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MaxInDHouse:
You have not quoted a verse that supports the exemption of preaching from the WORKS of salvation!

I don't need to. Scripture didn't say well perish if we don't preach. You didn't bring any scriptures to prove that point except the ones you misquoted.

Of course in God's organization offices differs but we must all PREACH and TEACH in our neighborhood.

Yes we must all preach in order to receive heavenly rewards. No scripture says we must all preach in order to be saved.

For instance in my own congregation i am one of the shepherds that doesn't exempt me from going out to preach and teach in my neighborhood the same is with members of our Governing Body who are serving in the office of Apostles over all the congregations globally yet each of them must preach and teach in his neighborhood.

No one is exempted from preaching. However preaching does guarantee salvation, neither is it a prerequisite for receiving eternal life.

So the preaching WORK is tied to our salvation because that's the command Jesus gave all of us!

Jesus commanded us all to preach but He never said if you don't preach you shall be doomed. There's no scripture that ties your preaching to your salvation. Infact someone can preach and still be doomed.

FxMasterz:
Scripture didn't say well perish if we don't preach.

Whoever ignores the command from God's only begotten Son will PERISH! John 3:16

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever ignores the command from God's only begotten Son will PERISH! John 3:16

That's for those who refuse to listen and heed the gospel of salvation. No scripture says you'll perish for not preaching to others. You won't get a reward when others are getting. That's the punishment.

FxMasterz:
That's for those who refuse to listen and heed the gospel of salvation. No scripture says you'll perish for not preaching to others. You won't get a reward when others are getting. That's the punishment.

The only reward God promised all His servants is everlasting life which Adam's descendants don't deserve as sinners.
So if you ignore Christ's command to preach it simply means you have not accepted him as your King so you have no share in his Kingdom.
Don't deceive yourself thinking people who said they accepted him on their dying moments are going to gain everlasting life.
NO!
They only have a chance to be resurrected in Paradise {Luke 23:43} there we must still preach and teach resurrected ones who never had the opportunity to hear about God's Kingdom, at that time all those who resurrected based on accepting Jesus as King must humbly support the preaching work with all their mighty as gratitude for a second chance given them to serve our King. That is when all those who refused to obey the command from our King will not be able to get their names in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} because it's only those PRACTICING what Jesus said regarding preaching and teaching that the angels will include their names! Malachi 3:16

So whether you like it or not know today that your salvation is tied to the preaching and teaching work Christ Jesus COMMANDED all his disciples. If any of them falls into sin due to imperfection he or she will be forgiven for being obedient to God's only begotten Son. Romans 7:15-25; Proverbs 24:16; Luke 22:31-32

But no matter your self righteousness it's of no worth before our God {Isaiah 64:6} if you refused to do the work Jesus assigned all his subjects!

Ken4Christ:
Please, what Is the message you are trying to convey?

You asked for NT Bible verse that supported tithing and I provided it.

MaxInDHouse:
The only reward God promised all His servants is everlasting life which Adam's descendants don't deserve as sinners.
So if you ignore Christ's command to preach it simply means you have not accepted him as your King so you have no share in his Kingdom.
Don't deceive yourself thinking people who said they accepted him on their dying moments are going to gain everlasting life.
NO!
They only have a chance to be resurrected in Paradise {Luke 23:43} there we must still preach and teach resurrected ones who never had the opportunity to hear about God's Kingdom, at that time all those who resurrected based on accepting Jesus as King must humbly support the preaching work with all their mighty as gratitude for a second chance given them to serve our King. That is when all those who refused to obey the command from our King will not be able to get their names in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} because it's only those PRACTICING what Jesus said regarding preaching and teaching that the angels will include their names! Malachi 3:16

So whether you like it or not know today that your salvation is tied to the preaching and teaching work Christ Jesus COMMANDED all his disciples. If any of them falls into sin due to imperfection he or she will be forgiven for being obedient to God's only begotten Son. Romans 7:15-25; Proverbs 24:16; Luke 22:31-32

But no matter your self righteousness it's of no worth before our God {Isaiah 64:6} if you refused to do the work Jesus assigned all his subjects!

I can't but laugh at the following lines:

1. The only reward God promised to all his servants is everlasting life.

2. If you don't heed Christ's command to preach, it means you have not accepted Him as your King

3. Only those practicing what Jesus said regarding preaching would have their names written in the book by the angels.

4. In paradise, we must still preach and teach the resurrected ones.

5. Whether you like it or not, know today that your salvation is tied to the preaching and teaching work Christ commanded.

