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MaxInDHouse:
Why not wait until you they are through with their modifications?

No useful modifications apart from what is found written in the Bible!

They announced two winners of Nobel prize in medicine today (for helping find covid vaccine), the internet you are typing this on, all the modern amenities you enjoy, how many hove been found from the Bible,

CanadaOrBust:
See this one talking about contradictions. And you don't see contradiction in the fact that Allah is all powerful and all good yet a tsunami killed ½ million people, childhood cancer killed a child, etc.

God is all Powerful, yes! But we don't classify Him as All Good or otherwise! He is the Wise. Only He has a perfect understanding of things! He is aware of the death day of everything even before the thing was created. The child that will die will die! The child that will be born will be born! Everything happen according to His will.

Once again, God is Spirit, and spirit can have more than one expression and still remain one. Example, if you could send your thoughts on errand, those your thoughts would still be you, yet different expression of you!
Spirit can be in more than one body yet remain one Spirit.

That's not Islamic understanding of God! God created spirits but He is not his creation! He is what He wills for Himself!

So you're telling me, if you created this world you wouldn't want to have first hand experience of it from human perspective??

God is above such experience!
It's just like the creator of Windows 11 trying to put himself into that operating system to have a first hand experience of it. Na!

CanadaOrBust:
Jannah literally means garden. Paradise is mostly referred to as Jannah Al Firdaus or Jannathul Firdaus, but you can also just say Jannah.
Jannathul Firdaus is the highest level of Jannah.

Are you saying Allah's will changes? Allah never changes but his will does! Wow!

Please know the difference between laws made for man (and likely by man) and laws made by God


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Jannatul Firdaus: Means "the fragrance of the garden of heaven". It is a popular fragrance in India that is citrus fresh and mildly sweet.

Al-Firdaus: The Arabic word for "paradise". It is the highest, most spacious, and best part of Jannah. The word comes from the Persian word Pardis, which is also the origin of the English word "paradise".

People change as many people occupy the earth! When Adam was alone God created Eve from him. Technically Eve was his daughter or Twin creation!

Allah's will is with Him! And no one can change it!

CanadaOrBust:
They announced two winners of Nobel prize in medicine today (for helping find covid vaccine), the internet you are typing this on, all the modern amenities you enjoy, how many hove been found from the Bible,

So you don't know that God gave humans the job to discover whatever they can do with the knowledge He gave them to improve their living standards on earth? Genesis 1:28

Ọmọ you don't need God to tell you that what people are discovering must have been found when humans are still making research on how to improve their living condition nah?

That's man's job to discover He has given us the brain to make things better that's why He never created electricity but gave birds feet that can land without being hurn on electric poles!

AntiChristian:
God is all Powerful, yes! But we don't classify Him as All Good or otherwise! He is the Wise. Only He has a perfect understanding of things! He is aware of the death day of everything even before the thing was created. The child that will die will die! The child that will be born will be born! Everything happen according to His will.

That's not Islamic understanding of God! God created spirits but He is not his creation! He is what He wills for Himself!



God is above such experience!
It's just like the creator of Windows 11 trying to put himself into that operating system to have a first hand experience of it. Na!

So you're saying He's not all good, that there's some mean streak and that explains earthquake or pandemic killing thousands of people and such?

As for spirit, what do you call an entity without a worldly body? Anyway John 4:24 states, "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth".

Humans and earth are NOT remotely like windows 11.
The natural thing would be that aspects of the creator would visit earth in various forms.

AntiChristian:
People change as many people occupy the earth! When Adam was alone God created Eve from him. Technically Eve was his daughter or Twin creation!

Allah's will is with Him! And no one can change it!

But you said his will changed - that the other Prophets were doing His will as at then.

Of course Adam married Eve. Who else do you want him to marry??!

MaxInDHouse:
So you don't know that God gave humans the job to discover whatever they can do with the knowledge He gave them to improve their living standards on earth? Genesis 1:28

Ọmọ you don't need God to tell you that what people are discovering must have been found when humans are still making research on how to improve their living condition nah?

That's man's job to discover He has given us the brain to make things better that's why He never created electricity but gave birds feet that can land without being hurn on electric poles!

