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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Sand2022(op): 10:00pm On Sep 30, 2024*

CAPTIVATOR:
Do you know what it means to have the Sole authority to set time and seasons??

He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority." act 1:7

The Father can decide to know whatever he choose to know or not know. He alone has that authority.

Having that authority is not the issue, but that He doesn't know it at some point according to JWs, so God is not omniscient. That being the case, Jesus can also chose not to know. Another implication of this is that he doesn't know doesn't mean he is not God, just as God didn't know whether Adam will sin doesn't mean he isn't God.

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 12:09am On Oct 01, 2024

MightySparrow:
Are a dummy? Slave and master are thee same human beings.
.

Illiterate sheeple, do you even study your Bible?

Romans 6:16
"Do you not know that when you continually offer yourselves to someone to do his will, you are the slaves of the one whom you obey?"
Romans 6:16 = John 13:16.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him "

@ Psalm 110:1 & John 3:16, in heaven did Jesus Christ OBEY his Father,the Lord of heaven?

Jehovah God, his Father is the Master/LORD of heaven. Hebrew 6:13. Matthew 11:25.
Oga, did Jesus receive any rewards for slaving for his Father in the spiritual realm?
Illiterate sheeple desperate to save face.
grin

MightySparrow:
You cannot say that angels are greater than humans. .

Psalms 8:5 Illiterate sheeple,I dey beg you receive sense.
grin

MightySparrow:
What is the commonplace of for comparison?
On this context, He was talking about His father to be of the same essence. I asked you or your brother to paste the Nicean Creed, you are afraid to paste it.
The idea of Trinity of trinitarian is different from the JW's.
Paste the Nicean Creed.

All spirit beings share the same essence just as all human beings share the same essence.

Why should JW's paste the Nicene Creed molded on the textus receptus FORGERY of 1 John 5:7?

The Nicene Creed claimed that Jesus was begotten not created (made).
Oga, do you agree that Isaac was begotten not procreated ?
Oga, Which Bible verse did you & your Trinitarian mentors see "one in being?"

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by MightySparrow: 3:53am On Oct 01, 2024

Janosky:
Illiterate sheeple, do you even study your Bible?

Romans 6:16
"Do you not know that when you continually offer yourselves to someone to do his will, you are the slaves of the one whom you obey?"
Romans 6:16 = John 13:16.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him "

@ Psalm 110:1 & John 3:16, in heaven did Jesus Christ OBEY his Father,the Lord of heaven?

Jehovah God, his Father is the Master/LORD of heaven. Hebrew 6:13. Matthew 11:25.
Oga, did Jesus receive any rewards for slaving for his Father in the spiritual realm?
Illiterate sheeple desperate to save face.

Psalms 8:5 Illiterate sheeple,I dey beg you receive sense.

[b]All spirit beings share the same essence just as all human beings share the same essence.

Why should JW's paste the Nicene Creed molded on the textus receptus FORGERY of 1 John 5:7?

The Nicene Creed claimed that Jesus was begotten not created (made).
Oga, do you agree that Isaac was begotten not procreated ?
Oga, Which Bible verse did you & your Trinitarian mentors see "one in being?"

[/b]

All spirit beings share the same essence just as all human beings share the same essence

So all humans are beings except Janosky that is a weed. grin

Same as
All spirit beings?
Of all the spirits, Holy Spirit is the only force not being grin

Have you received sense?

Why are afraid to paste the Nicean Greed?

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:37am On Oct 01, 2024

Sand2022:
God didn't know whether Adam will sin doesn't mean he isn't God.

Jesus said he doesn't know what the person (whom he admitted is greater than him) knew.
So it's clear both are not on the same level! undecided

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 6:58am On Oct 01, 2024

Emusan:
Now another spinning.

You people are truly shameless.

So, you must BELIEVE before you can TRANSLATE.

Then, this is another evidence that NWT translators HEAVILY MANIPULATED THEIR TRANSLATION since they ALREADY HAVE A CERTAIN BELIEVE ABOUT JESUS.

And the Apostles is Jesus made those statements in the PRESENCE OF JESUS.

If it will hurt me, I'll be spinning or trying to twist it like you did to the pure Apostles confession and Gods word about the Holy spirit KNOWING THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

That's a standard approach to their Bible interpretation. Already made doctrine in place before looking for scriptures to back it up

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 7:12am On Oct 01, 2024

MightySparrow:
Earlier, you claimed that if the day is not determined yet God is not God; are you thinking for God?

Honestly answer the questions:
Are you and Jesus called the same God? John 1: 1?
Are you of the same class of being?

These are simple questions.

Answer directly don't merry - go - round.
I know this is the method of JWs when you want to be dishonest.