Hahaha, where do I even start from? How can you have this truckload of heresies and call yourself a follower of Christ?

FxMasterz:
I can't but laugh at the following lines:

1. The only reward God promised to all his servants is everlasting life.

2. If you don't heed Christ's command to preach, it means you have not accepted Him as your King

3. Only those practicing what Jesus said regarding preaching would have their names written in the book by the angels.

4. In paradise, we must still preach and teach the resurrected ones.

5. Whether you like it or not, know today that your salvation is tied to the preaching and teaching work Christ commanded.

Hahaha, where do I even start from? How can you have this truckload of heresies and call yourself a follower of Christ?

Ọmọ you know nothing about Christ but since PRIDE will not allow you to learn i will leave you to continue with your opinion.

Just remember that the only exercise that makes anyone a Christian is being part of those preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom as Jesus commanded!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you know nothing about Christ but since PRIDE will not allow you to learn i will leave you to continue with your opinion.

Just remember that the only exercise that makes anyone a Christian is being part of those preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom as Jesus commanded!

The bolded as well as the points I laughed about in my previous post shows that that you're the one who knows nothing but pride wouldn't allow you learn. Can you show me any scripture that says preaching and teaching are the ONLY activities that make you a Christian?

A demon possessed girl followed Paul and Barnabas preaching and proclaiming along, yet she was not a Christian. Paul had to cast out her preaching demons. Not every preacher is of God.

But anyone who is full of the Holy Spirit is of God whether he preaches or not.

"You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ." - Romans 8:9.

Therefore,

"Don't be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs among yourselves, and making music to the Lord in your hearts." - Ephesians 5:18

FxMasterz:
A demon possessed girl followed Paul and Barnabas preaching and proclaiming along, yet she was not a Christian. Paul had to cast out her preaching demons. Not every preacher is of God.

You just like deceiving yourself!

Was the girl preaching and teaching about the Kingdom of God as commanded by Christ Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:
You just like deceiving yourself!

Was the girl preaching and teaching about the Kingdom of God as commanded by Christ Jesus?

Acts 16:17

"This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.”

Was she cursing the kingdom of God?

At least you can see now that ONLY those who have the Spirit of God in them are known of God. God never said ONLY those who preach are known of Him. You mean the deaf and dumb who can't preach are not known of Him?

oranget:
You asked for NT Bible verse that supported tithing and I provided it.

New Testament started from Acts.

Jesus was still under the Old Testament when he carried out his ministry.

FxMasterz:
Acts 16:17

"This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.”

Was she cursing the kingdom of God?

At least you can see now that ONLY those who have the Spirit of God in them are known of God. God never said ONLY those who preach are known of Him. You mean the deaf and dumb who can't preach are not known of Him?

Those demons are mocking the way of holiness that's why we always silence them {Mark 1:24-25} they are not for us but against us!

As for blind, deaf and dumb in our midst they are also preaching the Good News ask anyone around you!

MaxInDHouse:
Those demons are mocking the way of holiness that's why we always silence them {Mark 1:24-25} they are not for us but against us!

That should tell you then that not all preaching is acceptable to God. Preaching itself is not a prerequisite for salvation.

As for blind, deaf and dumb in our midst they are also preaching the Good News ask anyone around you!

That's for those who can communicate effectively. What about those who can't?

FxMasterz:
That should tell you then that not all preaching is acceptable to God. Preaching itself is not a prerequisite for salvation.

Our preaching has a THEME "GOD'S KINGDOM" {Matthew 10:7} demon can't preach it because it's the foundation of chasm that makes them darkness while we are the light. Luke 16:26 compare to Genesis 3:15
So if you don't know this sacred secret any form of religion can deceive you with whatever they are preaching.
Only true Christians can preach the Good News of God's kingdom! Romans 10:13-15

FxMasterz:
That's for those who can communicate effectively. What about those who can't?

According to God's word nobody can effectively communicate regarding the Good News of God's kingdom that's why we must be taught how to preach and teach so all modern day servants of our God must be trained to become effective evangelizers no matter their condition!

OkCornel:
No, we must discuss tithes. Pastors keep preaching that Christians should tithe.

So therefore;

1. Where did God request for money as tithes?
2. Why aren’t Pastors preaching that it’s scriptural for tithers to eat their tithe in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?
3. Where did God request tithes from gentile believers? Especially after how the crises in the early church was resolved in Acts 15.


When y’all ready to speak the truth and stop the manipulation let us know.

What I meant by saying we shouldn't talk about tithe is because it fall short of Christ expectations. Jesus says give 100% and you are three struggling with 10%. Don't you get it?