The question is, how many have you discovered from the Bible which is what you are stuck on, refusing to modify your views no matter what real-world evidence emerges

CanadaOrBust:
But you said his will changed - that the other Prophets were doing His will as at then.

Of course Adam married Eve. Who else do you want him to marry??!

They are doing what He commanded them through the Prophet He sent to them!
That's Islam.

Do you expect Allah to tell Adam's offspring incest is forbidden?

CanadaOrBust:
So you're saying He's not all good, that there's some mean streak and that explains earthquake or pandemic killing thousands of people and such?

God created all things! We are the one dividing them into good and bad!

As for spirit, what do you call an entity without a worldly body? Anyway John 4:24 states, "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth".

There are unseen creatures we call Jinn in Islam. They are just like humans who live in communities. Some are God-conscious while others are not. They are powerful than humans. Allah made them from fire! And Satan is from them. They are typical of what you call spirit. God is not like them!

Angels are another world! They are made from light! God is not like them too!

Humans and earth are NOT remotely like windows 11.
The natural thing would be that aspects of the creator would visit earth in various forms.

It's unnatural for the creator to enter his creation as a creation! Allah encompasses all things with His knowledge!

AntiChristian:
They are doing what He commanded them through the Prophet He sent to them!
That's Islam.

Do you expect Allah to tell Adam's offspring incest is forbidden?

You are conflating things. That has nothing to do with Allah's will - there were simply not enough people. Just as if you were eating pork because it's the only food on earth.
That's different from Ramadan, 5-time prayer, etc

AntiChristian:
God created all things! We are the one dividing them into good and bad!

There are unseen creatures we call Jinn in Islam. They are just like humans who live in communities. Some are God-conscious while others are not. They are powerful than humans. Allah made them from fire! And Satan is from them. They are typical of what you call spirit. God is not like them!

Angels are another world! They are made from light! God is not like them too!



It's unnatural for the creator to enter his creation as a creation! Allah encompasses all things with His knowledge!

We are NOT talking of creation. We're talking of innocent child suffering excruciating pains and dying, families destroyed by natural disasters and others left permanently maimed, triumph of evil, etc.

It is not only natural that a creator would at some point like to interact with his creation at their level, but evidence abound of divine visitation. If you created dogs wouldn't you at one point want to experience being a dog - if not for knowledge, for fun

CanadaOrBust:
You are conflating things. That has nothing to do with Allah's will - there are simply not enough people. Just as if you were eating pork because it's the only food on earth.
That's different from Ramadan, 5-time prayer, etc

I already explained this before somewhere!

The way Adam worshipped won't be the way Noah worshipped! They all submitted to whatever laws Allah gave them!

All of them worshipped only one God not three in one!

AntiChristian:
I already explained this before somewhere!

The way Adam worshipped won't be the way Noah worshipped! They all submitted to whatever laws Allah gave them!

All of them worshipped only one God not three in one!

You said Allah's will does not change and they were following Allah's will as you are today. You see the contradiction?

AntiChristian:
God created all things! We are the one dividing them into good and bad!

There are unseen creatures we call Jinn in Islam. They are just like humans who live in communities. Some are God-conscious while others are not. They are powerful than humans. Allah made them from fire! And Satan is from them. They are typical of what you call spirit. God is not like them!

Angels are another world! They are made from light! God is not like them too!



It's unnatural for the creator to enter his creation as a creation! Allah encompasses all things with His knowledge!

We have different understanding of the word "Spirit"

CanadaOrBust:
It is not only natural that a creator would at some point like to interact with his creation at their level, but evidence abound of divine visitation. If you created dogs wouldn't you at one point want to experience being a dog - if not for knowledge, for fun

The idea of a creator desiring to experience life at the level of their creation is both imaginative and thought-provoking.

Arguing with this OP is like pouring water in a basket

CanadaOrBust:
The question is, how many have you discovered from the Bible which is what you are stuck on, refusing to modify your views no matter what real-world evidence emerges.

What should be the purpose of God?
What should be the purpose of religion?

Only the Bible answered perfectly!

MaxInDHouse:
What should be the purpose of God?
What should be the purpose of religion?

Only the Bible answered perfectly!

You might have lost focus.
Here's the statement again:
They announced two winners of Nobel prize in medicine today (for helping find covid vaccine), the internet you are typing this on, all the modern amenities you enjoy, how many hove been found from the Bible? How many have you discovered or invented from the Bible, which is what you are stuck on, refusing to modify your views no matter what real-world evidence emerges.

