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Explore2xmore:
It's wrong to think all African ancestors were idolaters.

There were indeed ancient Africans who worshipped God amidst idolators. These individuals or groups often faced challenges due to cultural pressures but managed to maintain their faith through various means such as oral traditions, rituals focused on their understanding of God, and community support.

So are you saying the call to Salat doesn't really matter in such places since they're already on the right path?

MaxInDHouse:
Our ancestors left idols to welcome books from foreigners doesn't inherently validate or invalidate the truth of the doctrines of their newly found faith it merely reflects a change in their personal beliefs!

Does the departure of a former Jehovah’s Witness who joins another organization inherently validate or invalidate the doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses?

In other words, does a person’s shift in allegiance reflect on the truthfulness or accuracy of the teachings of any organization, or is it more indicative of individual perspectives and experiences rather than the inherent truth of the doctrine itself?

Petalss:
Does the departure of a former Jehovah’s Witness who joins another organization inherently validate or invalidate the doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses?
In other words, does a person’s shift in allegiance reflect on the truthfulness or accuracy of the teachings of any organization, or is it more indicative of individual perspectives and experiences rather than the inherent truth of the doctrine itself?

God is not speaking to people directly rather He uses humans to correct humans when the need arises.
So instead of thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses why not use what you're familiar with?
For instance:
Does the departure of Muhammad who left the religion of those in Mecca to start Islam inherently validate or invalidate the doctrines of Islam?

MaxInDHouse:
Please explain what your Allah consider unjust killing.

Is it permissible from the standpoint of your Allah that Muslims kill Muslims due to political or ethnic conflicts?

If yes is your answer please is your Allah the Creator of all the nations?
Does your Allah view himself as the SUPREME RULER over all Muslims?

Please i need answers to these questions! [/quote]Murder (killing a person deliberately), if the victim is a believer, is one of the greatest of major sins. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him” [al-Nisa 493]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“A man will continue to be sound in his religion so long as he does not shed blood which it is forbidden to shed.”

And if you were a truly a Muslim before you should know that Allah is the Rabb of all that exists!

AntiChristian:
Murder (killing a person deliberately), if the victim is a believer, is one of the greatest of major sins. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him” [al-Nisa 493]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“A man will continue to be sound in his religion so long as he does not shed blood which it is forbidden to shed.”

And if you were a truly a Muslim before you should know that Allah is the Rabb of all that exists!

So are you saying all those soldiers from Iraq and Iraq are not real Muslims for killing their fellow believers?

Emusan:
This is the point I'm making which you failed to UNDERSTAND.

No PERFECT example can be put forth by MAN to explain Trinity the moment there's PERFECT EXAMPLE means those things set as example are ACTUALLY GOD TOO.

The idea is to let you know how MULTIPLE THINGS CAN CO-EXIST which you can't deny.

Multiple can coexist but they won't keep their roles! Of course there can't be any concrete example of a working trinitarian process as any unfounded model ever invented!

Bit you get the point Trinitarians are putting forth.

If those things A PERSON they can stand on THEIR OWN.

So the analogy fails. If they are persons where one can die but the other two can't die. One can become human while the other two can't. Sin against one may not be forgiven while the sins against the other two can be forgiven. How can they still be one?

The basics is the idea which you have pointed out.

Trinity fits into it because THEY BOTH coexist and individual can be called the same NAME.

You're not wrong if you feel the heat and say THE SUN IS HOT today or you set your eyes on the bright light and say the SUN is TOO bright today.

In trinity the Father is God, Son is God and Spirit is God! This is not true in the Sun! The totality is the Sun! But the heat can be reproduced and it won't be called Sun! The Gasses too! And the Gasses ≠ the Heat ≠ Sun!

Yes, the Sun is too bright or hot may be correct as heat and brightness are direct result of the processes in the Sun's core!

No! Ratio means EQUAL PART NOT limitation.

If that should be PERSONS it means COEXIST, EQUAL AND self-conscious.