Ken4Christ:
What I meant by saying we shouldn't talk about tithe is because it fall short of Christ expectations. Jesus says give 100% and you are three struggling with 10%. Don't you get it?

10% of what exactly did God ask for and from whom?

Don’t shy away from this please.

And why aren’t pastors preaching that it’s scriptural for tithers to eat their tithes as per Deuteronomy 14 v 22-26?

I have no qualms against freewill giving, but I surely have qualms with liars twisting the scriptures to manipulate people into monetary tithing as a requirement for gentile believers.

OkCornel:
10% of what exactly did God ask for and from whom?

Don’t shy away from this please.

And why aren’t pastors preaching that it’s scriptural for tithers to eat their tithes as per Deuteronomy 14 v 22-26?

I have no qualms against freewill giving, but I surely have qualms with liars twisting the scriptures to manipulate people into monetary tithing as a requirement for gentile believers.

I started this thread by asking anyone to show me where we are commanded to give freewill offerings in the New Testament. No one has been able to show me.

My bone of contention is that those who say people should not pay tithe because it was not commanded should do the same for offerings.

Another bone of contention is you condemn tithe collection because there are no such instructions to receive tithe but you refuse to do that which is instructed. And it places a greater demand than tithing.

Concerning the issue of Pastors not preaching about tithe being eating, this is where I am going to. I am making my recommendations from the same view point. Hence, I mentioned administration.

In any case such eating of tithes or it being given to widows, orphans etc was done periodically. It wasn't all the time. It was once in every three years. And the one for feasting is done once in a year.

So, don’t create a picture as though tithes collected all the time was shared. It was still primarily for the Levites.

In conclusion, if you don't believe tithe should be collected, practice the one Jesus instructed us to do. Sell all your properties and help the poor. Why are you avoiding this instruction as though it's not in the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Cases of OFFERINGS in the New Testament!

And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.Luke 21:2

Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: Acts 11:29

For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. Corinthians 8:12

But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 2Corinthians 9:6-7
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All from the KJV

The only religion that is doing what Jesus commanded.
In Matthew 23:23 , Jesus didn't command to stop tithing nah?
He only emphasize to concentrate on weightier part of the Law not to leave tithing unpaid.
What do you say?

Ken4Christ:
I started this thread by asking anyone to show me where we are commanded to give freewill offerings in the New Testament. No one has been able to show me.

My bone of contention is that those who say people should not pay tithe because it was not commanded should do the same for offerings.

Another bone of contention is you condemn tithe collection because there are no such instructions to receive tithe but you refuse to do that which is instructed. And it places a greater demand than tithing.

Concerning the issue of Pastors not preaching about tithe being eating, this is where I am going to. I am making my recommendations from the same view point. Hence, I mentioned administration.

In any case such eating of tithes or it being given to widows, orphans etc was done periodically. It wasn't all the time. It was once in every three years. And the one for feasting is done once in a year.

So, don’t create a picture as though tithes collected all the time was shared. It was still primarily for the Levites.

In conclusion, if you don't believe tithe should be collected, practice the one Jesus instructed us to do. Sell all your properties and help the poor. Why are you avoiding this instruction as though it's not in the Bible.

1) Where did Jesus instruct all his followers to sell all their properties and help the poor?

Book, chapter and verse please.

2) Where exactly in the scripture does it state eating of tithes is done just once every three years?

3) Where did the Apostles demand tithes from believers for church administration?

MaxInDHouse:
Our preaching has a THEME "GOD'S KINGDOM" {Matthew 10:7} demon can't preach it because it's the foundation of chasm that makes them darkness while we are the light. Luke 16:26 compare to Genesis 3:15
So if you don't know this sacred secret any form of religion can deceive you with whatever they are preaching.
Only true Christians can preach the Good News of God's kingdom! Romans 10:13-15

This is actually a lie. Infact the scriptures warn us against false preachers. Yeah demons can falsely preach about the Kingdom of God. But the kingdom is actually the kingdom of Satan in disguise.
Here are some scriptures warning about false preachers:

1. Matthew 7:15-20: Beware of false prophets.
2. Matthew 24:4-5, 11, 24: False messiahs and prophets.
3. Acts 20:29-31: Savage wolves (false teachers) among you.
4. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15: False apostles, deceitful workers.
5. Galatians 1:6-9: Different gospel, false teachers.
6. 1 Timothy 4:1-3: Departing from the faith, false teachings.
7. 2 Peter 2:1-3, 12-22: False prophets and teachers.
8. 1 John 4:1-6: Test the spirits, false prophets.
9. Jude 1:4, 12-19: False teachers, corrupting the faith.

