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I found this article and it's really amaizing and I will want us to view and drop comment because for me am confused already and I want the pastors in the house and imam in the house too to share their views


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egU182PNy-k?si=jwRjkuPO88Mf2yco


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All religions are the same except one that God Himself established to unite people of all nations under one umbrella to form a big and happy family of peace loving worshipers where they will no longer use their resources and senses to create destructive devices rather they will divert all their resources into the production of food and information materials and forever stop learning about wars! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Any other religion apart from this is man-made and it's of no value!

MaxInDHouse:
All religions are the same except one that God Himself established to unite people of all nations under one umbrella to form a big and happy family of peace loving worshipers where they will no longer use their resources and senses to create destructive devices rather they will divert all their resources into the production of food and information materials and forever stop learning about wars! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Any other religion apart from this is man-made and it's of no value!

Sooo, what will they do when Nasrallah comes for them? Hypocritically depend on others to protect them?
Please educate us

Tayorshd87:
I found this article and it's really amaizing and I will want us to view and drop comment because for me am confused already and I want the pastors in the house and imam in the house too to share their views

https://yout.be/egU182PNy-k?si=jwRjkuPO88M


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Moslems are WRONG that Christ was just another prophet.
Prophets don't:
1) Forgive sins
2) Say they are one with the father and once you've seen them you've seen the Father
3) Are not foretold 1000's of years b4 they come - as God comming to stay with us, and foretold to be named Emmanuel (God with us)
4) A mighty prophet (John the Baptist) does not say he's not fit to untie another prophet's shoes
5) Do not rise from dead after 3 days
6 Etc

DaddyCoool:
Sooo, what will they do when Nasrallah comes for them? Hypocritically depend on others to protect them? Please educate us

We are talking about religion and it's values so it's as if you don't really understand what we are saying here.
If the person you mentioned knew very well that everyone around him is for God and only him is not what do you think he will do?
Well the problem is that as long as there are useless religions which is of no value exists individuals like him will hide under such groups claiming they are also worshiping the same God that's why it's very very important to ask ourselves that question:
Which one is the TRUE RELIGION?
For your information religion is the only means humans can use to cohabit peacefully and that's the purpose so if any religion is still promoting or permissive regarding violence then such a religion is worthless!

MaxInDHouse:
We are talking about religion and it's values so it's as if you don't really understand what we are saying here.
If the person you mentioned knew very well that everyone around him is for God and only him is not what do you think he will do?
Well the problem is that as long as there are useless religions which is of no value exists individuals like him will hide under such groups claiming they are also worshiping the same God that's why it's very very important to ask ourselves that question:
Which one is the TRUE RELIGION?
For your information religion is the only means humans can use to cohabit peacefully and that's the purpose so if any religion is still promoting or permissive regarding violence then such a religion is worthless!

Oga answer the question. Someone comes to forcefully convert you because he believes he is mandated by God to give you choice of conversion or death. What do you do?
Even in nature the herd fights to protect itself and offsprings or it'll be anihilated.
You hypocritically hide under protection afforded by armies while talking nonsense. How long do you think JW would last against onslaught of Islam without protection accorded by armies?

DaddyCoool:
Oga answer the question. Someone comes to forcefully convert you because he believes he is mandated by God to give you choice of conversion or death. What do you do?
Even in nature the herd fights to protect itself and offsprings or it'll be anihilated.
You hypocritically hide under protection afforded by armies while talking nonsense. How long do you think JW would last against onslaught of Islam without protection accorded by armies?

Hmmmmmmmmmm, well let me EDUCATE you.
Only a man can't convert a whole community using violence he or she will need supporters so it's when you support him or her that such a group will thrive for a period until it's natural death due to internal forces, many among them will start to think about what is really happening and to fight against terrorism after some time. That's what's happening to Islamic nations today don't think it's just the West that's conquering them through the use of weapons the truth is many among them are tired of living for the God they were forced to embrace.
But if each person has to choose willingly such movement will last forever.

