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Ojuntana:
Eureka!!
There you have it. Bless your soul. The Arabic Allah in Islam is a counterfeit of the Jewish God.
You're enlightened

Exactly!
Allah of the Muslims is truely a counterfeit Deity.
Allah is NOT a Father to anyone
Allah is NOT a Spirit
Allah is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent!

Allah desires that people will commit sins and always beg him for forgiveness: is not satan in disguise?

How can such be God?

TenQ:
I guess you are not educated about the Arab Christians.

Again,
The Name of the Allah of the Arab Christians is YHWH!


Ask any Muslim if any of the 99 names of Allah is YHWH?
The name of the Allah of the Arab Muslims is Allah!

Since you have greater knowledge compared to that of Arab Christians, who am I to challenge your view on what you want them to call God in their indigenous language? I have made an effort to exclude Islamic considerations, but it seems there may be a personal issue you have with the Arabic language itself.

1. It is your prophet who claimed that his Deity is the same as our God and not the other way round.
2. Talk is cheap.

A. Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Otherwise, tell me how Allah did not know that the boy slaughtered needlessly by Al-Khidr will not live to become an adult
B. Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
Otherwise, tell me if Allah can be upon his throne and beneath it at the same time. Tell be if Allah can be above the seventh heaven and below it at the same time.
C. Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
Otherwise, tell me if it is possible for Allah to enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Tell me if Allah can have a son without having a female consort?


Taoheed destroyed the nature of Allah and reduced it to the level of the Taoheed of Iblis!

If only you can think, you will see that you've been scammed

Explore2xmore:
@Antichristian I ponder what you gain by apparently always questioning the christians anout their faith?

Is this the best way you can worship Allah that you have time to engage those who feign blindness, deafness and reasoning to reject the truth?

In any case using analogies to explain the concept of the Trinity has proven to be a futile endeavor.

Exodus 15:11 states Who among the gods is like you, Lord? Who is like you—majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?

Isaiah 40:18 asks rhetorically, To whom will you compare God? What image will you compare him to?

It often appears that Christians ignore the theological implications of these verses which suggest that God cannot be confined to human understanding or categories.

Sadly they don't understand what is said in John emphasising that God must be worshipped in sincerity.

Allah's omnipotence (Al-Qadir) refers to Allah being all-powerful. He has absolute and unlimited power over all things. He is capable of doing anything that is in line with His will. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.(Quran 2:20)

Allah's omnipresence (Al-Hadir) refers to Allah's presence everywhere, though not in a physical sense. His presence is not confined to any specific location. Instead, Allah’s knowledge, awareness, and authority encompass the entire universe. This concept assures Muslims that they are never alone, as Allah is always with them, aware of their actions and thoughts.

"And He is with you wherever you are. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing." (Quran 57:4)

Allah's Omniscience ; Al-‘Alim, Allah is all-knowing, possessing complete and perfect knowledge of everything, past, present, and future. His knowledge is not limited by time or space. Allah knows what is hidden and what is apparent, what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen. He is aware of the innermost thoughts and secrets of every individual.

"And with Him are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him. And He knows what is on the land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls but that He knows it." (Quran 6:59)

These attributes highlight Allah’s supreme and absolute nature in Islamic belief, portraying Him as the ultimate authority and sustainer of all existence.

1. It is your prophet who claimed that his Deity is the same as our God and not the other way round.
2. Talk is cheap.

A. Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Otherwise, tell me how Allah did not know that the boy slaughtered needlessly by Al-Khidr will not live to become an adult
B. Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
Otherwise, tell me if Allah can be upon his throne and beneath it at the same time. Tell be if Allah can be above the seventh heaven and below it at the same time.
C. Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
Otherwise, tell me if it is possible for Allah to enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Tell me if Allah can have a son without having a female consort?


Taoheed destroyed the nature of Allah and reduced it to the level of the Taoheed of Iblis!

If only you can think, you will see that you've been scammed

Qasim6:
Confusion in enemies camp

Unfortunately for u and Tenq the Jews don't believe you have the same God as them.

