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lawani:
■ Don't demolish me. Demolish my arguments instead. Religion itself is what kills and bullies in the public space and that is why it must be kicked out.
■ I don't have religious views at all. If I need spiritual help, I will go to experts and pay

Your argument is built on bias against a particular religion and your reasoning is that since you feel bullied by some of the teachings in that religion, the entire religion should be done away with. What can anyone do with that but call on you to grow a brain or something?

2. Yes you do have religious views of your claim. Earlier you had claimed all humans have some sort of spirituality, a claim equally believed by those who are religious. And there you acknowledge you also have your own gods-of-men whom you go to for help with your supposed religious problem just like those of the religion you condemn.

lawani:
Bros, I beg you to be reasonable.

What do you mean by reasonable ?

Because from what you just said it's clear that you have no knowledge about religion yet you want to make decisions on religion something you know almost nothing about!

lawani:
If i need spiritual help, I will go to experts and pay

Who are spiritual experts?
What quantifies them to be spiritual experts?

For your information the religions you're against are also means of getting held from spiritual experts but since the so called "experts" don't think alike and each is seeking his or her own glory that's why their followers are fighting and killing one another.

Is that not the same reason you want religion to be kicked out?

So if religion is kicked out (which will surely happen shortly) know today that you can't get any spiritual help from your so called "experts" because all of them would have been silenced and they will find something else to do for a living!

lawani:
Why?. Is there any other solution?. Religion started with Christianity two thousand years ago and what it added to us are new reasons to.hate, fight and kill each other in the public. Don't you think it should recline out of public spaces? The foolishness that started one day will.end one day

Were people not already fighting and killing each other since Ur?

Solution. God should let all evil and bad people to wipe themselves to extinction. Problem solved.

MaxInDHouse:
Who are spiritual experts?
What quantifies them to be spiritual experts?

For your information the religions you're against are also means of getting held from spiritual experts but since the so called "experts" don't think alike and each is seeking his or her own glory that's why their followers are fighting and killing one another.

Is that not the same reason you want religion to be kicked out?

So if religion is kicked out (which will surely happen shortly) know today that you can't get any spiritual help from your so called "experts" because all of them would have been silenced and they will find something else to do for a living!

I mean there are spiritualists or meta physicists who don't threaten unbelievers with damnation and who use methodology that can be demonstrated or taught to others. They don't preach hatred and etc. Those are who I mean

StillDtruth:
Were people not already fighting and killing each other since Ur?

Solution. God should all all evil and bad people to wipe themselves to extinction. Problem solved.

Religion preach the apocalypse. They say we will all go down with them

There is nothing wrong in spirituality done as a paid consultancy. The consultant will use divination and etc

lawani:
Religion preach the apocalypse. They say we will all go down with them

Not we Christians. Christians are going up.to meet God but alll evil people will stay down to Burn.

So God solves the problem.

Kobojunkie:
This was what I was afraid of. This, by you, is merely some tirade against Christianity, isn't it?

Religion did not start with Christianity and it will not end if Christianity is done away with tomorrow. Religion is a man-made political scheme designed by men for their benefit.

Religion cannot end. Man longs for that which is lost. Humanity yearns to return to his first estate in God but sadly they are going about it the wrong way.

Jesus said I am the Way to that which mankind seek for. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Religion is as old as man... Religion is man trying to take himself back to Eden(the presence of God). It can never end as long as mankind exist.

lawani:
I mean there are spiritualists or meta physicists who don't threaten unbelievers with damnation and who use methodology that can be demonstrated or taught to others. They don't preach hatred and etc. Those are who I mean

There is none!

There attitude is determined by the number of customers they have once there is competition among them they will scheme ways to prove that there is something wrong in going to other marketers.
That's humans for you.
Your so called meta physicists don't have enough customers to make themselves important that's why they are laying low!

MaxInDHouse:
There is none!

There attitude is determined by the number of customers they have once there is competition among them they will scheme ways to prove that there is something wrong in going to other marketers.
That's humans for you.
Your so called meta physicists don't have enough customers to make themselves important that's why they are laying low!

