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Steep:
Any religion that reject the deity of christ, his humanity, his finished works on the cross is antichrist that includes the Jewish religion. In Christianity salvation is not in a system but in a person which is christ. Abraham, or Moses or Elijah is not the central figure of Christianity but christ hence it is called CHRIST[/b]inanity not abrahaminity or mosesitnity.


You can't be a Christian if you reject the diety of christ jehovah witness or other unitarians are not Christianity.
Christianity is based on the christ ( his person, nature, position and works) not on Abraham or any other.

[b]And by the way there is nothing Abrahmic about Islam. Islam is complete thrash Allah is actually a devil. You blaspheme God by equating him to a demon.

There is indeed historical recognition from the Catholic Church, including various popes, of Islam's connection to the Abrahamic faith tradition. Here are some examples:

1. Pope Paul VI - Vatican II (Nostra Aetate, 1965): In this landmark document, Nostra Aetate, the Catholic Church officially acknowledged Islam's shared heritage with Christianity and Judaism, recognizing Muslims' worship of the same God as Christians. It states: "The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistence, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth."This reflects the Church’s acknowledgment that Islam is a monotheistic religion that traces its roots to Abraham, thus linking it to the broader Abrahamic tradition.

2. Pope John Paul II: Pope John Paul II emphasized respect and dialogue between Christians and Muslims throughout his papacy. During his visit to Damascus in 2001, he spoke at the Umayyad Mosque and reaffirmed the shared belief in one God: "Christians and Muslims, we meet one another in faith in the one God, our Creator, our Guide, our Just Judge."His efforts toward interfaith dialogue reinforced the Church’s understanding that Muslims worship the same God as Christians.

3. Pope Francis: In recent years, Pope Francis has consistently spoken about the shared Abrahamic roots of Christianity and Islam. During his visit to Abu Dhabi in 2019, he co-signed the Document on Human Fraternity with the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, which affirmed: "We, who believe in God and in the final meeting with Him and His judgment, based on our religious and moral responsibility, and through this Document, call upon ourselves, upon the leaders of the world as well as the architects of international policy and world economy, to work strenuously to spread the culture of tolerance and of living together in peace."

Petalss:
There is indeed historical recognition from the Catholic Church, including various popes, of Islam's connection to the Abrahamic faith tradition. Here are some examples:

1. Pope Paul VI - Vatican II (Nostra Aetate, 1965): In this landmark document, Nostra Aetate, the Catholic Church officially acknowledged Islam's shared heritage with Christianity and Judaism, recognizing Muslims' worship of the same God as Christians. It states: "The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistence, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth."This reflects the Church’s acknowledgment that Islam is a monotheistic religion that traces its roots to Abraham, thus linking it to the broader Abrahamic tradition.

2. Pope John Paul II: Pope John Paul II emphasized respect and dialogue between Christians and Muslims throughout his papacy. During his visit to Damascus in 2001, he spoke at the Umayyad Mosque and reaffirmed the shared belief in one God: "Christians and Muslims, we meet one another in faith in the one God, our Creator, our Guide, our Just Judge."His efforts toward interfaith dialogue reinforced the Church’s understanding that Muslims worship the same God as Christians.

3. Pope Francis: In recent years, Pope Francis has consistently spoken about the shared Abrahamic roots of Christianity and Islam. During his visit to Abu Dhabi in 2019, he co-signed the Document on Human Fraternity with the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, which affirmed: "We, who believe in God and in the final meeting with Him and His judgment, based on our religious and moral responsibility, and through this Document, call upon ourselves, upon the leaders of the world as well as the architects of international policy and world economy, to work strenuously to spread the culture of tolerance and of living together in peace."

The Roman catholic church or the pope or any other church is not that authority on Christianity, The Bible is the authority and standard.

Steep:
The Roman Catholic church or the Pope or any other church is not that authority on Christianity, The Bible is the authority and standard.

You are the authority na. Just say the Catholics are antichrist too.

Steep:
It is petals that said Allah is the same the christian God but the Jesus is the Christian God.

The God Jesus (as well as other Prophets) worshipped is Allah regardless of whatever name they call Him in their language!

And yes, Christians joined partners with the one God that existed before!

AntiChristian:
The God Jesus (as well as other Prophets) worshipped is Allah regardless of whatever name they call Him in their language!

And yes, Christians joined partners with the one God that existed before!

