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Beware of ignoramus muhammad 'alee al khaarij jabata.

Laughing Out Loud

When you don't understand anything about islam.. always quoting scholars..

When scholars are right or wrong.. you don't even know

Asalam alaikum warahmatulah wabarakahtuhu my brothers and sisters who loves Islam and truth.

I'll do the explanations very brief .

Ignore the OP. He's part those that abide and act and defend Bidiah called Mufasiko. A language that never existed during the prophet era or the sahabahs era.

Any act of worship MUST AND BE IDENTIFIED FIRST..

1. QUR'AN
2. HADITH.


Before any act of worship can be accepted, it must follow 2 paths

1. Must be done for Allah's sake
2. Must be done exactly the way prophet did it

The BIG question is...

How to eat.. is it an ibaadah? Is it an act of worship or it's nothing.


The only way to know if something is an act of worship is..


Is it sunnah? Everything that's Sunnah is an act of worship.

Do we have Hadiths on how to eat? How many Hadiths do we have on it?

Eating with spoon, is it sin or Shirk?
People condemning eating with 3 fingers...are they condemning the sunnah or appraising it?



Now.. let's get to business

How to eat is an act of worship (ibaadah)
There are lots of hadiths on it.. I'll post like 5 or 6..


How is how to eat an act of ibaadah..

Everything that prophet commands us to do and tells us it's reward and punishment is an act of worship..


Read the hadiths below

Ibn Ka'b b. Malik reported on the authority of his father that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to eat (food) with three fingers and he licked his hand before wiping it (with towel).

Sahih

Sahih Muslim, 2032 b
In-Book Reference: Book 36, Hadith 171
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 23, Hadith 5040 (deprecated numbering scheme)






'Abdullah b. Ka'b reported that his father Ka'b narrated to him that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to eat with three fingers and when he had finished (eating), he licked them.

Sahih

Sahih Muslim, 2032 c
In-Book Reference: Book 36, Hadith 172
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 23, Hadith 5041 (deprecated numbering scheme)





Anas reported that when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ate food he licked his three fingers, and he said:
When any one of you drops a mouthful he should remove anything filthy from it and then eat it, and should not leave it for the Satan. He also commanded us that we should wipe the dish saying: You do not know in what portion of your food the blessing lies.

Sahih

Sahih Muslim, 2034
In-Book Reference: Book 36, Hadith 180
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 23, Hadith 5049 (deprecated numbering scheme)





Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) finished eating his food, he would lick his three fingers (i.e., the forefinger, the middle finger and the thumb). He (ﷺ) said, "If anyone of you drops a morsel, he should remove anything harmful from it and then eat it. He should not leave it for Shaitan." He commanded us to clean out the dish saying, "You do not know in what portion of your food the blessing lies."

[Muslim].



Riyad as-Salihin, 607
In-Book Reference: Introduction, Hadith 607






AS YOU CAN SEE...ITS SUNNAH.. ITS IBAADAH TO EAT WITH 3 FINGERS..


YOU ARE SURPRISED AS TO HOW AND WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO KILL THIS SUNNAH OF EATING WITH 3 FINGERS. THEY ARE NOT CALLING PEOPLE TO IT BUT TELLING PEOPLE TO EAT WITH SPOON. WE THAT EAT WITH 3 FINGERS BY FOLLOWING THE SUNNAH.. THEY CALL US JABATA AND CALL US EXTREMIST AND BOKO HARAM.

YOU CAN SEE NOW THAT THEY'RE NOT IN LOVE WITH ISLAM NOR ROSUL OR SUNNAH

Not eating with 3 fingers is divided into 2..

One is sin.
One is shirk.


We're going to point out the one that's sinful with the following hadiths


1.

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
Do not eat with your left hand, for the Satan eats with his left hand.

Sahih

Sahih Muslim, 2019
In-Book Reference: Book 36, Hadith 138
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 23, Hadith 5007 (deprecated numbering scheme)


2.

