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Janosky:
Emusan your post:
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of creation"

Is enough evidence that "OTHER " @ Colossians 1:16 is very good and very correct.

Oga,Come & Continue WAILING.

Janosky:

Emusan,continue WAILING your IBERIBEISM.
Nah you bring the evidence cemented forever on Nairaland.


Emusan post:
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of creation"

MightySparrow:
Good work brother. NWT supports the doctrine of Trinity than any other translations. There is a God and god. And the scriptures say,

MightySparrow:
Isa.44.6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

MightySparrow:
Here in NWT, there is another god approved by the deluded Governing Body. Who co - created all in creation. He even created The Throne of God because God must be somewhere before He created The Heaven and The Throne all there is everywhere.

Once again, good job.

Emusan:
That is what in saying, till now you still couldn't understand MetaAI very pathetic of you JaNosense

Because the solid evidence is against their delusion invented at Nicene, they digress from the topic.
They choose to respond with insults & personal attacks .


From Sand, Achorladey, FX Masterz,Courz Oteneaaron, Emusan etc.
Nah their way.

Janosky:
Because the solid evidence is against their delusion invented at Nicene, they digress from the topic.
They choose to respond with insults & personal attacks .


From Sand, Achorladey, FX Masterz,Courz Oteneaaron, Emusan etc.
Nah their way.

Janosky:
According to your friend Achorladey post:
The source of this “calm, low voice” may have been the same spirit who was used to deliver “Jehovah’s word” mentioned at 1 Kings 19:9. In verse 15, this spirit is referred to simply as “Jehovah.” We might be reminded of the spirit emissary whom Jehovah used to guide Israel in the wilderness and of whom God said: “My name is within him.” (Ex. 23:21) We cannot be dogmatic on this point, of course, but it is worth noting that in his prehuman existence, Jesus served as “the Word,” the special Spokesman to Jehovah’s servants.​—John 1:1.

Also,Is Judges chapter 6 verses 11-15,22-23, John 5:43 in your Bible?
Angels were sent to represent Jehovah God.

Oga, don't be LYING on this forum.

Emusan:
Apart from material it known fact that every created being needs a SPACE TO OCCUR.

Reason why the heaven was created for spirit beings.

So, if Jesus was the first to be created WHERE DID HE STAY? Since He was the one who created the abode of the spirit beings called HEAVEN.

One jws has mistakenly answer Jesus was in ETERNITY WITH THE FATHER.

I was like wa oooo do you know the meaning of ETERNITY? ETERNITY means no space, no time no mass e.t.c

The only thing that will make Jesus to be in ETERNITY with the Father is IG He is God as well and this is the testimony of the scripture. Micah 5:2

Janosky:
But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah, who are one of the little clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to rule in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days” (Micah 5:2).

Jesus' Christ has origin, says Micah 5:2.
This screenshot evidence highlighted originated from Emusan.

Sand2022:
According to my friend? What you quoted, if I am not mistaken is an Excerpt from JW publication which he also quoted. How is that his opinion?

MaxInDHouse:
The rest is Story my guy.

English dictionary has told us what Firstborn is all about it has to do with children and part of them so if there are creatures the FIRSTBORN of creation is one of those created!

Emusan posted A.I , the guy is desperate to refute the solid evidence he brought to Nairaland.
He must continue WAILING.


Emusan post:
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of creation."

Janosky:
Sparrow deluded WAILER
Abeg quote John 1:1 from Emphatic Diaglott & NWT, let's check something.

Yes, that is Jehovah,the only true God whom Jesus recognized and is worshipping, John 17:3 & John 5:44.
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Jesus Christ quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34-36 identifying Jesus as a god.

Deluded Sparrow, enjoy your WAILING.

Sand2022:
So the point falls apart. That Jesus bear Son is no proof that he MUST have a beginning. I don't want to respond to other parts of your comment because it will derail the point being put forward. Besides John 1:3 is the proof that he was not created.

Oga, what did the same apostle John teach you @ Revelation 3:14,21?

How come every being has the same Father (Senior) in the spiritual realm?

Oga Sand2022, would John the apostle who wrote John 1:3 & Revelation 3:14,21, study Ephesians 3:14-15,
1 Corinthians 8:6 & Romans 11:35-36 & reject your own conclusion about Jesus ?

Job 41:11 & 1 Corinthians 3:23, John 17:7, how come every thing as in EVERYTHING belongs to the God?

Acts 3:18 & Hebrew 1:2 has clarified John 1:3.

Acts 3:18, Should we conclude that the prophets fulfilled the things announced because it was announced through the prophets?

Hebrew 1:2 & John 1:3 , should we conclude that Jesus is the creator because the universe THROUGH his son?

The screenshot evidence is irrefutable, Greek dia = medium or instrument or Agency is NOT the creator.

Because Lawyer buy house for him Client,nah Lawyer own the house?

MightySparrow:
We are saying the same thing. two gods.

Janosky:
We are not oooo !
John 5:44 & John 17:3, the ONLY God/true God, did Jesus make that reference to himself?

Did Jesus reference gods, @Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34-36 to himself?

Janosky:
Emusan posted A.I , the guy is desperate to refute the solid evidence he brought to Nairaland.
He must continue WAILING.