Petalss:
The idea of a creator desiring to experience life at the level of their creation is both imaginative and thought-provoking.

It even happens amongst us humans. Owners of companies going in as low-level employee. Have you seen the reality show "undercover boss"?

CanadaOrBust:
You might have lost focus.
Here's the statement again:
They announced two winners of Nobel prize in medicine today (for helping find covid vaccine), the internet you are typing this on, all the modern amenities you enjoy, how many hove been found from the Bible? How many have you discovered or invented from the Bible, which is what you are stuck on, refusing to modify your views no matter what real-world evidence emerges.

I told you the Bible is not a science textbook it has nothing to teach you about what humans discovers on this planet instead what this book is all about is how you and your neighbor can cohabit peacefully. The title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING not SCIENCE INSTRUCTOR so asking what God taught humans regarding scientific discoveries is like demanding from a king how he teaches his subjects to do everything around them while the only duty of a ruler is to maintain peace and order in his domain.

Meanwhile the Bible gave us a clue which shows that humans will still discover so many things on this planet:

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

In the above verses we learned four points:
• God CREATED humans with the ability to CREATE things on this planet that's why no other animal (as science teaches us) is making any advancement apart from humans.
• No matter the size of any creature humans have the ability to control or destroy it.
• Humans will continue to increase on this planet through sexual reproduction.
• Humans will SUBDUE the planet by discovering so much on it since it has been given to them as their home. Psalms 115:16

Please tell me which of these four points have science proved to be false?

Moreover the Bible made certain statements that scientists found so disturbing when they consider the age Bible writers penned down those words they wonder how they are able to have such accurate knowledge which scientists discovered thousands of years later to be true.

For instance when talking about the shape of planet earth people in Bible times thought the earth is flat but thousands of years ago Isaiah was INSPIRED to write that the earth is SPHERICAL! Isaiah 40:22

Another astonishing thing is how Moses who lived before Isaiah got to know that the earth is hanging in space whereas scientists of their time were of the opinion that nothing can stand without support not until Isaac Newton later DISCOVERED the force of gravity! Job 26:7

Please what influenced these men?

So despite the fact that the Bible didn't teach us science whenever this book speaks on science it's information is ACCURATE what we are still puzzled about are the miracles recorded in the Bible because scientists can't figure out how possible are those things but should that surprise us since the book itself is thousands of years ahead of them regarding how the earth is sustained in space and it's shape?

MaxInDHouse:
I told you the Bible is not a science textbook it has nothing to teach you about what humans discovers on this planet instead what this book is all about is how you and your neighbor can cohabit peacefully. The title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING not SCIENCE INSTRUCTOR so asking what God taught humans regarding scientific discoveries is like demanding from a king how he teaches his subjects to do everything around them while the only duty of a ruler is to maintain peace and order in his domain.

Meanwhile the Bible gave us a clue which shows that humans will still discover so many things on this planet:

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

In the above verses we learned four points:
• God CREATED humans with the ability to CREATE things on this planet that's why no other animal (as science teaches us) is making any advancement apart from humans.
• No matter the size of any creature humans have the ability to control or destroy it.
• Humans will continue to increase on this planet through sexual reproduction.
• Humans will SUBDUE the planet by discovering so much on it since it has been given to them as their home. Psalms 115:16

Please tell me which of these four points have science proved to be false?

Moreover the Bible made certain statements that scientists found so disturbing when they consider the age Bible writers penned down those words they wonder how they are able to have such accurate knowledge which scientists discovered thousands of years later to be true.

For instance when talking about the shape of planet earth people in Bible times thought the earth is flat but thousands of years ago Isaiah was INSPIRED to write that the earth is SPHERICAL! Isaiah 40:22

Another astonishing thing is how Moses who lived before Isaiah got to know that the earth is hanging in space whereas scientists of their time were of the opinion that nothing can stand without support not until Isaac Newton later DISCOVERED the force of gravity! Job 26:7

Please what influenced these men?

So despite the fact that the Bible didn't teach us science whenever this book speaks on science it's information is ACCURATE what we are still puzzled about are the miracles recorded in the Bible because scientists can't figure out how possible are those things but should that surprise us since the book itself is thousands of years ahead of them regarding how the earth is sustained in space and it's shape?