Salama b. Akwa' reported on the authority of his father that a person ate in the presence of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) with his left hand, whereupon he said:
Eat with your right hand. He said: I cannot do that, whereupon he (the Prophet) said: May you not be able to do that. It was vanity that prevented him from doing it, and he could not raise it (the right hand) up to his mouth.

Sahih

Sahih Muslim, 2021
In-Book Reference: Book 36, Hadith 142
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 23, Hadith 5011 (deprecated numbering scheme)


Punishment for not eating with right hand 3 fingers but using left hand.

Like the prophet said.. it's vanity and pride that prevented him.


HE DISOBEYED FOLLOWING THE SUNNAH, THATS WHY ITS SINFUL AND HE GOT PUNISHED.


HE DIDN'T REPLACE THE SUNNAH WITH SOMETHING ELSE

NOW TO THE REASON WHY EATING WITH SPOON IS BIDIAH.


Sunnah simply means an act of worship MADE LAW BY ALLAH, PASSED DOWN BY ACTIONS OR WORDS BY PROPHET AND BY SAHABAHS.

Bidiah simply MEANS NULLIFICATION OF LAWS REGARDING SUNNAH MADE BY ALLAH BY REPLACING IT WITH YOURS AND DISCARDING THE PROPHET AS YOUR MESSENGER AND SEEING THE SAHABAHS AS IRRELEVANT. BIDIAH SIMPLY MEANS NULLIFICATION OF SAHADAH.

Replacing the 3 fingers with cutleries is Bidiah... Because you have made your own law as regards the sunnah or how to eat and disown the prophet and sahabahs

If someone is eating with right hand 4 or 5 fingers...that's sinful because he only disobeyed he didn't replace the act of worship with something else entirely


The sunnah is..

Eat is right hand 3 fingers... Eating with left hand is sinful as eating with 4 fingers or 5 fingers right hand is.

For the final piece..

What's the difference between eating with 3 fingers and using hands for adkar?

Why is using something else apart from hands for adkar is Bidiah and eating with 3 fingers is not Bidiah?


Eating with 3 fingers is sunnah
Using hands for adkar is sunnah


Replacing 3 fingers with cutleries is Bidiah
Replacing the hands with tesuba or other counting methods is Bidiah too

Finally.... To clear the misinformation that these non Muslims parading themselves as Sunnah do say..

That once someone does Bidiah like this.. we will call the person kafir lol..

All Bidiah is kufru BUT not all those that does Bidiah is kafir.

There's difference between judgement of act and the doer.

There are conditions to making takfeer.

1. Mistake
2. Forgetfulness
3. Forced
4. IGNORANCE (this applies to matters of ahkam alone)


You didn't mistake
You didn't forget
You were not forced
You were aware that eating with 3 fingers is sunnah (compulsory)


Yet ... You go on eating with spoon despite knowing all these..

You are a kafir.



If someone makes mistakes
If someone forgot
If someone is forced
If someone is ignorant about eating with 3 fingers..


These are the conditions that makes the person still a Muslim

THE EASIEST WAY TO IDENTIFY THESE CROOKED PEOPLE PARADING THEMSELVES AS SUNNA


THEY WON'T EVER QUOTE HADITHS OR QUR'AN
THEY HAVE ZERO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE MATTER THEY'RE ARGUING ABOUT
THEY ALWAYS QUOTE SCHOLARS FATWA THAT SUPPORTS THEIR CLAIMS TO LOOK RIGHTEOUS


Meanwhile, the scholars said any of their fatwa that they didn't bring Hadiths and explain..
DO NOT TAKE TAKE IT!!

YOU WILL FALL INTO TAQLEED. BLIND FOLLOWING AND ITS SHIRK

Beware of those who use their understanding to explain the religion, can any sane person show me from everything the ignorant posted above where the Prophet or any of the salaf call a person a sinner or kaafir for eating with other that three fingers? That's how to identify a takfiree.

So the scholars of our time are technically by you and olodo jabata promoting kufr to people.
A very simple way to cut people from the scholars.
His reply will be, "is it scholars the Prophet ask you to follow?"

This paragraph is from an article in which I will be making a post on inshaAllah in order to expose those who claim returning to the scholars of Sunnah is blind following and blameworthy.