Looool! You are using their ways of interpreting the scriptures on them. When it suit their narrative they adopt, when it does not they jump ship

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 7:19am On Oct 01, 2024

Janosky:
Is John 14:28 & Hebrew 6:13 in your own Bible?

Trinitarians no want to use their brains.

Did Genesis confirm Hebrew 6:13 that Jehovah swear by Himself?

Yes.

This is another irrefutable evidence against deceptive Trinitarian interpretation of Genesis 1:26.

When cornered he start asking questions. 😂🤣😂

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 7:20am On Oct 01, 2024*

Janosky:
Before nko !
Oga, did Jesus agreed he is the beginning of the creation by God his Father @Revelation 3:14?
Yes.

The same evidence of Hebrew language Micah 5:2 "his origin /start/beginning is from old, the days of yore."

Trinitarians committed FORGERY @Micah 5:2.
Their deception is NOT in the Hebrew text of Micah 5:2.
The screenshot evidence is irrefutable evidence against Trinitarian delusion.

Days of yore = ancient still hiding your no get sense peddling brains 😂🤣😂

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 7:24am On Oct 01, 2024

Sand2022:
I want to ask you. When God told Abram to go sacrifice his son to test his obedience, does it mean God doesn't know all things? When God went to check whether Sodom had done according to the complaint He hears about them, does it mean God didn't know whether the allegation against Sodom was prior to that time? So technically God doesn't know all things?

The organization teach that God didn't know that Adam will rebel when he created Adam. Isn't that true? So God technically doesn't know all things according to the organization right?

I just dey observe una since all these days until you eventually reach here grin

The Jehovah’s witnesses classic ways of adoption of one way of Bible interpretation to suit their agenda and abandon it when it exposes their lies

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 7:28am On Oct 01, 2024

Aemmyjah:
😂

Stupid apostate peddling brains, what are you doing on a thread you should avoid?

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by CAPTIVATOR: 7:33am On Oct 01, 2024

Sand2022:
Having that authority is not the issue, but that He doesn't know it at some point according to JWs, so God is not omniscient.

Having that authority to set time and season make him Omniscient. He just choose not to know. That's why you won't see the Father saying only certain person know, Once he choose not to know something, NOBODY ELSE CAN KNOW!

That being the case, Jesus can also chose not to know.

Jesus said he doesn't know, BUT ONLY the Father know. That is not a choice!!!! Just as every other person mentioned in that Matt 24:36 including angels didn't have such choice. They actually do not know!

Show me a single place the Father choose not to know something but claims someone somewhere know?

Another implication of this is that he doesn't know doesn't mean he is not God, just as God didn't know whether Adam will sin doesn't mean he isn't God.

What makes him God Almighty is that authority , when he choose to not know, NOBODY ElSE can know. .

Everybody mentioned in Matthew 24:36 be it human , Son or angels Do NOT KNOW. It wasn't a choice.

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 7:41am On Oct 01, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said he doesn't know what the person (whom he admitted is greater than him) knew.
So it's clear both are not on the same level!

See this one too, avoid the thread came back to respond to comment.

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Jozzy4: 7:52am On Oct 01, 2024

Emusan:
Where did I say Jesus lied?

Well, sit and enjoy the Bible study

|Emusan:| Jesus know the day and hour, they are two that knows it , he and his Father.
|Jesus:| Only my Father knows the day and hour.

If you claim it's not you that's lying, it means Jesus is the one Na. grin

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by MightySparrow: 8:32am On Oct 01, 2024

achorladey:
Looool! You are using their ways of interpreting the scriptures on them. When it suit their narrative they adopt, when it does not they jump ship

You dey mind them?
Deluded people

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Sand2022(op): 8:58am On Oct 01, 2024

CAPTIVATOR:
Having that authority to set time and season make him Omniscient. He just choose not to know. That's why you won't see the Father saying only certain person know, Once he choose not to know something, NOBODY ELSE CAN KNOW!

The JW do not believe in total omniscient like the church do.

If God doesn't know anything at any time and even if no one else knows, that nullifies His omniscience. Omniscient doesn't mean ability to know, but overall knowledge of everything both in the past, present and future. So if the JW view is that God doesn't know that Adam will sin, then God is not omniscient.

Jesus said he doesn't know, BUT ONLY the Father know. That is not a choice!!!! Just as every other person mentioned in that Matt 24:36 including angels didn't have such choice. They actually do not know!

Point of correction. Jesus didn't say he cannot know, mind you. Cannot would refer to ability to know. That is not what Jesus says. He said no one knows, including him, so as at that time, that is true. You can't say that even now, Jesus doesn't know.

Of course Jesus was in his humanity. Trinitarians view his humanity as a bit of limitation to his divine essence. So this point isn't actually kicking against Trinity doctrine. You would need to make a criticism that takes note of what someone actually teaches. Not what he doesn't.

