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gohf:
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gohf:
changing which question, oga stop hiding under false pretext.

I have read some of your responses and you either do not know the Holy Spirit not to speak of having him in your life.

gohf:
this is the same error written in rccg Sunday Sunday 8th September

John wrote in Him, God, was life Jesus that is light

John came to testify about the light Jesus

Did you not see an exclamation mark at the end of what Thomas said my Lord my God! Thomas made an exclamation not a statement

Paul never called Jesus God, he mention great God and our saviour Jesus Christ two different persons same with Peter in 2 Peter 1:1

This is what Paul wrote 1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 1Cor.15.28 When everything and everyone is finally under God's rule, the Son will step down, taking his place with everyone else, showing that God's rule is absolutely comprehensive--a perfect ending!

This is exactly happens in Revelation

Gabrielshow24:
"Step down" - He whose Kingdom is forever!!

Gabrielshow24:
That's rather harsh!

I don't know whatsoever that must've been said but my opinion is -
JESUS IS GOD

And the above is subject to understanding!

Iamanoited:
FOLLOWING THE CONCEPT OF SEPARATION, DIVISION OF SPIRIT AND SPECIALISATION, CHRIST IS CHARACTER, THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. GOD IS WISDOM, TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.

gohf:
harsh? I didn't even call him a viper like John or say woe to him like Jesus would have.

You said subject to understanding? Who's understanding?

Your opinion is that Jesus is God, does the truth agree with your opinion, is your opinion the subject of your understanding?

Gabrielshow24:
I can likewise show from scripture that Jesus is God

gohf:
changing which question, oga stop hiding under false pretext.

I have read some of your responses and you either do not know the Holy Spirit not to speak of having him in your life.

Steep:
The spirit in you is a lying spirit deceiving you. May God have mercy on you.

Steep:
The father is greater than Jesus in position based on the fact that Jesus took a lower position (Phil. 2:7) not in his divine essence which is same with the father.

Steep:
You don't see the contradiction in your statement. How can the Jehovah be the only true God and yet there are other smaller ditties?
If the Jehovah is the only true God does that not make every other god a false god?

Oga,No contradiction except in your imagination
Deuteronomy 10:17 (compare Joshua 22:22)
For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.

Oga Steep, is there the word "false" in the Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 10:17?
No

Jehovah the only true God is the God of gods.
His sons are gods, Psalms 82:6.

Jehovah's sons are gods.
Matthew 4:8-10, do NOT worship his sons.
Oga, You are making unreasonable argument in a futile bid to circumvent the holy scriptures.

Kingsempires:
Oga no border yourself i don caught them if your see what i wrote up there You will see i don caught them

Kingsempires:
Anybody that is using the bible and saying Jesus is not God am sorry for that person.what was john 13:31 explaining?

Oga,You want pretend as if John 7;16 & John 14:24 & John 17:4-5,22 is missing from your Bible.

For instance, your Son you sent was glorified (applauded) for his diligence and obedience, are you his Father glorified that you have a diligent and obedient son?
John chapter 17 verses 4 to 5 & verse 22 , Jesus Christ did not support your faulty claim.
The same glory is for Jesus, the disciples and God our Father. Nah Jesus talk am. John 17:4-5,22.

Steep:
How can God be created? Are you hearing yourself

Kingsempires:
They can't answer the question because they know that they are contradict the bible if jesus was the first creation that is why the bible call him first born son.so why did God say he will make david the first born son so they are trying to tell me that God has two first born sons.i am waiting for their answer

Kingsempires:
:oLike i ask on this thread are you jws under christianity or another religion or your own.the bible called Jesus first-born son\col 1:15/and let me caught you now i know so christian have not come across this part in the bible.psa89:26-27 :he will sayto me,you are my father and my God;youare my protector and saviour(27)i will make him my firstborn son,the greatest of all kings.so my other question to jws is that if you people say that Jesus was created because the bible mention that he is the first-born son.so why did God say to david that he will make him the firstborn son?i don't know whether you jws have come across this part in the bible.so please give me a clear answer.mat28:19 go,then,toall people everywhere and make them my disciples baptize them in the name of the father...

Oga, second born and last born would not be creatures ,going by your faulty logic about first born
Is the first born of every child,a child?
Yes.
Jesus the first born of every creature is a creature.


