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My personal belief is that those Hebrew and Greek words have been misunderstood. Both languages speak of a figurative adversary because the ancients described the ups and downs of everyday life more poetically than we do. Satan is the adversary and the devil (diabolos) is the "ruler of darkness" which is just a fancy word for the moon. Both though are used poetically to describe our inner limitations. As we already know, humans are the evil ones
Nothing whatever. The human imagination is an extraordinary thing especially when some of its worst excesses are codified in big books peddled by big, rich organizations intent on brainwashing the world into joining them. The “evil” in this world done by humans is largely rooted in fear, because our bodies are mortal and are terrified of death. The “evil” done by other animals, by landslides and tsunamis and epidemics, is just Nature being itself.

No mystery, no devils, no Satan. But people will believe what they’re taught.



So the ‘fallen angel’ story is a myth adapted into the Roman church...

Satan is "artor"
Devil na "bosse"

TinkTwice:


Satan is "artor"
Devil na "bosse"

Lol...so they are both characters in a book(movie) ?

sonmvayina:
Lol...so they are both characters in a book(movie) ?

Yes nah

Satan is the big dawg
Devil na em boy

Effective summary.

bestlary:
Effective summary.

I don't get..

TinkTwice:

Yes nah
O
Satan is the big dawg
Devil na em boy

So what roles do they occupy?

What do you understand from the book asper their roles..

Satan, the fallen angel does not exist.
Devils however exist, just not as depicted by religion.

Devils are of two types.

1. Thought forms: In the other side, thoughts tend to be objective, it collects astral matter round itself and become a temporary living entity. Evil thoughts are diabolical in their form and influence on other minds. These thought forms don't have any intelligence, their activities is prompted by the thoughts that brought them into existence. They've a sort of survival instinct and they tend to influence other minds that vibrates in their level to produce similar thought force which they "feed" on.

Thought forms of the same nature tend to attract each other and form powerful center, so there are anger centers jealous centers, hatred etc. When a human yields himself to these thoughts, he links his mind to the corresponding center, "feeding" it and the center also send reciprocal influence to him to produce more of the same thoughts.

We all know how evil thoughts like hatred escalates quickly to find expression in physical action if not checked.

The whole of earth's mental atmosphere is filled with these thoughts and centers roaming about looking for who to devour (feed on).

These thought forms and the resulting centers do not have any independent existence, humans are the ones feeding them, if everyone stopped producing thought forces they can feed on, they will quickly dry up due to lack of nourishment.

The above also applies to good thoughts also, kind, lovely or compassionate thoughts also produce corresponding thought forms that are beautiful in form and benevolent in their influence on people's mind. As it is now, these kinds of thought forms and their corresponding centers are few compared to their diabolical counterpart.

That's why we are urged to keep our thoughts clean so that we can strengthen the good thought centers and weaken the evil centers.

2. "Dead" evil humans: There is no death, what we call death is a transition to another dimension of reality. The process called death doesn't change people's personality which means a wicked person remains wicked after so called death. The evil man is attracted to other evil men and they roam about looking for minds to influence to become as they are.

This is why capital punishment is wrong, a serial killer for example is arrested and instead of the state to keep him confined so that he is not able hurt anyone again, the state sets him free by "killing" him.

Being free of the drag of his physical body, his sphere of influence is extended to the whole earth, he roams around with the speed of thought looking for minds to influence to carry out what he loves doing.

Behind any addiction are these human devils, who were also addicts in their earth life, influencing minds to indulge in their addiction so that they can at least have a taste of their addiction once more.

For example, a bar is filled with "dead" drunkards, the urge to drink goes on raging in them but they can't satisfy it having no physical body, so they hang around bars and other places where alcohol is indulge in, influencing their fellow drunkards or anybody that as it in him/her to drink so that through him they can somehow in a sick sort of way have a taste of their poison.

But having no physical body, they can only have a taste, a mere mockery of the former pleasure they enjoy. So, the urge never stops, they go on craving more and more and in the process further dragging down themselves and their preys and chained firmly to their addiction.

Unlike thought forms, these "devils" have independent existence, they're not feed to stay alive like thought forms are. If human minds are so advanced that they are unable to influence it, they will still exist but powerless.

Thought devil will always remain evil, it can't change it nature. They're like robot programmed to do a thing and will and can't deviate from it.

But human devils can change, they've will power, every single one of them have the power to change, to leave darkness behind and climb gradually towards to light.

Jews don't believe in Satan for a reason.

