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AntiChristian:
It didn't stop the Jews from killing themselves!

It never stopped Christians from doing the crusades and revolution!

So?

Is that the reason Sunni is killing Shia?

MightySparrow:
Is that the reason Sunni is killing Shia?

is that true

MightySparrow:
I think you are reading a different Quran from the Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Taliban....

In any case, they consider you as an infidel.
You better go and get the real Quran.

Lol
The joke is on you. You can provide me the real Quran.

Petalss:
I never claimed that all religions worship the same God. What I specifically stated is that Muslims, Christians, and Jews worship the same God.
While you may disagree with this, the reality is that these three faiths all call upon the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses.
These religious traditions share a common foundation in their belief in the one God who revealed Himself through these figures central to their faiths.

Jesus is the central figure of Christianity not Abraham. The reality is the Islamic God and Christian God are not the same.

While the three religions differ in their theology and practices, they share a belief in the same God as the God of Abraham. The distinction arises more in how they understand God's nature and relationship with humanity.

It seems you don't know the meaning of theology. The analogy I gave to you, already answered you.

AntiChristian:
Why did God send his son to die?

There could have been other options, who choose death for the son?

To take the place of guilty humans so they don't get condemned.

Olorun Eledumare (Ayeraye ) is a Spirit. His begotten child is simply his visible manifestation.

Anyways, like I previously stated, whether a person says 1 in 3 or 1 in 5, it shouldn't be anyone's business to begin with, as long as the person is not a criminal such as terrorist, pedophile etc📌

What Olodumare (Ayeraye) expects from humans is integrity/righteousness and also making use of their intelligent creativity to improve, invent and civilize their community for the better, just like his visible manifestation (the begotten child) had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world 💥

Kingsempires:
okoooo!!!!

This is why i find it hard to agree with you that all those claiming Christians are followers of Christ Jesus.
If it's hard for you to gladly welcome what Jesus said how do you expect me to count you as one of his disciples?

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i find it hard to agree with you that all those claiming Christians are followers of Christ Jesus.
If it's hard for you to gladly welcome what Jesus said how do you expect me to count you as one of his disciples?

Sha I said okoo!!

Steep:
Jesus is the central figure of Christianity not Abraham. The reality is the Islamic God and Christian God are not the same.

It seems you don't know the meaning of theology. The analogy I gave to you, already answered you.

Same way the Christian God = Jesus is different from the True Christian God ≠ Jesus.

AntiChristian:
Read the hadith below well and see how a slave expresses Islam better than you about 1400 years ago!

It was Narrated by Mu'awiyah b. al-Hakam al-Sulami:

I said: Messenger of Allah, I have a slave girl whom I slapped. This grieved the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). I said to him: Should I not emancipate her? He said: Bring her to me. He said: Then I brought her. He asked: Where is Allah ? She replied: In the heaven. He said: Who am I ? She replied: You are the Messenger of Allah. He said: Emancipate her, she is a believer.

Grade: Sahih

Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 3282
In-book reference : Book 22, Hadith 41
English translation : Book 21, Hadith 3276

So in summary, Allah physically is not present on earth! He is present everywhere by His absolute knowledge! This was known to a bond woman and not you with all your Google and tech today!

Is that Allah or not...

All those stories you post means nothing...

As long as that moon crescent is there, I have equated Allah to the moon God Nanna/sin. He is definitely up there. He is the god of darkness. Which Christian know as the devil. ..that is the only one I can make. I sincerely doubt that Allah is Marduk. The only equivalent is Nanna.

Kingsempires:
Sha I said okoo!!

It's alright!

AntiChristian:
The concept of the Trinity—the Christian doctrine that defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—has been explained through various analogies and theological frameworks. Here’s a summary of some of the best ways it has been explained, along with the corresponding impediments to each explanation:

1.Water Analogy
Explanation: Water can exist in three states: liquid, ice, and steam. Each state is fundamentally water yet manifests differently.
Impediment: This analogy leans towards modalism, suggesting that God merely changes forms rather than existing simultaneously in three persons.

2.Triangular Analogy
Explanation: A triangle has three sides and is one shape. Each side represents a person of the Trinity, unified as one entity.
Impediment: This can imply that the persons of the Trinity are merely parts of a whole, which can lead to a misunderstanding of the distinctiveness and co-equality of the three persons.

