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Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MightySparrow: 6:30pm On Aug 24, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself.

Remember you and i aren't worshiping the same God.

That remains valid whether you like it or not! smiley
You are worshipping Jehovah Rutherford. I am worshipping Jehovah Almighty. grin
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:42pm On Aug 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
You are worshipping Jehovah Rutherford. I am worshipping Jehovah Almighty. grin
OK nah! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 6:45pm On Aug 24, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Incorruptible shouldn't carry WOUNDS.that's what you failed to know! smiley
And now you say JESUS CHRIST after the resurrection took back His corruptible body… 😐
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47pm On Aug 24, 2024
Westerhoffe:
And now you say JESUS CHRIST after the resurrection took back His corruptible body… 😐
Don't confuse yourself nah, Jesus didn't resurrect with that former CORRUPTIBLE BODY.

That's what we believe! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 6:27am On Aug 25, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Don't confuse yourself nah, Jesus didn't resurrect with that former CORRUPTIBLE BODY.

That's what we believe! smiley
Confuse myself? You're the one confusing yourself here! 😁

What's this? 👇

MaxInDHouse:
Incorruptible shouldn't carry WOUNDS.that's what you failed to know! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Iamanoited: 6:49am On Aug 25, 2024
IT IS COMMON SENSIBLE. JESUS IS LORD OF THE EARTH AND SO HIS BODY (THE CARCASS) SHOULD STAY WITH THE PEOPLE HE GOVERNS. ONLY HIS SOUL(THE SPIRIT AND THE SHADOW) NEEDED TO RESURRECT IN THE WAY IT HAPPENED. SO SHALL IT BE WITH ALL THE RIGHTEOUS. IJN AMEN.
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:56am On Aug 25, 2024
Westerhoffe:
Confuse myself? You're the one confusing yourself here! 😁
What's this? 👇
Wounds are corruptible things in the body.
A blind man whose eyes aren't working has his eyes corrupted, a deaf has his ears corrupted, a lame has his limbs corrupted and so on.
So if Jesus should pick up the same body that was pierced with nail wounds how can you say such a body is INCORRUPTIBLE?

So he only materialized such a body to make his friend Thomas know that he is no longer dead note that only Thomas was shown that nail wounds because that's what he requested others only wanted Jesus to do things he used to do before and when he did it they don't care about his body anymore:


As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him. ‭Luke 24:15-16 NIV‬

But after his usual way of counseling them with the scriptures they said:


“Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?” ‭Luke 24:32 NIV‬

So Jesus resurrected with another body which is not recognized even by his own disciples but he must do everything to save his unbelieving friend Thomas who said:

"Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” John 20:25

There are many things Jesus wanted to teach them but at that time they can't grasp it that's why he must deal with them according to knowledge. Act 16:12-13
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 2:27pm On Aug 25, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Wounds are corruptible things in the body.
A blind man whose eyes aren't working has his eyes corrupted, a deaf has his ears corrupted, a lame has his limbs corrupted and so on.
So if Jesus should pick up the same body that was pierced with nail wounds how can you say such a body is INCORRUPTIBLE?

So he only materialized such a body to make his friend Thomas know that he is no longer dead note that only Thomas was shown that nail wounds because that's what he requested others only wanted Jesus to do things he used to do before and when he did it they don't care about his body anymore:


As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him. ‭Luke 24:15-16 NIV‬

But after his usual way of counseling them with the scriptures they said:


“Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?” ‭Luke 24:32 NIV‬

So Jesus resurrected with another body which is not recognized even by his own disciples but he must do everything to save his unbelieving friend Thomas who said:

"Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” John 20:25

There are many things Jesus wanted to teach them but at that time they can't grasp it that's why he must deal with them according to knowledge. Act 16:12-13
What I asked is, you said an incorruptible body could never have injuries unless, for corruptible bodies, I didn't argue that. But JESUS CHRIST shew Thomas His nail prints.

Was it not the same body as JESUS CHRIST after He was resurrected?

Can't you see how you keep going back and forth, confusing yourself here?
😁😁😁
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:29pm On Aug 25, 2024
Westerhoffe:
What I asked is, you said an incorruptible body could never have injuries unless, for corruptible bodies, I didn't argue that. But JESUS CHRIST shew Thomas His nail prints.
Was it not the same body as JESUS CHRIST after He was resurrected?
Can't you see how you keep going back and forth, confusing yourself here?
😁😁😁
That's a materialized body to prove something not his real body (glorified) after resurrection! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by johnw47: 12:30am On Aug 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
That's a materialized body to prove something not his real body (glorified) after resurrection! smiley
lost false jw mad max

you teach that Jesus deceived thomas, that it wasn't Jesus real body,
Jesus said: Luk 24:39  See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see,


apart from teaching that Jesus is a deceiver
you also teach that Jehovah isn't all knowing
you also teach that Jehovah isn't Almighty

but that is to be expected from a lost blasphemer of the Holy Spirit:

mad max: olaadegbu, emusan, and johnw47, are the same person, the Holy Spirit told me.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 8:28am On Aug 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
That's a materialized body to prove something not his real body (glorified) after resurrection! smiley
Materialized body?
Huh?
Who told you about that and where did you read that from?
Materialized body, what's the necessity after He had put on an immortal body after resurrection?