The same Religion Gen Z Were Criticising Today was the Means of Civilisations Against Barbarisms of Your Ancestral Father's & Mothers Back In The Days ....

Without Religion Humanities would Have Extinct Because It's Quite Obvious We don't have the Brain to Sustain Our Generations...

Satan is simply:
"Unjustified Extraordinary Instincts of Evils" ...

Religion Called "Instincts", "Spirits" Of Evils ...

There is always Evils Present In All Human But You are Suddenly engulfed in that Rage to Commit The Evil without listening to Any Alternative Conflict Resolutions Strategies, You have been Satanised .....

Evil is Simply Wickedness, Man Inhumanity to Mankind/Environment......

A Justified Evil I.e. a Reprisal Evil is Not a Evil, You are Just Trying to Strike Evil With Evil to Achieved Good ....

All Humans are Created By God(Extraordinary Instincts/Spirits Of Good Responsible for The Universe & Everything Therein till Eternity) to Be Good Towards Ourselves & Universes Thus Evolutions Of Mankind!

But Satan(Instincts/Spirit Of Evils) is Responsible for making Human to Commit Extraordinary Evils Above & Beyond Normal Human Ordinary Energies leading to Our Devolutions !!

The Two Instincts are Present In Human Bodies ... The Instincts of Good is Always Stronger Than The Instincts of Evils ....

But Human would Numbed(With Shekpe, All alcohols, Smoke, Jazz, Juju, Sorcery, Magics) The Instincts of Good & All The Warning Cautions ⚠️ to refrain from Acting On Instincts of Evils ....

Once The Instincts of Good is Numbed With What Religion Tagged "Sins" .... You would devolved Gradually into Abyss of Satan(Maniac-Evils) Till You get to the Animalistic Civilisations of Your Ancestors more than 1million years ago where Blood is the only means to Survival Not Normal Human Food !!

Religion has Helped Mankind ... The Scientific Languages Utilized Today wouldn't have been Understandable to Our Ancestors or The Prophets Whom are manifested Upon ... Language that they could Understand were used in teaching them ....

With Advancements in Civilisations & Understanding of Cosmic Energies, We can vividly described Phenomenons Ourselves without reverting to Religion books except for Spelling against Evils !!

1Sharon:
Jews don't believe in Satan for a reason.

They believe everything emanates from God.
So if there is a devil or Satan, he does only what God tells him to do..

justlove91:
Satan, the fallen angel does not exist.
Devils however exist, just not as depicted by religion.

Devils are of two types.

1. Thought forms: In the other side, thoughts tend to be objective, it collects astral matter round itself and become a temporary living entity. Evil thoughts are diabolical in their form and influence on other minds. These thought forms don't have any intelligence, their activities is prompted by the thoughts that brought them into existence. They've a sort of survival instinct and they tend to influence other minds that vibrates in their level to produce similar thought force which they "feed" on.

Thought forms of the same nature tend to attract each other and form powerful center, so there are anger centers jealous centers, hatred etc. When a human yields himself to these thoughts, he links his mind to the corresponding center, "feeding" it and the center also send reciprocal influence to him to produce more of the same thoughts.

We all know how evil thoughts like hatred escalates quickly to find expression in physical action if not checked.

The whole of earth's mental atmosphere is filled with these thoughts and centers roaming about looking for who to devour (feed on).

These thought forms and the resulting centers do not have any independent existence, humans are the ones feeding them, if everyone stopped producing thought forces they can feed on, they will quickly dry up due to lack of nourishment.

The above also applies to good thoughts also, kind, lovely or compassionate thoughts also produce corresponding thought forms that are beautiful in form and benevolent in their influence on people's mind. As it is now, these kinds of thought forms and their corresponding centers are few compared to their diabolical counterpart.

That's why we are urged to keep our thoughts clean so that we can strengthen the good thought centers and weaken the evil centers.

2. "Dead" evil humans: There is no death, what we call death is a transition to another dimension of reality. The process called death doesn't change people's personality which means a wicked person remains wicked after so called death. The evil man is attracted to other evil men and they roam about looking for minds to influence to become as they are.

This is why capital punishment is wrong, a serial killer for example is arrested and instead of the state to keep him confined so that he is not able hurt anyone again, the state sets him free by "killing" him.

Being free of the drag of his physical body, his sphere of influence is extended to the whole earth, he roams around with the speed of thought looking for minds to influence to carry out what he loves doing.

Behind any addiction are these human devils, who were also addicts in their earth life, influencing minds to indulge in their addiction so that they can at least have a taste of their addiction once more.

