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In Christianity, they believe in the Trinity to be God divinity this is the proof from the bible that makes the belief of the Trinity


Isaiah 9;6,col 2:9,1 cor 8;16,2cor13:14, 2cor13;14,joh 10;30,luke1;35,mat 28;19,mat3;16-17,john14;16-17 e.t.c


These chapters and verses I quoted proofs the Trinity of God is Biblical.


But there is also places in the Bible that proof that Yahweh/Jehovah is the one and only God places like;


Isaiah 45;5-12,mark 10:17-18,john; 5:30,john 5;44 Exodus 20;3,deu 4;35, mark 12;29-34, Romans 3;30,1chron 17;20, Psalm 86;10 e.t.c


So this is were it confuses.Is it that the Bible is saying two different things.This is what the Muslims, atheist or some other religions will Said that the Bible is full of contradiction. So my fellow Christian can anyone fully explained the holy Trinity for does who those not really understand about Trinity and why is there difference explanation between this chapters I wrote above.


Please am not against anybody, anybody who have knowledge about this chapters should please explain the way others can understand it

Be chasing shadow

Happy Sunday pls some one should help me with any amount

Kingsempires

Wolechidera:
Happy Sunday pls some one should help me with any amount

Kingsempires

is there anything wrong

Kingsempires:
is there anything wrong

.No sir Just looking for help

Wolechidera:
.No sir Just looking for help

you know say to dey look for help from this tinubu regime dey hard well well I just pray for.God to help us for this economy

I believe there are some people that can explain it well

Kingsempires:
I believe there are some people that can explain it well

Nobody can explain anything about TRINITY in the Bible because there is nothing like TRINITY it's just a doctrine brought in the name of Jesus so if you want to know the truth just go to any THEOLOGY SCHOOLS where most people claiming pastors today got their skills to teach and ask those lecturing them there to explain TRINITY to you, all they will tell you is the same thing they've been telling billions of TRINITY worshipers:

"It's the holy ghost that will TEACH you"

That's why you have over 41,000 different sects all defining Trinity differently leading to contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

There is nothing called Trinity in God's word!

Let me make it easy for you to understand
The name is government but how does it manifest
Executive,legislative, judiciary
The three arms come together to form what is called government
All have their individual characteristics and importance but cannot function without each other

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody can explain anything about TRINITY in the Bible because there is nothing like TRINITY it's just a doctrine brought in the name of Jesus so if you want to know the truth just go to any THEOLOGY SCHOOLS where most people claiming pastors today got their skills to teach and ask those lecturing them there to explain TRINITY to you, all they will tell you is the same thing they've been telling billions of TRINITY worshipers:

"It's the holy ghost that will TEACH you"

That's why you have over 41,000 different sects all defining Trinity differently leading to contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

There is nothing called Trinity in God's word!

that is why I wanted some explanation because other religion like Muslims sees that as polytheism so can you really explain some chapters and verses like Matthew 28;18-19, John 10;30 , Romans 14;17-18 Don't you think that it explaining about the Trinity

Kingsempires:
that is why I wanted some explanation because other religion like Muslims sees that as polytheism so can you really explain some chapters and verses like Matthew 28;18-19, John 10;30 , Romans 14;17-18 Don't you think that it explaining about the Trinity

According to God's word to Moses this is what was recorded:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

Not three in one but one!

So what is the meaning of Jesus' statement at Matthew 28:18-20?

Jesus is telling us that after completing his job to lay down his life {John 19:30} God gave him all authority both in heaven and on earth so we can go now to all the nations preaching and teaching them all the things the true God the father of all creations has done for mankind through Jesus' ransom sacrifice and the support we will get through the Holy Spirit.
Not that God is three in one.

@ John 10:30 Jesus explained that himself and his father are one meaning he always comply with his father's opinion and he prayed that the same should be extended to his faithful disciples:

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one" John 17:22 KJV

If his disciples are one with Jesus and God what do you make of that?

