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Dying for many holds a lot of uncertainty; and a lot is left to guesses, assumptions and belief. Do we really "die" and is God going to burn people up?

This uncertainty as you must have seen happens to be an open invitation for many to rule the heads of many often through fear. Fear causes one to quickly 'lose guard' and leads to a submission...

These uncertainties are not necessary because man himself by default has the capability to extend his consciousness or awareness to those parts of himself which doubles as God or Heaven to see and experience heaven here and now and report to his fellow folks in the village about where their deceased uncle is and what he is doing or thinks. Heaven is not far off, its here and now all the while, and its not every religion that wants people to find about this because it will "cast" as we say in Nigeria...ala Pastor Abel Damina vs The Others...

This feat or process of the extension of awareness to locales is what in other climes is referred to as 'Eckankar'-The science of Soul Travel. It has many other names even in the mainstream scientific community.

It's ultimate purpose however is Self-realization (knowing your true self as spirit) and then God-realization ultimately. When this happens, never are you in doubt anymore of God's love for Soul (The real self), and you now KNOW and not believe. You become a mature Son of God.

The below video may or may not be useful for you regarding the possibilities that awaits those who Translate (died). In any case, I am just posting for posting sake, so you're welcome. Enjoy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NAzhqirHg

The article provides thoughtful insights

chieveboy:
Dying for many holds a lot of uncertainty; and a lot is left to guesses, assumptions and belief. Do we really "die" and is God going to burn people up?

Are you in Lagos?

onlyforchrist:
Are you in Lagos?

Hi, no I am not.

*updated*

Bonus:

A story about travelling the other dimensions or heavens while being alive:

https://www.facebook.com/570581363011460/posts/pfbid0jtEsCAh8FnggQJrjK8jHpPybcCbAK2yQGpZQEX9DLHmstRDPDgrgZ2nU3Kjw44T2l/?app=fbl

GoodJohn:
The article provides thoughtful insights

Thank you.

Okay. Will link up with you in any youth event.

chieveboy:
Hi, no I am not.

chieveboy:
Dying for many holds a lot of uncertainty; and a lot is left to guesses, assumptions and belief. Do we really "die" and is God going to burn people up?

This uncertainty as you must have seen happens to be an open invitation for many to rule the heads of many often through fear. Fear causes one to quickly 'lose guard' and leads to a submission...

These uncertainties are not necessary because man himself by default has the capability to extend his consciousness or awareness to those parts of himself which doubles as God or Heaven to see and experience heaven here and now and report to his fellow folks in the village about where their deceased uncle is and what he is doing or thinks. Heaven is not far off, its here and now all the while, and its not every religion that wants people to find about this because it will "cast" as we say in Nigeria...ala Pastor Abel Damina vs The Others...

This feat or process of the extension of awareness to locales is what in other climes is referred to as 'Eckankar'-The science of Soul Travel. It has many other names even in the mainstream scientific community.

It's ultimate purpose however is Self-realization (knowing your true self as spirit) and then God-realization ultimately. When this happens, never are you in doubt anymore of God's love for Soul (The real self), and you now KNOW and not believe. You become a mature Son of God.

The below video may or may not be useful for you regarding the possibilities that awaits those who Translate (died). In any case, I am just posting for posting sake, so you're welcome. Enjoy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NAzhqirHg

So do you mean that the soul does not die?

chieveboy:
Dying for many holds a lot of uncertainty; and a lot is left to guesses, assumptions and belief. Do we really "die" and is God going to burn people up?

This uncertainty as you must have seen happens to be an open invitation for many to rule the heads of many often through fear. Fear causes one to quickly 'lose guard' and leads to a submission...

These uncertainties are not necessary because man himself by default has the capability to extend his consciousness or awareness to those parts of himself which doubles as God or Heaven to see and experience heaven here and now and report to his fellow folks in the village about where their deceased uncle is and what he is doing or thinks. Heaven is not far off, its here and now all the while, and its not every religion that wants people to find about this because it will "cast" as we say in Nigeria...ala Pastor Abel Damina vs The Others...

This feat or process of the extension of awareness to locales is what in other climes is referred to as 'Eckankar'-The science of Soul Travel. It has many other names even in the mainstream scientific community.

It's ultimate purpose however is Self-realization (knowing your true self as spirit) and then God-realization ultimately. When this happens, never are you in doubt anymore of God's love for Soul (The real self), and you now KNOW and not believe. You become a mature Son of God.