I think you're intentionally pretending not to get the question. The question is what have YOU discovered or invented.
To put it another way, there are two mindsets. The question is WHAT has your mindset discovered or invented.
Here's what I wrote again (this is the mindset that invented everything we enjoy):

"While others are genuinely and honestly trying to find answers to the questions and modifying their answers as new evidence emerges, you're stuck in an ancient book with contradictions, written by diverse authors, and refusing to modify your views no matter what real-world evidence emerges!"

As for astronomical accuracy, the Bible also says the stars will fall to earth!

CanadaOrBust:
I think you're intentionally pretending not to get the question. The question is what have YOU discovered or invented.
To put it another way, there are two mindsets. The question is WHAT has your mindset discovered or invented.
Here's what I wrote again (this is the mindset that invented everything we enjoy):

I am not a scientist nah so why do you think i must invent something before i can talk about God?
What i have discovered is that only the Bible has helped to remove politics and racism from the minds of its adherents while your inventors are busy making devices that to kill their neighbors.

CanadaOrBust:
"While others are genuinely and honestly trying to find answers to the questions and modifying their answers as new evidence emerges, you're stuck in an ancient book with contradictions, written by diverse authors, and refusing to modify your views no matter what real-world evidence emerges!"

What has their modifications yielded so far?
And don't come telling me science belongs to atheists there are many scientists in religion.

CanadaOrBust:
As for astronomical accuracy, the Bible also says the stars will fall to earth!

You missed the point what you quoted is not to be taken literally because if stars should fall to the earth that means mankind is no longer safe on the planet whereas God made a lot of promises assuring the inhabitants of the earth that nothing can affect our planet home! Genesis 8:21-22; Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4

So what is the meaning of stars that will fall to the earth?
The Bible book of Jobs answers:
When the morning STARS joyfully cried out together, And all the SONS OF GOD began shouting in applause? Job 38:7
They are rebellious angels who have turned against their Creator as they followed Satan and he deceived 1/3 to join his rebellion {Revelations 12:4} the Bible further explained that it's war in heaven that will lead to their ousting from their abode! Revelations 12:7-12

Please if you don't understand something in the Bible don't hesitate to ask {Matthew 7:7-8} because failure to understand what the book teaches will make you feel there's nothing to gain in studying God's word: BIBLE!

CanadaOrBust:
It even happens amongst us humans. Owners of companies going in as low-level employee. Have you seen the reality show "undercover boss"?

To start with, a company owner is not responsible for the creation of the employees; he merely hires them to work for his business. His role is to recruit individuals who possess the skills needed to contribute to the organization.

Now, even if we were to imagine a scenario where the owner actually created his employees, one would have to question the purpose of him becoming part of his own creation. What would his intentions be in such a situation?

CanadaOrBust:
We have different understanding of the word "Spirit"

Exactly!

Holy Spirit in Islam = Angel Gabriel that brings revelations!

Spirit can mean Soul!

All in all, Spirit is a creation of Allah! We don't attribute it to Allah!

CanadaOrBust:
You said Allah's will does not change and they were following Allah's will as you are today. You see the contradiction?

That's not what i meant!

Allah created mankind and Jinns only to worship Him! So whoever worships Him alone and as He prescribed by following the Prophet sent to him is a Muslim.

This will does not change!

Even if Moses were to come again today he'll follow the rulings of the Qur'an and Sunnah now because the laws for his own dispensation had lapse!

CanadaOrBust:
We are NOT talking of creation. We're talking of innocent child suffering excruciating pains and dying, families destroyed by natural disasters and others left permanently maimed, triumph of evil, etc.

Man was created to toil! The world is an examination for us! And that's how Allah created and will it. Kids will die. The Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam had three sons and four daughters. All of his sons died before adulthood. Even his daughters that reached adulthood only one survived him. And this does not mean evil is winning in any way! That's the trial of Allah for the believers!