Back to the point. Jesus never said he cannot know. After his resurrection notice that Jesus told his apostles that it does not belong to THEM to know the date that the father has kept in his own JURISDICTION. So that is the role of His father to set the date. That is a role. Trinitarian agree that there can be distinction within the Godhead and that there are distinct roles.

First by Jesus saying it does not belong to "THEM" to know neither did he say it does not belong to US including himself, this could mean that at this time Jesus now knows, but he doesn't want to share that knowledge to THEM. He didn't now say "no one knows except the Father".

Please do not look down on roles within the Godhead or jurisdictions. For eg, one can speak against God and Jesus and be forgiven, but you don't dare speak against the holy spirit. You won't be forgiven that sin, either now nor even in the new system of things. Does that mean that the Holy Spirit is now greater than Jesus and God the father? It is simply roles and jurisdictions. And don't make it also sound as if the role occupied by the Holy Spirit is superior to that of the father and Son.

Jesus said who will sit in his left and right is his father to give. It doesn't mean that Jesus can't chose who will be there, but that is His father's jurisdiction.

You ask me to show you how others know what God chose not to know.

Didn't you see my reference to Sodom? People like Lot started lamenting about the badness of the area. Meaning that Lot and his family were the ones complainng about the errors of the Sodomites, then God said He would go down to investigate whether the complaint He had heard is true. I am just paraphrasing here.

So those who are making the complain already knows they were bad. When God investigated, did He not agree that their sin was indeed too bad as people complained?

I am telling you JW position on this subject. Bear that in mind.

Show me a single place the Father choose not to know something but claims someone somewhere know?

See above

What makes him God Almighty is that authority , when he choose to not know, NOBODY ElSE can know. .

Everybody mentioned in Matthew 24:36 be it human , Son or angels Do NOT KNOW. It wasn't a choice.

Omniscient means one who knows all in the past, present and future. From JW view, God is not at least completely omniscient. So if Jesus is not completely omniscient, it doesn't affect his Godship from JW perspective.

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 9:23am On Oct 01, 2024

Jozzy4:
|Emusan:| Jesus know the day and hour, they are two that knows it , he and his Father.
|Jesus:| Only my Father knows the day and hour.

If you claim it's not you that's lying, it means Jesus is the one Na.

Where did I make the above statement useless lying liar.

My point is, the scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS not ME.

If Jesus knows ALL THINGS and Jesus says ONLY the Father knows the day..

Then, it means it you people who failed to UNDERSTAND JESUS reason why you lying liar have been claiming BIBLE CONTAINS CONTRADICTION simply because the Apostles in whom Jesus made that statement in their presence later UNDERSTOOD their God and Master and Jesus who made the same statement HEARD THEM CLEARLY and instead of CORRECTING THEIR ERROR(as you people spin it) He went further TO ENDORSED IT.

So, scripture can't be wrong that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You can see how you people are disgracing yourself.

See your deluded fellow above saying God DECIDED NOT TO KNOW despite being OMNISCIENT.

But you lying liar can't agree with Jesus on the same level.

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 9:35am On Oct 01, 2024

CAPTIVATOR:
Matthew 10:28 didn't happen in heaven, it's a reference God judging a man with physical body.

So spit that shit out. Once the spirit return to God, it remains with God! Eccl 12:7 said it clearly, return to God who gave it.

Provide a tangible proof of where the bible said Human spirit is being judged in heaven!!! Nowhere, the Bible knows Ruach of man is his breath of life

I've PROVIDED SCRIPTURE to back my point.

If you still find it difficult to understand isn't my problem.

Spirit of man is breath of life he gave man. Yes it returns to God. I never said it's some mythical Spirit person. Its not a personality!

Anyone who claims what return is a spirit personality owns the burden of proof to explain how wicked personalities entered the Kingdom of God and God's holy place...

Spirit of man is a person because the SPIRIT KNOWS THOUGHT.

Provide how an inanimate object can have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Your head can't even process the nonsense you spew

Since the spirit of the baby in the womb is a
spirit person .
Therefore A spirit personality from heaven is inside the baby in the womb, Got it ?

Until your delusion is clear on that.

Nothing from heaven ENTER ANY WOMAN DURING PREGNANCY.

OPONU.

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 9:37am On Oct 01, 2024

CAPTIVATOR:
" ONLY the Father know" means Nobody else know apart from the Father .... Is English hard for you?

Only

Only

Only

Only

Is English hard for your life

He already knows he has killed and buried his own lying mouth and delusion.

