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Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 5:14pm On Aug 23, 2024
Jesus says:
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?
(Matthew 27:21-22)

Paul's guy Luke reported that Jesus answered saying: “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. (Luke 13:24)

Jesus emphasizes doing the will of the father as a condition to enter the Kingdom of heaven!

Paul says
For He says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. (Romans 9:15-16)

Paul says it's by God's mercy oooooooooo!

Is it by God's mercy or by doing God's will aka works? cool
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by Steep(m): 6:55pm On Aug 23, 2024
Keep reading the bible, I pray God arrest you and bring you to Jesus christ.

While Jesus was addressing the fruit Paul addressed what lead to the fruit.
God has to first chose and call you before you can respond, this response is faith in Jesus christ which in turn leads to spiritual transformation which again leads to obedience to Jesus and at the end eternal life.

Salvation is by faith through Jesus christ, however salvation leads to a change of life. This change of life is the obedience to the Lord Jesus out of Love and faith in him.

Without being saved by grace through faith in Jesus christ you cannot obey Jesus hence those calling Jesus Lord, Lord without obeying him are means they were not saved (which is by grace through faith in Jesus).
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 9:35pm On Aug 23, 2024
Steep:
Keep reading the bible, I pray God arrest you and bring you to Jesus christ.

While Jesus was addressing the fruit Paul addressed what lead to the fruit.
God has to first chose and call you before you can respond, this response is faith in Jesus christ which in turn leads to spiritual transformation which again leads to obedience to Jesus and at the end eternal life.

Salvation is by faith through Jesus christ, however salvation leads to a change of life. This change of life is the obedience to the Lord Jesus out of Love and faith in him.

Without being saved by grace through faith in Jesus christ you cannot obey Jesus hence those calling Jesus Lord, Lord without obeying him are means they were not saved (which is by grace through faith in Jesus).
Can you show verses for all this your theory and pick how it worked exactly on:

1. Each of the 12 disciples.
2. The man Jesus told was forgiven.
3. The Samaritan woman and her people.
4. Luke's redeemed criminal crucified with Jesus.
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by lawbabs: 7:03am On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?
(Matthew 27:21-22)

Paul's guy Luke reported that Jesus answered saying: “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. (Luke 13:24)

Jesus emphasizes doing the will of the father as a condition to enter the Kingdom of heaven!

Paul says
For He says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. (Romans 9:15-16)

Paul says it's by God's mercy oooooooooo!

Is it by God's mercy or by doing God's will aka works? cool
That scripture is higher than your mind can carry. It is by mercy you are saved for no one can come to God except God draws him to himself. That was why even though we were many friends who were preached to but only I submitted to the Lordship of Christ at the very time I gave my life to Christ. Am I better than them? No! Why did I make the choice, and those friends didn't? Mercy found me because God drew me.

It is only when you have been drawn to Christ that you now have the capacity to obey God.
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by SharonLoveth(f): 7:09am On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?
(Matthew 27:21-22)

Paul's guy Luke reported that Jesus answered saying: “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. (Luke 13:24)

Jesus emphasizes doing the will of the father as a condition to enter the Kingdom of heaven!

Paul says
For He says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. (Romans 9:15-16)

Paul says it's by God's mercy oooooooooo!

Is it by God's mercy or by doing God's will aka works? cool
Salvation is beyond your understanding if you are still under demonic spirits that visited Muhammad in cave!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 7:28am On Aug 24, 2024
SharonLoveth:
Salvation is beyond your understanding if you are still under demonic spirits that visited Muhammad in cave!
Who visited Jesus when he was fasting?

Are you also under the same visitor?
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by StillDtruth: 7:37am On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
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Is it by God's mercy or by doing God's will aka works? cool
Is your koran useless?

lawbabs:
That scripture is higher than your mind can carry. it is by mercy you are saved for no one can come to God except God draws him to himself.
See it, people are now slowly seeing that you are Mad and that the bible is beyond the capacity of you muslims!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 7:59am On Aug 24, 2024
lawbabs:
That scripture is higher than your mind can carry. It is by mercy you are saved for no one can come to God except God draws him to himself. That was why even though we were many friends who were preached to but only I submitted to the Lordship of Christ at the very time I gave my life to Christ. Am I better than them? No! Why did I make the choice, and those friends didn't? Mercy found me because God drew me.

It is only when you have been drawn to Christ that you now have the capacity to obey God.
It's either God saves you by his mercy or by works. The criminal from Luke didn't have any works. So one of the theory is false!

Also the blind Jesus told was forgiven had no works!

Abeg leave those theory, those scriptures was collated independent of one another! Even the scriptures of Paul became more prominent same time as Mathew and co!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by Judas1X: 8:08am On Aug 24, 2024
StillDtruth:
Is your koran useless?
Answer AntiChristian's questions and stop being a shifty little pussy undecided. That's how you go about cowardly twisting people's arguments to avoid addressing their main point. Face his question head on cheesy cheesy.