I understand what you mean but traditional spiritualist are not like Christians that have branches all over the land and operate like multi nationals. A Babalawo for instance is a one man business of master and apprentices and they thrive by referrals. You can never see a Babalawo owning a private jet. What they.just need is to.have a properly chartered body to organize them. They have traditional bodies called Iledis but not chartered yet

Youareforgiven:
Religion cannot end. Man longs for that which is lost. Humanity yearns to return to his first estate in God but sadly they are going about it the wrong way.

Jesus said I am the Way to that which mankind seek for. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Religion is as old as man... Religion is man trying to take himself back to Eden(the presence of God). It can never end as long as mankind exist.

Threatening unbelievers of holy books with damnation is not as old as man. I beg your pardon. It started with Christianity

lawani:
Threatening unbelievers of holy books with damnation is not as old as man. I beg your pardon. It started with Christianity

Who is threatening who? You call the truth threatening. Jesus Christ who created the world as it is says the world will not always remain this away. He will make all things new but the old one has to go. This present earth will be destroyed along with those who does not have the Holy Spirit in them.

Those who have His Spirit in them will be able to live in the new earth and also do His will perfectly. A world where evil will be no more... Righteousness will reign for eternity.

lawani:
You can never see a Babalawo owning a private jet.

You're so shallow minded that you amuses with each post.

For your information those owning private jets are sons or foaster sons of Babalawo all of them have spiritual godfathers who are spiritists so they're all members of the same coven!

Youareforgiven:
Who is threatening who? You call the truth threatening. Jesus Christ who created the world as it is says the world will not always remain this away. He will make all things new but the old one has to go. This present earth will be destroyed along with those who does not have the Holy Spirit in them.

Those who have His Spirit in them will be able to live in the new earth and also do His will perfectly. A world where evil will be no more... Righteousness will reign for eternity.

I wonder why you think threatening law abiding people with damnation is your fundamental human right

lawani:
So you think spiritualities that issue threats to unbelievers and kill dissenters in public are the same as those who don't?. Let us leave word usage for now

What makes your threat to believers any different to the threat of believers to unbelievers?

I detest believers because they don't bother to use their brains to ask and knock and seek. But rather than ban what makes them believe, I'd rather they be educated to use their brains so they may know.

lawani:
Threatening unbelievers of holy books with damnation is not as old as man. I beg your pardon. It started with Christianity

Have you never heard of Socrates?

Not only was he threatened for being an unbeliever, he was made to drink poison and die pre-christianity.

budaatum:
What makes your threat to believers any different to the threat of believers to unbelievers?

I detest believers because they don't bother to use their brains to ask and knock and seek. But rather than ban what makes them believe, I'd rather they be educated to use their brains so they may know.

My threat to believers?. I am asking that the government move against them for threatening law abiding people with hell fire. That is not the same as what they do. I have the need to do what I am doing

lawani:
My threat to believers?. I am asking that the government move against them for threatening law abiding people with hell fire. That is not the same as what they do. I have the need to do what I am doing

They too will tell you they have the need to do what they do.

Youareforgiven:
■ Religion cannot end. Man longs for that which is lost. Humanity yearns to return to his first estate in God but sadly they are going about it the wrong way.
■ Jesus said I am the Way to that which mankind seek for. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Religion is as old as man... Religion is man trying to take himself back to Eden(the presence of God). It can never end as long as mankind exist.

Religion cannot end because of the insatiable greed of men for power and control over their fellow men.

2. Stop mentioning Jesus Christ who never gave religion to any man; at least realize that he vehemently condemned the religious groups of his time to understand how he cannot be linked to such things. Oh, by the way, the religion of Judaism which Jesus Christ condemned is the same one that Christianity is fashioned from. Isn't that interesting?

budaatum:
They too will tell you they have the need to do what they do.

How can they say and be right that they have a need to be going about threatening law abiding people?. Nobody has such a right. They threaten me daily is why I have interest in stopping them. At least the none sense started two thousand years ago

lawani:
■ How can they say and be right that they have a need to be going about threatening law abiding people?.
■ Nobody has such a right. They threaten me daily is why I have interest in stopping them.
■ At least the none sense started two thousand years ago

You also have none of that right either but here you are threatening to have them, and not you, removed from public space.