Some Christians even go as far as to assert that they do not worship Jehovah. This sentiment appears to arise from the emphasis that Jehovah's Witnesses place on using the name Jehovah to refer to God. Due to widespread disdain directed at Jehovah's Witnesses, this aversion often extends to the name Jehovah itself.

Petalss:
Some Christians even go as far as to assert that they do not worship Jehovah. This sentiment appears to arise from the emphasis that Jehovah's Witnesses place on using the name Jehovah to refer to God. Due to widespread disdain directed at Jehovah's Witnesses, this aversion often extends to the name Jehovah itself.

They'll have that "name" problem when they keep translating almost everything to English!

Petalss:
Some Christians even go as far as to assert that they do not worship Jehovah.

is only a confused Christian that will say they don't worship Jehovah. God was called Jehovah in the bible

Kingsempires:
is only a confused Christian that will say they don't worship Jehovah. God was called Jehovah in the bible

Are you sure God was called Jehovah or translated as Jehovah for you some centuries ago?

Just go find am yourself!

Kingsempires:
is only a confused Christian that will say they don't worship Jehovah. God was called Jehovah in the bible

Perhaps they argue that Jesus never referred to God by that name. They however forget that the name Jehovah is a Latinized version of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), which represents the Hebrew name for God.

Jesus primarily spoke Aramaic and Hebrew. In these languages, He would have referred to God using terms like Elohim, Adonai, or simply as Father.

Jehovah itself was not used until around 1100 AD, long after the time of Jesus.

AntiChristian:
The God Jesus (as well as other Prophets) worshipped is Allah regardless of whatever name they call Him in their language!

And yes, Christians joined partners with the one God that existed before!

Nah. Jesus called El. Not Allah.

Did you even realise that Jesus (Yeshu) was bearing God's name? Yeshu name is coined from the word ''Yahweh".

That's why the Christians says

Jesus (Yeshu/Yahweh) = Lord (Eloah/Elyon/Elah).

In Yoruba religion, it is

Ayeraye = Oluwa Olorun Eledumare.

The begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of Eledumare who's a spirit. The begotten child later became flesh and was born of a virgin woman (Oyigi) and the spirit of God dwelled within him. Just as John observed it on him like a dove.

Steep:
The Roman catholic church or the pope or any other church is not that authority on Christianity, The Bible is the authority and standard.

Who told you this has lied to you..

The church has more authority than the Bible. The Bible is a baby of the church.
Just so you know.
The Pope has more authority than the Bible...

DOptical:
Nah. Jesus called El. Not Allah.

Did you even realise that Jesus (Yeshu) was bearing God's name? Yeshu name is coined from the word ''Yahweh".

That's why the Christians says

Jesus (Yeshu/Yahweh) = Lord (Eloah/Elyon/Elah).

In Yoruba religion, it is

Ayeraye = Oluwa Olorun Eledumare.

The begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of Eledumare who's a spirit. The begotten child later became flesh and was born of a virgin woman (Oyigi) and the spirit of God dwelled within him. Just as John observed it on him like a dove.

Did the yorubas get this idea from the Christians?

Because the original teaching is that we are all manifestations of the divine..
Eledumare being the divine universal consciousness...

AntiChristian:
Are you sure God was called Jehovah or translated as Jehovah for you some centuries ago?

Just go find am yourself!

apart from JW bible I have seen Jehovah in some bible version

sonmvayina:
Who told you this has lied to you..

The church has more authority than the Bible. The Bible is a baby of the church.
Just so you know.
The Pope has more authority than the Bible...

hmmm!!! You want to cause another argument again

sonmvayina:
Did the yorubas get this idea from the Christians?

Because the original teaching is that we are all manifestations of the divine..
Eledumare being the divine universal consciousness...

No. Yoruba predated Christianity.

However it's funny and mysterious to realize that Yoruba's supreme creator known as Eledumare (Ayeraye) is similar to Christianity. Likewise the begotten chid which is simply the visible manifestation of Eledumare. It's quite mysterious.

DOptical:
No. Yoruba predated Christianity.

However it's funny and mysterious to realize that Yoruba's supreme creator known as Eledumare (Ayeraye) and the begotten chid which is simply the visible manifestation of Eledumare are similar to that of Christianity. It's quite mysterious.

DOptical:
Nah. Jesus called El. Not Allah.

Did you even realise that Jesus (Yeshu) was bearing God's name? Yeshu name is coined from the word ''Yahweh".

That's why the Christians says

Jesus (Yeshu/Yahweh) = Lord (Eloah/Elyon/Elah).

