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Islam seems to accept the virgin birth of Jesus, his miracles but not his words. They also seem to accept the old testaments except prophesies about Jesus' mission (e.g. Isaiah, Zachariah, Daniel etc.

Isn't this selective truth?

What is your take on this?

@Op The Muslims testify of his immaculate conception and miracles and the Quran advocates us to reverenced and show obeisance to him and rest of the Prophets, Jesus is still a Paragon of virtue in Islam and the Muslims follow his footsteps and the good news he brought which is MONOTHEISM from his LORD, hence Jesus was God's sent and someone who bow to the will of his Lord we expect his true followers to do the same. This is Jesus from the Islamic perspective and if i may ask who is Jesus according to you or your beliefs.

WHξξ∟s:
@Op The Muslims testify of his immaculate conception and miracles and the Quran advocates us to reverenced and show obeisance to him and rest of the Prophets, Jesus is still a Paragon of virtue in Islam and the Muslims follow his footsteps and the good news he brought which is MONOTHEISM from his LORD, hence Jesus was God's sent and someone who bow to the will of his Lord we expect his true followers to do the same. This is Jesus from the Islamic perspective and if i may ask who is Jesus according to you or your beliefs.

Exactly!

WHees:
@Op The Muslims testify of his immaculate conception and miracles and the Quran advocates us to reverenced and show obeisance to him and rest of the Prophets, Jesus is still a Paragon of virtue in Islam and the Muslims follow his footsteps and the good news he brought which is MONOTHEISM from his LORD, hence Jesus was God's sent and someone who bow to the will of his Lord we expect his true followers to do the same. This is Jesus from the Islamic perspective and if i may ask who is Jesus according to you or your beliefs.

Lol. While Mohammad muddled up the name and called him Isa, like he muddled up several names and events? It's even in the Bible that people can find the sequence of the Jewish history because Mohammad the pedophile has muddled up everything in Qur'an.

Meanwhile, it was stated that the Messiah shall bear God's name. The Hebrew names for God is Yahweh and El (Elyon, Elohim, Eloah).

There's no way Jesus name is Isa. It's Yeshu from Yahweh. It's even understandable in Yoruba which is Ìyè which means Alive. Funnily, it was also stated that Jacob descendants shall bear his name. When I look at Yoruba's name at times, it's mysteriously funny. Look at

Yoruba = Omoluabi & Lucumi. Ìyè and Olorun, Oluwa📌
Yacob (Jacob) & Yehudah = Isra-el. Yahweh and El (Elyon, Elowah etc)📌

Yoruba, Omoluabi are Yoruba names.

Yoruba means "the headking". While Olukunmi means "the lord filled me"

Also, I do know Yoruba tend to use J for Y at times. For example, "it shall be" in Yoruba is "Ye ki owa" or "Yoowa" however, it's also called "Je ki owa" at times 😅

Funnily, another name of the Yoruba apart from Omoluabi is "iseri- Imọlẹ" which the Awori often bears. I look at Iṣeri-Imọlẹ and Isra-el. Just look at the similarities. Isra may be understandable in Yoruba as iṣeri, isera. Iṣe-ri-imole means head of victorylight while Isera means Purity. Isera - means Purity (Righteousness).

Whenever I see all these similarities, I just laugh tbh Because it's always quite surprising and funny. It doesn't even surprise me anymore. Even the names of the supreme creator is similar 😅 Yoruba names of the supreme creator is Olodumare (Eledumare), Olorun, Oluwa, Olohun, Ìyè ayeraye. These are similar to El, Elyon, Eloah/Elowah Elohim, Yahweh.

There's also the Yoruba tradition of making the second born of the twins the (akobi) the elder of the twins just like the case of Jacob 😅

Anyways, my point is, it was always stated that the Messiah shall bear the names of God. The Hebrew names for God is Yahweh and El. So there's no way the name is Isa. Btw, Yoruba also had a Messiah born of a virgin woman sent to them. "Ela" was also born of a Virgin woman (oyigi). He died and also resurrected and ascended.

According to Yoruba religion, the begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) is the visible manifestation of Olodumare who's a spirit.

IbnTimothy:
Islam seems to accept the virgin birth of Jesus, his miracles but not his words. They also seem to accept the old testaments except prophesies about Jesus' mission (e.g. Isaiah, Zachariah, Daniel etc.

Isn't this selective truth?

What is your take on this?

They even accept He is the Messiah but gave the term Messiah their own meaning.

Can you give your own meaning to a word you did not create? Fraud!

FxMasterz:
They even accept He is the Messiah but gave the term Messiah their own meaning.