So you claim JESUS CHRIST put off the glorified immortal body and put on the corruptible body again…after He resurrected, just to deceive Thomas and make it look like He is not a ghost? 😁😁😁

Is this what you're trying to force me to believe? 😁😁😁

You must really think I am a fool. 🤣🤣🤣
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:39am On Aug 26, 2024
Westerhoffe:
Materialized body?
Huh?
Who told you about that and where did you read that from?
Materialized body, what's the necessity after He had put on an immortal body after resurrection?
So you claim JESUS CHRIST put off the glorified immortal body and put on the corruptible body again…after He resurrected, just to deceive Thomas and make it look like He is not a ghost? 😁😁😁
Is this what you're trying to force me to believe? 😁😁😁
You must really think I am a fool. 🤣🤣🤣
You don't know how SPIRIT BEINGS do operate so it's going to be difficult for you.
A spirit being can put on the looks of anything to achieve something.
So what Thomas saw and touched is not what Jesus looks like with his glorified incorruptible body.
I'm not forcing it on you rather it's you who is asking for the reason of my faith, remember you quoted me first on this matter! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 9:02am On Aug 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
You don't know how SPIRIT BEINGS do operate so it's going to be difficult for you.
🤣🤣🤣
Really!?
Did you just say that?
How many spirit beings have you seen?
How many realms of the spirit have you been to?
How many spirit beings have you encountered?
You just keep sounding so so hilarious trying to solve the things of the Spirit with your carnal-minded method! 🤣🤣🤣

I'n very certain I have seen more things of the Spirit than you could have ever imagined.
You just ain't getting it trying to fit in. 🤣🤣🤣
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MightySparrow: 9:16am On Aug 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one. But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:42-50

With this it's evident that Christ was given another body (spiritual) according to verse 44 (incorruptible) according to verse 42 without which no one can go to heaven according to verse 50.
1. Can you give us a vivid description of a spiritual body?
2. In which body now is Jesus in?
3. What are the differences between a spiritual body and earthly body?

My friend, all questions are most important and demand concise and direet answers.
3. Perambulating is not appreciated.
Thanks.
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:14am On Aug 26, 2024
Westerhoffe:
I'm very certain I have seen more things of the Spirit than you could have ever imagined.
You just ain't getting it trying to fit in.
This really amuses me because you can't see a spirit rather it's what they want you to perceive that you can see.
For instance one single spirit can appear to be 100 men standing in front of you, an animal with human head, one human body with several heads, one human body with countless limb or feet.
So it's whatever they materialized for purpose that you can see, in fact they mostly appear to people using the body and voice of dead loved ones that's what promotes the idea of living dead in all the nations except in Israel where God forbids His worshipers from consulting spirits because as their grand creator He knows what they're capable of doing.

As for Jesus who has returned to his former state as a spirit being he used that body to show Thomas that it's really him but in reality that's not the incorruptible and glorified body with which he resurrected. smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:16am On Aug 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
1. Can you give us a vivid description of a spiritual body?
2. In which body now is Jesus in?
3. What are the differences between a spiritual body and earthly body?
My friend, all questions are most important and demand concise and direet answers.
3. Perambulating is not appreciated.
Thanks.
Since you are just joking up and down the forum i don't see any reason discussing with jokers so go and ask your Papa Oyedepo if you need knowledge! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MightySparrow: 10:39am On Aug 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Since you are just joking up and down the forum i don't see any reason discussing with jokers so go and ask your Papa Oyedepo if you need knowledge! smiley
Aha! How do you determine in which body Jesus resurrected?

You claimed Jesus was Michael before incarnation, what is he now? Angel Michael or man.
If man, what body is He having?
1Tim.2.5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Janosky: 10:41am On Aug 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Incorruptible shouldn't carry WOUNDS that's what you failed to know! smiley
These guys too dunce.

They have refused to utilize the brain God gave them.
grin
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Janosky: 10:46am On Aug 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
Aha! How do you determine in which body Jesus resurrected?

You claimed Jesus was Michael before incarnation, what is he now? Angel Michael or man.
If man, what body is He having?
1Tim.2.5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Did Jesus Christ die for your sins in heaven?