So do you guys worship a God that is counterfeit of the Jewish God?

Mr Liar: is your God a Boundless Spirit?
Is the name of your God YHWH?
If it isn't, you are a satan worshipper


Even your God doesn't know what a spirit it! SMH!

I have been asking you the Questions: is Allah Omnipresent and Omniscient and Omnipotent?
Your prophet says NO!

How can that be God?

Is the name of y

Kingsempires:
Arab Christain call God ALLAH

Are you feigning Ignorance?


Is the name of your Father Daddy or he has a specific name?


God, Allah, Elohim, Adonai ate titles but not the Name!

What is the NAME of the God (Allah) of the Arab Christians?


Do you know it?

TenQ:
Mr Liar: is your God a Boundless Spirit?
Is the name of your God YHWH?
If it isn't, you are a satan worshipper


Even your God doesn't know what a spirit it! SMH!

I have been asking you the Questions: is Allah Omnipresent and Omniscient and Omnipotent?
Your prophet says NO!

How can that be God?

Is the name of y

Tell us the pronunciation YHWH and the meaning if it has a meaning

Petalss:
While Arab Christians embrace the use of the Arabic language to refer to God as 'Allah', some Nigerian Christians, like Ten Q, disagree with this practice.

It's essential to recognize that one's dislike or criticism of Islam as a religion should not be conflated with the Arabic language itself. Arabic is a neutral language, a tool for communication, and its use should not be rejected solely because of its association with a particular religion.

In fact, many Arabic-speaking Christians have used the term 'Allah' to refer to God for centuries, highlighting the language's versatility and adaptability across different cultures and faiths.

But Allah is NOT a name just as God is not the name of God!


Is the name of your father Daddy?

Qasim6:
What is the Pronunciation of YHWH and does it have a meaning?

Do you think by any means I can pronounce the Word YHWH perfectly? YHWH means "I AM!" or "I AM that I AM" meaning the "ONE WHOM ALL CONSISTS IN" or "THE ONE WHO IS SELF EXISTING!"

Thanks be to God that you can read. I cannot even pronounce Allah perfectly but at least I can write it with the Islamic adopted spelling of the transliteration of Allah!

Find another argument!

What is the meaning of the name Allah?

Is it Al-LAH (deity-Lah)?
The old Aramaic name of any Deity is Al- (El-)

Don't forget that
Abdul-LAH is the slave of LAH!
Alhamdulli-LAH is praise be to LAH!

Petalss:
Since you have greater knowledge compared to that of Arab Christians, who am I to challenge your view on what you want them to call God in their indigenous language? I have made an effort to exclude Islamic considerations, but it seems there may be a personal issue you have with the Arabic language itself.

All I need from you is the truth

1. Is Allah the NAME of the God (Allah ) of the Arab Muslims?
2. Is Allah the NAME of the God (Allah ) of the Arab Christians?
3. Is Chukwu the NAME of the God (Allah) of the Ibo Christians?
4. Is Olorun the NAME of the God (Allah) of the Yoruba Christians?

If you cannot comprehend this simple thing

There are Many Presidents in the world BUT
#Bola Ahmed Tinubu is the Name of the President of Nigeria
#Joe Biden is the Name of the President of USA
# Vladimir Putin is the Name of the President of Russia



There are many Gods in the world, what is the name and the identity of your God?
Is this difficult to say?

The question is, what is the Identity of the Name of the Allah of the Arab Christians?

I am surprised you all don't see the diversions due to an absence of a clear explanation of the trinity with or without analogy.

Explore2xmore:
I am surprised you all don't see the diversions due to an absence of a clear explanation of the trinity with or without analogy.

You asked for analogy and it was given.

But mules want to mindlessly argue over their stupidity rather than present a logical rebuttal and to show that Taoheed is superior.

Unfortunately, Taoheed is a dumb doctrine that limits Allah to the level of the Taoheed of Iblis.

I asked you some simple basic questions:
Can you show that Allah is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent using the implications of the Taoheed?

A. Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Otherwise, tell me how Allah did not know that the boy slaughtered needlessly by Al-Khidr will not live to become an adult
B. Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
Otherwise, tell me if Allah can be upon his throne and beneath it at the same time. Tell be if Allah can be above the seventh heaven and below it at the same time.
C. Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
Otherwise, tell me if it is possible for Allah to enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Tell me if Allah can have a son without having a female consort?

Qasim6:
Unfortunately, it is not a lie. Some even see the rise of Islam as a fulfillment of Genesis 17:20 and most of them see him as a prophet to the Arabs/Ishmaelites contrary to what you believe that they see him as a fake prophet.

And unfortunately for you again, the person asking the prophet question in the Hadith you are quoting was a Jewish Rabbi and he became a muslim. So how are you sure the prophet failed the test he was put through?



The fact remain they disagree with you on your concept of God.

Where do you Christians get your own version of YHWH from?
Are you guys worshipping a counterfeit of the Jewish God?

We muslim also accept the existence of spirit of God.

Gen17vs20 does not imply Islam. It is beyond ridiculous to claim so.

Jews are against Muslims as much as Muslims are against them. One of the sore point is the temple mount in Jerusalem. But besides that, even the Qur'an prescribes fighting and killing Jews and denounced the Torah as adulterated so any Jew who believes Islam must be deluded. Most Jews do not and that's a fact.

That the person who asked the question is a Rabbi does not make him an authority. Judge for yourself if your prophet was correct about the source of resemblance of parents and their offspring. Automatically, your prophet is calling kids who resemble neither of their parents bastards or stolen kids! Do you agree with him?

Jews also disagree that Allah is Yahweh. They do not accept Muhammad as a prophet neither do they accept the quranic narratives of their ancestor. Funny enough, the Qur'an accepts that Jesus was a prophet of God while the Jews insist he is not.

Where does the Qur'an accepts the existence of the spirit of God?

TenQ:
But Allah is NOT a name just as God is not the name of God!


Is the name of your father Daddy?

Exactly
Allah is generic but the Muslims have abrogated it for themselves

TenQ:
You asked for analogy and it was given.

But mules want to mindlessly argue over their stupidity rather than present a logical rebuttal and to show that Taoheed is superior.

Unfortunately, Taoheed is a dumb doctrine that limits Allah to the level of the Taoheed of Iblis.

I asked you some simple basic questions:
Can you show that Allah is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent using the implications of the Taoheed?

A. Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Otherwise, tell me how Allah did not know that the boy slaughtered needlessly by Al-Khidr will not live to become an adult
B. Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
Otherwise, tell me if Allah can be upon his throne and beneath it at the same time. Tell be if Allah can be above the seventh heaven and below it at the same time.
C. Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
Otherwise, tell me if it is possible for Allah to enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Tell me if Allah can have a son without having a female consort?

Sadly you don't even comprehend who questions you.

But since you make the mistake in your statement do satisfactorily explain the Trinity with and without analogy that cannot be faulted?

Ojuntana:
Gen17vs20 does not imply Islam. It is beyond ridiculous to claim so.

Yeah, it doesn't imply Islam in your dream

So where is the great nation? what you probably don't know is that genesis 17:20 was God response to Abraham prayer "oh that Ishmael might live before you"

Tell us what Genesis 17:20 implies since you know better and let us know when the prophecy was fulfilled.

Ojuntana:
Jews are against Muslims as much as Muslims are against them. One of the sore point is the temple mount in Jerusalem. But besides that, even the Qur'an prescribes fighting and killing Jews and denounced the Torah as adulterated so any Jew who believes Islam must be deluded. Most Jews do not and that's a fact.

The fact that the Arabs and the Jews are at each others throat disprove nothing about Genesis 17:20 nor does it disprove the Jews acknowledging they worship the same God as the Muslims.

Are u now making things up? Where does the Qur'an prescribe fighting and killing the Jews?

Yeah the Torah has been adulterated and Jeremiah 8:8 attested to that.

Unfortunately most Jews believe they worship the same God as the Muslims and this is a fact, and by Jews I mean orthodox Jew and not Zionist, Zionist are majorly non-religious.

