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MiddleDimension:
The last thread I mentioned you in is not this very one. it is this one: https://www.nairaland.com/8199240/god-loving-why-does-he/4#131783028

As for ''your thread'', you did not share with me the link instead, you went on one of my threads to reply to me.

MaxInDHouse:
https://www.nairaland.com/6589422/study-bible-jehovahs-witnesses

Here you have it and you can also click on my profile name to check all my threads to drop your comments.

Henceforth i will no longer respond to you here.

May you have PEACE!

MiddleDimension:
I suggest you open a new thread and invite me!

MaxInDHouse:
I will never ever open a thread to invite anyone!

If you want to learn about something from JWs invite them into your home when you see them in your neighborhood but if you're not comfortable with people coming to teach you in your own house then it's better you open a thread and invite me.

achorladey:
Continued.......

Disfellowshipping is misappropriated and used as a means of pressure, even against family members, children and those who were minors at the time of their baptism. This not only contradicts the Bible (Mark 2:16, 17, Proverbs 17:17, Isaiah 58:6, 7), but also the Convention on the Rights of the Child, the German Basic Law (Art. 3) and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and has massive consequences for mental health.

We want to be able to gather freely with other Christians without being viewed with suspicion or marginalized (Matt. 18:20, Heb. 10:24, 25).

Nowhere does the Bible mention that Christians should call themselves by the name that God gave to the people of Israel, which significantly does not appear once in the basic Greek text of the New Testament. We want to be witnesses of Jesus and simply be called Christians - as Jesus commanded and as it was also ordained by divine providence (Acts 1:8; 11:26).

The judgement of other people who follow Christ was not given to us, but to angels (Matt. 13:27-30, 39, Mark 9:38-40, Gal. 3:26, Rom. 8:14).

Our salvation does not depend on obedience to mysterious human instructions in the future, but on our personal faith in Jesus (Gal. 3:11, Rom. 14:22, 23, Acts 16:31). Salvation does not come by performance, but by grace alone (Eph. 2:8-9, Rom. 3:27-28; 10:2-4).

We do not believe that God guides us by progressive error, but by truth (1 John 1:5). According to the Bible, truth is not found in a plethora of books, magazines and special teachings that change regularly, but in Jesus himself (John 14:6).

We believe that contact with other worldviews is not dangerous, but enriching. Proven faith is, according to the Bible, as lasting as gold (1 Peter 1:7). It has nothing in common with a soap bubble that threatens to burst at the slightest touch.

We believe that education, art, culture, the free development of the personality and sufficient free time are not detrimental to faith, but rather conducive to it. We are convinced that knowledge is always better than ignorance - and freedom is always better than coercion.

We do not believe that a symbol is more sacred to God than what it stands for. Consequently, blood is not more sacred than the lives of our children. In emergency situations, we therefore follow Jesus' example of mercy (Matt. 12:7-12).

We want our children to grow up in an environment where the focus is not on terms such as Armageddon, Gog of Magog, Babylon the Great, overlapping generation, Governing Body or years, but on love (1 Cor. 13:2, 13).

We believe that unconditional love should be the essence of every family and every Christian (Prov. 17:17, 1 Cor. 13:2).

We want our children to be able to talk about their personal faith and doubts at any time without making themselves suspicious or being afraid of being ostracized by their family.

Our experience in recent years has shown us that this is not possible with Jehovah's Witnesses. We therefore hereby declare that we no longer wish to be known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

We ask for written confirmation.

Emusan:
WHoever wrote this captured the whole Watchtower delusion in one page!

achorladey:
The beginning of the letter.....