Emusan post:
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of creation."

Emusan:
But you won't see the word "OTHER" inserted by Watchtower in Col 1:16-18 as dubious as it was never found in ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPTS.

Hypocrite!!!

Janosky:
According to your friend Achorladey post:
The source of this “calm, low voice” may have been the same spirit who was used to deliver “Jehovah’s word” mentioned at 1 Kings 19:9. In verse 15, this spirit is referred to simply as “Jehovah.” We might be reminded of the spirit emissary whom Jehovah used to guide Israel in the wilderness and of whom God said: “My name is within him.” (Ex. 23:21) We cannot be dogmatic on this point, of course, but it is worth noting that in his prehuman existence, Jesus served as “the Word,” the special Spokesman to Jehovah’s servants.​—John 1:1.

Also,Is Judges chapter 6 verses 11-15,22-23, John 5:43 in your Bible?
Angels were sent to represent Jehovah God.

Oga, don't be LYING on this forum.

MightySparrow:
John 1:1 NWT says God and god.

Emusan:
That is what I'm saying,

You agreed that the word OTHER was not found in any GREEK MANUSCRIPTS but instead of calling out Watchtower for the fraud just as you can boldly call others, you try to defend it.

Who told you those translations you called dubious can't defend what they inserted?

Hypocrite JaNosense

Janosky:
Because the solid evidence is against their delusion invented at Nicene, they digress from the topic.
They choose to respond with insults & personal attacks .


From Sand, Achorladey, FX Masterz,Courz Oteneaaron, Emusan etc.
Nah their way.

Sand2022:
According to my friend? What you quoted, if I am not mistaken is an Excerpt from JW publication which he also quoted. How is that his opinion?

Janosky:
But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah, who are one of the little clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to rule in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days” (Micah 5:2).

Jesus' Christ has origin, says Micah 5:2.
This screenshot evidence highlighted originated from Emusan.

The Ancient of Days.” The title “Ancient of Days,” which only Daniel uses, indicates “one advanced (or aged) in days.” (Daniel 7:9, 13, 22) How advanced in age is Jehovah? Since he is the “King of eternity,” his existence stretches endlessly into the past​—and forever into the future. (1 Timothy 1:17; Jude 25) God’s eternal existence assures us that he is infinite in wisdom, for the Bible associates age with wisdom. (Job 12:12) Granted, the idea of eternal existence is difficult for our finite minds to grasp. But should we really expect to grasp fully the incomparably wise God?​—Romans 11:33, 34.

Janosky:
You claimed that " Jesus was that Jehovah."

The Watchtower said that being was a "Spirit emissary."
You see am there?
Remember I referred you to John 5:43 & Judges 6:11-15, 22-23, to make a point.

@ judges 6:11-15,22-23 is that angel who interacted with Gideon Jehovah?

Janosky:
Oga, what did the same apostle John teach you @ Revelation 3:14,21?

How come every being has the same Father (Senior) in the spiritual realm?

Oga Sand2022, would John the apostle who wrote John 1:3 & Revelation 3:14,21, study Ephesians 3:14-15,
1 Corinthians 8:6 & Romans 11:35-36 & reject your own conclusion about Jesus ?

Job 41:11 & 1 Corinthians 3:23, John 17:7, how come every thing as in EVERYTHING belongs to the God?

Acts 3:18 & Hebrew 1:2 has clarified John 1:3.

Acts 3:18, Should we conclude that the prophets fulfilled the things announced because it was announced through the prophets?

Hebrew 1:2 & John 1:3 , should we conclude that Jesus is the creator because the universe THROUGH his son?

The screenshot evidence is irrefutable, Greek dia = medium or instrument or Agency is NOT the creator.

Because Lawyer buy house for him Client,nah Lawyer own the house?

Janosky:
We are not oooo !
John 5:44 & John 17:3, the ONLY God/true God, did Jesus make that reference to himself?
No,


Did Jesus reference gods, @Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34-36 to himself?

Yes.

That's the difference.

MightySparrow:
John 1:1 NWT says God and god.

Janosky:
One of 2 Theos is not the God Almighty.

The same manner in Acts 12:22-23, the God & god(s).

achorladey:
The same thing I told one of their elders about saying others are false Christians based on their beliefs and that's why they go the house of those that are Christians already to preach to them what they termed true teachings. I asked him, those they call false Christian, don't they equally defend their beliefs from the Bible? He wanted to deflect. I told him you know they do.

Emusan:
Imagine the level of his delusion.

You said a Trinitarians are fraudulent for inserting something that is not in the Greek manuscripts but defending your OWN ORGANIZATION that also inserted what is not in the same Greek manuscripts.

The shamelessness is topnotch

Janosky:
One of 2 Theos is not the God Almighty.

The same manner in Acts 12:22-23, the God & god(s).

MightySparrow:
But God said

Isa.44.6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

The Almighty God said I don't know any other God besides Himself. Your NWT says there is a true God and the untrue 'god'!
Reconcile these.
Simple.

Emusan:
Imagine the level of his delusion.

You said a Trinitarians are fraudulent for inserting something that is not in the Greek manuscripts but defending your OWN ORGANIZATION that also inserted what is not in the same Greek manuscripts.

The shamelessness is topnotch