The scholars are the light illuminating the world from the darkness of ignorance, their similitude on this earth is like that of the stars in the sky. The scholars are the ones giving sight, with the permission of Allah, to people who have been made blind by ignorance and misguided callers. They are the ones teaching and awakening us about Allah, and they are the ones explaining what is permissible and what is not permissible to the Ummah. Even though the scholars know that the deviants will strive to shatter their honour if they speak against their deviation, scholars sacrificed their personal honour, and firmly stand to establish the truth for the ummah and save them from the lies and distortions of the deviants.

Having scholars amongst us is a blessing, for a time will come when there will be no knowledge in the world again and the world would be filled with ignorants and they will issue verdicts that will mislead people. Allah سبحانه وتعالى mentioned the virtue of scholars and He said:

هَلْ يَسْتَوِى ٱلَّذِينَ يَعْلَمُونَ وَٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُون

Are those who know equal to those who know not?¹

Allah sent His prophets to the world to guide people to the straight path, and since there are no prophets amongst us anymore, scholars are those who inherited the knowledge from the prophets to call people to jannah and warn people against jahannam.

Kathir ibn Qays said: I was sitting with AbudDarda’ in the mosque of Damascus.

A man came to him and said: AbudDarda, I have come to you from the town of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ for a tradition that I have heard you relate from the Messenger of Allah ﷺ. I have come for no other purpose.

He said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah ﷺ say: If anyone travels on a road in search of knowledge, Allah will cause him to travel on one of the roads of Paradise. The angels will lower their wings in their great pleasure with one who seeks knowledge, the inhabitants of the heavens and the Earth and the fish in the deep waters will ask forgiveness for the scholar. The superiority of the scholar over the devout is like that of the moon, on the night when it is full, over the rest of the stars. The scholars are the heirs of the Prophets, and the Prophets leave neither dinar nor dirham, leaving only knowledge, and he who takes it takes an abundant portion.”²

Scholars inherited the best of people, and that is a great virtue for them. Any Muslim who wants to hold on to what the prophets brought to us should stick to the scholars of sunnah, and anyone who wishes to be in jannah and wishes to be safe from jahannam should stick to the scholars of sunnah.

In a world where people now tag returning issues to senior scholars in the time of general fitan (trials and tribulations) upon evidences as blindfollowing, it is important that we explain the virtues of scholars and the importance of returning general issues affecting the society back to them.

NeoWanZaeed:
Replacing 3 fingers with cutleries is Bidiah
Replacing the hands with tesuba or other counting methods is Bidiah too

And all bid'ah is kufr (to jabata and his boys), thus if you eat with spoon and you are provided with the above understanding of 'alee Al khaarij jabata and you refuse to stop using spoon you are out of Islam and will spend eternity in hell. Pure Takfiree logic.

Orthodoxy:
And all bid'ah is kufr (to jabata and his boys), thus if you eat with spoon and you are provided with the above understanding of 'alee Al khaarij jabata you are out of Islam and will spend eternity in hell. Pure Takfiree logic.

Give us dalil from Qur'an and Hadiths that's all Bidiah is not kufru.

Give us dalil for that word MUFASIKO AND MUKAFIRAH from Qur'an and Hadiths


Mention just 1 Scholar that made takfeer of other scholars that are on the manhaj of kulu bida kufru


Mention 1 scholar that divided Bidiah that's eating with spoon or call people to eat with spoon OR does WALIMAH AQIQAH and does Nikkah the way your Kufar scholars does it (Alaro, Sharof and the likes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6w1dk_ecA?si=7Uw7OzjOZcEpEV4H

NobleStag007:
Give us dalil from Qur'an and Hadiths that's all Bidiah is not kufru.