In Yoruba religion, it is

Ayeraye = Oluwa Olorun Eledumare.

The begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of Eledumare who's a spirit. The begotten child later became flesh and was born of a virgin woman (Oyigi) and the spirit of God dwelled within him. Just as John observed it on him like a dove.

Basically the names Allah, El, Elohim, Adonai, Jehovah and probably Eledumare represent the monotheistic conception of God in various religious traditions. Regardless of linguistic and cultural differences, these terms share core attributes.

Indeed some have variations in their concept of a monotheist God as some expand this monotheism into parts

Explore2xmore:
Basically the names Allah, El, Elohim, Adonai, Jehovah and probably Eledumare represent the monotheistic conception of God in various religious traditions. Regardless of linguistic and cultural differences, these terms share core attributes.

Indeed some have variations in their concept of a monotheist God as some expand this monotheism into parts

According to Yoruba, it's one supreme creator known as Eledumare (also known as Ayeraye) who's a spirit however Eledumare has got a begotten child which is simply the visible manifestation of himself, considering he's a spirit.

Allah isn't a spirit. While Eledumare who's also known as Ayeraye is a spirit and his begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of himself.

DOptical:
According to Yoruba's Ifa, it's one supreme creator known as Eledumare (also known as Ayeraye) who's a spirit however Eledumare has got a begotten child which is simply the visible manifestation of himself, considering he's a spirit.

Allah isn't a spirit. While Eledumare who's also known as Ayeraye is a spirit and his begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of himself.

What I am primarily trying to say is there is a general agreement of a supreme being though there are differences in how the supreme is understood.

Allah transcends physical and spiritual limitations; he created both.

Explore2xmore:
What I am primarily trying to say is there is a general agreement of a supreme being though there are differences in how the supreme is understood.

Allah transcends physical and spiritual limitations; he created both.

Yoruba knows nothing about Arab Allah though.

What Yoruba knows is Eledumare (also known as Ayeraye) who's a spirit while his begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of himself. Hence Eledumare expect humans to be like the begotten child by displaying Eledumare's manifestations such as righteousness, intelligence and creative works just like the begotten child had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world 💥

As a matter of fact, championing pedophilia, terrorism and 72 virgins sex objects like Arab Allah does is highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values.

DOptical:
Yoruba knows nothing about Arab Allah though.

What Yoruba knows is Eledumare (also known as Ayeraye) who's a spirit while his begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of himself. Hence Eledumare expect humans to be like the begotten child by displaying Eledumare's manifestations such as righteousness, intelligence and creative works just like the begotten child had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world 💥

As a matter of fact, championing pedophilia, terrorism and 72 virgins sex objects like Arab Allah does is highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values.

Well good for you that have a monotheist that begets in Yoruba religion with Christianity.
Judaism like Islam doesn't believe in a practically begeting supreme being.

I see you go on with the usual slanderous claims about Islam. What this has to do with the existence or non existence of a true God should be answered by you.

The hadith mentioning the reward of 72 virgins for the martyr in paradise is a commonly cited but weak or fabricated hadith that lacks authenticity. This specific narration is not found in the authentic collections of hadith such as Sahih al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, which are considered the most reliable sources of hadith.

Modern day definition describes Aisha's marriage as paedophilia but ignore other marriages of people close to her age as not? This is obvious bias and a reflection of the general dislike of the truth by a number of people since the beginning of time. Glad that despite the claims of paedophilia relations there is no single report of ailment resulting to Aisha as a result. Does this not question the veracity of the claim?

I should however congratulate you for quickly revealing your true nature and not pretending for long in your contribution. Glad that you accept there is a supreme God. What you make or interpret as the supreme is indeed a point of difference.

Sadly you don't know anything about the likely Arabian origin of the Yoruba tribe.

The Arabian Influence on African Cultures: A Case Study of the Yoruba Tribe

A straight question though; is the Eledumare report a myth or reality?

Explore2xmore:
Well good for you that have a monotheist that begets in Yoruba religion with Christianity.
Judaism like Islam doesn't believe in a practically begeting supreme being.

I see you go on with the usual slanderous claims about Islam. What this has to do with the existence or non existence of a true God should be answered by you.

The hadith mentioning the reward of 72 virgins for the martyr in paradise is a commonly cited but weak or fabricated hadith that lacks authenticity. This specific narration is not found in the authentic collections of hadith such as Sahih al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, which are considered the most reliable sources of hadith.

