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chieveboy:
I wonder where got that idea that this is a Bible thread

So do you now agree that your idea on this thread has nothing to do with the bible?

Michael547:
You claimed the bible does lie.....it therefore means that you have the truth. Isn't it?

What truth?? Bola Ahmed Tinubu is the current president of Nigeria is a truth, lion is a carnivorous animal is a truth, goat cannot fly is also a truth. So what truth are you talking about specifically?

Michael547:
So do you now agree that your idea on this thread has nothing to do with the bible?

You answer lies in the first post and video

chieveboy:
This thread is beyond the bible as you xan see. So do not of necessity need to peg it around the Bible, regardless if we quote it.

This is one issue I have with you and adherents of the grail message, why use the bible to back up your point? Stop quoting the bible, it's an archaic irrelevant book, stop giving it relevance by quoting it please.

chieveboy:
You answer lies in the first post and video

Lol...ok...so you could not even bring out the answer from the video.

justlove91:
What truth?? Bola Ahmed Tinubu is the current president of Nigeria is a truth, lion is a carnivorous animal is a truth, goat cannot fly is also a truth. So what truth are you talking about specifically?

What is the truth on how the universe appeared and why humans are on earth?

justlove91:
This is one issue I have with you and adherents of the grail message, why use the bible to back up your point?

The materials in the Bible were borrowed from other religions, cultures and beliefs. They are Open-source. I am sure you have read it from childhood till today and may not know this.

Stop quoting the bible, it's an archaic irrelevant book,

Oh it is very very relevant. This relevance we can classify as Quantitative, Qualitative or both.

Quantitative: When it is quoted to highlight one of the many misleading contents within it as far as more advance information or truth is concerned

Qualitative: When it is quoted to highlight where any of the characters within it is saying something that aligns with truth or facts.

Even if we go with you comment here

it's an archaic irrelevant book,

,I say we can quote it as a way of pointing out the dangers of going with archaic, mundane or misleading information as in " don't be like Mr Paluga who does this and that and today he is wretched". It would be naïve should Mr Paluga begins to rejoice that he is being quoted to back up a gist. His ignorant head is merely on quantity and he feels relevant (which he is quantitively).

Millions for eons believe (without knowing or confirming) that Soul dies and they go to appease this angry deity who lied or is written to have said he can destroy Soul. These Millions form a Quantity.

Very few tow the narrow path of investigating things beyond what they are told or read. The advanced methods of investigation which this thread is about is that of travelling into the heavens without the body like Paul of in the Bible said.

stop giving it relevance by quoting it please

I guess the Old Testament should be detached from the Christian Bible too because the whole of it was lifted from the Bible of another religion (Judaism).

Further, God, Jesus, Paul, Peter and all characters in the New Testament never asked that their acts, speeches and letters they sent to Corinth, Ephesus and all be collected hundreds of years later for it to rule the beliefs of people later on who believes an Igbo or Kalabari man can ever be a Jew by Faith.

So who gathered these letters, notes and another Bible to form the Christian Bible? This is the person I think should be issuing the command not to quote that book, not a Jew who is a Christian that must become a Jew when he became a Christian just so "his Soul" is not destroyed.

Michael547:
Lol...ok...so you could not even bring out the answer from the video.

It is only a common law of intelligence that one reads and understand the gist of a thread first before questioning it and not the other way round as in this case where you want me to start all over again feeding you answers.

chieveboy:
It is only a common law of intelligence that one reads and understand the gist of a thread first before questioning it and not the other way round as in this case where you want me to start all over again feeding you answers.

Lol....why were you arguing that your idea was biblical in the first place?

Michael547:
Lol....why were you arguing that your idea was biblical in the first place?

read my response to the guy above. it explains everything

chieveboy:
The materials in the Bible were borrowed from other religions, cultures and beliefs. They are Open-source. I am sure you have read it from childhood till today and may not know this.



Oh it is very very relevant. This relevance we can classify as Quantitative, Qualitative or both.

Quantitative: When it is quoted to highlight one of the many misleading contents within it as far as more advance information or truth is concerned

Qualitative: When it is quoted to highlight where any of the characters within it is saying something that aligns with truth or facts.

Even if we go with you comment here ,I say we can quote it as a way of pointing out the dangers of going with archaic, mundane or misleading information as in " don't be like Mr Paluga who does this and that and today he is wretched". It would be naïve should Mr Paluga begins to rejoice that he is being quoted to back up a gist. His ignorant head is merely on quantity and he feels relevant (which he is quantitively).

