's monthly salary requests were $100,000 and $125,000 respectively.

Chelle's English is basic and according to my source he also impressed during the interview session.

Source Oganla Media

Marjoribanks:
Sarcasm at best! Lane 3 is very good! Do you know that in the semis he beat the guy that defeated him at the NCAA finals? He might not medal but he will be close like Ofili!

Dr. Omo ọgbọ́n

joelsteron:
John Obi Mikel before Morinho's impact.
Now I see Onyedika not Iwobi stepping into this version of Mikel. If encouraged.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMrVPkHJt/

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Deep-lying play making

Raphael Onyedika vs KV Mechelen.
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Joebie:
The story is that Seinfeit’s agent were in Framce, but NFF kept them in limbo because Herve was their top choice.

I’m not surprised the twist.

We will keep going on circles until Cezero leads the team.

They might be playing a narrative like d foreign coaches we re trying to engage are too expensive hence we have to settle for a salisu/siasia combo or siasia /salisu combo

Meanwhile me and dlaw dey negotiate $25k monthly salary,dey neva gree and Dlaw don dey anticipate his monthly 2,500$ kickbacks from d salary if he clinch d deal as agreed😊