DaddyCoool:
Moslems are WRONG that Christ was just another prophet.
Prophets don't:
1) Forgive sins
2) Say they are one with the father and once you've seen them you've seen the Father
3) Are not foretold 1000's of years b4 they come - as God comming to stay with us, and foretold to be named Emmanuel (God with us)
4) A mighty prophet (John the Baptist) does not say he's not fit to untie another prophet's shoes
5) Do not rise from dead after 3 days
6 Etc

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MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmm, well let me EDUCATE you.
Only a man can't convert a whole community using violence he or she will need supporters so it's when you support him or her that such a group will thrive for a period until it's natural death due to internal forces, many among them will start to think about what is really happening and to fight against terrorism
after some time. That's what's happening to Islamic nations today don't think it's just the West that's conquering them through the use of weapons the truth is many among them are tired of living for the God they were forced to embrace.
But if each person has to choose willingly such movement will last forever.

Did you say FIGHT against...? How can they fight when they are JW??
Besides, you're talking total nonsense. The most devout muslims of today, the most militant and jihadist Islamists who believe today that the whole world must be made muslims, their ancestors were converted through force! Also, there are far more divisions and denominations in Christianity than in Islam.
Bottom line: without protection of armies JW would have disappeared long ago, infact would never have existed.

DaddyCoool:
Did you say FIGHT against...? How can they fight when they are JW?

If everyone is a JW no one will raise weapon against his fellow man so i'm not talking about members of JWs but within the terrorists themselves they will fight against themselves when things get out of hand.
Today many former members of Boko Haram are now hunting members of their former group!

MaxInDHouse:
If everyone is a JW no one will raise weapon against his fellow man so i'm not talking about members of JWs but within the terrorists themselves they will fight against themselves when things get out of hand.
Today many former members of Boko Haram are now hunting members of their former group!

My friend you are talking like someone from another planet. Islam started centuries ago with a few ragtag armed men forcing people to convert. Today it is a raging religion of Billions and the fastest growing world religion. Your whole thesis is ridiculous.

As for fight - you implied JW's forced to convert will eventually wake up and start fighting back.
You wrote: many among them will start to think about what is really happening and to fight against terrorism after some time

DaddyCoool:
My friend you are talking like someone from another planet. Islam started centuries ago with a few ragtag armed men forcing people to convert. Today it is a raging religion of Billions and the fastest growing world religion. Your whole thesis is ridiculous.

As for fight - you implied JW's forced to convert will eventually wake up and start fighting back.
You wrote: many among them will start to think about what is really happening and to fight against terrorism after some time

What you're saying is like limiting the thinking faculty of all humans, the Catholics started this that's why Muslims followed the same path thinking it's the way forward but it's within the same Catholic Church that protestants sprang to stop the violence not those people they were terrorizing so it's within the same Islam that protestants will surely rise up yo fight terrorism it's just a matter of time and those been brainwashed with religious doctrines into killing their neighbors will start saying NO!

MaxInDHouse:
What you're saying is like limiting the thinking faculty of all humans, the Catholics started this that's why Muslims followed the same path thinking it's the way forward but it's within the same Catholic Church that protestants sprang to stop the violence not those people they were terrorizing so it's within the same Islam that protestants will surely rise up yo fight terrorism it's just a matter of time and those been brainwashed with religious doctrines into killing their neighbors will start saying NO!

They have you totally confused, don't they?😅 Next we'd hear from you is that Rome wrote the NT. So the Catholics started Islam. Then Protestants sprang from Catholics, then JW sprang from Protestants. Sooo, who did Catholics "sprang"from?
"it's just a matter of time" - so centuries is not time enough? Meanwhile it is the fastest growing religion!

And you keep talking of "fight" as a way to stop terrorism. Have you forgotten JW don't fight?