1 Timothy 2:5 references Jesus sacrificial death.

Did you notice that 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God", 'one God ' of 1 Timothy 2:5 in heaven is NOT Jesus Christ your deity?


Dunce sparrow. grin grin
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Janosky: 10:53am On Aug 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
You are worshipping Jehovah Rutherford. I am worshipping Jehovah Almighty. grin
Oga continue deceiving yourself.

Trinity devotee.
Read the screenshot of Origen your Trinitarian inventor ,a very confused devotee .
grin grin

Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MightySparrow: 11:04am On Aug 26, 2024
Janosky:
Did Jesus Christ die for your sins in heaven?

1 Timothy 2:5 references Jesus sacrificial death.

Did you notice that 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God", 'one God ' of 1 Timothy 2:5 in heaven is NOT Jesus Christ your deity?


Dunce sparrow. grin grin
Where is he meditating, on earth?
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 1:45pm On Aug 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
This really amuses me because you can't see a spirit rather it's what they want you to perceive that you can see.
For instance one single spirit can appear to be 100 men standing in front of you, an animal with human head, one human body with several heads, one human body with countless limb or feet.
So it's whatever they materialized for purpose that you can see, in fact they mostly appear to people using the body and voice of dead loved ones that's what promotes the idea of living dead in all the nations except in Israel where God forbids His worshipers from consulting spirits because as their grand creator He knows what they're capable of doing.

As for Jesus who has returned to his former state as a spirit being he used that body to show Thomas that it's really him but in reality that's not the incorruptible and glorified body with which he resurrected. smiley
🤣🤣🤣
Your definition of 'spirits' is voodoo related Mr.
I'm not talking about voodoo-related spirit things.
So, you think only voodoo-related things are of the spirit?
No wonder you can't figure out anything I say.

I'm talking about Angels and Demons, you diverted it to voodoo and necromancers' stuff.
🤣🤣🤣

Now back to what is amusing you…
You don't need to tell me about how spirits operate, because if I were to go into details, you'd be confused more about its realities.

And yet, what I asked you, you haven't shed any light on it.
You're just replying to reply, not to say something tangible.

Na wa for you o! 🤣🤣🤣
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by bobestman(m): 3:54pm On Aug 26, 2024
Westerhoffe:
You confused yourself here.
The physical eyes can not see spiritual bodies.
But a transformed immortal can, which is the case of JESUS CHRIST.

When there shall be on the day of Resurrection, what do you think will happen to those in the graves?
You lack understanding on these things and still forming wise
Do you even understand what ispiritual body is? According to your bible it a resurrected body or heavenly body. The later is far correct. It's your original body in the spiritual realm. If one is given the the privilege to ascend into the heavens, he need the spiritual body to ascend cos you can't function with your earthly body in the spiritual realm - IHave repeated this 3 times now. What is from earth is earth and what is spirit is spirit. Not everybody ascend. Only God men who are here from their on a mission. Heaven is not for all but immortals or ascended masters

What you also fail to understand is that the dead cannot receive a spiritual body. If they want to ascend they will have to resurrect with their earthly body and as they ascend into the heavens their body will be changed and hence they are clothed with a spiritual body. Christ died but can never go to heaven in death cos the dead can't see God but the living. This is why he resurrected before ascending into heaven. This is same with Elijah and Enoch. They didn't die but went ascended with their earthly body which will be changed as they ascend further
A resurrected body is not a spiritual body. Lazarus resurrected body is not a spiritual body. The ppl Christ raised from dead don't have spiritual body. Christ resurrected not with a spiritual body. But as a god man and a heavenly being on a mission he can recieve that body before he ascend. Some receive it as they ascend into the heavens. If he don't want to go to heaven after the resurrection he will be left with his physical body. So being a god man who want to ascend back and proof a point to his friends he recieved that body that made him look differently from others. That will never happen if he want to still remain ion earth. This is same as what you ppl call rapture in your ignorances and blindness. Once you begin to ascend your body will be changed or you recieve a spiritual body

The physical eye can't see a spiritual body....LOL. Christ was seen when he was ascending, Elijah was seen, Enoch was seen. My ancestors and some of yours who were true priests were seen before they ascend out of earth. Your spiritual body will only be given to you as you ascend out of earth not on earth. But that of Christ was different cos he was a great one. During the transfiguration, ppl saw Christ and the others. Their is nothing like a transformed immortal. Anybody who is privileged to see can see even unbelievers.

If you can't understand this simple things I say how will you understand what will happen to those in the grave? Those things are codes. Not what you can understand by mere reading
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:15pm On Aug 26, 2024
Westerhoffe:
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Your definition of 'spirits' is voodoo related Mr. I'm not talking about voodoo-related spirit things. So, you think only voodoo-related things are of the spirit? No wonder you can't figure out anything I say. I'm talking about Angels and Demons, you diverted it to voodoo and necromancers' stuff. 🤣🤣🤣 Now back to what is amusing you… You don't need to tell me about how spirits operate, because if I were to go into details, you'd be confused more about its realities. And yet, what I asked you, you haven't shed any light on it. You're just replying to reply, not to say something tangible. Na wa for you o! 🤣🤣🤣
Now you're talking!