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Romans 14:17-18

Where is Trinity here?

You can never ever see the word TRINITY in the Bible neither can you see two persons agree on anything regarding Trinity because it's a lie that's why as many as the supporters of Trinity they can't come up with one doctrine!

So maxinhouse,a part like joh 8;58 when jesus said before abraham I AM and if you go to exodus 3;14 God said,"I am who I am.this is what you must say to them:'the one who is called I AM has sent me to you .what is your thougth for Jesus using the phase "I AM' to described hiself ?

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word to Moses this is what was recorded:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

Not three in one but one!

So what is the meaning of Jesus' statement at Matthew 28:18-20?

Jesus is telling us that after completing his job to lay down his life {John 19:30} God gave him all authority both in heaven and on earth so we can go now to all the nations preaching and teaching them all the things the true God the father of all creations has done for mankind through Jesus' ransom sacrifice and the support we will get through the Holy Spirit.
Not that God is three in one.

@ John 10:30 Jesus explained that himself and his father are one meaning he always comply with his father's opinion and he prayed that the same should be extended to his faithful disciples:

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one" John 17:22 KJV

If his disciples are one with Jesus and God what do you make of that?

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Romans 14:17-18

Where is Trinity here?

You can never ever see the word TRINITY in the Bible neither can you see two persons agree on anything regarding Trinity because it's a lie that's why as many as the supporters of Trinity they can't come up with one doctrine!

Who said the Lord our God is not One? Are Christians claiming three Gods? Apply sense when typing next time!

SharonLoveth:
Who said the Lord our God is not One? Are Christians claiming three Gods? Apply sense when typing next time!

You already know that jws are devils and this jw is a mad person, so expect this kind of shit.

Kingsempires:
I believe there are some people that can explain it well

Trinity or no trinitity, you are going to hellfire if you are an enemy of God!

Kingsempires:
So maxinhouse,a part like joh 8;58 when jesus said before abraham I AM and if you go to exodus 3;14 God said,"I am who I am.this is what you must say to them:'the one who is called I AM has sent me to you .what is your thougth for Jesus using the phase "I AM' to described hiself ?

Trinitarians only pick phrases to support their erroneous doctrine but do you know that what was translated
"I am that i am"
Means
"I will become whatever it takes to achieve my goal"

To the Israelites Jehovah became a helper, a deliverer, provider, protector and so on.

So those who translated the text to "I am that i am" never thought someone will use it to support Trinity they just translated it to the best of their knowledge back then.

What Jesus meant is
"before Abraham i have been existing"

Try to read the same verse in countless versions of the Bible and see the way different translators render those verses instead of allowing trinitarians to manipulate you!

SharonLoveth:
Who said the Lord our God is not One? Are Christians claiming three Gods? Apply sense when typing next time!

StillDtruth:
You already know that jws are devils and this jw is a mad person, so expect this kind of shit.

StillDtruth:
Trinity or no trinitity, you are going to hellfire if you are an enemy of God!

@Kingsempires
You can see what i told you, where were they when you asked the question?
They have nothing to say but when they heard or see one of Jehovah's Witnesses come to help you they will jump in to argue without making any tangible contributions to the topic of discussion.

Try to read their comments but this time think about what they are here to do if not just to disturb the ongoing discussion.

This is what Jesus said about these type of people:
"Woe to you, .......... hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in" Matthew 23:13

They're not ready to learn but they're battle prepared to block others from learning.
If i leave the thread for you and them there is nothing they can contribute other than abuse and curses.

StillDtruth:
Trinity or no trinitity, you are going to hellfire if you are an enemy of God!

don't be angry for my question; islam,Jw,etc are not enemies for God. So is it wrong for the way they believe God ?

MaxInDHouse:
@Kingsempires
You can see what i told you, where were they when you asked the question?
They have nothing to say but when they heard or see one of Jehovah's Witnesses come to help you they will jump in to argue without making any tangible contributions to the topic of discussion.