DaddyCoool:
And you keep talking of "fight" as a way to stop terrorism. Have you forgotten JW don't fight?

Calm down and keep your aggression aside for a moment otherwise you will continue getting over anxious about this matter.

Let me tell you the story of TERRORISM against peace loving worshipers in religion.

It began in the first century when Jesus of Nazareth started his earthly ministry the Jews back then were counting on the way their God supported their ancestors attacked Canaanites and took over the land of Canaan so they were expecting a Messiah who will lead them to war and conquer mighty nations most especially Rome that was ruling over them.
Two Judaists impersonated the Christ during the time Jesus was born but both of them died miserably so when they saw Jesus who came after John the baptist began preaching about the Kingdom of God they him to lead their people to war against all the nations and conquer them all just as it's written in their scriptures! Daniel 2:44
To their shocking surprise Jesus who has all the supernatural powers to do so refused to do it instead this young man was preaching and teaching that the Jews love their neighbors {Mark 12:31} including their enemies! Luke 6:27-28
This really got on their nerves so they conspired to get rid of Jesus and whoever takes side with him {John 11:53} because if all Jews should agree with his mentality there will be no soldiers to fight for their nation so Rome will easily come to take over everything they have! John 11:48
From that time till today terrorism against lovers of peace started Jesus called all those supporting such movement children of Satan! John 8:44
So the Jews started terrorizing their own brothers and sisters who were disciples of the Prince of Peace {Act 4:18; 5:28} and from then whoever wants tries to follow the way of peace will be persecuted (terrorized) {2Timothy 3:12} when Satan discovered that Jewish disciples of Christ Jesus will not give up with the peace movement he led their own people against them until Jerusalem was destroyed and it's temple in the year 67c.e.
By that time Christianity has spread to other nations so Satan used Apostates who were disfellowshiped among the Jews to start a terrorist religion under a Roman emperor and they began hunting the real Christians up and down but the irony of the matter is that this killers were going about with the cross claiming they are also Christians their excuse is that they are fighting against falsehood but Jesus warned his own disciples never to judge (kill) anyone not even because of faith in God! Matthew 7:7
So with Roman Catholic terrorists began going from city to city forcing Catholicism on people that's how true Christianity disappeared from the surface of the earth! Luke 18:8
When Muhammad walked the earth it was Catholicism he knew as Christianity both Judaists and Catholics were at loggerheads as both were fighting for dominance while the Catholics had the upper hand due to support from the Emperor.
Muhammad used to follow his madam under whom he was serving as a servant to Rome for Catholicism it's from their he got all the things he took back to Mecca claiming he himself has been sent by God since the Catholics were using force to establish their religion Muhammad thought that's the only way forward that's why he himself started fighting and killing people claiming he was doing so for God.
So if Catholicism lost it's dominance Islam will also end up the same way because those taking the lead among them aren't fighting for God rather they were fighting to dominate the world therefore a time will come and it's now when rival fractions under Islam will start fighting and killing not pagans or Christians but their own fellow Muslims.
That's what is happening right now in all Islamic nations, as i'm typing this i'm glad to inform you that Jehovah's Witnesses are in all Islamic nations preaching and teaching and many among their people now know the truth that Christianity has nothing to do with fighting and killing pagans as their religion formally taught them!

MaxInDHouse:
Calm down and keep your aggression aside for a moment otherwise you will continue getting over anxious about this matter.

Let me tell you the story of TERRORISM against peace loving worshipers in religion.