Even in their rulings they are allowed to pray in mosques in the absence of synagogue and they wouldn't even enter a church because they consider churches to be a place of Idol worshipping.

If they consider you Christians to be Idol worshippers, and you are claiming to be worshipping YHWH, where do you Christians get your own version of YHWH from?

NB: whatever their beliefs are mean nothing to me as a Muslim.

Ojuntana:
That the person who asked the question is a Rabbi does not make him an authority. Judge for yourself if your prophet was correct about the source of resemblance of parents and their offspring. Automatically, your prophet is calling kids who resemble neither of their parents bastards or stolen kids! Do you agree with him?

the person that was asking the question must have had a fore knowledge about what he was asking the prophet. If the answer he received from the Prophet was not satisfactory for him then he wouldn't have became a muslim because he accepted Islam on the spot.

Ojuntana:
Jews also disagree that Allah is Yahweh. They do not accept Muhammad as a prophet neither do they accept the quranic narratives of their ancestor. Funny enough, the Qur'an accepts that Jesus was a prophet of God while the Jews insist he is not.

Where does the Qur'an accepts the existence of the spirit of God?

Which Jew disagree that Allah is Yahweh? Jews don't even know the correct pronunciation of the name again and they don't use the name. All these Yahweh, Jehovah are just guess work.

I know fully well Allah is not Yahweh according to the Christians, and I will also agree with you 💯. We don't worship a 3 in 1 God

Q 15:29
When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him(Adam) of MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.”

Ojuntana:
Exactly
Allah is generic but the Muslims have abrogated it for themselves

It's like an adult who insists that the name of his father is daddy and the name of his mother is Mummy!

Ask them if the name Allah have any meaning: they don't know. Allah predates Islam and is equivalent to Eloah/Elohim of the Hebrew meaning Deity or god/God!

Explore2xmore:
Sadly you don't even comprehend who questions you.

But since you make the mistake in your statement do satisfactorily explain the Trinity with and without analogy that cannot be faulted?

1. Are You are surprised that it is impossible to find a perfect analogy between the Trinity of YHWH and ANYTHING in creation!?
This is because there is NOTHING in creation that is like YHWH!
Do you know Anyone or Anything in the Universe that is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent at the same time?

This is exactly why I call you dumb mules and donkeys who behaves at sub-intelligent levels.


2. So that you see how illogical your supposed question is, Taoheed of Allah is so simple to comprehend
Can you find any ANALOGY of Taoheed that cannot be faulted using your dumb criteria!?

It is called an analogy for this purpose: it is a description of a correspondence or partial similarity between a concept and something else!

3. An analogy is an AID to comprehending a complex concepts with relatable illustrations and justice has been done on it.

The Superiority of Trinity has been established over that of Taoheed that you by now should know that Allah cannot be God. Otherwise,

I asked you some simple basic questions:
Can you show that Allah is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent using the implications of the Taoheed?

I am still waiting for you: talk is cheap?

TenQ:
1. Are You are surprised that it is impossible to find a perfect analogy between the Trinity of YHWH and ANYTHING in creation!?
This is because there is NOTHING in creation that is like YHWH!

Thank you for confirming the folly where direct or analoguos definition fail to explain trinity.
Where did you guys get it from?
How did it become a fundamental tenet of Christianity?

Explore2xmore:
Thank you for confirming the folly where direct or analoguos definition fail to explain trinity.
Where did you guys get it from?
How did it become a fundamental tenet of Christianity?

See you braying like a donkey again.
Stupidity is adopting a God who is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent and insisting that such is the creator.

You cannot even explain that Taoheed without embarrassing yourself as there is nothing different between the Taoheed of Allah and the Taoheed of Iblis!

No difference!

I will tell you a secret:

Trinity is a Pagan idea inserted into the bible. Your God is One absolute being with no son, nothing like Him or comparable to Him.

TenQ:
Do you think by any means I can pronounce the Word YHWH perfectly? YHWH means "I AM!" or "I AM that I AM" meaning the "ONE WHOM ALL CONSISTS IN" or "THE ONE WHO IS SELF EXISTING!"