2. They threaten you daily, then go sue them in the courts as the law allows you to do just that. Stop going around online whining; if there are persons who bully and threaten you, then take them to court. Be sure to film them bullying you and whatnot so you can make better of your case.

3. The nonsense did not start two thousand years ago. Rather the particular religion you seem to direct the bulk of your bias against started approximately 1600 years ago.

Kobojunkie:
You also have none of that right either but here you are threatening to have them, and not you, removed from public space.

They threaten you daily, then go sue them in the courts as the law allows you to do just that.

all this is to soften the ground for the court action that will be the climax of everything. It is the courts that will direct them to stop being incorporated or operating in public not me. Then people threatening law abiding people can not be described as law abiding people. Also I am.not directing anger at only Christianity but at Christianity and islam

lawani:
■ all this is to soften the ground for the court action that will be the climax of everything. It is the courts that will direct them to stop being incorporated or operating in public not me. Then people threatening law abiding people can not be described as law abiding people

Let me guess! You like to live in your head a lot, don't you? At least try to visit reality more often. No court of law would ban any one religion to make you or your particular religion feel better about itself!

Kobojunkie:
Let me guess! You like to live in your head a lot, don't you? At least try to visit reality more often. No court of law would ban any one religion to make you or your particular religion feel better about itself!

Let me live anywhere. I at least am not confused about what I want unlike you. What even is your mission on naira land?

lawani:
■ Let me live anywhere. I at least am not confused about what I want unlike you. What even is your mission on naira land?

What you don't like is Christianity; your particular bias is against Christianity while you pretend your own religion is in someway better and less damaging than it to society. From where I sit, however, all religions — including yours — are the same.

Kobojunkie:
What you don't like is Christianity; your particular bias is against Christianity while you pretend your own religion is in someway better and less damaging than it to society. From where I sit, however, all religions — including yours — are the same.

I don't practice religion at all. If you continue lumping all spiritualities with the Abrahamic ones then you are a confusionIst. Why don't you go to other threads since we can not agree on anything. You have not been reading me is why you say I spare Islam. Just go to other threads.

lawani:
■ I don't practice religion at all. If you continue lumping all spiritualities with the Abrahamic ones then you are a confusionIst. Why don't you go to other threads since we can not agree on anything. You have not been reading me is why you say I spare Islam. Just go to other threads.

You do!

lawani:
Don't demolish me. Demolish my arguments instead. Religion itself is what kills and bullies in the public space and that is why it must be kicked out. I don't have religious views at all. If I need spiritual help, I will go to experts and pay

You just think that living in denial of it means the same as not having it.

Kobojunkie:
You do! You just think that living in denial of it means the same as not having it.

I don't understand you. If I need help I will go to those that can demonstrate their methodology and not those of religion that hear voices in their heads

lawani:
I don't understand you. If I need help I will go to those that can demonstrate their methodology and not those of religion that hear voices in their heads

Unless you are referring to medical doctors — practitioners of scientific methodologies—here, you are still talking religion! No matter which way you twist and turn it, it is still religion.

Kobojunkie:
Unless you are referring to medical doctors — practitioners of scientific methodologies—here, you are still talking religion! No matter which way you twist and turn it, it is still religion.

Do you accept that all others are different from the Abrahamic ones that proselytize and threaten people?. Lumping them together in my opinion is unfair. Do you agree?. Religion is a new word and traditional spiritualities predate it. If you don't understand, it is OK. No need to insult me. Lumping them together is the biggest tactic of my enemies

lawani:
■ Do you accept that all others are different from the Abrahamic ones that proselytize and threaten people?. Lumping them together in my opinion is unfair. Do you agree?. Religion is a new word and traditional spiritualities predate it. If you don't understand, it is OK. No need to insult me. Lumping them together is the biggest tactic of my enemies

Again, all Religions are the same. Religion is a political system by which men whose main desire is power and control over the gullible in society through the use of lies and manipulation hidden behind the mentions of a supposed divine.