Apart from God the Almighty all other spirits are angels and it's angels who became rebellious that are called "demons" they are all behind anything you can hear about spiritism.

So they all operate the same way the only difference between angels and demons is that angels does everything in line with God's will but demons does whatever they want as they have turned their backs on God anticipating judgment from God! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 7:54pm On Aug 26, 2024
bobestman:
You lack understanding on these things and still forming wise
Do you even understand what ispiritual body is? According to your bible it a resurrected body or heavenly body. The later is far correct. It's your original body in the spiritual realm. If one is given the the privilege to ascend into the heavens, he need the spiritual body to ascend cos you can't function with your earthly body in the spiritual realm - IHave repeated this 3 times now. What is from earth is earth and what is spirit is spirit. Not everybody ascend. Only God men who are here from their on a mission. Heaven is not for all but immortals or ascended masters

What you also fail to understand is that the dead cannot receive a spiritual body. If they want to ascend they will have to resurrect with their earthly body and as they ascend into the heavens their body will be changed and hence they are clothed with a spiritual body. Christ died but can never go to heaven in death cos the dead can't see God but the living. This is why he resurrected before ascending into heaven. This is same with Elijah and Enoch. They didn't die but went ascended with their earthly body which will be changed as they ascend further
A resurrected body is not a spiritual body. Lazarus resurrected body is not a spiritual body. The ppl Christ raised from dead don't have spiritual body. Christ resurrected not with a spiritual body. But as a god man and a heavenly being on a mission he can recieve that body before he ascend. Some receive it as they ascend into the heavens. If he don't want to go to heaven after the resurrection he will be left with his physical body. So being a god man who want to ascend back and proof a point to his friends he recieved that body that made him look differently from others. That will never happen if he want to still remain ion earth. This is same as what you ppl call rapture in your ignorances and blindness. Once you begin to ascend your body will be changed or you recieve a spiritual body

The physical eye can't see a spiritual body....LOL. Christ was seen when he was ascending, Elijah was seen, Enoch was seen. My ancestors and some of yours who were true priests were seen before they ascend out of earth. Your spiritual body will only be given to you as you ascend out of earth not on earth. But that of Christ was different cos he was a great one. During the transfiguration, ppl saw Christ and the others. Their is nothing like a transformed immortal. Anybody who is privileged to see can see even unbelievers.

If you can't understand this simple things I say how will you understand what will happen to those in the grave? Those things are codes. Not what you can understand by mere reading
Bla bla bla.
You just don't seem to get it, do you?
Spiritual body, physical body, Lazarus, the raised deads…
Do you even understand what you're trying to explain to me? ☺️☺️☺️
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by bobestman(m): 12:01pm On Aug 27, 2024
Westerhoffe:
Bla bla bla.
You just don't seem to get it, do you?
Spiritual body, physical body, Lazarus, the raised deads…
Do you even understand what you're trying to explain to me? ☺️☺️☺️
I simplified everything for you to make it easy but guess what? You will still disagree and keep forming wise in your ignorance. Even a kid will read and understand everything I put down here

I have exposed your ignorance on this issue. All you can do is to argue blindly to appear wise
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by Westerhoffe(m): 12:19pm On Aug 27, 2024
bobestman:
I simplified everything for you to make it easy but guess what? You will still disagree and keep forming wise in your ignorance. Even a kid will read and understand everything I put down here

I have exposed your ignorance on this issue. All you can do is to argue blindly to appear wise
In your eyes now, you have exposed something?
What have you exposed? 🤣🤣🤣

You keep confusing yourself in your ignorance and you say you expose me?
Really? 🤣🤣🤣

Coming to those in the graves, codes? Really?
Hope you're not teaching anyone these things though?
Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That Jesus Rose From The Dead Without His Body. by bobestman(m): 1:21pm On Aug 27, 2024
Westerhoffe:
In your eyes now, you have exposed something?
What have you exposed? 🤣🤣🤣

You keep confusing yourself in your ignorance and you say you expose me?
Really? 🤣🤣🤣

Coming to those in the graves, codes? Really?
Hope you're not teaching anyone these things though?
You are still a baby feeding fat with milk that is why this is too hard for you to understand. Lol I didn't expose you oo but your ignorance on this issue. You know nothing at all about what you want to argue and you are still forming wise. I only explained the issue here in a deeper way beyond the way
you were taught. So it will surely piss you off but it is the raw truth. Deal with that
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