From Genesis to Revelation,did your own Bible use the term "BORN" to reference God our Father?
No !

Jesus is first born of God, Hebrew 1:5.
Eve the woman is last born of God @1 Corinthians 11:3, The hierarchy is there in your Bible.
Psalm 90:2 God BORN the mountains.
Born (Hebrew yalad) @ Psalms 90:2 meaning create.

Janosky:
Oga, second born and last born would not be creatures ,going by your faulty logic about first born
Is the first born of every child,a child?
Yes.
Jesus the first born of every creature is a creature.


From Genesis to Revelation,did your own Bible use the term "BORN" to reference God our Father?
No !

Jesus is first born of God, Hebrew 1:5.
Eve the woman is last born of God @1 Corinthians 11:3, The hierarchy is there in your Bible.
Psalm 90:2 God BORN the mountains.
Born (Hebrew yalad) @ Psalms 90:2 meaning create.

Gabrielshow24:
And yet at the very end the creatures of God are told to worship God and his lamb 👀.

Hebrews states that "the son" made the foundations of the world and everything is the works of his hand.

And yet your hypocrisy when it's revealed to you that this personality,Christ can never be a creature reveals it self.

Christ predates time, he is himself stating that.
What you are suffering is the classic case of
"Mo iya esho ju esho lo"

This is when someone thinks he knows God more than Jesus when it's clearly stated otherwise!

Jesus is the way the truth and the life!

Captain4Jehovah:
It's truly JESUS IS NOT GOD, YAHWEH, the Father of all! When we refer to distinctive personality, He is the ONLY true GOD.

However, I wrote earlier on this platform that the word "God" is a family name used for all supernatural forces, spirits not exclusively Satan and demons_all are Gods. Any being, including man that one aspires to reach at all cost, reverences and worships with awe and who has authority over one is a god. Consider Genesis 3:5; Ex 4:16; John 10:34, 20:28
If we come to creation, Jesus is a God as his Father for sharing His Divinity_he has eternity, he can give life for in him is life.

gohf:
worship God and His lamb

Only one God mentioned not two, and He owns the Lamb

gohf:
being like God and being God are two different things

Moses was LIKE God to pharaoh, a representative of God to him. We understand that phrase in Hebrew text for Exodus 7:1 as meaning as God, or do you want to say that Moses was Elohim to Pharaoh means Moses is an Elohim or a Elohim.



Being a god is an afront to the true God, ye are gods but you shall die men, Jesus only confessed to be the son of God but never God, it's the devil that claims and desires to be God and claims to be god of this world.

sons of God are all under God
those who claim to be gods are in rebellion and will perish.

being like God and being God are two different things

Moses was LIKE God to pharaoh, a representative of God to him. We understand that phrase in Hebrew text for Exodus 7:1 as meaning as God, or do you want to say that Moses was Elohim to Pharaoh means Moses is an Elohim or a Elohim.

Being a god is an afront to the true God, ye are gods but you shall die men, Jesus only confessed to be the son of God but never God, it's the devil that claims and desires to be God and claims to be god of this world.

sons of God are all under God
those who claim to be gods are in rebellion and will perish.

Gabrielshow24:
Witty but that is for God to say.

Even the son acknowledges the Father.
The truth of the matter lies in th fact that he is the fullness of God.

As far as scriptures is concerned the lamb is your Lord, and all things have been given to him.

The Father does no judgement save the son!

You bypassing the son to go to the Father is like treading in the lane of Korah.

Also according to Hebrews you're part of the work of his hands!

Captain4Jehovah:
It's truly JESUS IS NOT GOD, YAHWEH, the Father of all! When we refer to distinctive personality, He is the ONLY true GOD.

However, I wrote earlier on this platform that the word "God" is a family name used for all supernatural forces, spirits not exclusively Satan and demons_all are Gods. Any being, including man that one aspires to reach at all cost, reverences and worships with awe and who has authority over one is a god. Consider Genesis 3:5; Ex 4:16; John 10:34, 20:28
If we come to creation, Jesus is a God as his Father for sharing His Divinity_he has eternity, he can give life for in him is life.

Emusan:
TRINITARIAN HAVE THE TRUTH IS THE KEY WORK.

Where did scripture say Jesus is the ONLY ONE EVER CALLED ARCHANGEL MICHAEL?