This is present in the story of Job in your Bible. And in Isaiah 45:7, I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker—one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘He has no hands’? 10Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to his mother, ‘What have you brought forth?’” 11Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker: “How dare you question Me about My sons, or instruct Me in the work of My hands? Isaiah 45:9-11

It is not only natural that a creator would at some point like to interact with his creation at their level, but evidence abound of divine visitation. If you created dogs wouldn't you at one point want to experience being a dog - if not for knowledge, for fun

Since time immemorial Allah has sent Prophets and Books to communicate with humans! Why the need for Him to come? Allah is not in need of us! We are the ones in need of Him! He doesn't need to interact with us at our level for He can't ever be degraded to that level! He is far from such baseless level! Your thought as a human creator is understandable! But God is not a man nor can He ever be!

MaxInDHouse:
I am not a scientist nah so why do you think i must invent something before i can talk about God?
What i have discovered is that only the Bible has helped to remove politics and racism from the minds of its adherents while your inventors are busy making devices that to kill their neighbors.

We're not talking about you personally. We're talking of your type of mindset. The point is that the mindset that is stuck on the Bible and never changes has never invented anything. Everything you enjoy as modern amenities including this internet, comes from the trial and error mindset.

What has their modifications yielded so far?
And don't come telling me science belongs to atheists there are many scientists in religion.

What a silly question to ask. Their modifications and trial and error have yielded everything you ungratefully enjoy. Nothing you enjoy was invented by people with a fixed, unchanging mindset constrained and limited to the Bible.

You missed the point what you quoted is not to be taken literally because if stars should fall to the earth that means mankind is no longer safe on the planet whereas God made a lot of promises assuring the inhabitants of the earth that nothing can affect our planet home! Genesis 8:21-22; Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4

But the one you quoted is to be taken literally bah? You pick and choose what to take literally!

How about the very age of the earth/universe itself. You really believe the universe is 6,000 years old??
It can easily be demonstrated that the light entering your eyes from stars take millions of years to get here.
Then there are these:
"The pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and on them He has set the world” (1 Samuel 2:8, ESV).
Psalm 75:3 quotes God saying, “When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm." 
"I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth"
What about the Bible’s references to the “ends of the earth” in Deuteronomy 13:7; Job 28:24; Psalm 48:10; Proverbs 30:4.
You can't pick and choose what to take literally.

But there are biblical things that can actually only be taken one way. Example, Herod never had babies slaughtered, and no census was done during his reign. The only census around that time was done by his replacement after Herod died. Those are historical FACTS.. Also, the Roman’s didn’t require people to travel to take part in a census. That'd defeat purpose of census.
Then there is the zombie apocalypse which no one else observed.
Also, independent creation of species which DNA and fossils can easily prove false. With DNA, we can easily trace how all life is related and descended.
Them there is the ridiculousness of Noah's arc - how can all animals and their food of 40 days fit in an arc? How did vegetation survive that herbivores would eat after release? What kept the predators from eating up all the prey once released? If not, how did the carnivores survive? Etc.

CanadaOrBust:
We're not talking about you personally. We're talking of your type of mindset. The point is that the mindset that is stuck on the Bible and never changes has never invented anything. Everything you enjoy as modern amenities including this internet, comes from the trial and error mindset. What a silly question to ask. Their modifications and trial and error have yielded everything you ungratefully enjoy. Nothing you enjoy was invented by people with a fixed, unchanging mindset constrained and limited to the Bible.

OK so you think i don't have a job shey?
Ọmọ because i choose to believe in God doesn't mean i don't participate in any form of invention nah!

CanadaOrBust:
But the one you quoted is to be taken literally bah? You pick and choose what to take literally! How about the very age of the earth/universe itself. You really believe the universe is 6,000 years old??
It can easily be demonstrated that the light entering your eyes from stars take millions of years to get here.
Then there are these:
"The pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and on them He has set the world” (1 Samuel 2:8, ESV).
Psalm 75:3 quotes God saying, “When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm." 
"I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth"
What about the Bible’s references to the “ends of the earth” in Deuteronomy 13:7; Job 28:24; Psalm 48:10; Proverbs 30:4.
You can't pick and choose what to take literally.