3.Roles of a Person Analogy
Explanation: A person can be a parent, a child, and a sibling simultaneously, showcasing different roles while remaining one person.
Impediment: This analogy risks falling into partialism or modalism as well, blurring the lines of individual personhood within the Trinity.

4.Sun Analogy
Explanation: The sun represents the Father, its light represents the Son, and heat represents the Holy Spirit. All are aspects of the same source.
Impediment: This analogy can imply that the Son and the Holy Spirit are not fully divine as they are merely emanations from the Father.

5. Mathematical Analogy
Explanation: Using the equation 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, this analogy emphasizes the unity of the three persons in one essence.
Impediment: It can confuse those unfamiliar with advanced mathematics and may not effectively convey the relationship between the three persons. 1+1+1= 3 not 1.

6. The Egg Analogy
The egg analogy explains the Trinity using an egg's three parts: shell, egg white, and yolk, which together form one egg. It illustrates unity and distinction. However, it risks partialism, implying each part is only a portion of God, and oversimplifies the complex relationships among the three persons.

So what is the best way to explain trinity without embracing modalism, partialism or debasing God from what He is not?

AntiChristian what if I show you with evidence that the ancient Jews believed in the plurality of God's nature, will it end the discussion?
If I produce evidence that the ancient Jews believed God manifest in more than one person, will U be satisfied?
If I show U that the ancient Jews believed the word of God is a person with the full divinity of the God as stated in John 1, will U accept or continue to argue blindly.

Petalss:
Same way the Christian God = Jesus is different from the True Christian God ≠ Jesus.

Jesus is God, no amount of rant can change evidence and history

sonmvayina:
That's why it is easier to live Christianity when you start thinking for yourself..
Reason why they start the indoctrination at an early stage....
All these concept in Christianity has always caused division and argument and fighting. Just because they want to control human. So sad.

See, it is stated earlier that God is one Deuteronomy 6;4. So if they believe that why create a concept that is difficult to prove. God is the universe it self. We are all in it and it is in us....
Even the Babylonian and Sumerians understood that from the beginning. It was Philo who developed the two gods model which Justin mayter increased to 3...so much nonsense in one religion...hmmm

God is one, indivisible creator. Not 3 in one..
It is even stated that in Isaiah 41-47. There is nobody besides him.

If I bring evidence that the ancient Jews believed in the concept of trinity and plurality nature of God, will U embrace it or reject it like you did with other evidence I brought.

Qasim6:
What we can all agree as human being is trinity is not something that can be explained logically. Just like the concept of Jesus being fully man and fully God.

The reason why I am of the opinion that Christianity as a religion is 100% faith and 0% common sense because you are not going to be needing your common sense to accept Christianity, it is just going to be lot of emotional preaching like "God love us so much, he became flesh to die for our sins", "I saw Jesus in my dream" and the likes.. because the evidence of this triune God is find wanting and not clearly stated in the Bible.

If I show U the evidence that the ancient Jews believed in the concept of Trinity, will U accept it or as usual reject it like U did with your own Tafsir?

SIRTee15:
If I bring evidence that the ancient Jews believed in the concept of trinity and plurality nature of God, will U embrace it or reject it like you did with other evidence I brought.

Yes they might have....if you read Isaiah 45. They did not even know who the creator is. That's why they worshipped the gods of the people round them and God duly punished them.

So Isaiah was reminding them while they where in Babylon that God is one. There is no one beside him. No Satan or devil. Only God, he creates both light and darkness and make both peace and calamity.....

They worshipped the baals and the asherahs(the sons and daughters of Enlil) they even put up altars to them and God punished them. Because they where idols...

They really did some nasty things that time.

sonmvayina:
Yes they might have....if you read Isaiah 45. They did not even know who the creator is. That's why they worshipped the gods of the people round them and God duly punished them.

So Isaiah was reminding them while they where in Babylon that God is one. There is no one beside him. No Satan or devil. Only God, he creates both light and darkness and make both peace and calamity.....

They worshipped the baals and the asherahs(the sons and daughters of Enlil) they even put up altars to them and God punished them. Because they where idols...

They really did some nasty things that time.

No, I'm not talking about Jews worshipping other gods.
I'm talking about how the ancient Jews interpreted their Tanakh.
They complied the Tanakh for you and me.
Now I want to show U their understanding of the scriptures they follow.
I want to show U where the concept of Trinity came from
Should I show U?