For example, a bar is filled with "dead" drunkards, the urge to drink goes on raging in them but they can't satisfy it having no physical body, so they hang around bars and other places where alcohol is indulge in, influencing their fellow drunkards or anybody that as it in him/her to drink so that through him they can somehow in a sick sort of way have a taste of their poison.

But having no physical body, they can only have a taste, a mere mockery of the former pleasure they enjoy. So, the urge never stops, they go on craving more and more and in the process further dragging down themselves and their preys and chained firmly to their addiction.

Unlike thought forms, these "devils" have independent existence, they're not feed to stay alive like thought forms are. If human minds are so advanced that they are unable to influence it, they will still exist but powerless.

Thought devil will always remain evil, it can't change it nature. They're like robot programmed to do a thing and will and can't deviate from it.

But human devils can change, they've will power, every single one of them have the power to change, to leave darkness behind and climb gradually towards to light.

Love this story really exciting.
Just some holes🥲

Gabrielshow24:
Love this story really exciting.
Just some holes🥲

Thanks, kindly point out those holes.

justlove91:
Thanks, kindly point out those holes.

Your argument goes in the line of entity(physical matter) that begets thoughts.
But it still fails to answer the fundamental question that has plagued materialism.
How did matter become conscious?

As regards your thought devils. it's an exotic approach to explain the sources of evil.
Your approach insinuate that every thought produces a temporary astral living thing Or you meant to say that a collection of the person's thoughts produces a temporary living thing.

Indirectly tying the source of evil to mankind as it only explains a small subset of the evils that is present.

Fine it seems like a good theory to exemplify sources of wrongdoing but now involving astral matter(cosmic matter) makes your thought devils rather ethereal.

If we were not to assume where the fundamental principle of wickedness came from then we can likewise that God's thought brought forth either good epicenters and bad epicenters.

Hence after when the person dies
You failed to mention the lifespan of your thought devils?
Perhaps the extend forever since they are from astral matter and should in no likewise die out

And you buy into Buddhism a little bit with their chakra(emotion) centers.

Secondly your human devils.

Perhaps you have been watching too much horror movies with "possession" as the main theme.

Now as touching your human devils you rather gave a vague reason by saying they(criminals) are set free.

Yea indeed their spirits are but divine states "there is no association with dead"
Only those unclean or vulnerable that tend to be influenced by this.

And based on the facts that a lot of criminals, dictators and evil personified personalities have been killed off. That's a lot human devils!
Hence we should be seeing more of their deeds in this modern time.

And lastly, Satan exists!

Satan is a mistranslation of a word in the Tanakh. Which often times comes as Hasatan, which means the Satan.
Satan here is a title rather than a proper name of any being.
Satan means adversary which could be anything or anybody.
I can say Peter Obi was Satan to Bola Tinubu in last year election. It simply means that Peter Obi was an adversary to Tinubu in the election. That there is an evil being called Satan is a big insult to the creator of the universe, and again, who the hell creates their own enemy?

sonmvayina:
Satan is a mistranslation of a word in the Tanakh. Which often times comes as Hasatan, which means the Satan.
Satan here is a title rather than a proper name of any being.
Satan means adversary which could be anything or anybody.
I can say Peter Obi was Satan to Bola Tinubu in last year election. It simply means that Peter Obi was an adversary to Tinubu in the election. That there is an evil being called Satan is a big insult to the creator of the universe, and again, who the hell creates their own enemy?

🙄You sound as if many have not fathered those that ended up being their enemies!

Gabrielshow24:
🙄You sound as if many have not fathered those that ended up being their enemies!

Ok..why would a loving God create an evil being to torment his own children?

sonmvayina:
Ok..why would a loving God create an evil being to torment his own children?

You also act as if the evil being in question is not his child.

The whole Satan arc is just to show the whole of creation what "self" will lead to.

Satan is a rebellious personality that epitomizes the concept of self conflicting will against God's precepts!

It's a clash of ideas; with God permitting it, to show the consequences of a life without God.

Hence as the world becomes inclined towards self it seems like a torment for the "children of God" but it's not but rather a test!

Also "children as in the context of the bible" are those that do the Lord's will or those that are part of his flock!

Gabrielshow24:
You also act as if the evil being in question is not his child.

The whole Satan arc is just to show the whole of creation what "self" will lead to.

Satan is a rebellious personality that epitomizes the concept of self conflicting will against God's precepts!

It's a clash of ideas; with God permitting it, to show the consequences of a life without God.

Hence as the world becomes inclined towards self it seems like a torment for the "children of God" but it's not but rather a test!