Try to read their comments but this time think about what they are here to do if not just to disturb the ongoing discussion.

This is what Jesus said about these type of people:
"Woe to you, .......... hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in" Matthew 23:13

They're not ready to learn but they're battle prepared to block others from learning.
If i leave the thread for you and them there is nothing they can contribute other than abuse and curses.

ok another question I want to ask;
In John 6;47-53 when Jesus was saying I'm the bread of life. So have anybody prophet in the bible called his self bread of life that if anyone eat my flesh and drink my blood will not die. If you also read Luke chapter 22;14-23 you will also see when Jesus took the bread and wine and blessed it and said this is my body and also when he bless the wine he also said this is my blood so what did you understand in this verses I have quoted for you

No prophet in the Bible have made such a statement like that before. Jesus is the only one that made those statements

Kingsempires:
ok another question I want to ask;
In John 6;47-53 when Jesus was saying I'm the bread of life. So have anybody prophet in the bible called his self bread of life that if anyone eat my flesh and drink my blood will not die. If you also read Luke chapter 22;14-23 you will also see when Jesus took the bread and wine and blessed it and said this is my body and also when he bless the wine he also said this is my blood so what did you understand in this verses I have quoted for you

No prophet in the Bible have made such a statement like that before. Jesus is the only one that made those statements

You need to know the Hebrew text translated "BREAD" in the Bible means.
It's FOOD and when Jesus said drink his blood he was talking about the source of life as recorded in the Bible book of Genesis 9:3-5

So Jesus is hereby telling us that if we want to continue living forever we need to continue taking instructions from him just as our body needs food daily and blood running in our system!

Kingsempires:
In Christianity, they believe in the Trinity to be God divinity this is the proof from the bible that makes the belief of the Trinity


Isaiah 9;6,col 2:9,1 cor 8;16,2cor13:14, 2cor13;14,joh 10;30,luke1;35,mat 28;19,mat3;16-17,john14;16-17 e.t.c


These chapters and verses I quoted proofs the Trinity of God is Biblical.


But there is also places in the Bible that proof that Yahweh/Jehovah is the one and only God places like;


Isaiah 45;5-12,mark 10:17-18,john; 5:30,john 5;44 Exodus 20;3,deu 4;35, mark 12;29-34, Romans 3;30,1chron 17;20, Psalm 86;10 e.t.c


So this is were it confuses.Is it that the Bible is saying two different things.This is what the Muslims, atheist or some other religions will Said that the Bible is full of contradiction. So my fellow Christian can anyone fully explained the holy Trinity for does who those not really understand about Trinity and why is there difference explanation between this chapters I wrote above.


Please am not against anybody, anybody who have knowledge about this chapters should please explain the way others can understand it

All the chapters and verses you posted are all from the Christian new testament. The only portion of the Tanakh you posted that is Isaiah 9:6 is talking about future king Hezekiah. As the portion says the son has already been given...
Trinity is a Christian ideas and only them has the power to explain it. As I am not. I sign out...

Shalom.

Kingsempires:
ok another question I want to ask;
In John 6;47-53 when Jesus was saying I'm the bread of life. So have anybody prophet in the bible called his self bread of life that if anyone eat my flesh and drink my blood will not die. If you also read Luke chapter 22;14-23 you will also see when Jesus took the bread and wine and blessed it and said this is my body and also when he bless the wine he also said this is my blood so what did you understand in this verses I have quoted for you

No prophet in the Bible have made such a statement like that before. Jesus is the only one that made those statements

That idea was gotten from mithraism and inculcated into the Christian religion.
Cannibalism is forbidden by God in his laws, whether pretend cannibalism or real cannibalism...

Question I asked my self that made me leave Christianity for Good and I have also asked the question here..
You say God is the creator of heaven and earth...right.
How can God be the creator and still be part of creation...does not make any sense.
How can Steve Jobs(may God rest his soul) be the creator of the iPhone and still be part of iPhone or send his son to be part of iPhone?
Does it make sense at all??

