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To add to what you already said,

I don’t PERSONALLY know anyone that works 2 much less 3 jobs. I know it’s a very common saying on NL but the people I know have one job and it’s enough.

But then again I have to put in a disclaimer that things can be different from state to state. Some states are notorious to be low wage states hence it’s possible the two-three job phenomenon might be more prevalent in their areas. I stand to be corrected on that.

Just saying it’s not the norm they’ve made it out to be on this forum. People still have a life from my probably limited observation.

megastu:
Answer the question asked. How can you have 8 houses in Nigeria and living in one room and you think you are better than the ones who live in
4-bedroom houses with enough space for their kids to live and breathe well and do two or more jobs to sustain the kind of life they want for themselves and their kids.

You guys will just be opening mouth waa without knowing people's circumstances.

cococandy:
Nope. He mentioned gender because he thinks he knows better than I do. Simply because he (like others) believe they are more intelligent than women just based on gender alone. That was meant to be condescending.

As condescending as it sounds, well, it is the truth. Many adult males will eventually return to Nigeria at a later date.

But moving on, I get having a couple of houses for personal/family use. Or multiple houses (like he said he does) for investment purposes to generate revenue. But if he’s not earning enough from the investment to be comfortable. Enough to separate his living room from his bedroom at the minimum, was it worth it?

It is part of the moving back to Nigeria I mentioned else there is no economic basis for owning plenty of landed properties in Nigeria when the ROI dwarfs the replicas in the US. But when persons believe in returning to Nigeria at a later date, they rather own such in Nigeria. Their choice anyway. He, just like many Nigerian males in the abroad, does not see Canada (the US might be different) as "home". We have tales of migrants who work abroad, save to build houses in their home countries.

cococandy:
To add to what you already said,

I don’t PERSONALLY know anyone that works 2 much less 3 jobs. I know it’s a very common saying on NL but the people I know have one job and it’s enough.

But then again I have to put in a disclaimer that things can be different from state to state. Some states are notorious to be low wage states hence it’s possible the two-three job phenomenon might be more prevalent in their areas. I stand to be corrected on that.

Just saying it’s not the norm they’ve made it out to be on this forum. People still have a life from my probably limited observation.

I have got some couple of friends that work 2-3jobs, mainly IT jobs and most of these roles involves doing zoom meetings in different time zones. It's very hectic, I am still battling with a single job, having 2 will be the end of my working career.

Even if I see somewhere as home, owning 8 houses or only 2 doesn’t make it more or less my home. It’s entirely up to the individual. I (we) have properties back home as well so I’m not against that.

I do have a problem with not spending the revenue that owning multiple properties generates on oneself.

But like you said, choices I guess .

Gerrard59:
As condescending as it sounds, well, it is the truth. Many adult males will eventually return to Nigeria at a later date.


It is part of the moving back to Nigeria I mentioned else there is no economic basis for owning plenty of landed properties in Nigeria when the ROI dwarfs the replicas in the US. But when persons believe in returning to Nigeria at a later date, they rather own such in Nigeria. Their choice anyway. He, just like many Nigerian males in the abroad, does not see Canada (the US might be different) as "home". We have tales of migrants who work abroad, save to build houses in their home countries.

AirBay:
I have got some couple of friends that work 2-3jobs, mainly IT jobs and most of these roles involves doing zoom meetings in different time zones. It's very hectic, I am still battling with a single job, having 2 will be the end of my working career.

Interesting

Pls do what feels comfortable for you

AirBay:
I have got some couple of friends that work 2-3jobs, mainly IT jobs and most of these roles involves doing zoom meetings in different time zones. It's very hectic, I am still battling with a single job, having 2 will be the end of my working career.

That is the norm, I have It guys earning about $15grand a months working 3 jobs at home. Those are not blue collar menial jobs though.

IbeOkehie:
There's NOTHING in his story that makes sense. I can point to a DOZEN guys in the USA who started 20 to 30 years ago as taxi drivers and cooks and retail clerks who have moved on and up to higher income jobs and entrepreneurship.

I know a taxi driver who entered pharmacy school in his 40s and today owns a pharmacy store in California. Yes some of them are still in those lower skill jobs today, but they're a small minority. That's FACT.

I know another taxi driver...that's all he did after coming to the USA in the 1970s. His wife is or was a nurse in Maryland. Both are now retired. They produced 4 children...lawyer, nurse, doctor and a manager in the professional sports. There's plenty grand children from good marriages. By the way, Maryland has some of the most toxic Nigerian communities...Texas is the worst....yet they still did OK in a long term, generational way. What is your take on that?

How can you take a look at a group of lower working class Nigerians in an Anglo-Western nation and just assume that's the end of their economic journey Which kind of STUPIDITY is that? These people have no plans, they're not aware of the economy around them or what? In fact it's in Nigeria that such economic stagnation is more LIKELY to happen and that's why so many are choosing to migrate away to Europe and North America! It's common sense but people just come on here and pretend they're ignorant or something 😒

@Lionize, you are the one making sense. The basic thing a Nigerian needs to do in North America is buy a home. I have illustrated the importance of this on at least one thread. And also get life insurance.