It began in the first century when Jesus of Nazareth started his earthly ministry the Jews back then were counting on the way their God supported their ancestors attacked Canaanites and took over the land of Canaan so they were expecting a Messiah who will lead them to war and conquer mighty nations most especially Rome that was ruling over them.
Two Judaists impersonated the Christ during the time Jesus was born but both of them died miserably so when they saw Jesus who came after John the baptist began preaching about the Kingdom of God they him to lead their people to war against all the nations and conquer them all just as it's written in their scriptures! Daniel 2:44
To their shocking surprise Jesus who has all the supernatural powers to do so refused to do it instead this young man was preaching and teaching that the Jews love their neighbors {Mark 12:31} including their enemies! Luke 6:27-28
This really got on their nerves so they conspired to get rid of Jesus and whoever takes side with him {John 11:53} because if all Jews should agree with his mentality there will be no soldiers to fight for their nation so Rome will easily come to take over everything they have! John 11:48
From that time till today terrorism against lovers of peace started Jesus called all those supporting such movement children of Satan! John 8:44
So the Jews started terrorizing their own brothers and sisters who were disciples of the Prince of Peace {Act 4:18; 5:28} and from then whoever wants tries to follow the way of peace will be persecuted (terrorized) {2Timothy 3:12} when Satan discovered that Jewish disciples of Christ Jesus will not give up with the peace movement he led their own people against them until Jerusalem was destroyed and it's temple in the year 67c.e.
By that time Christianity has spread to other nations so Satan used Apostates who were disfellowshiped among the Jews to start a terrorist religion under a Roman emperor and they began hunting the real Christians up and down but the irony of the matter is that this killers were going about with the cross claiming they are also Christians their excuse is that they are fighting against falsehood but Jesus warned his own disciples never to judge (kill) anyone not even because of faith in God! Matthew 7:7
So with Roman Catholic terrorists began going from city to city forcing Catholicism on people that's how true Christianity disappeared from the surface of the earth! Luke 18:8
When Muhammad walked the earth it was Catholicism he knew as Christianity both Judaists and Catholics were at loggerheads as both were fighting for dominance while the Catholics had the upper hand due to support from the Emperor.
Muhammad used to follow his madam under whom he was serving as a servant to Rome for Catholicism it's from their he got all the things he took back to Mecca claiming he himself has been sent by God since the Catholics were using force to establish their religion Muhammad thought that's the only way forward that's why he himself started fighting and killing people claiming he was doing so for God.
So if Catholicism lost it's dominance Islam will also end up the same way because those taking the lead among them aren't fighting for God rather they were fighting to dominate the world therefore a time will come and it's now when rival fractions under Islam will start fighting and killing not pagans or Christians but their own fellow Muslims.
That's what is happening right now in all Islamic nations, as i'm typing this i'm glad to inform you that Jehovah's Witnesses are in all Islamic nations preaching and teaching and many among their people now know the truth that Christianity has nothing to do with fighting and killing pagans as their religion formally taught them!

See TOTAL brainwashing. You forgot to say that Rome wrote the NT, and altered the OT to align with it!
I don't know how someone can convince a thinking person that Rome founded Islam! What in Islam is similar to Roman culture? And you keep repeating like an automatum that Islam is dying, even after being presented with fact it is the fastest growing religion on earth!

Now explain this verse:
Luke 22:36
...And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

DaddyCoool:
See TOTAL brainwashing. You forgot to say that Rome wrote the NT, and altered the OT to align with it!
I don't know how someone can convince a thinking person that Rome founded Islam! What in Islam is similar to Roman culture? And you keep repeating like an automatum that Islam is dying, even after being presented with fact it is the fastest growing religion on earth!

Now explain this verse:
Luke 22:36
...And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

Now you're proving my point that you know practically nothing about history!

So Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul are Romans shey?
Yet you want to argue about knowing what has been happening regarding religion and terrorism.
Well for your information there were Christians in Rome and other lands under the Roman colony back in the first century but they were terrorized by Jews practicing Judaism as the Judaists kept making troubles for Christians everywhere they go and by the end all the Apostles were executed one after the other except John who was later banished to the isle of Patmos.
So it's not Romans that wrote the New Testament that's a big lie!