There is only one God ,creator of heaven and earth. There is no one in his left, his right hand side in front of him or behind him..He is the lugal dimmer ankia (The divine king of heaven and earth)
The Bible uses the phrase "the sons of God". They are what the yorubas call "ORISHA" They represents the forces of nature. Like Sango in yorubas and Thor in nords which represents the forces of thunder and lightning. They are not God. They are the laws and principles of life,.....shikena

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word to Moses this is what was recorded:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

Not three in one but one!

So what is the meaning of Jesus' statement at Matthew 28:18-20?

Jesus is telling us that after completing his job to lay down his life {John 19:30} God gave him all authority both in heaven and on earth so we can go now to all the nations preaching and teaching them all the things the true God the father of all creations has done for mankind through Jesus' ransom sacrifice and the support we will get through the Holy Spirit.
Not that God is three in one.

@ John 10:30 Jesus explained that himself and his father are one meaning he always comply with his father's opinion and he prayed that the same should be extended to his faithful disciples:

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one" John 17:22 KJV

If his disciples are one with Jesus and God what do you make of that?

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Romans 14:17-18

Where is Trinity here?

You can never ever see the word TRINITY in the Bible neither can you see two persons agree on anything regarding Trinity because it's a lie that's why as many as the supporters of Trinity they can't come up with one doctrine!

The same rhetoric: leave us with our Trinity. Your position is not explicit either.


Proudly, trinitarian, serving the living God that does not go on holiday. There is no shadow of turning in Him.

MaxInDHouse:
Trinitarians only pick phrases to support their erroneous doctrine but do you know that what was translated
"I am that i am"
Means
"I will become whatever it takes to achieve my goal"

To the Israelites Jehovah became a helper, a deliverer, provider, protector and so on.

So those who translated the text to "I am that i am" never thought someone will use it to support Trinity they just translated it to the best of their knowledge back then.

What Jesus meant is
"before Abraham i have been existing"

Try to read the same verse in countless versions of the Bible and see the way different translators render those verses instead of allowing trinitarians to manipulate you!

.

So Jehovah said to become whatever He would as occasion demands? That is the Trinity we talk about.

Kingsempires:
In Christianity, they believe in the Trinity to be God divinity this is the proof from the bible that makes the belief of the Trinity


Isaiah 9;6,col 2:9,1 cor 8;16,2cor13:14, 2cor13;14,joh 10;30,luke1;35,mat 28;19,mat3;16-17,john14;16-17 e.t.c


These chapters and verses I quoted proofs the Trinity of God is Biblical.


But there is also places in the Bible that proof that Yahweh/Jehovah is the one and only God places like;


Isaiah 45;5-12,mark 10:17-18,john; 5:30,john 5;44 Exodus 20;3,deu 4;35, mark 12;29-34, Romans 3;30,1chron 17;20, Psalm 86;10 e.t.c


So this is were it confuses.Is it that the Bible is saying two different things.This is what the Muslims, atheist or some other religions will Said that the Bible is full of contradiction. So my fellow Christian can anyone fully explained the holy Trinity for does who those not really understand about Trinity and why is there difference explanation between this chapters I wrote above.


Please am not against anybody, anybody who have knowledge about this chapters should please explain the way others can understand it