Millions for eons believe (without knowing or confirming) that Soul dies and they go to appease this angry deity who lied or is written to have said he can destroy Soul. These Millions form a Quantity.

Very few tow the narrow path of investigating things beyond what they are told or read. The advanced methods of investigation which this thread is about is that of travelling into the heavens without the body like Paul of in the Bible said.




I guess the Old Testament should be detached from the Christian Bible too because the whole of it was lifted from the Bible of another religion (Judaism).

Further, God, Jesus, Paul, Peter and all characters in the New Testament never asked that their acts, speeches and letters they sent to Corinth, Ephesus and all be collected hundreds of years later for it to rule the beliefs of people later on who believes an Igbo or Kalabari man can ever be a Jew by Faith.

So who gathered these letters, notes and another Bible to form the Christian Bible? This is the person I think should be issuing the command not to quote that book, not a Jew who is a Christian that must become a Jew when he became a Christian just so "his Soul" is not destroyed.

Do it adherents believe it's open source, moreover if you quote a bible verse to buttress your point you're in essence saying that your point is true because the bible also agrees with it.
Whereas truth is truth whether bible agrees with it or not.

It's better to buttress your points by pointing out that anyone can verify the truth of your claims by learning soul travel instead of quoting the bible.

Michael547:
What is the truth on how the universe appeared and why humans are on earth?

Lol.... How could I possibly know that? I don't, do you?

justlove91:
Do it adherents believe it's open source, moreover if you quote a bible verse to buttress your point you're in essence saying that your point is true because the bible also agrees with it.

I suggest you grasp the earlier response especially about the classification of 'quoting'. A dead giveaway is a criminal's words are quoted against them. In this line of reasoning, the moment a criminal is quoted, it becomes "truth" as you would have it?

Whereas truth is truth whether bible agrees with it or not.

Indeed! This means wherever the bible contains anything to be true, it may be quoted without prejudice..

It's better to buttress your points by pointing out that anyone can verify the truth of your claims by learning soul travel instead of quoting the bible.

This is not how things work unfortunately. One will understand netter if "anchor points" are used in this case texts from the Christian Bible.

Moreover as i told you earlier, The texts within that book where never orginally written as contribution for a certain "Bible".

This means someone felt people need anchor points and took the liberty of compiling notes and letters to make one.

Lastly: I think you and Michael will get this whole "Bible quote' thing better if you reread the context and even the tone the bible was quited. You will see something completely different.

justlove91:
Lol.... How could I possibly know that? I don't, do you?

Oh really? I thought you knew. I would for answers elsewhere then.

chieveboy:
I suggest you grasp the earlier response especially about the classification of 'quoting'. A dead giveaway is a criminal's words are quoted against them. In this line of reasoning, the moment a criminal is quoted, it becomes "truth" as you would have it?




Indeed! This means wherever the bible contains anything to be true, it may be quoted without prejudice..



This is not how things work unfortunately. One will understand netter if "anchor points" are used in this case texts from the Christian Bible.

Moreover as i told you earlier, The texts within that book where never orginally written as contribution for a certain "Bible".

This means someone felt people need anchor points and took the liberty of compiling notes and letters to make one.

Lastly: I think you and Michael will get this whole "Bible quote' thing better if you reread the context and even the tone the bible was quited. You will see something completely different.

I hear you, but when the Christians start accusing you of cherry picking bible verses you should not blame them.

Michael547:
Oh really? I thought you knew. I would for answers elsewhere then.

Oh no, I don't know, search your answers elsewhere just make sure that elsewhere supports its claims with evidence not "it's true because I told you so"

justlove91:
Oh no, I don't know, search your answers elsewhere just make sure that elsewhere supports its claims with evidence not "it's true because I told you so"

Do you know any source that supports its claims by evidence?

justlove91:
I hear you, but when the Christians start accusing you of cherry picking bible verses you should not blame them.

Lol, they will get enlightened about that book.

Everyone goes home with some more Something.

Michael547:
Do you know any source that supports its claims by evidence?

Yes, science.

chieveboy:
Lol, they will get enlightened about that book.

Everyone goes home with some more Something.

Ok sha.

You didn't answer my previous question.

Is lucid dream the same as what you call soul travel.

justlove91:
Yes, science.

So are you saying that science has not taught you how the universe appeared and why humans are on earth?

Michael547:
So are you saying that science has not taught you how the universe appeared and why humans are on earth?