Give us dalil for that word MUFASIKO AND MUKAFIRAH from Qur'an and Hadiths


Mention just 1 Scholar that made takfeer of other scholars that are on the manhaj of kulu bida kufru


Mention 1 scholar that divided Bidiah that's eating with spoon or call people to eat with spoon OR does WALIMAH AQIQAH and does Nikkah the way your Kufar scholars does it (Alaro, Sharof and the likes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hwh-27oDsM?si=m4cSbLoJ0P8T1mhi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0lX8zvF-Nc?si=gmQ2CbGHwki6ASbS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d6Ed0MkxY?si=Jl-ZzL9z8gSSJnpe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1caY-sURfA?si=Bj-DfwjubLpUBubE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzMKJzqrSZw?si=b0GniE7XUwL0xyz3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pjp6ex47Vk?si=q7e29jUF_I9ThGkN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpyJUCs_KwQ?si=mdnRAsAsv8SAonx5


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qcFzKg3qgs?si=OzjBHX0UA4FQBfzd

And lastly, the khaarij


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9fGPULGlBA?si=Ux8GPedjfHRg-BUd

I can help you get Dr. Fadhil and Ejigbo if you want

NobleStag007:
Give us dalil from Qur'an and Hadiths that's all Bidiah is not kufru.

with understanding of Salaf abi, did the sahabahs held every mubtad'i as kaafir? It is upon you to provide dalil for kullu bid'ah kufr from the sahabahs and that they made Takfeer of all mubtad'i.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6w1dk_ecA?si=7Uw7OzjOZcEpEV4H

Anaybira:
with understanding of Salaf abi, did the sahabahs held every mubtad'i as kaafir? It is upon you to provide dalil for kullu bid'ah kufr from the sahabahs and that they made Takfeer of all mubtad'i.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6w1dk_ecA?si=7Uw7OzjOZcEpEV4H

Khawarij is my dalil for kulu bidha kufru.


Salafs are sahabahs.


And of course like I said, it's not all that does Bidiah that are kufar. Until conditions for takfeer is met.


You Sha refused to name your alfa here in Nigeria. Jabata is not alfa for your eyes in Nigeria.. mention those Alfa for Nigeria for your eyes

Laughing
WHOEVER YOUR ALFA IS.. I'M VERY SURE HE AFFIRM ISLAM FOR SECTS, HE REVERES SUFI AND THEIR TAHGUT LIKE ADAM ABDULLAH AND OTHERS AND I'M VERY SURE YOUR ALFA AFFIRM ISLAM FOR ALARO laughing

You are the greatest ignorant in this world.


If you understand the principles of islam and can take dalil in Islam to prove yourself, you won't be referring me audios and scholars word as if it scholars that Allah sent to you


Alaimokan gidi ni e... just like Sharof Gbadebo raaaji madhabiyah

NobleStag007:
You are the greatest ignorant in this world.


If you understand the principles of islam and can take dalil in Islam to prove yourself, you won't be referring me audios and scholars word as if it scholars that Allah sent to you


Alaimokan gidi ni e... just like Sharof Gbadebo raaaji madhabiyah

Ahmak, inside the clip they open books of the salaf in their numbers. But you and your olodo alfa see less than you thought. Olodo, what did Allah and the Messenger He sent said about the virtues of Scholars and the benefits of returning to them? Besides, why are you defending and promoting Sheikhul Dalaala al-khaarij al-jaahil 'alee jabata when we don't have to return to scholars of Sunnah or affirm their virtues?

Orthodoxy:
Ahmak, inside the clip they open books of the salaf in their numbers. But you and your olodo alfa see less than you thought. Olodo, what did Allah and the Messenger He sent said about the virtues of Scholars and the benefits of returning to them? Besides, why are you defending and promoting Sheikhul Dalaala al-khaarij al-jaahil 'alee jabata when we don't have to return to scholars of Sunnah or affirm their virtues?

Abunu... He's khawarij because of said kulu bidha kufru.. mention 1 salaf that has called anyone khawarij because of that.

You are not learned. All you do vomit the crap your olodo scholars said .. without dalil. No wonder you have no idea about what you are doing

NobleStag007:
Abunu... He's khawarij because of said kulu bidha kufru.. mention 1 salaf that has called anyone khawarij because of that.