Modern day definition describes Aisha's marriage as paedophilia but ignore other marriages of people close to her age as not? This is obvious bias and a reflection of the general dislike of the truth by a number of people since the beginning of time. Glad that despite the claims of paedophilia relations there is no single report of ailment resulting to Aisha as a result. Does this not question the veracity of the claim?

I should however congratulate you for quickly revealing your true nature and not pretending for long in your contribution. Glad that you accept there is a supreme God. What you make or interpret as the supreme is indeed a point of difference.

I simply say the fact as it is.

You should know that Mohammad actually copied from Judaism and Christianity which predated Mohammad and his Islam. In fact, He kept harping on the Jewish history which had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering he's no Jacob's descendant. The funny thing was how he changed Arab's corruption of the Jewish Elah as ilah to Allah. Elah has no double LL.. simple as ABC.

Personally, I stopped taking Arab Islam serious the moment I realized that it doesn't even know that "light" was formed before anything else. What a dumb camel urine drinking Arab religion. Worse is the Arab pedophile terrorist Mohammad championing 72 virgins sex objects. What a useless criminal.

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Explore2xmore:
Sadly you don't know anything about the likely Arabian origin of the Yoruba tribe.

The Arabian Influence on African Cultures: A Case Study of the Yoruba Tribe

A straight question though; is the Eledumare report a myth or reality?

Yoruba are not Arabs. All what Mohammad was championing such as pedophilia, 72 virgins sex objects, terrorism etc is highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values.

If at all Yoruba came from anywhere, the
closet would be Israelites (Yacob), considering how Yoruba ended up being Yoruba (also known as Omoluabi). Also, Yoruba's supreme creator is Eledumare also known as Ayeraye, similar to the Israelites. There's also the Yoruba's Ofi which is similar to the woven fabric as described to the L(efi). And also other stuff such as Yoruba twin culture of making the second born the akobi (elder) of the twins just like the case of J(acob)🤔🤔 However, it's all funny at this point because while there are obvious similarities but the question is from where to where? Lol 😂 I mean Yoruba can't even remember Moses nor the red Sea 😂.. could it be Yoruba already probably parted from the Israelites while the Israelites were still in Egypt? Lmao 🤣

Anyways, Yoruba are simply Yoruba known as Omoluabi. Yoruba's Origin is Ife.

DOptical:
Yoruba are not Arabs. All what Mohammad was championing such as pedophilia, 72 virgins sex objects, terrorism etc is highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values.

If at all Yoruba came from anywhere, the
closet would be Israelites (Yacob), considering how Yoruba ended up being Yoruba (also known as Omoluabi). Also, Yoruba's supreme creator is Eledumare also known as Ayeraye, similar to the Israelites. There's also the Yoruba's Ofi which is similar to the woven fabric as described to the L(efi). And also other stuff such as Yoruba twin culture of making the second born the akobi (elder) of the twins just like the case of J(acob)🤔🤔 However, it's all funny at this point because while there are obvious similarities but the question is from where to where? Lol 😂 I mean Yoruba can't even remember Moses nor the red Sea 😂.. could it be Yoruba already probably parted from the Israelites while the Israelites were still in Egypt? Lmao 🤣

Anyways, Yoruba are simply Yoruba known as Omoluabi. Yoruba's Origin is Ife.

Interesting that you refer making the second born of the twins the elder. Rationally and logically akobi means the first to be born. What is the meaning of agba or agbalagba?

It seems you rather resort to a lie in defense of your opinion. How can the child born later become the first? Does Omoluabi thrive on falsehood? I get the folktale that the second twin sends the first to check out the world but tell me if the first born prevents the second from being born after completing gestation?

DOptical:
I simply say the fact as it is.

You should know that Mohammad actually copied from Judaism and Christianity which predated Mohammad and his Islam. In fact, He kept harping on the Jewish history which had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering he's no Jacob's descendant. The funny thing was how he changed Arab's corruption of the Jewish Elah as ilah to Allah. Elah has no double LL.. simple as ABC.

Personally, I stopped taking Arab Islam serious the moment I realized that it doesn't even know that "light" was formed before anything else. What a dumb camel urine drinking Arab religion. Worse is the Arab pedophile terrorist Mohammad championing 72 virgins sex objects. What a useless criminal.

Interesting but defective argument. You obviously don't know Jewish and Arabic language are semitic languages.