Science says our universe "appeared" because of a big bang that occurs billions of years ago. And they provided many evidences, one is the background cosmic radiation which is a leftover due to the big bang.
Another is the fact that distant stars are moving further away from us, which means the universe is expanding and if the universe is expanding we can logically assume it started from a point.

Science has nothing to say about why humans are on earth.

justlove91:
Science says our universe "appeared" because of a big bang that occurs billions of years ago. And they provided many evidences, one is the background cosmic radiation which is a leftover due to the big bang.
Another is the fact that distant stars are moving further away from us, which means the universe is expanding and if the universe is expanding we can logically assume it started from a point.

Science has nothing to say about why humans are on earth.

Oh wonderful I thought you said you did not know.

Since science do not know why we are on earth, does that also mean you don't know why you are here?

Michael547:
Oh wonderful I thought you said you did not know.

I still don't know, you asked what science says about the subject and I told you.

Since science do not know why we are on earth, does that also mean you don't know why you are here?

I assume you know why we are here then, care to share??

justlove91:
I still don't know, you asked what science says about the subject and I told you.

Lol....does that mean that you don't agree on and accept what science says on the Matter?

Michael547:
Lol....does that mean that you don't agree on and accept what science says on the Matter?

I believe what science says on the matter but I don't know for a fact that their conclusion is right. Some scientists believe we live in a simulation of some sort.

Do you think it's possible to believe something to be true and yet not know for a fact that it's the truth??

justlove91:
Ok sha.

You didn't answer my previous question.

Is lucid dream the same as what you call soul travel.

Yes it is. The Lucidity is what differentiates Dreaming from Soul Travel.
One misconception is that feeling of getting out of the body is compulsory. It is not.

The advanced stage of Soul Travel does not involve getting out of the body or that feeling. With eyes wide open, you 'collapse sight' (as a matter of saying) to See and Know instantly. Chances are everyone had had this experience before.

justlove91:
I believe what science says on the matter but I don't know for a fact that their conclusion is right. Some scientists believe we live in a simulation of some sort.

Do you think it's possible to believe something to be true and yet not know for a fact that it's the truth??

😂😂😂.....you just claimed that science supports its claims by evidence and you are saying that you don't know if their conclusions is right?
Na wa oo....after all the evidence they've shown you😂😂?

Michael547:
😂😂😂.....you just claimed that science supports its claims by evidence and you are saying that you don't know if their conclusions is right?
Na wa oo....after all the evidence they've shown you😂😂?

There are quite a handful of scientific proof on OBEs. I am not sure if its lazinessiness keeping you from using your hands to check online instead of waiting to be spoon-fed or it's just a this 'wisdom' in thinking when we don't submit such work to you, you're now Super the Black Power and such information does not exist.

To be candid, I for one didn't furnish you any scientific proof simply because so far, you have not demonstrated deductive -reasoning capacity even right from the Bible in the case of Paul talking about visiting heaven without the body.

Despite all other scriptures which clearly lets you know flesh and blood cannot visit heaven, you preferred the 'small wins' that came with my reluctance to indulge your ignorance.

Michael547:
😂😂😂.....you just claimed that science supports its claims by evidence and you are saying that you don't know if their conclusions is right?
Na wa oo....after all the evidence they've shown you😂😂?

Even scientists say the big bang theory is the best explanation they have for now for the origin of the universe, even though they have evidence to support it.

Also both Newtonian physics and quantum physics have very different notion of what reality is and yet both have evidence to support its claims.

justlove91:
Even scientists say the big bang theory is the best explanation they have for now for the origin of the universe, even though they have evidence to support it.

Also both Newtonian physics and quantum physics have very different notion of what reality is and yet both have evidence to support its claims.

😂😂😂....na wa oo...what kind of evidence is this that you claim that science has? Evidence that gets one confused. Na wa oo.....are these evidences really the truth? Even you don't know which one to follow😂.

chieveboy:
There are quite a handful of scientific proof on OBEs. I am not sure if its lazinessiness keeping you from using your hands to check online instead of waiting to be spoon-fed or it's just a this 'wisdom' in thinking when we don't submit such work to you, you're now Super the Black Power and such information does not exist.

To be candid, I for one didn't furnish you any scientific proof simply because so far, you have not demonstrated deductive -reasoning capacity even right from the Bible in the case of Paul talking about visiting heaven without the body.

Despite all other scriptures which clearly lets you know flesh and blood cannot visit heaven, you preferred the 'small wins' that came with my reluctance to indulge your ignorance.

There you are going back to argue with the bible again even after it has failed your soul without body theory. Just rest if you can't show me a verse that says that the soul is indestructible and cannot die.