SIRTee15:
If I show U the evidence that the ancient Jews believed in the concept of Trinity, will U accept it or as usual reject it like U did with your own Tafsir?

Not just the Jews the Egyptian had Osiris, Isis and Horus....
Other people still had group of three Gods....

But the Jews had just one God who chose them....one.


The truth of the matter is that there is only 1 Creator of heaven and earth. All the others are just aspect of the God. Just like the IGBOS or yorubas...One God and plenty Orisha......

SIRTee15:
No, I'm not talking about Jews worshipping other gods.
I'm talking about how the ancient Jews interpreted their Tanakh.
They complied the Tanakh for you and me.
Now I want to show U their understanding of the scriptures they follow.
I want to show U where the concept of Trinity came from
Should I show U?

Go on...

SIRTee15:
No, I'm not talking about Jews worshipping other gods.
I'm talking about how the ancient Jews interpreted their Tanakh.
They complied the Tanakh for you and me.
Now I want to show U their understanding of the scriptures they follow.
I want to show U where the concept of Trinity came from
Should I show U?

It did not come from the Jews...that's for sure...

Steep:
Jesus is God, no amount of rant can change evidence and history

Hallelujah.
But it is not sha the same with the God of the best-performing Christian.

sonmvayina:
It did not come from the Jews...that's for sure...

So should I show U?
Will U accept the evidence if I bring it here.
Right from the horses mouth....what the ancient Jews believed about the tanakh they compiled.

SIRTee15:
So should I show U?
Will U accept the evidence if I bring it here.
Right from the horses mouth....what the ancient Jews believed about the tanakh they compiled.

Go on..

sonmvayina:
Not just the Jews the Egyptian had Osiris, Isis and Horus....
Other people still had group of three Gods....

But the Jews had just one God who chose them....one.


The truth of the matter is that there is only 1 Creator of heaven and earth. All the others are just aspect of the God. Just like the IGBOS or yorubas...One God and plenty Orisha......

It's not about me bringing it.
If I bring g the evidence, will U accept it?
U should know by now I don't bring whack evidence.

If I bring evidence the ancient Jews believed in the plurality nature of God, will U accept it?
Yes or No?

SIRTee15:
If I show U the evidence that the ancient Jews believed in the concept of Trinity, will U accept it or as usual reject it like U did with your own Tafsir?

I don't know Tafsir is now divine revelation that I have to follow 100%

If you have any evidence that the Jews at some point believed in trinity you can bring them, hopefully it's not going to be some unknown document from some unknown Jewish sect that are influenced by Hellenism.

SIRTee15:
It's not about me bringing it.
If I bring g the evidence, will U accept it?
U should know by now I don't bring whack evidence.

If I bring evidence the ancient Jews believed in the plurality nature of God, will U accept it?
Yes or No?

Go on...we will analyse it.

Why should I accept a lie...


Bring it on .....mate

AntiChristian:
The concept of the Trinity—the Christian doctrine that defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—has been explained through various analogies and theological frameworks. Here’s a summary of some of the best ways it has been explained, along with the corresponding impediments to each explanation:

1.Water Analogy
Explanation: Water can exist in three states: liquid, ice, and steam. Each state is fundamentally water yet manifests differently.
Impediment: This analogy leans towards modalism, suggesting that God merely changes forms rather than existing simultaneously in three persons.

2.Triangular Analogy
Explanation: A triangle has three sides and is one shape. Each side represents a person of the Trinity, unified as one entity.
Impediment: This can imply that the persons of the Trinity are merely parts of a whole, which can lead to a misunderstanding of the distinctiveness and co-equality of the three persons.

3.Roles of a Person Analogy
Explanation: A person can be a parent, a child, and a sibling simultaneously, showcasing different roles while remaining one person.
Impediment: This analogy risks falling into partialism or modalism as well, blurring the lines of individual personhood within the Trinity.

4.Sun Analogy
Explanation: The sun represents the Father, its light represents the Son, and heat represents the Holy Spirit. All are aspects of the same source.
Impediment: This analogy can imply that the Son and the Holy Spirit are not fully divine as they are merely emanations from the Father.

5. Mathematical Analogy
Explanation: Using the equation 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, this analogy emphasizes the unity of the three persons in one essence.
Impediment: It can confuse those unfamiliar with advanced mathematics and may not effectively convey the relationship between the three persons. 1+1+1= 3 not 1.