Kingsempires:
If the early christians were trinitarian so were is all this confusion coming from

Emusan:
The most critical part is what you left and address another thing.

Look @color parts, that is what you are missing.

Mal 3:1 ...prepare the was BEFORE ME....
Isa 40:3 ....making the dessert highway for OUR GOD...

John the Baptist fulfilled the part of preparing the WAY while Jesus is the one who fulfilled BEFORE ME AND OUR GOD.

Do you now understand?

I am a liar!

John 5:22 "Furthermore, the Father does not judge[ao] anyone, but has assigned[ap] all judgment to the Son"

I have lied against God, His word and the Holy spirit.

Yahweh of the Old Testament promised to COME either God lied or He has come.

Who are you to decide who hardened his/her heart?

So, when the same Isa called God MIGHTY GOD SHOWS God might not be 'Almighty' or God later became Almighty at a point.

Yes! You're contradicting yourself.

If Jesus is called MIGHTY GOD and Old Testament also called God MIGHTY GOD it means there are TWO MIGHTY GODS.



Where did I make this claim?



And who said Jesus called Himself the Father?



Where did I lie against Jesus?

Secondly, I can't remember where I said you know Jesus FULLY.

I only said if your CLAIMED YOU KNOW HIM FULLY then it means you're the Father because according to Jesus Himself, you can't know Him fully except the Father.



Show me where I accused you.



So it's me that is quoting scripture WRONGLY right

Whenever you see them making this type of claim it's evident they know their own interpretation don get K-leg.

Kingsempires:
If the early christians were trinitarian so were is all this confusion coming from

gohf:
God, Elohim YHVH, is not a family name and jesus is not God

Captain4Jehovah:
Limited understanding! We speak what we have seen, what we have heard!

gohf:
Jesus Christ is Lord!.... but he is not God, indeed he is king and divine but he isn't God.

The basis of true faith is to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and not that Jesus Christ is God.

Matt.16.15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Matt.16.16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Matt.16.17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Jesus himself said, John 14:28, "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I."

Demons did not call Jesus God, even though they are lying spirits whose accounts we shouldn't believe Luke.8.28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, "What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!"


Then what about an angel, Gabriel who had visited Daniel who then visited Mary and said to her,
Luke.1.31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
Luke.1.32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.


There is the Lord Jesus and the Lord God... Ps.110.1 The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."

Some even say that the name of Jesus which is higher than every other name is higher than the name of the Father. Not even consider that a son bears his father's name.

Let me use an easier translation so we don't speak too many words, what did Paul say
1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
1Cor.15.28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

This was Paul who Phil.2.9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,... Jesus did not give himself a name, it was God the Father that gave him a name.

When John writes about testing every spirit, prophecy to verify genuine prophets from false prophets he wrote
1John.4.2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
1John.4.3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


The question now is what can you call a person or a spirit that says Jesus is God, for God is spirit revealed by Jesus himself but we are to believe that Jesus came in the flesh and is currently resurrected in his body at the right hand of the Father.

The devil is an author of confusion that is why those who are confused claim to be spiritual and that things of the spirit cannot be understood even when John, Jesus, Isaiah affirmed that the spirit gives understanding. How can Jesus be at the right-hand of himself.

You who believe such are the reason why the truth of God is held in contempt as the world views you as being to gullible to believe every nonsense you hear. And the true believers see you as a child tossed to and fro by strange doctrines born out of the imaginations of men.


I who have met the real Jesus testify to you that Jesus and the Father are not the same, yes they are one because they are united as a husband and wife are one in unity but not the same in personality or person.

Jesus is the word of God, and he is divine, the very manifestation of God's word full of grace and truth but he is not God the speaker. He himself testifies of God the Father, as the one who sent him, as the one who testifies of him the son, as the one who does the works.

If Jesus is God he would reveal himself as God and not have to humble himself to God who is above and above all, revealing God the father. Jesus is divine because he is like God, having the likeness of God but the in the image of man to bear our sins.

This post is to reveal who Jesus is, the real Jesus sent by the Father, that those who listen and obey him will be saved. This is the spirit of prophecy, the testimony of Jesus. Blessed is he who understands and sees him.

HolinesstodLord:
Please repent of your heresy. Don’t twist scripture to your own destruction as brother Peter warned. God is one. To say Jesus is not God is like saying your body is not you.