Characteristics of False Preachers:

1. Deceitful words (2 Corinthians 11:3).
2. Self-seeking (2 Peter 2:3).
3. Greed (Titus 1:11).
4. False teachings (Galatians 1:6-9).
5. Lack of love (1 John 4:.
6. Denying Christ (2 Peter 2:1).
7. Immoral lives (Jude 1:4, 12-19).

How to Identify False Preachers:

1. Compare teachings to Scripture (Acts 17:11).
2. Check their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).
3. Look for humility, not arrogance (1 Corinthians 3:18-23).
4. Be cautious of sensationalism (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).
5. Seek wise counsel (Proverbs 11:14).

According to God's word nobody can effectively communicate regarding the Good News of God's kingdom that's why we must be taught how to preach and teach so all modern day servants of our God must be trained to become effective evangelizers no matter their condition!

This is another lie. It is the Holy Ghost who teaches. No amount of human training can make anyone an effective preacher.

But, you tried to dodge the real question. For those who cannot effectively communicate or express themselves, how do they preach? Do they stand condemned for their inability to preach since ONLY preaching gets people saved according to you?

FxMasterz:
demons can falsely preach about the Kingdom of God. But the kingdom is actually the kingdom of Satan in disguise.

Highlighted is IMPOSSIBLE!

This is where you are getting confused!

First of all you need to know what God's word said about the head of God's Kingdom and the head of Worldly Kingdom if you don't know the difference between the two then you can't adequately preach about God's Kingdom and you will surely be misled anytime Satan's agents raises their false teachings.

Satan is the head of the Kingdom of darkness, demons are his subordinates in the spirit realms and politicians are their human representatives so if you don't know this then you've lost sight of God's Kingdom message.

Jesus is the head of the Kingdom of light, angels are his spiritual attendants while his disciples are his representatives you must identify these people otherwise you can't know the side you should be. You once said you used to attend religious service with any (living) church around you this simply means you have failed to recognize Jesus' disciples who have a unique message and assignment.

No agents of Satan can preach about God's Kingdom because it's the main issue that led to a division among the angels in heaven {Matthew 12:25} so once a person decides to preach the truth about God's Kingdom Satan, demons and their human representatives will begin persecuting him or her immediately {Matthew 24:9} you will notice that despite the confusion among all the different religions on this planet they're all against one single religion (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) because that's the only religion Jesus is using to propagate the Good News of his Kingdom. The rest are in darkness that's why they will easily pick up weapons to fight and kill not just their neighbors but their fellow worshipers yet they will claim they are for Christ Jesus who commanded his own disciples never to raise weapons against anyone {Matthew 26:52} to love their neighbors as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to have intense love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35

Satan's goal is to see that everything is destroyed before God destroys him {Revelations 12:12} so he has come to steal, to kill and to destroy {John 10:10} that's why all the religions under his control can't help resolve their disparities unlike those who have the light {Isaiah 2:4} rather their spiritual father has blinded them {2Corinthians 4:4} so they can't see through his lies therefore they kill one another at will! John 8:44

If you want to know more start a thread entitled "What is the message of the Good News?" tag all those you think can make meaningful contributions and i will be there to air what i know!

MightySparrow:
The only religion that is doing what Jesus commanded.
In Matthew 23:23 , Jesus didn't command to stop tithing nah?
He only emphasize to concentrate on weightier part of the Law not to leave tithing unpaid.
What do you say?

Delusion!

Ken4Christ:
New Testament started from Acts.

Jesus was still under the Old Testament when he carried out his ministry.

Wow, I didn't know Matthew was categorized under Old Testament until today, thank you for opening my eyes to see this truth.

oranget:
Wow, I didn't know Matthew was categorized under Old Testament until today, thank you for opening my eyes to see this truth.

Though it is contained in the New Testament section of the Bible, the New Testament started after the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Hebrew 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Ken4Christ:
Though it is contained in the New Testament section of the Bible, the New Testament started after the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Hebrew 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Do you mean "the Gospels" were written during the lifetime of Jesus Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
Highlighted is IMPOSSIBLE!

This is where you are getting confused!

First of all you need to know what God's word said about the head of God's Kingdom and the head of Worldly Kingdom if you don't know the difference between the two then you can't adequately preach about God's Kingdom and you will surely be misled anytime Satan's agents raises their false teachings.

Satan is the head of the Kingdom of darkness, demons are his subordinates in the spirit realms and politicians are their human representatives so if you don't know this then you've lost sight of God's Kingdom message.