From where do you derive proof that prophet Muhammad pbuh copied; indeed you can present no plausible evidence of this and just follow ignorant vain talk. You do not know Allah created both darkness and light?

You obviously don't know the continuity established in passing essentially similar message over time? Is the ancestor of Muhammad pbuh not Ishmael the brother of Isaac? Who came first between Jacob, Isaac and Ishmael?

You repeatedly present this your 72 virgin talk but I doubt you have investigated the truth of that claim?

Read up the medicinal value of urea

Kingsempires:
apart from JW bible I have seen Jehovah in some bible version

Yeah, when was the Bible first written?

"Jehovah" as a name was coined some centuries ago! Of course it will creep into some Bible written after the name was coined!

Explore2xmore:
Interesting that you refer making the second born of the twins the elder. Rationally and logically akobi means the first to be born. What is the meaning of agba or agbalagba?

It seems you rather resort to a lie in defense of your opinion. How can the child born later become the first? Does Omoluabi thrive on falsehood? I get the folktale that the second twin sends the first to check out the world but tell me if the first born prevents the second from being born after completing gestation?

It only proves you're not Yoruba since you don't even know the second born twin become akobi which means first born. Akobi means first born and that's exactly what the second born of the twins becomes, just like the case of J(acob), the second twin who became the first born (akobi). So where did Yoruba get such culture from? That's quite mysterious. There's also the name of the supreme creator known as Oluwa Olorun Eledumare who's also known as Ayeraye, just like Israelites' supreme creator known as El (Elyon, Ela, Elowah) who's also known as Yahweh.

Anyways, Yoruba are simply Yoruba. Ife is the origin.

Explore2xmore:
Interesting but defective argument. You obviously don't know Jewish and Arabic language are semitic languages.

From where do you derive proof that prophet Muhammad pbuh copied; indeed you can present no plausible evidence of this and just follow ignorant vain talk. You do not know Allah created both darkness and light?

You obviously don't know the continuity established in passing essentially similar message over time? Is the ancestor of Muhammad pbuh not Ishmael the brother of Isaac? Who came first between Jacob, Isaac and Ishmael?

You repeatedly present this your 72 virgin talk but I doubt you have investigated the truth of that claim?

Read up the medicinal value of urea

It's a fact that Mohammad copied from Judaism and Christianity except you're stupid because as a matter of fact, the Jewish history he kept ranting about had nothing to do with him considering he's no Jacob's descendant to begin with! Jacob and Jacob's descendants are the Jewish. Mohammad should have simply focused on writing about the exploits of Ishmael descendants which were his Arab ancestors. Of course he knew he had nothing to write about his Arab ancestors. Shior.

Also, can you comprehend anything at all? I said Mohammad and his Allah doesn't know that "light" was formed "first" before anything else. Dumb camel urine foreign religion. Also, urine isn't medicinal. Sink that into your skull.

Mohammad is a useless criminal for championing pedophilia, terrorism and 72 virgin sex objects.

DOptical:
It's a fact that Mohammad copied from Judaism and Christianity except you're stupid because as a matter of fact, the Jewish history he kept ranting about had nothing to do with him considering he's no Jacob's descendant to begin with! Jacob and Jacob's descendants are the Jewish. Mohammad should have simply focused on writing about the exploits of Ishmael descendants which were his Arab ancestors. Of course he knew he had nothing to write about his Arab ancestors. Shior.

Also, can you comprehend anything at all? I said Mohammad and his Allah doesn't know that "light" was formed "first" before anything else. Dumb camel urine foreign religion. Also, urine isn't medicinal. Sink that into your skull.

Mohammad is a useless criminal for championing pedophilia, terrorism and 72 virgin sex objects.

Thank you very much.

I see you eliminate the fact that Jacob is a son on of Isaac.

Is Isaac a brother to Ishmael?

Unlike the biblical narratives, which are often linear and historical, the Quran employs a non-linear narrative style emphasizing moral lessons and spiritual guidance?

The stylistic elements of the Quran showcase a literary richness indicative of original composition rather than derivative authorship.

You are again caught in your lie as Muhammad pbuh could neither read nor write. He received the Quran verbally and by direct revelation to him and transmitted this in same manner.

You ignorantly and boastfully make statements you know nothing about. Do you need spoon fed direction to where Allah created the darkness and the light? So much so you lied to mislead me that akobi is elder when it really means first to be born.
Did you try to make any research about medical uses of Urea a primary component of urine.

The language you address me in is localized to your tribe? I think very much not.