The idea is how to picture Trinity not TRINITY in its TRUE FORM.

This is just simple thing to grab!

Where does the ratio comes from, i mean how are they three Gods equal from the Bible?
How does 1:1:1 = 1 makes "Trinity"?

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying all those soldiers from Iraq and Iraq are not real Muslims for killing their fellow believers?

Allah will be the Judge not me!

I only said what you ought to have known when you were a Muslim.

If you don't know it back then some so-called Muslims too may not know it!

Many are ignorant everywhere!

MaxInDHouse:
Updates is the best thing that could happen to any group of worshipers since you're not seeing the God you claim to worship physically you only rely on what was written in a book which neither you nor those teaching you knew those who wrote it.

So UPDATES on the application of what is written will help you a lot!

Like monthly or quarterly software updates?

Sorry!

AntiChristian:
Allah will be the Judge not me!
I only said what you ought to have known when you were a Muslim.
If you don't know it back then some so-called Muslims too may not know it!
Many are ignorant everywhere!

Of course the true God is the judge not you not me but one thing is sure:

If you're always here speaking against another religion and their God what is the essence when those in your own religion don't even know what it means to be real wordhipers of your own God?

You supposed to watch the INSIDE not fighting with the OUTSIDE when the INSIDE is filled with maggots! Matthew 23:27-28

MaxInDHouse:
God is not speaking to people directly rather He uses humans to correct humans when the need arises.
So instead of thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses why not use what you're familiar with?
For instance:
Does the departure of Muhammad who left the religion of those in Mecca to start Islam inherently validate or invalidate the doctrines of Islam?

First and foremost, Muhammad did not engage in the practices of the polytheists. Although Jews and Christians were present in Mecca, they were in the minority.

From an Islamic perspective, Muhammad's departure from Mecca is viewed as a crucial turning point in the founding of a new, divinely inspired religion. Muslims believe that Muhammad was selected by God to bring forth the final revelation to humanity. This belief underscores the view that the teachings of Islam are both valid and complete, representing the culmination and perfection of previous monotheistic religion.

AntiChristian:
Like monthly or quarterly software updates?
Sorry!

Do you agree with updates whenever it's necessary or you're against it simply because you don't want outsiders to think you're not perfect with your religion?

Petalss:
First and foremost, Muhammad did not engage in the practices of the polytheists.

Please when did Muhammad begin preaching against polytheism, from childhood or after Gabriel appeared to him?

Even Abraham was a polytheist before God called him out from among those polytheists! Joshua 24:2

So please don't start lying now it will not help anyone!

AntiChristian:
They are bigots and hypocrites! They have pastors involved in rape, sexual immorality, rituals, etc but it's only Muslims' they emphasize!

Their hypocrisy stinks to high heaven, whenever a Muslim misbehave, yeah it is Islam.

But when a Christian misbehave, yeah it's the individual.

MaxInDHouse:
Please when did Muhammad begin preaching against polytheism, from childhood or after Gabriel appeared to him?

Even Abraham was a polytheist before God called him out from among those polytheists! Joshua 24:2

So please don't start lying now it will not help anyone!

You should provide a proof Muhammad was a polytheist before the revelation.

Maybe Abraham in your Bible was a polytheist oo, I do not know. You can provide a proof for that too.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree with updates whenever it's necessary or you're against it simply because you don't want outsiders to think you're not perfect with your religion?

Updates in religion is what we call innovations! This is forbidden!

The way we pray the 5 daily Salah for example is fixed! If someone where to increase Subhi from 2 rakah to 3, Muslims would reject such innovation!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course the true God is the judge not you not me but one thing is sure:

If you're always here speaking against another religion and their God what is the essence when those in your own religion don't even know what it means to be real wordhipers of your own God?

You supposed to watch the INSIDE not fighting with the OUTSIDE when the INSIDE is filled with maggots! Matthew 23:27-28

There are many teachers and many styles of teaching! This is my style and i have my audience!
Others have the Muslims covered!

And Muslims are advised to seek knowledge themselves and not be ignorant as you were back then!