Once that is done life is set, upgrade skills if possible, just live reasonably and you will be fine, most will make it to the USA median household income of $65K and that will likely provide a better family HDI than 99% of Nigerian residents will ever attain.

If a person decides to take risks, they may end up with outsize rewards, but as long as the risk is commensurate with your status, they will be OK even if the venture fails. And the next generation can carry on with inherited capital and lessons learned.

Thanks.

Good Luck to Nigerians

I guess you just read the opening phrase of my comment and didn't bother to continue.

I extracted the below from his write=up, and till tomorrow, makes sense to me.
do not live above your means

Even the low-paying jobs, with great planning, and consistency, one can make a great future out of it. People make equivalent of about 3-4k monthly in Europe doing multiple delivery jobs.

i hate it when Nigerians carry Nigerian mentality abroad. Because you are privileged to get a good paying 9-5 job does not make you better than another, so long as you don't pay the person's bills. And, like you said, abroad is a land of unlimited growth opportunities compared to Nigeria.

Lionize:
I guess you just read the opening phrase of my comment and didn't bother to continue.

I extracted the below from his write=up, and till tomorrow, makes sense to me.
do not live above your means

Even the low-paying jobs, with great planning, and consistency, one can make a great future out of it. People make equivalent of about 3-4k monthly in Europe doing multiple delivery jobs.

i hate it when Nigerians carry Nigerian mentality abroad. Because you are privileged to get a good paying 9-5 job does not make you better than another, so long as you don't pay the person's bills. And, like you said, abroad is a land of unlimited growth opportunities compared to Nigeria.

He specified a group of Nigerians he observed at work and tagged them as people living above their means because they were desperate enough to work in freezing temperature.

He shouldn't have made that assumption....they might have been living below their means AND working extra to save up even more money.

His post is STUPID.

Good Luck to Nigerians

IbeOkehie:
He specified a group of Nigerians he observed at work and tagged them as people living above their means because they were desperate enough to work in freezing temperature.

He shouldn't have made that assumption....they might have been living below their means AND working extra to save up even more money.

His post is STUPID.

Good Luck to Nigerians

You are a typical Nigerian Dede, always rushing to sling insults and abuses, loud, uncouth, and rambunctious. You do not have to read or comment and last time I checked, it is a free world where you are free to post whatever the hell you want.

Why convulse, foam in the mouth, and drop Spittles all over your well-polished shoes over a harmless post? Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why take it personally? The topic clearly says " my observations"
You take yourself too seriously Nwanne and I perfectly expect an abusive response which is fine by me.

Lionize:
I guess you just read the opening phrase of my comment and didn't bother to continue.

I extracted the below from his write=up, and till tomorrow, makes sense to me.
do not live above your means

Even the low-paying jobs, with great planning, and consistency, one can make a great future out of it. People make equivalent of about 3-4k monthly in Europe doing multiple delivery jobs.

i hate it when Nigerians carry Nigerian mentality abroad. Because you are privileged to get a good paying 9-5 job does not make you better than another, so long as you don't pay the person's bills. And, like you said, abroad is a land of unlimited growth opportunities compared to Nigeria.

I have actually seen people making good money from low-paying jobs with the addition of overtime.

Sapasenator:
You are a typical Nigerian Dede, always rushing to sling insults and abuses, loud, uncouth, and rambunctious. You do not have to read or comment and last time I checked, it is a free world where you are free to post whatever the hell you want.

Why convulse, foam in the mouth, and drop Spittles all over your well-polished shoes over a harmless post? Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why take it personally? The topic clearly says " my observations"
You take yourself too seriously Nwanne and I perfectly expect an abusive response which is fine by me.

You're hiding behind the internet to denigrate hard working Nigerian migrants. I strongly identify with their situation. Your comment is useless.

Oga stop looking down on hard working folks. When you get back to Nigeria you can abuse the poor people there.

Good Luck to Nigerians!

IbeOkehie:
You're hiding behind the internet to denigrate hard working Nigerian migrants. I strongly identify with their situation. Your comment was useless.

Oga stop looking down on hard working folks. When you get back to Nigeria you can abuse the poor people there.

Good Luck to Nigerians!

What next?

Sapasenator:
I wont drag with him. I know the secret of most people because I was in the banking sector abroad as a financial planner for years and I see the secret of everyone.

I had a Nigerian lady walk up to me in my office wearing Gucci hat, clothes , glasses, shoes and she looked very expensive.

Account na negative and constant overdraft.

I make good money abroad but I realize I can make more in Nigeria. I will be exploring moving to Naija on a part time basis soon. Enjoyment and life full for Naija.

You did things against the ethics of your job and you are here talking about it full chested. Why monitor the Financials of your clients?

Wsx2:
My brother better leave Nigerians alone, they are difficult to advice. Plan your life wisely, time will tell. I left 8 houses back in nigeria , 3 cars. I got here in canada and had to adjust immediately. I live in 1 room here and never drive a finance car, this is a different society. Just because they gave them credit opportunities, they will go all out to put themselves in debt they can’t get out of just to show off on social media and impress gullible people back home. They are broke.

