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Ekrenji:
That was the punishment for sexual immorality in the days of Moses


What is the punishment for sexual immorality in Islam that even Mohammed himself executed while alive?


This is talking about wives submitting to their husband. It didn’t ask husbands to beat their wives unlike Quran 4:34 prescription:
“Men are caretakers of women, since Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because of the wealth they have spent. So, the righteous women are obedient, (and) guard (the property and honor of their husbands) in (their) absence with the protection given by Allah. As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest.”

There is nothing in the Quran that suggests that a man is allowed to beat his wife .

The Quran enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good.” [al-Nisa 4:19]

The Quran explains that women have rights over their husbands , just as their husbands have rights over them. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Majah, 1977; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Tirmidhi)
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) spoke a beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, “You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 6352; Muslim, 1628)
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Fear Allah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.
What is meant by “they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike” is that they should not allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses, whether the person disliked is a man or a woman, or any of the woman’s mahrams [close relatives to whom marriage is forbidden]. The prohibition includes all of them. (From the words of al-Nawawi)

The hadith may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great” [al-Nisa 4:34]

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury.

Al-Hasan al-Basri said: “This means that it should not cause pain.”

‘Ata said: I said to Ibn `Abbas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwak and the like. [A siwak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth ]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

Ekrenji:
Who inherited Khadija and turned her properties to his own?

Tell us where he turned her properties to his own ?

And compare it how your people use western court to steal properties of their husband ?

Solitechworld:
There is nothing in the Quran that suggests that a man is allowed to beat his wife .

The Quran enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good.” [al-Nisa 4:19]

The Quran explains that women have rights over their husbands , just as their husbands have rights over them. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Majah, 1977; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Tirmidhi)
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) spoke a beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, “You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 6352; Muslim, 1628)
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Fear Allah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.
What is meant by “they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike” is that they should not allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses, whether the person disliked is a man or a woman, or any of the woman’s mahrams [close relatives to whom marriage is forbidden]. The prohibition includes all of them. (From the words of al-Nawawi)

The hadith may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great” [al-Nisa 4:34]

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury.

Al-Hasan al-Basri said: “This means that it should not cause pain.”

‘Ata said: I said to Ibn `Abbas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwak and the like. [A siwak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth ]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

I provided you with Quran verse that shows that men should beat their wives and there you are doing copy and paste to confide yourself

Your Hadith shows that wife beating was rampant among Muslims during the days of Mohammed and he did not condemn it

Sahih al-Bukhari 5825
Narrated `Ikrima:
Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When `AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, `Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa`a." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa`a unless `Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet (ﷺ) saw two boys with `Abdur- Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that `AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"

doffman:
Tell us where he turned her properties to her own ?

And compare it how your people use western court to steal properties of their husband ?

Tell us where Khadija willingly submitted her properties/money to Mohammed

Ekrenji:
Tell us where Khadija willingly submitted her properties/money to Mohammed

😀😀😀

I thought you said he stole her property ?

Why can’t you defend what you said . 😀

So you people just write rubbish due to your hatred in your heart .

Common , I thought you have something upstair .

doffman:
😀😀😀

I thought you said he stole her property ?

Indicate where I said such!

Ekrenji:
Indicate where I said such!

Revert to your first reply to me and tell me what you insinuated.

doffman:
Revert to your first reply to me and tell me what you insinuated.

Show me where I said that Mohammed stole.
Put the screenshot here so that we can see who the liar is

Ekrenji:
Show me where I said that Mohammed stole.
Put the screenshot here so that we can see who the liar is

Since you confirmed he did not steal , I will let it go .

Ekrenji:
But that was not how the marriage of Khadija and Mohammed was, what the wealthy Khadija had became Mohammed’s own

Khadija wilingly gave her properties to the prophet to assist in his mission.She submitted her properties wiillingly,no other wives of the prophet did so and they were not forced to.

ibrhyme77:
Khadija wilingly gave her properties to the prophet to assist in his mission.She submitted her properties wiillingly,no other wives of the prophet did so and they were not forced to.

Where can we find what you wrote

doffman:
Since you confirmed he did not steal , I will let it go .

For thinking that I said he stole when I didn’t say it means that you believe that he stole, you can go now!

Ekrenji:
For thinking that I said he stole when I didn’t say it means that you believe that he stole, you can go now!

😀
Defend yourself with proof .

doffman:
😀
Defend yourself with proof .

Have you shown the proof that I said he stole?

Because you believe he stole, you now thought that others have that belief too

Ekrenji:
Have you shown the proof that I said he stole?

Because you believe he stole, you now thought that others have that belief too

Show me where I said he stole ?

Blind leading the deaf @ ShoeGetSize:

Please show us where it was reported the prophet was a rich man. Don't bother replying. Quran has described you perfectly. . We know who you are

Indeed, there was a group of My servants who used to pray, ‘Our Lord! We have believed, so forgive us and have mercy on us, for You are the best of those who show mercy,’

but you were ˹so busy˺ making fun of them that it made you forget My remembrance. And you used to laugh at them.

Ekrenji:
But that was not how the marriage of Khadija and Mohammed was, what the wealthy Khadija had became Mohammed’s own

I don't think anyone with a brain in his head has ever said that "prophet" Sex Award Winner (SAW) was a rich man. He was a man of lack, not a man of resources. He lacked intelligence, wealth, wisdom and morality and he lived and died as a spawn of Satan.

Sterope:
Blind leading the deaf @ ShoeGetSize:

Please show us where it was reported the prophet was a rich man. Don't bother replying. Quran has described you perfectly. . We know who you are

Sterope:
Blind leading the deaf @ ShoeGetSize:

Please show us where it was reported the prophet was a rich man. Don't bother replying. Quran has described you perfectly. . We know who you are

Show us where Khadija willingly gave her properties to Mohammed