AntiChristian:
There are many teachers and many styles of teaching! This is my style and i have my audience!
Others have the Muslims covered!

And Muslims are advised to seek knowledge themselves and not be ignorant as you were back then!

The knowledge that lets dem bang 9 year olds or even less


Alhamdulilah

AmalaAtiEwedu:
The knowledge that lets dem bang 9 year olds or even less


Alhamdulilah

Irrelevant

AmalaAtiEwedu:
The knowledge that lets dem bang 9 year olds or even less


Alhamdulilah

Yeah same knowledge your dad and mum used to birth you ezi!

AntiChristian:
Yeah same knowledge your dad and mum used to birth you ezi!

Defender of the paedophile

AmalaAtiEwedu:
Defender of the paedophile

Open a trend for that

Petalss:
Open a trend for that

They won’t teach you this in almajiri school.
It is thread NOT trend

AntiChristian:
You call yourselves Christians when Christ doesn't even know that name!
Names do matter! Islam and Muslims were given by Allah! And our Prophet was the first of Muslims of his time!
The ignorant one is clear in this thread!

Your IQ is seemingly low to discuss issues on a public fora like this

Do you know that original meaning of Islam is ' surrender' that is by force. Today, that jihad is not popular, your people resort to terrorism to act out the real meaning of Islam. This was proven by Mohammed himself.

AmalaAtiEwedu:
They won’t teach you this in almajiri school.
It is thread NOT trend

Mr Professor.
You can begin to correct every mistakes on this forum. Anyways thank you for the correction.

However, I will call your attention to this: To err is inherently human, while perfection is a divine attribute reserved for God.

Petalss:
Mr Professor.
You can begin to correct every mistakes on this forum. Anyways thank you for the correction.

However, I will call you attention to this: To err is inherently human, while perfection is a divine attribute reserved for God.

To fvck 72 virgins is divine.

Alhamdulilah

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying the call to Salat doesn't really matter in such places since they're already on the right path?

You sound like without a loud call to salat the prayer is invalid. If the few Muslims call themselves individually within their localty is it wrong?

How exactly does the call to prayer translate to being on the right path?

It seems you just want to put up a response

AmalaAtiEwedu:
To fvck 72 virgins is divine.

Alhamdulilah

Hallelujah

Petalss:
Hallelujah

Ameen

AntiChristian:
Where did Muhammad say Allah sent him to annihilate Jews and Christians?

There were Jews in Makkah and Madinah where the Prophet lived. Did he annihilate all of them?

Show me verses like these:

If anyone sacrifices to any god other than the LORD alone, he must be set apart for destruction. Exodus 22:20

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, the gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.
Instead, you must surely kill him. Your hand must be the first against him to put him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Deuteronomy 13:6-9

Olodo osi!

Did Mohammad recognize the God of the Jews? Did the Jews know God by the name Allah?

No.
Why then did Mohammad say they should kill, oppress Jews and Christians because both did not understand an Allah that was not known to them. An Allah who was the chief idol of the people of Mecca.
Surah is understood by your brothers in its original meaning. The Boko Haram, Taliban, ISIS, Bandits, Uthman Dan Fodio, Alimi of Ilorin etc. That was why they unleashed and are unleashing terror on the people all over.

Anyway the only prophecy of Ishmael in the Bible in Genesis is being fulfilled.

Petalss:
Please do not misquote me. You misunderstood the question I asked him. I hope he understands what I was asking about.

I hope he understands also.
You too are you ready to kill idolaters in the name of Allah?

MightySparrow:
I hope he understands also.
You too are you ready to kill idolaters in the name of Allah?

I am ready when you are ready.

Petalss:
You should provide a proof Muhammad was a polytheist before the revelation.
Maybe Abraham in your Bible was a polytheist oo, I do not know. You can provide a proof for that too.

The proof is before everyone because if he was not worshiping with polytheists from his infancy he could have been killed so it makes sense that Islam came into the setting after Gabriel appeared to him!