Reason why, he couldn't answer my question

I love that.

cheesy

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 9:42am On Oct 01, 2024*

CAPTIVATOR:
Having that authority to set time and season make him Omniscient. He just choose not to know. That's why you won't see the Father saying only certain person know, Once he choose not to know something, NOBODY ELSE CAN KNOW!

Their lying mouth will continue to be exposed.

So, you agreed God JUST CHOOSE NOT TO KNOW but called Bible a contradictory book simply because the scripture testified that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well.

Wa ooooo

The fruit of your father the Devil is truly working in you.

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 10:04am On Oct 01, 2024

achorladey:
See this one too, avoid the thread came back to respond to comment.

I wanted to ask, is he not the one who said bye bye to this thread?

Well, we know he can't do without the so called Apostate because without the Apostate he is incomplete on Nairaland. cheesy

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 10:43am On Oct 01, 2024*

MightySparrow:
You dey mind them?
Deluded people

Emusan:
He already knows he has killed and buried his own lying mouth and delusion.

Reason why, he couldn't answer my question

I love that.

Sparrow & his Faithless miscreants IBERIBEISM.
Emusan posts is a classic example.
They always argue against the holy scriptures
When the bible says it is white, they will claim that it is cream.

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by MightySparrow: 10:44am On Oct 01, 2024

Janosky:
Faithless miscreants IBERIBEISM.
They always argue against the holy scriptures
When the bible says it is white, they will claim that it is cream.

Are you afraid of pasting Nicean Creed?

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 10:51am On Oct 01, 2024*

achorladey:
Days of yore = ancient still hiding your no get sense peddling brains

That line of Hebrew Micah 5:2 says:"his origin (meaning beginning, start)...."
Oga ,go delete it from the Hebrew language text
Micah 5:2 was first written in Hebrew.
Oga, go & bring any thing in English to contradict the Hebrew text of Micah 5:2, you have failed wotowoto.
OR

Come & continue WAILING, that is how your brain function.

Either ways you lose.
😂🤣😂

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 10:55am On Oct 01, 2024

achorladey:
When cornered he start asking questions.

Faithless miscreants say him "cornered" Hebrew 6:13 & John 14:28 he can not refute.

Achorladey awon WEREY
😂🤣😂

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 11:00am On Oct 01, 2024

MightySparrow:
Are you afraid of pasting Nicean Creed?

Oga, are you afraid of posting the Nicene Creed from your Bible?

Oga, what chapter & verse?

Bring am oo
OR
Continue WAILING

grin

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 11:10am On Oct 01, 2024

Janosky:
Faithless miscreants say him "cornered" Hebrew 6:13 & John 14:28 he can not refute.

Achorladey awon WEREY
😂🤣😂

Your werey peddling brains peddling faithless miscreants and your you will never have order in your life can't answer his question you started asking questions your own werey peddling brains won't readily answer. grin

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 11:12am On Oct 01, 2024

Janosky:
Oga, are you afraid of posting the Nicene Creed from your Bible?

Oga, what chapter & verse?

Bring am oo
OR
Continue WAILING

The height of werey peddlings of your brains. When caught in their lies and manipulations they start running helter-skelter like Janosky the you will never have order in your life grin

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 11:12am On Oct 01, 2024

achorladey:
Your werey peddling brains and you will never have order in your life can't answer his question you started asking questions your own werey peddling brains won't readily answer

achorladey:
The height of werey peddlings of your brains. When caught in their lies and manipulations they start running helter-skelter like Janosky the you will never have order in your life

Achorladey usual mode, Oga continue your IBERIBEISM.

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 11:14am On Oct 01, 2024

Janosky:
That line of Hebrew Micah 5:2 says:"his origin (meaning beginning, start)...."
Oga ,go delete it from the Hebrew language text
Micah 5:2 was first written in Hebrew.
Oga, go & bring any thing in English to contradict the Hebrew text of Micah 5:2, you have failed wotowoto.
OR

Come & continue WAILING, that is how your brain function.

Either ways you lose.
😂🤣😂

His beginning part is from......? grin

Just answer first grin

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 11:15am On Oct 01, 2024

Janosky:
Your usual mode, Oga continue your IBERIBEISM.

Faithless miscreant alongside werey peddling brains continue to peddle your you will never have order in your life. I no send you that kind message alongside your IBERIBEISM peddlings grin

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 11:17am On Oct 01, 2024

MightySparrow:
Are you afraid of pasting Nicean Creed?

His werey peddlings will be exposed grin

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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by achorladey: 11:19am On Oct 01, 2024

Emusan:
I wanted to ask, is he not the one who said bye bye to this thread?

Well, we know he can't do without the so called Apostate because without the Apostate he is incomplete on Nairaland.

People wey lack integrity will be preaching standards for others to follow. Their height of hypocrisy is setting standards they are not ready to follow thereby enter the realm of Pharisees

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