Also "children as in the context of the bible" are those that do the Lord's will or those that are part of his flock!

Is Satan a mistake of creation according to you?

Can Satan change the will of God?

sonmvayina:
Is Satan a mistake of creation according to you?

Can Satan change the will of God?

Satan is not a mistake of creation !
Infact you can't test someone about ",good and evil" if there were to be no evil.

Hence like I said earlier. He is an embodiment of all self inspired/centric decisions prioritizing self over all!

God permits Satan some levels of freedom in the same way God permits free will for purpose of what I have discussed above.

And all things Satan do is all that has been permitted him, nothing more nothing less!

As long as free will under the agency of human choice reigns then the devil will prevail if humans are inclined towards their natural instincts to put themselves first above all!

Gabrielshow24:
Satan is not a mistake of creation !
Infact you can't test someone about ",good and evil" if there were to be no evil.

Hence like I said earlier. He is an embodiment of all self inspired/centric decisions prioritizing self over all!

God permits Satan some levels of freedom in the same way God permits free will for purpose of what I have discussed above.

And all things Satan do is all that has been permitted him, nothing more nothing less!

As long as free will under the agency of human choice reigns then the devil will prevail if humans are inclined towards their natural instincts to put themselves first above all!

Ok..I understand..

But can satan change the will of God?

sonmvayina:
Ok..I understand..

But can satan change the will of God?

No he can't!

All that he has is what was permitted him!

Even when he tempted Jesus we see thus: "And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it."

Emphasis on "for that is delivered unto me"!

Gabrielshow24:
No he can't!

All that he has is what was permitted him!

Even when he tempted Jesus we see thus: "And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it."

Emphasis on "for that is delivered unto me"!

Who delivered to him? And when?

sonmvayina:
Who delivered to him? And when?

The most basic explanation without using exegesis is that God gave man dominion which man delivered up to Satan when he Imbibed his ways!

And as for the second question it's self explanatory from the first

Gabrielshow24:
The most basic explanation without using exegesis is that God gave man dominion which man delivered up to Satan when he Imbibed his ways!

And as for the second question it's self explanatory from the first

When did man deliver dominion to Satan..

I want Bible quotes. I don't need your opinion..

sonmvayina:
When did man deliver dominion to Satan..

I want Bible quotes. I don't need your opinion..

"Through the iniquity of one, sin came into this world" Romans 5:12.

If you are trying to play into the " EXACT WORD FALLACY" then that will not work!

Gabrielshow24:
"Through the iniquity of one, sin came into this world" Romans 5:12.

If you are trying to play into the " EXACT WORD FALLACY" then that will not work!

I want the word of God in Genesis.. because that is the beginning.
I don't need what somebody said who was not there ....

Whose iniquity anyway?

I don't need a

sonmvayina:
I want the word of God in Genesis.. because that is the beginning.
I don't need what somebody said who was not there ....

Whose iniquity anyway?

I don't need a

The same genesis written by a non-existent "Moses" 👀

Can you see your hypocrisy?

Gabrielshow24:
The same genesis written by a non-existent "Moses" 👀

Can you see your hypocrisy?

Olodo??


Bye bye...

sonmvayina:
Olodo??


Bye bye...

🤣🤣🤣Sonmva my guy always running 😂😂😂

sonmvayina:
My personal belief is that those Hebrew and Greek words have been misunderstood. Both languages speak of a figurative adversary because the ancients described the ups and downs of everyday life more poetically than we do. Satan is the adversary and the devil (diabolos) is the "ruler of darkness" which is just a fancy word for the moon. Both though are used poetically to describe our inner limitations. As we already know, humans are the evil ones
Nothing whatever. The human imagination is an extraordinary thing especially when some of its worst excesses are codified in big books peddled by big, rich organizations intent on brainwashing the world into joining them. The “evil” in this world done by humans is largely rooted in fear, because our bodies are mortal and are terrified of death. The “evil” done by other animals, by landslides and tsunamis and epidemics, is just Nature being itself.

No mystery, no devils, no Satan. But people will believe what they’re taught.



So the ‘fallen angel’ story is a myth adapted into the Roman church...

While I have no personal beliefs about Satan, I am watching the show Lucifer and the Lucifer in the show is one of the best depictions of the devil I have seen.

LordReed:
While I have no personal beliefs about Satan, I am watching the show Lucifer and the Lucifer in the show is one of the best depictions of the devil I have seen.

👀With other Angels being the adversary!
And God stepping down!
It's just a divine comedy made to amuse you of what if but not what is!