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:36
Jesus taught people a lot using illustrations to drive home his point {Matthew 13:13, 34} so when he said his disciples should make sure they own a sword at all cost any right thinking person would have asked: "To do what exactly?"
This same man told his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe {Matthew 26:52} he told them to always seek peace in the face of fierce opposition {Matthew 5:38-42} to love and pray for the well being of their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and never to support worldly politicians! John 17:14-16
So what exactly are they going to use swords in their possession for?
Well if you must know Jesus was referring not to physical swords but spiritual sword that's what apostle Paul later emphasized in his letter to Christians in Ephesus:

Besides all of this, take up the large SHIELD of faith, with which you will be able to extinguish all the wicked one’s burning ARROWS. Also, accept the HELMETS of salvation, and the SWORD of the spirit, that is, God’s word. Ephesians 6:16-17

Note the highlighted in red and think of how these weapons of war are used, then try to see what apostle Paul was really saying mentioning each, at your leisure you can read the whole chapter to know what it means to be a Christian soldier according to apostle Paul.

Why not ask yourself:
If Jesus actually mean that each of his disciples should buy a PHYSICAL sword how come he said TWO is enough for ELEVEN men? Luke 22:38

Why didn't he use a sword at least once to show them how they should fight for their faith?

Ọmọ Jesus was talking to the newly formed group that will take the message of Peace to all the corners of the earth so the sword they will need is the complete scriptures from Genesis to Revelations that we all know as BIBLE today {Hebrews 4:12} that's why you can never see a member of the one and only true Christian group (Jehovah's Witnesses) who doesn't have his own personal copy of the Bible with which we are winning souls psychologically reaching their hearts instead killing people.

And if you must know in the military our aim is not just to kill people claiming they are enemies but to make enemies surrender their weapons so any means used to achieve this is the best strategy ever that's what Jesus of Nazareth taught his real disciples to do and JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are doing just that today i am a living witness to this fact a former Muslim and soldier trained to kill enemies but now using the Bible (my spiritual sword) to save souls!

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're proving my point that you know practically nothing about history!

So Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul are Romans shey?
Yet you want to argue about knowing what has been happening regarding religion and terrorism.
Well for your information there were Christians in Rome and other lands under the Roman colony back in the first century but they were terrorized by Jews practicing Judaism as the Judaists kept making troubles for Christians everywhere they go and by the end all the Apostles were executed one after the other except John who was later banished to the isle of Patmos.
So it's not Romans that wrote the New Testament that's a big lie!

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:36
Jesus taught people a lot using illustrations to drive home his point {Matthew 13:13, 34} so when he said his disciples should make sure they own a sword at all cost any right thinking person would have asked: "To do what exactly?"
This same man told his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe {Matthew 26:52} he told them to always seek peace in the face of fierce opposition {Matthew 5:38-42} to love and pray for the well being of their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and never to support worldly politicians! John 17:14-16
So what exactly are they going to use swords in their possession for?
Well if you must know Jesus was referring not to physical swords but spiritual sword that's what apostle Paul later emphasized in his letter to Christians in Ephesus:

Besides all of this, take up the large shield of faith, with which you will be able to extinguish all the wicked one’s burning arrows. Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word. Ephesians 6:16-17

At your leisure you can read the whole chapter to know what it means to be a Christian soldier according to apostle Paul.

Why not ask yourself:
If Jesus actually mean that each of his disciples should buy a PHYSICAL sword how come he said TWO is enough for ELEVEN men? Luke 22:38

Why didn't he use a sword at least once to show them how they should fight for their faith?

Ọmọ Jesus was talking to the newly formed group that will take the message of Peace to all the corners of the earth so the sword they will need is the complete scriptures from Genesis to Revelations that we all know as BIBLE today {Hebrews 4:12} that's why you can never see a member of the one and only true Christian group (Jehovah's Witnesses) who doesn't have his own personal copy of the Bible with which we are winning souls psychologically reaching their hearts instead killing people.