The below video may or may not be useful for you regarding the possibilities that awaits those who Translate (died). In any case, I am just posting for posting sake, so you're welcome. Enjoy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NAzhqirHg

Three questions for you :

1. Is Eckankar and occult group like Ogboni and Amok?
I used to hear
2. Do you believe in the Christian bible?
3. If you do believe it the bible, Can you briefly describe the science of soul travel you mentioned in your post using a biblical evidence?

Thanks

paxonel:
Three questions for you :

1. Is Eckankar and occult group like Ogboni and Amok?
I used to hear

No to the degree of the definition of a cult even in the Nigerian sense of it. Website is www.Eckankar.org, events and enrollment are public and open to any one to come and go as they wish.

2. Do you believe in the Christian bible?

Its an individual choice. Largely, Eckists accept biblical principles like that of unconditional Love. They however do not accept that anyone can carry your cross (Karma) as Christians like think it.

Eckankar teaches that Soul is eternal and came to existence as a result of the Supreme Deity apportioning complete and absolute unconditional love for Soul. Nothing Soul can do or undo to change that.

3. If you do believe it the bible, Can you briefly describe the science of soul travel you mentioned in your post using a biblical evidence?

Christians are largely cut out from anything heavenly exploration before 'death'. This to me is by design because the uncertainty about heaven actually is what holds what we call "church" today in place. If everyone can explore heaven and see what occurs when people shed the physical body during 'death', then the whole organization or movement will disband or will not function like what you have today.

The small exception to 'Soul Travel' in the bible where Paul mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:2 how he was "caught up" in the third heaven does not generate any interest from Christians largely due to lack of more or due to the fact that the Christian clergy cannot reproduce that event at will like some little children, Eckists, traditionalists, etc. So nothing much is discussed or preached to Christians about exploring outer space and dimensions of creation including the diverse heavens. They are made to wait for the "sweet bye and bye" which incidentally is here and now.

...using a biblical evidence? ...

Lastly, the Bible or any book including that in Eckankar is not necessarily the yardstick for truth. At a time, the man Galileo risked having his head cut of or burnt at the stake for heresy. Why? He stated something that the priests felt contradicted the Bible.

Another man called Christopher Columbus messed up the heads of the clergy after he 'discovered' some people in the Americas. The priests where confused as to how a race of red people could exists considering the story of Noah and the flood.

onlyforchrist:
Okay. Will link up with you in any youth event.

Alright, do let me know any you will be attending. Thanks.

Michael547:
So do you mean that the soul does not die?

Yes. Do not take my word for it though. Prove for your self.
You can make a request to the Holy Spirit to show you the reality of that assertion.
If you do not believe In God, this is not a problem. There are many ways to explore the heavens that are so simple that they sound too simple to work.

One for instance is to just resolve before sleep that you want to discover anything in your dream. Keep a notepad in hand for when you awake.


This is how Eckists are trained to act. To Know, not believe.

Okay bro. I will send you a mail

chieveboy:
Alright, do let me know any you will be attending. Thanks.

chieveboy:
Yes. Do not take my word for it though. Prove for your self.
You can make a request to the Holy Spirit to show you the reality of that assertion.
If you do not believe In God, this is not a problem. There are many ways to explore the heavens that are so simple that they sound too simple to work.

One for instance is to just resolve before sleep that you want to discover anything in your dream. Keep a notepad in hand for when you awake.


This is how Eckists are trained to act. To Know, not believe.

Does Ezekiel 18:4 as shown in the screenshot below says that the soul dies? Yes or no?

Michael547:
Does Ezekiel 18:4 as shown in the screenshot below says that the soul dies? Yes or no?

If you extracted the lesson in the story I told you about Galileo I gave you earlier, perhaps you will see that it is one thing for something like a book to claim one thing and it is another for reality to show a different thing.

chieveboy:
If you extracted the lesson in the story I told you about Galileo I gave you earlier, perhaps you will see that it is one thing for something like a book to claim one thing and it is another for reality to show a different thing.

So the bible is lying here right?

Michael547:
So the bible is lying here right?

Lol. It isn't "lying".

At a time, the people who wrote the bible of the religion of Judaism which Christians used in their own bible thought the Sun revolved around the earth, when in fact it was the opposite. This is why the scientists called Galileo ran into trouble with the "bible" (Church). Is he trying to say the Bible was lying?, so they almost killed him for this when in fact he was telling them the truth.