Can you give your own meaning to a word you did not create? Fraud!

Of course, there's no way the Messiah name is Isa.

Mohammad just muddled up everything in Quran, even as the Jewish history had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering Jacob and Jacob descendants are not Mohammad's ancestors. But since he had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors, he had to write the Jewish history but then, why muddle up the names and events of the Jewish history? Meanwhile, There's no even the sequence of events in Quran. It's just too muddled up. Not to mention the nonsense 72 virgins and the fact that he's a pedophile.

Anyways, there's no way the name of the Messiah is Isa.

It's stated that the Messiah shall bear the name of God. The Hebrew names for God is Yahweh and El (Elyon, Elohim, Eloah/Elowah). That's why Jacob's names are Yacob (Jacob) and Isra-el. It was also stated that Jacob and Jacob's descendants shall bear the name. Hence,

Yehudah/Yacob (Judea/Jacob) = Israel.

FxMasterz:
They even accept He is the Messiah but gave the term Messiah their own meaning.

Can you give your own meaning to a word you did not create? Fraud!

"A word you did not create?"
What is that supposed to mean?

And what is the correct meaning of Messiah?

Dsimmer:
Lol. While Mohammad muddled up the name and called him Isa, like he muddled up several names and events? It's even in the Bible that people can find the sequence of the Jewish history because Mohammad the pedophile has muddled up everything in Qur'an.

Meanwhile, it was stated that the Messiah shall bear God's name. The Hebrew names for God is Yahweh and El (Elyon, Elohim, Eloah).

There's no way Jesus name is Isa. It's Yeshu from Yahweh. It's even understandable in Yoruba which is Ìyè which means Alive. Funnily, it was also stated that Jacob descendants shall bear his name. When I look at Yoruba's name at times, it's mysteriously funny. Look at

Yoruba = Omoluabi & Lucumi. Ìyè and Olorun, Oluwa📌
Yacob (Jacob) & Yehudah = Isra-el. Yahweh and El (Elyon, Elowah etc)📌

Yoruba, Omoluabi are Yoruba names.

Yoruba means "the headking". While Olukunmi means "the lord filled me"

Also, I do know Yoruba tend to use J for Y at times. For example, "it shall be" in Yoruba is "Ye ki owa" or "Yoowa" however, it's also called "Je ki owa" at times 😅

Funnily, another name of the Yoruba apart from Omoluabi is "iseri- Imọlẹ" which the Awori often bears. I look at Iṣeri-Imọlẹ and Isra-el. Just look at the similarities. Isra may be understandable in Yoruba as iṣeri, isera. Iṣe-ri-imole means head of victorylight while Isera means Purity. Isera - means Purity (Righteousness).

Whenever I see all these similarities, I just laugh tbh Because it's always quite surprising and funny. It doesn't even surprise me anymore. Even the names of the supreme creator is similar 😅 Yoruba names of the supreme creator is Olodumare (Eledumare), Olorun, Oluwa, Olohun, Ìyè ayeraye. These are similar to El, Elyon, Eloah/Elowah Elohim, Yahweh.

There's also the Yoruba tradition of making the second born of the twins the (akobi) the elder of the twins just like the case of Jacob 😅

Anyways, my point is, it was always stated that the Messiah shall bear the names of God. The Hebrew names for God is Yahweh and El. So there's no way the name is Isa. Btw, Yoruba also had a Messiah born of a virgin woman sent to them. "Ela" was also born of a Virgin woman (oyigi). He died and also resurrected and ascended.

According to Yoruba religion, the begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) is the visible manifestation of Olodumare who's a spirit.

It's actually funny how Mohammad came to muddle up everything after 1000 yrs. First, it wasn't his history to begin with but the Jewish history, added with the fact that he came after several centuries years to muddle up everything. Not to mention the fact that he's a pedophile.

Qasim6:
"A word you did not create?"
What is that supposed to mean?

And what is the correct meaning of Messiah?

The One who is anointed to save.

Dsimmer:
Of course, there's no way the Messiah name is Isa.

Mohammad just muddled up everything in Quran, even as the Jewish history had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering Jacob and Jacob descendants are not Mohammad's ancestors. But since he had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors, he had to write the Jewish history but then, why muddle up the names and events of the Jewish history? Meanwhile, There's no even the sequence of events in Quran. It's just too muddled up. Not to mention the nonsense 72 virgins and the fact that he's a pedophile.

Anyways, there's no way the name of the Messiah is Isa.