And if you must know in the military our aim is not just to kill people claiming they are enemies but to make enemies surrender their weapons so any means used to achieve this is the best strategy ever that's what Jesus of Nazareth taught his real disciples to do and JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are doing just that today i am a living witness to this fact a former Muslim and soldier trained to kill enemies but now using the Bible (my spiritual sword) to save souls!

😅 He totally missed my jibe. I meant since you buy the conspiracy nuts' saying that Rome created Islam you should also believe their saying that Rome wrote the NT and altered the OT to match it!

As for Luke 22:36, Christ clearly meant physical swords, if you read the whole chapter in comtext. Besides, the apostles knew Jesus well and heard directly from him more words than appear in the Bible. You can't know what he meant better than them. And besides, Christ always corrected them - he didn't correct them when they brought physical swords. As for number of swords, two swords were enough because an army of two is enough to defend 12 people

DaddyCoool:
The apostles knew Jesus well and heard directly from him more words than appear in the Bible. You can't know what he meant better than them.

So can you quote where any of Jesus' disciples makes a good use of a physical sword if they were expected to use it!

MaxInDHouse:
So can you quote where any of Jesus' disciples makes a good use of a physical sword if they were expected to use it!

Christ said many things that didn't necessarily follow. Doesn’t mean you should LIE about what he said. Example, He's the Prince of Peace but He said:
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."

DaddyCoool:
Christ said many things that didn't necessarily follow.

So you believe he not in his right senses when saying those things! Mark 3:21

MaxInDHouse:
So you believe he not in his right senses when saying those things! Mark 3:21

My friend it is NOT your business to determine whether he was in his right senses or not. It is your business not to LIE and say he didn't say what he said.
Example, statement below is self-explanatory but people try to lie about it:

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened".

DaddyCoool:
My friend it is NOT your business to determine whether he was in his right senses or not. It is your business not to LIE and say he didn't say what he said.
Example, statement below is self-explanatory but people try to lie about it:

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened".

But as his disciples can you explain what he meant there?

MaxInDHouse:
But as his disciples can you explain what he meant there?

I'm sure you know what "self-explanatory" means. There's nothing to explain

DaddyCoool:
I'm sure you know what "self-explanatory" means. There's nothing to explain

There is no self explanation here if you don't know just say you don't know!

MaxInDHouse:
There is no self explanation here if you don't know just say you don't know!

You want me to LIE like you. Well I won't. He did NOT mean the generation that would be alive then

DaddyCoool:
You want me to LIE like you.

As a Christian we don't put it forward to others that they're lying but since you've repeatedly accused me of lying let's see who is lying here!

I said Christians must not lift up weapons against anyone but you claiming you're also a Christian said it's not so.
I quoted verses from the scriptures where Jesus himself told his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe.
Then you got confused and quoted Luke 22:36 i told you he wasn't talking about physical swords and supported what i said with scriptures whether his disciples talked about spiritual sword.
You still insisted Jesus meant physical swords then i asked you why Jesus said two swords is enough for eleven men if each of them should possess a physical sword. You said the two will be enough but in his statement he never said two out ten should have swords rather he said each of them must possess one at all cost.

So who is the liar here?
Is it me who kept telling you neither Jesus nor his first century Jewish disciples made use of physical swords or you who is just arguing blindly when facts are staring right at you?

MaxInDHouse:
As a Christian we don't put it forward to others that they're lying but since you've repeatedly accused me of lying let's see who is lying here!

I said Christians must not lift up weapons against anyone but you claiming you're also a Christian said it's not so.
I quoted verses from the scriptures where Jesus himself told his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe.
Then you got confused and quoted Luke 22:36 i told you he wasn't talking about physical swords and supported what i said with scriptures whether his disciples talked about spiritual sword.
You still insisted Jesus meant physical swords then i asked you why Jesus said two swords is enough for eleven men if each of them should possess a physical sword. You said the two will be enough but in his statement he never said two out ten should have swords rather he said each of them must possess one at all cost.