Dear Elders,

We are making this public statement because certain circumstances among Jehovah's Witnesses have become unacceptable to us. Even if our family has fortunately not yet been affected by it, child abuse is more than just "serious wrongdoing" or a "spiritual sickness". It cannot simply be repented of and "handled" by talking to elders who have no psychological training whatsoever. Pedophilia is a serious mental disorder. The main issue is not whether the perpetrator can be forgiven or not, but whether further cases can be prevented. It is unacceptable for the protection of offenders to take precedence over the protection of victims and for the "privacy" of a potential offender to outweigh the welfare of children. In such cases, elders must not be "primarily concerned with maintaining the sanctity of God’s name", as if HE could not do that Himself. Instead, they should attend to their duties for the good of the flock (1 Pe. 5:2, 1 Tim. 6:20). "The responsibility to protect children from harm" cannot simply be shifted to "the parents" alone (for quotes see w19 May, pp. 8-13).

It is common knowledge that child abuse hardly ever happens in the presence of other witnesses, and it is also obvious that the biblical two-witness rule was never intended for such cases. Nevertheless, it is still used today as an explanation as to why elders do not pass on the names of perpetrators to the authorities or make them known in the congregation. There are indeed biblical principles that come much closer to the facts of the case and do not require two witnesses (Deut. 22:23-27, Ex. 21:29).

The cases of abuse in churches are extensively denounced in our publications. However, not a word is said about the cases in our own ranks. In contrast to the churches, Jehovah's Witnesses have not commissioned any independent studies to investigate the cases. While the Pope has publicly apologized for the suffering caused, nothing of the sort has happened on the part of the governing body. The fines totaling millions have been concealed from the members.

In 2015, it became known that the Australian branch of Jehovah's Witnesses had records of alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse. This information became part of a major government commission of enquiry. The findings of the Australian Royal Commission (ARC) are staggering:

At least 1,800 victims, 1,006 perpetrators and 579 confessions. 28 people were appointed as elders or ministerial assistants despite the allegations. Nevertheless, the commission concluded that NOT A SINGLE CASE was reported to the authorities. Elders were even instructed by the legal department of the branch office to destroy records that could have been used as evidence. The final report sharply criticized the lack of transparency and the existing structures at Jehovah's Witnesses. (Royal Commission: "Case Study 29: Jehovah's Witnesses". See under "Submission" the document "Submissions on behalf of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia", pp. 20-22, sections 2.1 and 2.2)

However, the Governing Body subsequently refused to publicly apologize to the victims and to pay into the Australian National Redress Scheme for victims of abuse. While over 500 organizations had already contributed to this fund, six were publicly reprimanded by the Australian government for refusing to do so, including Jehovah's Witnesses. It was only when the government threatened to withdraw their charitable status that the organization relented.

But although even Geoffrey Jackson of the Governing Body testified under oath before the Commission and the videos of this were made available to everyone by the authorities, the Governing Body does not say a word about this in its monthly broadcasts, so that hardly any Jehovah's Witnesses are likely to be aware of these abuses. Instead, JW Broadcasting prefers to report on bushfires under the keyword "Australia". After the scandal became public, the Watchtower immediately called on the faithful: "Loyally support the leadership (...) when faced with what appear to be damaging attacks by apostates or other such deceivers of the mind​ - however plausible their charges may seem. " (w17 July, p. 30). The charges are indeed very serious. However, the judges of the Royal Commission are certainly not deceivers. But instead of endeavoring to clarify the situation, the legal department prefers to sue victims' associations, as recently happened in Spain (AEVTJ, Madrid).

Emusan:
Like I always say, Watchtower can only deceive innocent people and those who really don't know to them to the core.

Even though the[b] “great crowd” is growing larger all the time[/b] and the remnant of the “little flock” of anointed followers of Christ is getting smaller in numbers, yet there is complete unity. And those of the growing crowd have not tried to use their greater numbers to gain prominence in the organization. By their loyalty and obedience to Jehovah’s theocratic arrangement through the congregation, those of the “great crowd” show the greatest respect for the dwindling group of anointed ones.

What does the Bible actually tell us with regard to this? Well it doesn't say the number would dwindle down to just having a few older ones left. No, the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with Christ's Brothers.