Ahmak, the first khawaarij are intelligent when compared to Sheikhul Dalaala al-khaarij al-jaahil 'alee jabata because they made takfir of muslims due to sins but Sheikhul Dalaala al-khaarij al-jaahil 'alee jabata and his boys made takfir out eating with spoon which is neither sin nor bid'ah. That is why Sheikhul Dalaala al-khaarij al-jaahil 'alee jabata is an ignorant khaarij

NobleStag007:
You are not learned. All you do vomit the crap your olodo scholars said .. without dalil. No wonder you have no idea about what you are doing

So 'Allamah Albani and Shaykh Zayed Madkhalee (may Allah's mercy be with them) are olodo now... That is the haddadiyyah manhaj we are talking about, inside you they should be kuffar right, because to you and your Sheikhul Dalaala al-khaarij al-jaahil 'alee jabata they called to the kufr of eating with spoon.

Done!

NobleStag007:
Khawarij is my dalil for kulu bidha kufru.

Where is Daleel in this? I doubt you know what Daleel is.

Orthodoxy:
So the scholars of our time are technically by you and olodo jabata promoting kufr to people.

They didn't reply this, I wonder why.

Anaybira:
Where is Daleel in this? I doubt you know what Daleel is.

I rest my case. You are extremely ignorant. No wonder all you do is post videos you don't understand nor can explain and quote scholars fatwa you don't understand or explain.
You are not worthy of my Time


I'll answer the question because of people that are reading NOT for you mr.ignoarnt



Rosul made takfeer and commanded that khawarij be killed whenever they show up BECAUSE THEY FALL INTO BIDIAH AND ALL BIDIAH IS KUFRU.

THEY WERE ONCE MUSLIMS. THEY READ QUR'AN, PERFORM SALAT, GO TO HAJJ, WEAR NISFU SAK, THEY DON'T PROSTRATE TO GREET AND THE LIKES. THEY HAVE THE IDENTIFICATION OF MUSLIMS.
THEN WHY ARE THEY KUFAR?

1. THEY FORMED A GROUP AND SEGREGATE THEMSELVES FROM MUSLIMS (SECTS) and there's Hadith already that all sect will enter hell except those that are upon what rosul and his sahabahs are. ALL SCHOLARS IN NIGERIA, THIS IS PART OF THE REASONS THEY HATE JABATA. BECAUSE HE SAID ALL SECT ARE KUFAR.

2. They were calling MUSLIMS kufar. They were making takfeer of the sahabahs.. just like the SECTS and mumayiun do call JABATA khawarij and takfeeri

3. They are killing MUSLIMS. They are killing the sahabahs.

4. They rebel against the leader. That is exactly why Voting, Protests, public criticism about leaders is shirk in Islam. It's manhaj of the khawarij. It's JABATA alone that doesn't rebel (vote, support protests nor criticize leaders in public)...others does it.. and yet it's JABATA they're calling khawarij

5. They call sinners Kufar. Someone that commit act of sin is regarded as kafir to them. This is manhaj of sufi, SECTS and mumayiun too. Not long ago Sarafa gbadebo Raji made takfeer of someone eating meat and drinking alcohol. And yet it's JABATA they're calling khawarij

Orthodoxy:
So 'Allamah Albani and Shaykh Zayed Madkhalee (may Allah's mercy be with them) are olodo now... That is the haddadiyyah manhaj we are talking about, inside you they should be kuffar right, because to you and your Sheikhul Dalaala al-khaarij al-jaahil 'alee jabata they called to the kufr of eating with spoon.

Done!

Sufi ni e.. laughing.. Manhaj e se clear simi ni.


It's only prophet Muhammad that can make mistakes in matters of Islam. Sahabahs can make mistakes and so the scholars too.

It's only learned person that can figure out their mistakes. If you know how to take dalil in Islam..to see scholars mistakes would be easier for you and you won't follow them blindly. Mind you, the scholars are not sinful due to their mistakes, it's you who follow their mistakes blindly that's going to be a kafir because that's taqlid(blind following) and the scholars have spoken against it. They said any of their fatwas without dalil... don't take it or follow it