6. The Egg Analogy
The egg analogy explains the Trinity using an egg's three parts: shell, egg white, and yolk, which together form one egg. It illustrates unity and distinction. However, it risks partialism, implying each part is only a portion of God, and oversimplifies the complex relationships among the three persons.

So what is the best way to explain trinity without embracing modalism, partialism or debasing God from what He is not?

I have not seen analogy without it's limitations.

But I think it's better to say 3 who's and one what.

Qasim6:
I don't know Tafsir is now divine revelation that I have follow 100%

If you have any evidence that the Jews at some point believed in trinity you can bring them, hopefully it's not going to be some unknown document from some unknown Jewish sect that are influenced by Hellenism.

Of course, only U has divine attributes to interpret the Quran correctly.
The rest of your scholars are dumb and stupid.

Yet same Quran failed to tell us the age of maturity.
The sahih hadith tells us but of course according to Qasim, these hadiths are written by scholars deficient in knowledge so cant be trusted.

Anyway, I will bring U evidence of plurality nature of God from the ancient jewish authoritative text.

The question is will U accept it and stop disturbing Christians with your poor understanding of trinity of I bring the evidence from an authoritative text of ancient Jewish.
I need U to answer because I don't want U to stress me this afternoon.

SIRTee15:
No, I'm not talking about Jews worshipping other gods.
I'm talking about how the ancient Jews interpreted their Tanakh.
They complied the Tanakh for you and me.
Now I want to show U their understanding of the scriptures they follow.
I want to show U where the concept of Trinity came from
Should I show U?

Still waiting for you....

SIRTee15:
Of course, only U has divine attributes to interpret the Quran correctly.
The rest of your scholars are dumb and stupid.

Not everyone is dumb like some people that swallowed a man made doctrine that is not clearly stated in their scripture. Some of us cherish our salvation.

And no we don't need divine attributes or spooky spirit to understand scriptures, we just need our God given common sense.

SIRTee15:
Yet same Quran failed to tell us the age of maturity.
The sahih hadith tells us but of course according to Qasim, these hadiths are written by scholars deficient in knowledge so cant be trusted.

Is the age of maturity mentioned in the Bible? Na the hypocrisy we dey always dey talk about be this o. Small time u go talk say we no fit defend Qur'an, we dey always run to the Bible.

If you apply common sense, u'll know the marriageable age is to come after being able to make sound judgements according to Q 4:6

And for the records, I am not saying the Tafsir is totally wrong, because at a time when most girls are married off at the early stage of puberty. They are likely to come across girls that have matured physically and mentally for marriage but are yet to see their periods.

SIRTee15:
Anyway, I will bring U evidence of plurality nature of God from the ancient jewish authoritative text.

The question is will U accept it and stop disturbing Christians with your poor understanding of trinity of I bring the evidence from an authoritative text of ancient Jewish.
I need U to answer because I don't want U to stress me this afternoon.

No problem. Bring the evidence.

Qasim6:
Not everyone is dumb like some people that swallowed a man made doctrine that is not clearly stated in their scripture. Some of us cherish our salvation.

And no we don't need divine attributes or spooky spirit to understand scriptures, we just need our God given common sense.



Is the age of maturity mentioned in the Bible? Na the hypocrisy we dey always dey talk about be this o. Small time u go talk say we no fit defend Qur'an, we dey always run to the Bible.

If you apply common sense, u'll know the marriageable age is to come after being able to make sound judgements according to Q 4:6

And for the records, I am not saying the Tafsir is totally wrong, because at a time when most girls are married off at the early stage of puberty. They are likely to come across girls that have matured physically and mentally for marriage but are yet to see their periods.




No problem. Bring the evidence.

Ok before we start.
I need to clarify 2 things

1. Do U accept the 2nd person of the trinity as per Christian theology is the WORD OF GOD- also called God the Son/Jesus Christ.

2. Tell me the authoritative Jewish texts that U know.

I need clear answers to above because I don't want any denial once I bring the evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote a verse in the Old Testament in which wordhipers of the God of Abraham were fighting and killing themselves or quote a verse in the New Testament where Christians were fighting and killing themselves.

If you can't then know that those fighting and killing their fellow worshipers today aren't worshiping the same God no matter what they are claiming.

No one was Christian before Jesus left the world!

And God didn't ordain Christianity nor Judaism at all as a viable way of life!

Even your Jehovah witness is simply a creation of Russell another white man!