They even thought the Sun actually 'rises' and 'sets'. They believed the earth had edges and people could fall off if they ventured too far. This believe lasted several thousand years making people in Europe not travelling to the Americas because they believed they will fall off the edge of the earth.

This is why Christopher Columbus's "discovery" of America is important for the white man. He discovered people don't fall of and he found a race of people they called the Red Indians.

Finding out that people existed in America gave rise to another question of "Is the bible lying?":

If God destroyed the earth via flood and only Noah's people and offspring populated the earth (which they believed where those from the middle east and Europe.), how did the people in this land have strange skins? who is their patriarch from Noah's genealogy? Noah had no red-skinned son...

The Bible for your information is a collection of books pooled from different backgrounds especially from the religion of Judaism and later letters and notes from people who associated themselves with Jesus Christ. It is not like it is a scientifically or factually-binding book of knowledge in the sense you construe it even though it holds several factual information.

This means it may contain information that will need more clarification or an outright correction for factuality.

chieveboy:
Lol. It isn't "lying".

At a time, the people who wrote the bible of the religion of Judaism which Christians used in their own bible thought the Sun revolved around the earth, when in fact it was the opposite. This is why the scientists called Galileo ran into trouble with the "bible" (Church). Is he trying to say the Bible was lying?, so they almost killed him for this when in fact he was telling them the truth.

They even thought the Sun actually 'rises' and 'sets'. They believed the earth had edges and people could fall off if they ventured too far. This believe lasted several thousand years making people in Europe not travelling to the Americas because they believed they will fall off the edge of the earth.

This is why Christopher Columbus's "discovery" of America is important for the white man. He discovered people don't fall of and he found a race of people they called the Red Indians.

Finding out that people existed in America gave rise to another question of "Is the bible lying?":

If God destroyed the earth via flood and only Noah's people and offspring populated the earth (which they believed where those from the middle east and Europe.), how did the people in this land have strange skins? who is their patriarch from Noah's genealogy? Noah had no red-skinned son...

The Bible for your information is a collection of books pooled from different backgrounds especially from the religion of Judaism and later letters and notes from people who associated themselves with Jesus Christ. It is not like it is a scientifically or factually-binding book of knowledge in the sense you construe it even though it holds several factual information.

This means it may contain information that will need more clarification or an outright correction for factuality.

So to cut the long story short. The idea that the soul dies in Ezekiel 18:4 is false. Yes or no?

Michael547:
So to cut the long story short. The idea that the soul dies in Ezekiel 18:4 is false. Yes or no?

Yes

chieveboy:
Yes

Lol...ok....so where did you get the information that the soul does not die?

Michael547:
Lol...ok....so where did you get the information that the soul does not die?

I was speaking to you about practically discovering that yourself the other day wasn't I?

With courage, you can do that too. You can go through the process of dying beholding your physical body on lying down.

If you can't, you must have heard how relatives of people who have supposedly died contacting hem with information even on how they want their burial to go or where they kept something that could help the family they left.

You can take those accounts as testaments to the reality of those who proved Soul does not only survive death, Soul is actually indestructible by even Jehovah of the Christians and the rulers above him.

chieveboy:
I was speaking to you about practically discovering that yourself the other day wasn't I?

With courage, you can do that too. You can go through the process of dying beholding your physical body on lying down.

If you can't, you must have heard how relatives of people who have supposedly died contacting hem with information even on how they want their burial to go or where they kept something that could help the family they left.

You can take those accounts as testaments to the reality of those who proved Soul does not only survive death, Soul is actually indestructible by even Jehovah of the Christians and the rulers above him.

Lol.....so you mean there is no reliable source of this your information, you are actually banking on hearsay?

Please where does the Bible teach that soul is indestructible by Jehovah?

Michael547:
Lol.....so you mean there is no reliable source of this your information, you are actually banking on hearsay?

I see...
May be I should have told you I have proven this for myself countless times that I find it odd to hear someone saying Soul can be destroyed.

I thought giving you clues would open up the consciousness.

Please where does the Bible teach that soul is indestructible by Jehovah?

Again: If the Bible was a road that someone told me no vehicle passes, what I will do is look to the right, look to the left and then look right again. Aha, I see a vehicle passing...

chieveboy:
I see...
May be I should have told you I have proven this for myself countless times that I find it odd to hear someone saying Soul can be destroyed.