It's stated that the Messiah shall bear the name of God. The Hebrew names for God is Yahweh and El (Elyon, Elohim, Eloah/Elowah). That's why Jacob's names are Yacob (Jacob) and Isra-el. It was also stated that Jacob and Jacob's descendants shall bear the name. Hence,

Yehudah/Yacob (Judea/Jacob) = Israel.

I don't know why Muslims can't see all the flaws. The man muddled up Jewish history so much that he stated that Mariam the sister of Aaron was Jesus' mother. He thought Mariam and Mary were the same person, not knowing that Mariam lived more than 3000 yrs before Mary begat Jesus. Muslims see this error and look away and still hold on to the false book as the true Word of God by a supposed angel.

FxMasterz:
The One who is anointed to save.

And you think an Arab is not likely to know the meaning of Messiah?

Do you realise Hebrew and Arabic are somehow similar?

Messiah simply means anointed in both languages.

What you can argue is Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save. Messiah does not mean anointed to save.

Hebrew and Arabic have a common root, the reason why you will find some of their words to be similar.

Shalom - Salam - peace
Ebed - Abd - Slave/Servant
Elah - Allah - God
Messiah - Masih - anointed

Qasim6:
And you think an Arab is not likely to know the meaning of Messiah?

Do you realise Hebrew and Arabic are somehow similar?

Messiah simply means anointed in both languages.

What you can argue is Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save. Messiah does not mean anointed to save.

Hebrew and Arabic have a common root, the reason why you will find some of their words to be similar.

Shalom - Salam - peace
Ebed - Abd - Slave/Servant
Elah - Allah - God
Messiah - Masih - anointed

Give us the site or page you get this your definition from.

I went through Wikipedia, Britannica even Arabia dictionary, they used words like Liberator, Deliver, anointed king, savior of a group of people

RightChannel:
Give us the site or page you get this your definition from.

I went through Wikipedia, Britannica even Arabia dictionary, they used words like Liberator, Deliver, anointed king, savior of a group of people

What exactly were u looking for on Wikipedia, Britannica and Arabia dictionary?

Qasim6:
And you think an Arab is not likely to know the meaning of Messiah?

Do you realise Hebrew and Arabic are somehow similar?

Messiah simply means anointed in both languages.

What you can argue is Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save. Messiah does not mean anointed to save.

Hebrew and Arabic have a common root, the reason why you will find some of their words to be similar.

Shalom - Salam - peace
Ebed - Abd - Slave/Servant
Elah - Allah - God
Messiah - Masih - anointed

Even the name 'Jesus' means God is Salvation. The anointing is always for a purpose. The Anointing One to Save is the Messiah.

One of your fellow Muslims here once told me that Messiah means something different in Islam after we disputed about it sometimes ago. You know, you Muslims would deny and lie if you see that you're cornered. Probably, that's what your brother did. Now, you're telling me it means the same thing.

Qasim6:
What exactly were u looking for on Wikipedia, Britannica and Arabia dictionary?

You got this from:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_(name)#:~:text=Masih%20(Arabic%3A%20%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD%2C%20romanized,%2C%20meaning%20%22anointed%20one%22.


Take a look at this from the same website

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah#:~:text=al%2DMas%C4%AB%E1%B8%A5%20(Arabic%3A%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD,both%20Arab%20Christians%20and%20Muslims.

It says Liberator or Saviour of a group of people! Even Britannica said the same thing

Qasim6:
What exactly were u looking for on Wikipedia, Britannica and Arabia dictionary?

Wobi, many people are bearing masih as you could see from the one you shown but no one is bearing Messiah except Jesus Christ. What you'll do is to search for the meaning of Messiah and not Masih

RightChannel:
You got this from:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_(name)#:~:text=Masih%20(Arabic%3A%20%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD%2C%20romanized,%2C%20meaning%20%22anointed%20one%22.


Take a look at this from the same website

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah#:~:text=al%2DMas%C4%AB%E1%B8%A5%20(Arabic%3A%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AD,both%20Arab%20Christians%20and%20Muslims.

It says Liberator or Saviour of a group of people! Even Britannica said the same thing

The mission of a Messiah might be to liberate or to save some group of people. But the literal meaning of the term is "the anointed".

The reason why I said what he can argue is that Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save but not that an Arab does not know the meaning of Messiah.

While the Jews believe that mission of the Messiah is to unite all Jews in Israel, bring universal peace and annunciation of a world to come.

The Christains believe the Messiah in his first coming is to save humanity by dieing for their Sins and come with a host of heaven in his second coming to establish a kingdom on earth.