So who is the liar here?
Is it me who kept telling you neither Jesus nor his first century Jewish disciples made use of physical swords or you who is just arguing blindly when facts are staring right at you?

My friend, you are LYING when you say someone said something he didn’t say!

Christ told his disciples: "I previously sent you out and told you to take no weapons, now I'm telling you to obtain swords even if you have to sell your garments to get them." Well, they managed to obtain only two swords. He didn't say (as He always corrected them) "oh you spiritually slow, I never meant physical swords!"

Instead of reading the chapter in context and being HONEST about what He said IN THE CHAPTER, you go to all sorts of extrapolations just so you can LIE that He didn't say what HE said!

DaddyCoool:
My friend, you are LYING when you say someone said something he didn’t say!

Christ told his disciples: "I previously sent you out and told you to take no weapons, now I'm telling you to obtain swords even if you have to sell your garments to get them." Well, they managed to obtain only two swords. He didn't say (as He always corrected them) "oh you spiritually slow, I never meant physical swords!"

Instead of reading the chapter in context and being HONEST about what He said IN THE CHAPTER, you go to all sorts of extrapolations just so you can LIE that He didn't say what HE said!

The context is clear whenever the disciples quote a verse in the Bible the Jews and others who are proselytes can relate easily but when it comes to people of other nations his disciples need to go about with the scriptures so they can preach effectively to people who knew nothing about the scriptures.
So it boils down to the same point of spiritual sword.
Read what Paul said at Ephesians 6:11-18
He mentioned lots of weapons but was he talking about physical weapons?
NO!
So if Jesus meant physical swords at least there should be one occasion where his disciples will make use of it but instead they were killed with the sword and contrary to your opinion that two swords is ok for eleven to fight they never fought once in the Bible!

MaxInDHouse:
The context is clear whenever the disciples quote a verse in the Bible the Jews and others who are proselytes can relate easily but when it comes to people of other nations his disciples need to go about with the scriptures so they can preach effectively to people who knew nothing about the scriptures.
So it boils down to the same point of spiritual sword.
Read what Paul said at Ephesians 6:11-18
He mentioned lots of weapons but was he talking about physical weapons?
NO!
So if Jesus meant physical swords at least there should be one occasion where his disciples will make use of it but instead they were killed with the sword and contrary to your opinion that two swords is ok for eleven to fight they never fought once in the Bible!

What's your problem?? Same way you kept saying Islam was dying! You've just been shown several instances Christ said things that didn't necessarily follow. You don't run to Paul so you can LIE he didn't say them. Did Paul previously send anyone out without swords? Didn't Paul make it clear he was using names of weapons metaphorically?? Na wa!

DaddyCoool:
Moslems are WRONG that Christ was just another prophet.
Prophets don't:
1) Forgive sins
2) Say they are one with the father and once you've seen them you've seen the Father
3) Are not foretold 1000's of years b4 they come - as God comming to stay with us, and foretold to be named Emmanuel (God with us)
4) A mighty prophet (John the Baptist) does not say he's not fit to untie another prophet's shoes
5) Do not rise from dead after 3 days
6 Etc

In a nutshell, Jesus is what?

MaxInDHouse:
So if Jesus meant physical swords at least there should be one occasion where his disciples will make use of it but instead they were killed with the sword and contrary to your opinion that two swords is ok for eleven to fight they never fought once in the Bible!

Yes, one of Jesus' disciples used a weapon in a specific incident. According to the Gospels, Peter, one of Jesus’ closest disciples, used a sword during the arrest of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. When the soldiers came to arrest Jesus, Peter drew his sword and cut off the ear of Malchus, the servant of the high priest (John 18:10). However, Jesus immediately told Peter to put away the sword, saying, "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). Jesus then healed the servant's ear, showing His commitment to peace.

Tayorshd87:
Perfect contribution thanks

Thanks

Petalss:
In a nutshell, Jesus is what?

God, the Son of God