I thought giving you clues would open up the consciousness.

Why have you proven this to only yourself?
Why is this your feat not a public knowledge to several people who can testify?

Again: If the Bible was a road that someone told me no vehicle passes, what I will do is look to the right, look to the left and then look right again. Aha, I see a vehicle passing...

Lol.....so aside the bible, we should just believe what you say right?

Michael547:
Why have you proven this to only yourself?
Why is this your feat not a public knowledge to several people who can testify?

I see...

A simply widening of the horizons of your search or research will open a new vista of information for you. There are hundreds, if not thousands of scientific research and investigation on people who died, saw the other side and returned to their bodies. Just use Google...

Rhetorically: If you can reach any of the people from your search (on Google), try convincing them with a book written by people who didn't have same experience as them, who at most do not even know what they are talking about beyond being told or reading about it, that people really "die". Good luck with that.

Lol.....so aside the bible, we should just believe what you say right?

I am not sure where I said you should believe my experience. I believe I told you to prove for your self didn't I?

chieveboy:
I see...

A simply widening of the horizons of your search or research will open a new vista of information for you. There are hundreds, if not thousands of scientific research and investigation on people who died, saw the other side and returned to their bodies. Just use Google...

You mean it is a scientific fact that people die and see the other side and come back to their body?

Please what scientific research proves that?

Michael547:
You mean it is a scientific fact that people die and see the other side and come back to their body?

Please what scientific research proves that?

You can do better. Re-read my post, get the information I suggested you get, then see if you really need to ask this question.

The idea is ensure we're not casting things on certain biblical verses

chieveboy:
You can do better. Re-read my post, get the information I suggested you get, then see if you really need to ask this question.

The idea is ensure we're not casting things on certain biblical verses

Oga your submissions in this thread is religious and not scientific.

Show me where scientist proves scientifically that humans have a soul that does not die when they die.

Michael547:
Oga your submissions in this thread is religious and not scientific.

It will be daybreak when you realize the meaning of the word "scientific"...

Show me where scientist proves scientifically that humans have a soul that does not die when they die.

...by that time, you will properly seek to redefine the emboldened.

After you're done, I may chose to admit and indulge you on 'science'...

To proceed, please confirm you have provided us with what looks like or is intended to be a "religious evidence" that humans have a soul that dies and you are now looking for a 'scientific evidence'?

chieveboy:
It will be daybreak when you realize the meaning of the word "scientific"...



...by that time, you will properly seek to redefine the emboldened.

After you're done, I may chose to admit and indulge you on 'science'...

To proceed, please confirm you have provided us with what looks like or is intended to be a "religious evidence" that humans have a soul that dies and you are now looking for a 'scientific evidence'?

Oga I have showed you religiously with a religious book that the soul dies.
The only thing you've done on this thread is to tell me to trust you with your words. You've provided no evidence whatsoever.

Michael547:
Oga I have showed you religiously with a religious book that the soul dies.

And I 'showed you' religiously with a video that soul never dies.

The only thing you've done on this thread is to tell me to trust you with your words.

Quote where asked you or attach screenshot.

You've provided no evidence whatsoever.

Here is one using one you are familiar with:

According to the Bible, believers and sinners are going to:

1: Live for ever with God

2: Live forever in hell crying and gnashing their teeths.

Respectively of course.

chieveboy:
And I 'showed you' religiously with a video that soul never dies.




Quote where asked you or attach screenshot.




Here is one using one you are familiar with:

According to the Bible, believers and sinners are going to:

1: Live for ever with God

2: Live forever in hell crying and gnashing their teeths.

Respectively of course.

You claimed that Ezekie 18:4 was a lie.
So why should I believe your own reference to the Bible or your video?

Where does the Bible teach that soul without the body cries in hell?
Please show me the verse.

Michael547:
You claimed that Ezekie 18:4 was a lie.
So why should I believe your own reference to the Bible or your video?

The emboldened. It says nothing is admissible as far as your head is concerned neither did you show prospect if we are to present scientific work on the subject.

Talking about me saying Ezekiel was a lie (which I did), if my memory serves me right, I spoke about Paul telling you about visiting heaven without dying thereby negating the idea I meant the whole bible was a lie.

So you see, you are your own ignorance.

Where does the Bible teach that soul without the body cries in hell?
Please show me the verse.

I see...

You do not even know much about the Bible...