Muslims believe his mission in his first coming is to guide the children of Israel and make lawful to them some of the things that were unlawful, and bring peace to the world by killing a certain Anti-christ in his second coming.

AntiisIam:
Wobi, many people are bearing masih as you could see from the one you shown but [b]no one is bearing Messiah except Jesus Christ. What you'll do is to search for the meaning of Messiah and not Masih

Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the Lord to Cyrus, his MESSIAH, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut

Qasim6:
And you think an Arab is not likely to know the meaning of Messiah?

Do you realise Hebrew and Arabic are somehow similar?

Messiah simply means anointed in both languages.

What you can argue is Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save. Messiah does not mean anointed to save.

Hebrew and Arabic have a common root, the reason why you will find some of their words to be similar.

Shalom - Salam - peace
Ebed - Abd - Slave/Servant
Elah - Allah - God
Messiah - Masih - anointed

Elah is not Allah. Elah has no double LL. Sink that into your brain for a start. Just like Isa isn't Jesus name. It's Yeshu (Jesus) from Yahweh.

Also the supreme creator, Olodumare (Eledumare) has a begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) who's the visible manifestation of himself. As a matter of fact, What Olodumare (Eledumare) expects from humans is integrity/righteousness and also making use of their intelligent creativity to invent and improve their community for the better, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world📌

Dsimmer:
Elah is not Allah. Elah has no double LL. Sink that into your brain for a start. Just like Isa isn't Jesus name. It's Yeshu (Jesus) from Yahweh.

Also the supreme creator has a begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) who's the visible manifestation of himself. As a matter of fact, What Olodumare (Eledumare) expects from humans is integrity/righteousness and also making use of their intelligent creativity to improve their community for the better, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world📌

Alright. I don hear you.

Qasim6:
Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the Lord to Cyrus, his MESSIAH, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut

Nibo la tun jasi bayii lowo awon eru-iku allah oo..

So who is the Messiah here? Hope you won't say Cyrus


I won't expose you yet for inserting the word Messiah just to suit your gullibility and stupidity but I want you to answer the question first before disgracing you

NOTE: I stand by it that you will never see anyone bearing MESSIAH except Jesus Christ

Qasim6:
The mission of a Messiah might be to liberate or to save some group of people. But the literal meaning of the term is "the anointed".

The reason why I said what he can argue is that Jesus mission as a Messiah is to save but not that an Arab does not know the meaning of Messiah.

While the Jews believe that mission of the Messiah is to unite all Jews in Israel, bring universal peace and annunciation of a world to come.

The Christains believe the Messiah in his first coming is to save humanity by dieing for their Sins and come with a host of heaven in his second coming to establish a kingdom on earth.

Muslims believe his mission in his first coming is to guide the children of Israel and make lawful to them some of the things that were unlawful, and bring peace to the world by killing a certain Anti-christ in his second coming.

The reason why Jesus Christ is the only MESSIAH and the reason why Messiah means Saviour was the work he accomplished by saving humanity from the bondage of sins. He surrendered himself to be crucified and resurrected so that we can inherit eternal life after death

RightChannel:
The reason why Jesus Christ is the only MESSIAH and the reason why Messiah means Saviour was the work he accomplished by saving humanity from the bondage of sins. He surrendered himself to be crucified and resurrected so that we can inherit eternal life after death

No problem.

I don hear you, that's Christianity understanding of his mission.

AntiisIam:
Nibo la tun jasi bayii lowo awon eru-iku allah oo..

So who is the Messiah here? Hope you won't say Cyrus


I won't expose you yet for inserting the word Messiah just to suit your gullibility and stupidity but I want you to answer the question first before disgracing you

NOTE: I stand by it that you will never see anyone bearing MESSIAH except Jesus Christ

Ibi ti o ba wun e ko jasi, u fit jasi koto sef.
If that passage is not clear enough for you to see the Messiah there is Cyrus, maybe u should start attending English classes.

You want to expose me? Na bro, u'll only expose your ignorance here.

That fact that the word Messiah has been translated to anointed does not mean it can't be translate back to Messiah.

Attached is the translation of the Hebrew word used in that passage.

Qasim6:
Alright. I don hear you.

As long as you know. Elah isn't Allah and has no double LL.

In fact according to Yoruba religion, Ela is the begotten child (Omoloju Olodumare) which is the visible manifestation of Olodumare (Eledumare)📌 Ela was revealed to the world and was born of a virgin woman (Oyigi) 📌

As a matter of fact, the supreme creator, Olodumare (Ìyè Ayeraye) isn't asking for Pedophilia and terrorism like the depraved Arab pedophile Mohammad did but rather, what Olodumare expect is integrity/righteousness and also making use of one's intelligent creativity to improve, invent and civilize one's community for the better, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world 💥

Also note that Yoruba aren't slaves to any Arab Allah. Yoruba are freeborn (Omoluabi), not slaves! Let alone to any foreign Arab deity called Allah.