Jesus is the head of the Kingdom of light, angels are his spiritual attendants while his disciples are his representatives you must identify these people otherwise you can't know the side you should be. You once said you used to attend religious service with any (living) church around you this simply means you have failed to recognize Jesus' disciples who have a unique message and assignment.

No agents of Satan can preach about God's Kingdom because it's the main issue that led to a division among the angels in heaven {Matthew 12:25} so once a person decides to preach the truth about God's Kingdom Satan, demons and their human representatives will begin persecuting him or her immediately {Matthew 24:9} you will notice that despite the confusion among all the different religions on this planet they're all against one single religion (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) because that's the only religion Jesus is using to propagate the Good News of his Kingdom. The rest are in darkness that's why they will easily pick up weapons to fight and kill not just their neighbors but their fellow worshipers yet they will claim they are for Christ Jesus who commanded his own disciples never to raise weapons against anyone {Matthew 26:52} to love their neighbors as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to have intense love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35

Satan's goal is to see that everything is destroyed before God destroys him {Revelations 12:12} so he has come to steal, to kill and to destroy {John 10:10} that's why all the religions under his control can't help resolve their disparities unlike those who have the light {Isaiah 2:4} rather their spiritual father has blinded them {2Corinthians 4:4} so they can't see through his lies therefore they kill one another at will! John 8:44

If you want to know more start a thread entitled "What is the message of the Good News?" tag all those you think can make meaningful contributions and i will be there to air what i know!

I have told you that demons can can FALSELY preach the kingdom of God and there are many demons doing it today.

Did you read the word 'FALSELY?'

MaxInDHouse:
Delusion!

Why does your organization pick house to house evangelism, condemning others for not doing it and rejecting what he didn't outrightly reject being part of the Law?

Matt.23.23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

oranget:
Do you mean "the Gospels" were written during the lifetime of Jesus Christ?

No, it was written after the death of Jesus. But it's about the ministry of Jesus carried out in the last years of the Old Testament. Most of the things Jesus said were directed to the Jews only.

FxMasterz:
I have told you that demons can can FALSELY preach the kingdom of God and there are many demons doing it today.
Did you read the word 'FALSELY?'

The highlighted is a lie, demons can never and will never preach the Kingdom of God it's you who doesn't know the truth about Kingdom of God they can deceive.

Today if i see any preacher before uttering three sentences i can tell you that he or she is preaching for God or Satan.

So it's you they can deceive not a real Christian!

MightySparrow:
Why does your organization pick house to house evangelism, condemning others for not doing it and rejecting what he didn't outrightly reject being part of the Law?
Matt.23.23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Delusion!

Ken4Christ:
No, it was written after the death of Jesus. But it's about the ministry of Jesus carried out in the last years of the Old Testament. Most of the things Jesus said were directed to the Jews only.

Guy stop deceiving yourself the New Testament began the very day John baptized Jesus of Nazareth from that very moment all those going to John need not go to him anymore rather they supposed to join Jesus of Nazareth who started as the mediator of the New Covenant that's why John told his disciples to leave him and follow Jesus Christ {John 1:29, 36-39} When John's disciples saw that Jesus' disciples were baptizing people they became jealous and reported to John but instead of John to get annoyed he said to them:
[/b]“A man cannot receive a single thing unless it has been given him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but I have been sent ahead of that one.’ Whoever has the bride is the bridegroom. But the friend of the bridegroom, when he stands and hears him, has a great deal of joy on account of the voice of the bridegroom. So my joy has been made complete. That one must keep on increasing, but I must keep on decreasing.” John 3:27-30[/b]
So John's assignment is the end of the Old Testament while Jesus' ministry is the beginning of the New Testament!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a lie, demons can never and will never preach the Kingdom of God it's you who doesn't know the truth about Kingdom of God they can deceive.

Today if i see any preacher before uttering three sentences i can tell you that he or she is preaching for God or Satan.

So it's you they can deceive not a real Christian!

My dear, stop deceiving yourself.

I have met a woman who told me of a man who told her to.join their church. He told her that everyone who joins them would enter into the kingdom of God. He also said she can see visions of the Kingdom of God where they're going right now. The woman exclaimed 'Wow', and as she did, the man slapped her chest in a rap. Then pointed her to look towards the sky. There she beheld a very beautiful city up in the sky. She said it was so beautiful. As she continued to gaze, the man commented, "That's God's Kingdom. We'll be there some day."

This is clearly not the Kingdom of God, but demons in a certain cult have shown them a fake kingdom with sightly conviction.