See it, people are now slowly seeing that you are Mad and that the bible is beyond the capacity of you muslims!
I promise you, no one is madder than you on this website, you self-delusionary piece of human dross grin grin.
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 8:10am On Aug 24, 2024
StillDtruth:
Is your koran useless?
It is Qur'an not koran olodo!

See it, people are now slowly seeing that you are Mad and that the bible is beyond the capacity of you muslims!
Bible no even get capacity and madness is inherently embedded in your Deoxyribonucleic acid!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiisIam(m): 9:44am On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?
(Matthew 27:21-22)

Paul's guy Luke reported that Jesus answered saying: “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. (Luke 13:24)

Jesus emphasizes doing the will of the father as a condition to enter the Kingdom of heaven!

Paul says
For He says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. (Romans 9:15-16)

Paul says it's by God's mercy oooooooooo!

Is it by God's mercy or by doing God's will aka works? cool
Shey Paul so fun e wipe it's by God's mercy as a condition to enter the Kingdom of heaven?
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 10:23am On Aug 24, 2024
AntiisIam:
Shey Paul so fun e wipe it's by God's mercy as a condition to enter the Kingdom of heaven?
Kini Paul so fun e nipa God's mercy?
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by dharamanil(m): 11:21am On Aug 24, 2024
SharonLoveth:
Salvation is beyond your understanding if you are still under demonic spirits that visited Muhammad in cave!
It seems its beyond your own understanding as well because you gave no answer
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiisIam(m): 1:01pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
Kini Paul so fun e nipa God's mercy?
Why not answer my question. Did Paul said it is mercy of God one needed to enter heaven?

You just like to disgracing islam sha lojo aiye e gbogbo olodo..
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by StillDtruth: 1:32pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
It is Qur'an not koran olodo!
Who cares how you spell it, mad fool!

[quote author=AntiChristian post=131664408
Bible no even get capacity and madness is inherently embedded in your Deoxyribonucleic acid![/quote]Yet, you dey read am. See am, you don mad finish.
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 1:55pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiisIam:
Why not answer my question. Did Paul said it is mercy of God one needed to enter heaven?

You just like to disgracing islam sha lojo aiye e gbogbo olodo..
Yes that's what he meant from the context!
Check the meaning of context in the dictionary now!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 1:58pm On Aug 24, 2024
StillDtruth:
Who cares how you spell it, mad fool!
Madness as I said earlier is inherently embedded in your Deoxyribonucleic acid. You must mention it every day for you to remain mad!

You need a psychiatric deliverance soon!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by StillDtruth: 2:00pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
Madness as I said earlier is inherently embedded in your Deoxyribonucleic acid. You must mention it every day for you to remain mad!

You need a psychiatric deliverance soon!
Says the muslim displaying madness
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 2:02pm On Aug 24, 2024
StillDtruth:
Says the muslim displaying madness
Says the psychiatric patient displaying insanity!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by StillDtruth: 2:38pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
Says the psychiatric patient displaying insanity!
Says the muslim displaying his madness by repeating what i said to him! grin
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 2:39pm On Aug 24, 2024
StillDtruth:
Says the muslim displaying his madness by repeating what i said to him! grin
Inform them at home of your condition before it gets out of hands!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiisIam(m): 3:33pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
Yes that's what he meant from the context!
Check the meaning of context in the dictionary now!
Slave context I trust you, it is a must for you to hide under context when exposed


AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?
(Matthew 27:21-22)

Paul's guy Luke reported that Jesus answered saying: “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. (Luke 13:24)

Jesus emphasizes doing the will of the father as a condition to enter the Kingdom of heaven!

Paul says
For He says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. (Romans 9:15-16)

Paul says it's by God's mercy oooooooooo!

Is it by God's mercy or by doing God's will aka works? cool
Shey Matthew 27:21-22 and Romans 9:15-16 jor ara won in context? Olodo omo
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 5:18pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiisIam:
Slave context I trust you, it is a must for you to hide under context when exposed
I know you don't know the meaning of context! When your says to you that he'll beat you will be a different context when he says the same to his bosom friend! Same words but different meanings!

Shey Matthew 27:21-22 and Romans 9:15-16 jor ara won in context? Olodo omo
What are the different contexts? How does your own accursed devil inspire you to interpret the verses?
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by Judas1X: 5:33pm On Aug 24, 2024
StillDtruth:
Says the muslim displaying his madness by repeating what i said to him! grin
What a boring retort. Why haven't you addressed AntiChristian's questions in the OP yetcheesy?

Your mama could still have been the village Guliani Buffon catching random dicks in her village gate if your libertine father didn't plant a waste of humanity like you in her stomach grin.
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiisIam(m): 9:56pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
I know you don't know the meaning of context! When your says to you that he'll beat you will be a different context when he says the same to his bosom friend! Same words but different meanings!
Ahahahahaha bobo yii sha, slave context.. I trust you nah, that question hard for you to answer abi?