As a matter of fact, Mohammad was a depraved Pedophilic Arab terrorist man who muddled up the Jewish history which had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering Jacob and Jacob descendants are not his ancestors! He had to write about the Jewish history because he had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors but why muddle up the names and events of the Jewish history?

Don't even let me get started about his perverted 72 Virgin nonsense.

Dsimmer:
As long as you know. Elah has no double LL.

Also, the supreme creator, Olodumare (Eledumare) isn't asking for Pedophilia and terrorism like the depraved Arab pedophile Mohammad did but rather, what Olodumare expect is integrity/righteousness and also making use of one's intelligent creativity to improve one's community for the better, just like his visible manifestation had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world.

Also note that Yoruba aren't slaves to any Arab Allah. Yoruba are freeborn (Omoluabi), not slaves! Let alone to any foreign Arab deity called Allah.

As a matter of fact, Mohammad was a depraved Pedophilic Arab terrorist man who muddled up the Jewish history which had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering Jacob and Jacob descendants are not his ancestors! Granted he had to write about the Jewish history because he had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors but then again, why muddle up the names and events of the Jewish history?

Don't even let me get started about the 72 Virgin nonsense.

Alright Sir.

Qasim6:
Ibi ti o ba wun e ko jasi, u fit jasi koto sef.
If that passage is not clear enough for you to see the Messiah there is Cyrus, maybe u should start attending English classes.

You want to expose me? Na bro, u'll only expose your ignorance here.

That fact that the word Messiah has been translated to anointed does not mean it can't be translated back to Messiah.

Attached is the translation of the Hebrew word used in that passage.

Eru-iku allahu, well sha Quran 46:9 ti pari oro bi igbesi aiye e se ma ri for following Muhammad the clueless pedophile messenger of allah.

Mo fe bo e ni asiri ni tele but o ti fi ye mi wipe ki oniro pataki aiye ati orun ni e and I'm ready now to expose you

This is your own Isaiah 45:1

Qasim6:
Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the Lord to Cyrus, his MESSIAH, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut

You inserted the word MESSIAH to suit your stupidity. This is Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm

Where is the word MESSIAH therein? Bobo wait shey if you don't lie in a day for allah and Muhammad, you will run mad and die abi

AntiisIam:
Eru-iku allahu, well sha Quran 46:9 ti pari oro bi igbesi aiye e se ma ri for following Muhammad the clueless pedophile messenger of allah.

Mo fe bo e ni asiri ni tele but o ti fi ye mi wipe ki oniro pataki aiye ati orun ni e and I'm ready now to expose you

This is your own Isaiah 45:1



You inserted the word MESSIAH to suit your stupidity. This is Isaiah 45:1

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm

Where is the word MESSIAH therein? Bobo wait shey if you don't lie in a day for allah and Muhammad, you will run mad and die abi

Wetin u think the word translated as anointed in that verse be in Hebrew?

U daft gan.

Qasim6:
Wetin u think the word translated as anointed in that verse be in Hebrew?

U daft gan.

Abirun, but what you pasted there is not Hebrew rather English language.. O se wa dense bayii

Where is the word Messiah in the verse, why inserting your own word (MESSIAH) just to suit your stupidity odeh?

AntiisIam:
Abirun, but what you pasted there is not Hebrew rather English language.. O se wa dense bayii

Where is the word Messiah in the verse, why inserting your own word (MESSIAH) just to suit your stupidity odeh?

Oponu ni e

Messiah is not really an English word.
The Messiah there has been translated to anointed.

Qasim6:
Oponu ni e

Messiah is not really an English word.
The Messiah there has been translated to anointed.

Let me expose you further Eleribu

This is anointed in Hebrew לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮

This is Messiah in Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ

Shey won jor ara won dindinrin?


Click on below link to see Isaiah 45:1 in Hebrew

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm#lexicon

AntiisIam:
Let me expose you further Eleribu

This is anointed in Hebrew לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮

This is Messiah in Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ

Shey won jor ara won dindinrin?


Click on below link to see Isaiah 45:1 in Hebrew

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-1.htm#lexicon

O ti daft ju

Engaging you is a waste of time.

לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮ this mean 'to his Messiah' while

מָשִׁיחַ this is just Messiah

Afofun gbemu