Thanks be to God that you can read. I cannot even pronounce Allah perfectly but at least I can write it with the Islamic adopted spelling of the transliteration of Allah!

Find another argument!

What is the meaning of the name Allah?

Is it Al-LAH (deity-Lah)?
The old Aramaic name of any Deity is Al- (El-)

Don't forget that
Abdul-LAH is the slave of LAH!
Alhamdulli-LAH is praise be to LAH!

So why are you throwing around YHWH as if you know the correct vowels and the pronunciation, even the Jews don't know the correct pronunciation again.

And how do you know the meaning if you don't know the correct pronunciation?

The meaning of Allah is "The God" Al-ilah. because the Arabic word for deity is ilah and Al is a definite article

Qasim6:
So why are you throwing around YHWH as if you know the correct vowels and the pronunciation, even the Jews don't know the correct pronunciation again.

And how do you know the meaning if you don't know the correct pronunciation?

Because the meaning of YHWH is written down in the Torah for those who can read

Qasim6:
The meaning of Allah is "The God" Al-ilah. because the Arabic word for deity is ilah and Al is a definite article

So, Allah means the God !?
Meaning that it isn't a Name but a Title such as the-chairman, the-president, the-chief or the-pilot!


Is the name of your Father "Daddy"?
Is the name of your Head of State as a Nigerian"President!"?

Such is the ignorance of Islam.


Back to the issue at stake:

Can you show that Allah is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent using the implications of the Taoheed?

Auki:
I will tell you a secret:

Trinity is a Pagan idea inserted into the bible. Your God is One absolute being with no son, nothing like Him or comparable to Him.

Like the Sheep of Animal farm who talk without sense.

Is Allah Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient?
The shocking answer is NO because the Taoheed of Allah is exactly like the Taoheed of Iblis!

TenQ:
Like the Sheep of Animal farm who talk without sense.

Is Allah Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient?
The shocking answer is NO because the Taoheed of Allah is exactly like the Taoheed of Iblis!

you still dey here you go explain tire .

Allah use of Royal "We" exposes him as one who represent another. The kings use Royal "We" because they represent the people.

Steep:
Allah use of Royal "We" exposes him as one who represent another. The kings use Royal "We" because they represent the people.

A dictionary quote this as 'ignorance.'

Kingsempires:
you still dey here you go explain tire .

It's you who cannot explain a thing

Is Allah Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient?

The shocking answer is NO because the Taoheed of Allah is exactly like the Taoheed of Iblis!

TenQ:
It's you who cannot explain a thing

Is Allah Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient?

The shocking answer is NO because the Taoheed of Allah is exactly like the Taoheed of Iblis!

am not against you ooo what I meant is that you and this Muslims were doesn't have the same though or thick because All the explanation you are giving them they are still disagreeing which you what explanation can you give them again at the One understand that's why I said you go explain tire Shea is left from them

Kingsempires:
am not against you ooo what I meant is that you and this Muslims were doesn't have the same though or thick because All the explanation you are giving them they are still disagreeing which you what explanation can you give them again at the One understand that's why I said you go explain tire Shea is left from them

This you have written here needs alot of explanation. Did you just call the Muslims were (Mad)?

Kingsempires:
am not against you ooo what I meant is that you and this Muslims were doesn't have the same though or thick because All the explanation you are giving them they are still disagreeing which you what explanation can you give them again at the One understand that's why I said you go explain tire Shea is left from them

It's normal of them bro!
They don't want to listen nor comprehend but they want to criticise and crucify like blood thirsty leaches

Qasim6:
Yeah, it doesn't imply Islam in your dream

So where is the great nation? what you probably don't know is that genesis 17:20 was God response to Abraham prayer "oh that Ishmael might live before you"

Tell us what Genesis 17:20 implies since you know better and let us know when the prophecy was fulfilled.



The fact that the Arabs and the Jews are at each others throat disprove nothing about Genesis 17:20 nor does it disprove the Jews acknowledging they worship the same God as the Muslims.

Are u now making things up? Where does the Qur'an prescribe fighting and killing the Jews?