It is not a contradiction. God is one in essence but three in person.
Allah in the Koran wants to be more than one person badly that he keeps using "we" everywhere. Again Muslims do not know the meaning of tawheed they say tawheed mean Allah is only one but tawheed actually means a unification of many things.
In the old testament God use the word "us" to describe himself.
The nation of Israel is called an "He" even though they are made up of many persons.
The word used to describe God's oneness in deuteronomy 6:4 is echad, and echad as used in th bible is a plural unity as against yachad which is singular unity.
When God said Adam and eve would become one flesh the word one is actually the echad which is the plural form of unity.
When the Yahweh went to Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy it, it was reported that Yahweh called down fire from yahweh out of heaven, meaning yahweh on earth called down fire from yahweh in heaven.
There is a particular entity called "The Angel of the Lord" in the old testament, he his God, he speaks as yahweh and at the say time he is distinguished from yahweh.
In Isaiah 48:16, the person taking is God speaking but he distinguished himself from the Lord God and the Spirit.
Note the Spirit is placed on the same personhood with the Lord God but yet the spirit is distinct from the Lord God.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

From this verses it is clear that they are three persons
1. Is the God that is speaking
2. The Lord God that is sending God
3. The spirit of God who is also sending God along with the Lord God.
All three are the same God but different persons.
The Trinity is in the old testament right from Genesis 1.

sonmvayina:
All the chapters and verses you posted are all from the Christian new testament. The only portion of the Tanakh you posted that is Isaiah 9:6 is talking about future king Hezekiah. As the portion says the son has already been given...
Trinity is a Christian ideas and only them has the power to explain it. As I am not. I sign out...

Shalom.

Isa 9:6; a child is born to us ! a son is given to us! and he will be our ruler.he will be called,"wonderful counsel" "MIGHT GOD","ETERNAL FATHER","PRINCE OF PEACE" So how is it now king hezekiah he was talking of. So is it now hezekiah that is called might God ?

MightySparrow:
.So Jehovah said to become whatever He would as occasion demands? That is the Trinity we talk about.

Where were you when he asked questions?

Kingsempires:
Isa 9:6; a child is born to us ! a son is given to us! and he will be our ruler.he will be called,"wonderful counsel" "MIGHT GOD","ETERNAL FATHER","PRINCE OF PEACE" So how is it now king hezekiah he was talking of. So is it now hezekiah that is called might God ?

Yes, those where king Hezekiah names..

As at the time Isaiah was writing, the son has already been given. Hezekiah was like 6 years old at that time...

There is no future terms there...read further you will see that the person being talked about will be a king and will sit on Davids thrown..those doesn't sound like the jman does it?

Always read Bible stories in context...

Where was jman even called those name?

MightySparrow:
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So Jehovah said to become whatever He would as occasion demands? That is the Trinity we talk about.

Do you know what God is?..to begin with. To see that is even possible.

Please I would like to hear from you.

Steep:
It is not a contradiction. God is one in essence but three in person.
Allah in the Koran wants to be more than one person badly that he keeps using "we" everywhere. Again Muslims do not know the meaning of tawheed they say tawheed mean Allah is only one but tawheed actually means a unification of many things.
In the old testament God use the word "us" to describe himself.
The nation of Israel is called an "He" even though they are made up of many persons.
The word used to describe God's oneness in deuteronomy 6:4 is echad, and echad as used in th bible is a plural unity as against yachad which is singular unity.
When God said Adam and eve would become one flesh the word one is actually the echad which is the plural form of unity.
When the Yahweh went to Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy it, it was reported that Yahweh called down fire from yahweh out of heaven, meaning yahweh on earth called down fire from yahweh in heaven.
There is a particular entity called "The Angel of the Lord" in the old testament, he his God, he speaks as yahweh and at the say time he is distinguished from yahweh.
In Isaiah 48:16, the person taking is God speaking but he distinguished himself from the Lord God and the Spirit.
Note the Spirit is placed on the same personhood with the Lord God but yet the spirit is distinct from the Lord God.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

From this verses it is clear that they are three persons
1. Is the God that is speaking
2. The Lord God that is sending God
3. The spirit of God who is also sending God along with the Lord God.
All three are the same God but different persons.
The Trinity is in the old testament right from Genesis 1.

Bullshit..

Isaiah is the one writing and talking.
God sent him with a new spirit to become his prophet.....
God is not a man. Isaiah was consulting the Oracle....


Stop manipulating..