So up until now we have assumed these 10 Kings represent all the political powers and governments in the World at the moment. That they did this during the last days by supporting first of all, the league of nations and then the UN.

fools the GB are and even bigger fools are those that follow them.

They are saying now that they need to adjust their understanding/make a change, based on actually reading what the verses say.

If JWs actually read the Bible and followed what it said instead of what the WTS/GB say, then they would have known all along what the verses said.

achorladey:
Even in reading what the verse say they can't help but speculate and assume it revolve around a grand fraud that showed up +/- 150 years masquerading as Jehovah's organization


In the final analysis hook or crook two new governing body member inclusion must be defended

achorladey:
Deception starts from saying I am not like them........

Nevertheless there was great danger in what Russell was doing. In The Watch Tower of January 1913 he wrote: “We pause not to inquire what
Brother Calvin or Brother Wesley taught, nor what others taught before
them or since. We go back to the teachings of Christ and the apostles
and prophets, and ignore every other teaching.

Deception simply because all the esthacology, date setting, prediction and prophesies about Jesus return is not of christ Apostles and prophets




True, all denominations claim more or less to do this, but they are more or less handicapped by their traditions and creeds. They look through colored spectacles. We ignore all those and strive to view the words of inspiration in the light of context only, or in the reflected light from other passages of Scripture.”43 In fact, he was practising self-deception on a grand scale, and Bible Students, as much as anyone, were looking through “colored spectacles.” As Timothy White says: “His comments became for many like the creeds he so despised


Grand deception

MiddleDimension:
Maybe @MaxInDHouse

MaxInDHouse:
You wish to play hide and seek nah so continue since you're not interested in facing reality. I told you to come over to my own thread and ask any questions you have in mind but instead you choose to continue with Ex-jws.
Of course after leaving God's organization they can't say anything good about Jehovah's Witnesses yet they will never ever find a better performing group as a replacement for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION that i am assuring you. John 6:63-68

MiddleDimension:
I will find time to write on the Watchtower teaching that the suffering in hell Jesus mentioned when he said there will be gnashing of teeth, is actually a conscious living suffering. Maybe @MaxInDHouse will be humble enough to see that his organization got it wrong with the ''there is no hell'' doctrine.

I do hope that by then, he won't try to dance galala around the facts like he does in the debate about polygamy being of Jehovah.

Of course after leaving God's organization they can't say anything good about Jehovah's Witnesses

yet they will never ever find a better performing group as a replacement for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION that i am assuring you.

John 6:63

achorladey:
The bold is the main problem. [b]Wearing beards all of a sudden becomes acceptable [/b]and they were all looking for ways to defend their GODS of men housed in USA why they are now ready to wear beards even when those ones cannot find one reason it was outlawed and frowned upon.

MiddleDimension:
@bolded

I was going to say that as well.

the very fact they have made a U-turn, shows they have admitted they can be wrong sometimes and the very fact they made a U-turn, shows they can change. This should make the @MaxInDHouse a bit more open to other ideas to at least consider them and not try to dance galala around the issue asking very bad questions; questions he knows are terrible.

I understand he may not be able to accept things especially when they are different fron what he has always believed. I don't expect him to take them immediately; afterall, he has been believing all he believes all through his life. But for a start, when he sees a very good point being made, he should at least say ''ummm, that's a good point even though I cannot accept it (yet). I still have to ask questions around and find out more until I am satisfied''. That's a good attitude to have.

The same goes for @SirTee15 @DTruthspeker @StillDTruth et al.

It is good to ask such questions, and it is important that you do not give up until you find satisfying, reliable answers

But for a start, when he sees a very good point being made, he should at least say ''ummm, that's a good point even though I cannot accept it (yet). I still have to ask questions around and find out more until I am satisfied''. That's a good attitude to have.

MaxInDHouse:
I am a PRACTICING WITNESS OF JEHOVAH.

The thread is for FORMER JWs.

Do you understand now?