Yeah the Torah has been adulterated and Jeremiah 8:8 attested to that.

Unfortunately most Jews believe they worship the same God as the Muslims and this is a fact, and by Jews I mean orthodox Jew and not Zionist, Zionist are majorly non-religious.

Even in their rulings they are allowed to pray in mosques in the absence of synagogue and they wouldn't even enter a church because they consider churches to be a place of Idol worshipping.

If they consider you Christians to be Idol worshippers, and you are claiming to be worshipping YHWH, where do you Christians get your own version of YHWH from?

NB: whatever their beliefs are mean nothing to me as a Muslim.




the person that was asking the question must have had a fore knowledge about what he was asking the prophet. If the answer he received from the Prophet was not satisfactory for him then he wouldn't have became a muslim because he accepted Islam on the spot.



Which Jew disagree that Allah is Yahweh? Jews don't even know the correct pronunciation of the name again and they don't use the name. All these Yahweh, Jehovah are just guess work.

I know fully well Allah is not Yahweh according to the Christians, and I will also agree with you 💯. We don't worship a 3 in 1 God

Q 15:29
When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him(Adam) of MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.”

It is left for you to explain how that particular verse in Gen17vs20 relates to Islam. The preceding verse has God clearly rejecting Ishmael as the son of promise. Or did you not read God's reply to Abraham's prayer? Even in the preceding chapter, the Angel of God blessed the child but predicted his future and none of the prediction has anything to do with establishing a religion. In chapter 21 as well, God explicitly said Isaac is the reckoned son but he will also make of Ishmael a nation and in verse 20 of that same chapter he got a wife and became a "great archer in the wilderness". That is the fulfillment of the prophecy concerning Ishmael. Also note that even Esau was blessed by God in Genesis and he had plenty as recorded in chapter 33. If we are to use your interpretation, one wonders where the religion of Esau is.

I always find it funny that you guys will claim the Bible is adulterated yet you will be seeking validation for your religion from same Bible. Why don't you use your quran to show that the Bible is adulterated instead of claiming lies against Jeremiah?

The Jews have always been against Muhammad from the beginning of his claimed prophethood. That was why he fought them relentlessly. Go and read Quran 9:29 or do you dispute that the People of the Book being referred to are Jews? Khaybar was a strong Jewish town that Muhammad attacked. In fact, all throughout Muhammad's interactions with Jews, they always tested him to disprove his claim and he always failed. He ate the poison of the Khaybar woman and it affected him. He failed the question asked of him as I pointed out. I am not aware of any rulings that permit Jews to pray in mosques. You must have Jews confused with some other people. Jews don't even pray with non-Jews not to mention praying in their shrine. So where will the Jew who prays in a mosque face? Mecca or Jerusalem?

That the Rabbi asked the question does not mean he has the right answer. The answer stays the same regardless of whether the Rabbi knows it or not. Do you also agree with Muhammad that a child resembles the first to reach orgasm among his parents? Tell me pls.

Jews do not use the name Yahweh to call God even from the OT out of reverence to him. Instead they use different appellation such as Elohim, Elshaddai etc because they feel it is disrespectful to call God by his real name just as you will not call your father by his first name. It is a cultural thing and not because they don't know how to call his name. Jews don't use the word "Allah" because they don't believe in it.

If we go with your quranic verse, that means the spirit in man is the spirit of Allah. Do you accept this? That means the spirit of Allah dwells in man?

Steep:
Allah use of Royal "We" exposes him as one who represent another. The kings use Royal "We" because they represent the people.

This is the fact they fail to understand. Even civil leaders like Presidents and Prime Ministers use "We" sometimes when referring to decisions taken by their government. Even business leaders do. Dangote said: "We worked hard to ensure this refinery dream we had came to fruition"

Who had the refinery dream? Was it not Aliko Dangote? Did anyone plan the idea of refinery with him? Yet he used "We" when referring to the plan to build the refinery. That's because he recognises the joint effort of others in bringing it to fruition. These clowns will tell you Dangote used "We" because he was giving himself respect