Answer this first because I wan finish you kpatakpata with your Surat context

Shey Matthew 27:21-22 and Romans 9:15-16 jor ara won in context? Olodo omo



AntiChristian:
What are the different contexts? How does your own accursed devil inspire you to interpret the verses?
The only thing you gained from your ile-kewu is to use Question to answer question or hide under Surat context, Iwo olodo omo yii. Deceiver is an Adjective word
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by lawbabs: 10:33pm On Aug 24, 2024
AntiChristian:
It's either God saves you by his mercy or by works. The criminal from Luke didn't have any works. So one of the theory is false!

Also the blind Jesus told was forgiven had no works!

Abeg leave those theory, those scriptures was collated independent of one another! Even the scriptures of Paul became more prominent same time as Mathew and co!
You are repeating what I said. It is by mercy you are saved. Your works are dead. It is only in Christ that you have living work. Your work only counts when you have been saved by the sure mercies of the Lord. Any work done outside of Christ is filthy rag before God.
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by FxMasterz: 10:55pm On Aug 24, 2024
lawbabs:
You are repeating what I said. It is by mercy you are saved. Your works are dead. It is only in Christ that you have living work. Your work only counts when you have been saved by the sure mercies of the Lord. Any work done outside of Christ is filthy rag before God.
Succinctly said. This captures the whole message of Christianity.
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 7:28am On Aug 25, 2024
AntiisIam:
Ahahahahaha bobo yii sha, slave context.. I trust you nah, that question hard for you to answer abi?


Answer this first because I wan finish you kpatakpata with your Surat context

Shey Matthew 27:21-22 and Romans 9:15-16 jor ara won in context? Olodo omo





The only thing you gained from your ile-kewu is to use Question to answer question or hide under Surat context, Iwo olodo omo yii. Deceiver is an Adjective word
Tell us the context for each of the verses?
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 7:34am On Aug 25, 2024
lawbabs:
You are repeating what I said. It is by mercy you are saved. Your works are dead. It is only in Christ that you have living work. Your work only counts when you have been saved by the sure mercies of the Lord. Any work done outside of Christ is filthy rag before God.
This is another lie. Jesus first told the rich ruler to obey the commandments to gain eternal life.

Jesus didn't tell him to accept Christ as Lord and saviour!

So in one mouth Jesus is saying works works and in another mouth I am seeing God's mercy aka grace!
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiisIam(m): 8:03am On Aug 25, 2024
AntiChristian:
Tell us the context for each of the verses?
Olodo omo, you kuku know say I'm here to put you on the right track

It is Matthew 7:21-23 and NOT Mathew 27:21-23 in your previous post

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity


This is the context of Matthew 7:21-23 for you bobo

Jesus said he will refuse many people entrance into His kingdom on the Day of Judgment because they did not know Him or follow His Father’s will. Despite their claims of performing mighty works in His name, their deeds and hearts violated God’s law.



Romans 9:15-16

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


This is the context of Romans 9:15-16

God said to Moses that he will have mercy on those whom he knows will be converted and remain with him, he will show mercy to those who, after they have sinned, return to him with a right heart. It is God's to give or to not give. He calls the ones whom he knows will obey and does not call those whom he knows will not obey.


Now compare the two chapters and verses i.e.
Matthew 7:21-23 and Romans 9:15-16 shey won jor ara won inline with your question to answer my question: Did Paul said it is mercy of God one needed to enter heaven?

MO FE FINISH E KPATAKPATA Iwo Deceiver is an Adjective word omo yii
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiChristian(op): 8:05am On Aug 25, 2024
AntiisIam:
Olodo omo, you kuku know say I'm here to put you on the right track

It is Matthew 7:21-23 and NOT Mathew 27:21-23 in your previous post

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity


This is the context of Matthew 7:21-23 for you bobo

Jesus said he will refuse many people entrance into His kingdom on the Day of Judgment because they did not know Him or follow His Father’s will. Despite their claims of performing mighty works in His name, their deeds and hearts violated God’s law.



Romans 9:15-16

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


This is the context of Romans 9:15-16

God said to Moses that he will have mercy on those whom he knows will be converted and remain with him, he will show mercy to those who, after they have sinned, return to him with a right heart. It is God's to give or to not give. He calls the ones whom he knows will obey and does not call those whom he knows will not obey.


Now compare the two chapters and verses i.e.
Matthew 7:21-23 and Romans 9:15-16 shey won jor ara won inline with your question to answer my question: Did Paul said it is mercy of God one needed to enter heaven?

MO FE FINISH E KPATAKPATA Iwo Deceiver is an Adjective word omo yii
So of what use is the mercy of God according to Paul?
Re: Is Salvation By Works Or God's Mercy? Jesus Vs Paul! by AntiisIam(m): 8:08am On Aug 25, 2024
AntiChristian:
So of what use is the mercy of God according to Paul?
I will answer this lovely question, mo ti answer all your questions but before answering this your question above, answer my question first. Did Paul said it is mercy of God one needed to enter heaven?
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