If you try to advice them they will shut you off and say they only live once, they never for once think they can live longer. They don’t even think.

Plan ya life bro

Oga, live your life the way you want and allow others do the same. You are not the monopoly of advice.

Lionize:
I guess you just read the opening phrase of my comment and didn't bother to continue.

I extracted the below from his write=up, and till tomorrow, makes sense to me.
do not live above your means

Even the low-paying jobs, with great planning, and consistency, one can make a great future out of it. People make equivalent of about 3-4k monthly in Europe doing multiple delivery jobs.

i hate it when Nigerians carry Nigerian mentality abroad. Because you are privileged to get a good paying 9-5 job does not make you better than another, so long as you don't pay the person's bills. And, like you said, abroad is a land of unlimited growth opportunities compared to Nigeria.

What mentality do you carry when you think yourself as an authority over someone else's life and choices?

IbeOkehie:
He specified a group of Nigerians he observed at work and tagged them as people living above their means because they were desperate enough to work in freezing temperature.

He shouldn't have made that assumption....they might have been living below their means AND working extra to save up even more money.

His post is STUPID.

Good Luck to Nigerians

Perhaps I was misunderstood. I did not agree to him tagging them "living above their means", I only agreed to the phrase universally. Of course he cannot, just by seeing them working, adjudge them as 'living above their means'.

GboyegaD:
What mentality do you carry when you think yourself as an authority over someone else's life and choices?

As what na? It is only a fool that will "live above his means", he will end up a thief, no matter who he is.

Sapasenator:
I have actually seen people making good money from low-paying jobs with the addition of overtime.

I asserted same in my subsequent analysis. I agree with you 100% In some parts of Europe, some people sign up to 3 or 4 delivery companies and they go home with about 4-5k usd equivalent monthly. No job is lowly, so long as it pays your bills.

IbeOkehie:
That's when it dawned on me why Nigerian upper class people hate the USA so much. God Bless the Anglo-Saxons....and

Good Luck to Nigeria.

why?

We4all:
You fault his sample size and still had the audacity to talk about a few insignificant buddies who are either on vacation or planning to go on tours. The OP is very right about his assertion. Many Nigerians abroad who migrated for greener pastures are on this boat. They work overtime, hold up 3 jobs, just to keep up with the Joneses. This is not even something to argue about.

now you are making the same mistake both the person u quoted and the person he quoted made


until there is a proper statistical and empirical study into the subject matter, everything is all speculation

IbeOkehie:
LOL, there's choices in life OK? Some of these self imposed privations are what economists have recognized as a key principle of capital formation and wealth generation. It's ubiquitous in economic theory.

D E L A Y E D G R A T I F I C A T I O N.

A very important determinant of the wisdom of delayed gratification lies in the current status of the market participant AND the time horizon for producing results.

The son or daughter of rich parents or even middle class parents will not need to delay gratification. This is why 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation middle and upper middle class citizens of the USA are so consumption oriented. They don't NEED to postpone any enjoyment. These people inherit paid off homes, stock portfolios and such. When buying houses parents gift them the down payment. This isn't something I've HEARD, I know it because I've been told first hand.

For the scions of such families the idea of anyone paying rent is strange. It's like an Igbo man living and working in his hometown and paying RENT when there's many empty building built over generations sitting empty. In short, inherited assets is a thing and that's why SOME people curb their spending.

One of the major reasons for the mass poverty that bedevils Nigeria is the unwillingness of the public to prioritize investment and delay gratification. The average Nigerian wants every possible enjoyment NOW. It's their way.

Anyone starting their economic journey from a poor family in the USA is well advised to engage in well planned delayed gratification. It pays off in the long run.

Shift work is one of such sacrifices. I personally worked with nurses, pharmacists and doctors of all races, including Whites, who did only 7 day on 7day off overnight night shifts for 10 to 20 years, while their spouse worked during the day so they didn't have to spend huge amounts on day care. I myself did overnights for 10 years and it enabled me hold 1 or 2 other jobs. It helped me a lot, no regrets.

As if anyone fell from the sky with bags of money and assets. Someone at some point had to make sacrifices to secure the working capital for advancement. One thing I did learn living in Houston is that most Nigerians in the upper middle class in the USA come from fairly wealthy backgrounds in Nigeria. Very few are self made so it's understandable how they breezily talk about living high on the hog. I remember at a party in Houston mentioning that I paid my way through University in America, working odd jobs and no loan.

The group I was talking to FROZE...one even said that such delayed gratification is impossible. Exact words were... how is that even possible... Of course...Daddy & Mummy paid their own university fees from Nigeria. Seriously, it was a revelatory moment even though I went to university with some of these people, I never thought much about it till that very moment.

That's when it dawned on me why Nigerian upper class people hate the USA so much. God Bless the Anglo-Saxons....and

Good Luck to Nigeria.

This man

RodgersAkpafu:
This man

Is there a problem? Wetin now?

Good Luck to Nigerians.