But there are biblical things that can actually only be taken one way. Example, Herod never had babies slaughtered, and no census was done during his reign. The only census around that time was done by his replacement after Herod died. Those are historical FACTS.. Also, the Roman’s didn’t require people to travel to take part in a census. That'd defeat purpose of census.
Then there is the zombie apocalypse which no one else observed.
Also, independent creation of species which DNA and fossils can easily prove false. With DNA, we can easily trace how all life is related and descended.
Them there is the ridiculousness of Noah's arc - how can all animals and their food of 40 days fit in an arc? How did vegetation survive that herbivores would eat after release? What kept the predators from eating up all the prey once released? If not, how did the carnivores survive? Etc.

The Bible never mentioned Universe you are the one running that conclusion, what the Bible said is that life began here on earth some 6,000 years ago and there is nothing that exists today that's not subjective to humans so the universe may have existed longer than that but as for man and animals all started existing according to what the Bible says!

AntiChristian:
Since time immemorial Allah has sent Prophets and Books to communicate with humans! Why the need for Him to come? Allah is not in need of us! We are the ones in need of Him! He doesn't need to interact with us at our level for He can't ever be degraded to that level! He is far from such baseless level! Your thought as a human creator is understandable! But God is not a man nor can He ever be!

Petalss:
To start with, a company owner is not responsible for the creation of the employees; he merely hires them to work for his business. His role is to recruit individuals who possess the skills needed to contribute to the organization.

Now, even if we were to imagine a scenario where the owner actually created his employees, one would have to question the purpose of him becoming part of his own creation. What would his intentions be in such a situation?

Bottom line is, God or part of God Himself did come to earth at least once that we are sure of.
Prophets don't accept worship. They would rebuke you to not get them in trouble. Lord Jesus freely accepted worship. A prophet would never use the divine "I am". Lord Jesus said "Before Abraham, I am". The Jews immediately recognized he was calling himself God and picked up stones to stone him. Not only that, the thousands of years before Him and after Him bear Him out. His comming was foretold thousands of years - that God would be comming to dwell amongst us. And when he came he said he was the one. And now that He's been gone two thousand years, which prophet in Bible comes anywhere near Him and what He's become. It is now that prophet JohnTB is indeed not fit to tie His shoes!

CanadaOrBust:
Bottom line is, God or part of God Himself did come to earth at least once that we are sure of.

This is false!

God is not a man! Anthropomorphism is false!

Numbers 23:19:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

1 Samuel 15:29:
"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind."

Hosea 11:9:
"I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a human being—the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities."

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 44:6-20
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. Who then is like Me? Let him say so! Let him declare his case before Me, since I established an ancient people. Let him foretell the things to come, and what is to take place...

Jesus couldn't foretell the hour in Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Isaiah 55:8-9:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Psalm 50:21:
"These things you have done, and I have been silent; you thought that I was one like yourself. But now I rebuke you and lay the charge before you."

Job 9:32-33:
"For he is not a man, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together. There is no arbiter between us, who might lay his hand on us both."

So God is not man and can never become man!

God does not change:

Psalm 55:19 -
"God will hear and answer them—Even the one who sits enthroned from of old— Selah. With whom there is no change, And who do not fear God."

Malachi 3:6 -
"For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."

So when did the Lord Change?

Prophets don't accept worship. They would rebuke you to not get them in trouble. Lord Jesus freely accepted worship.

What is worship? Did they clap for Jesus or Sang for him? Jesus worshipped God himself! He put his head to the ground for God in worship! even in the Lord's Prater he directed the prayer to God in heaven not himself on Earth! If you meant worship is people bowing down for him then we say that is like the Yorubas greeting elders in respect or as Christians greet the MOGs today! You can show where Jesus is worshipped and it will be debunked right here! And many other people were bowed down for in the same Bible as a sign of respect! An example is Joseph's brothers and parents bowing down for him!

A prophet would never use the divine "I am". Lord Jesus said "Before Abraham, I am". The Jews immediately recognized he was calling himself God and picked up stones to stone him.

Jesus was speaking in parables purposely and many do not understand him! And most of the so-called "i am" verses are found in the book of John and never in the other Synoptic Gospels!

Go and check the Greek and Hebrew translation that was translated as "I am that i am"

"Ego eimi" is the term and It is present in many verses!

John 9:9 - Some claimed that he was, but others said, “No, he just looks like him.” But the man kept saying, “I am the one.”

Acts 26:29 - “Short time or long,” Paul replied, “I wish to God that not only you but all who hear me this day may become what I am, except for these chains.”

Mark 13:6 - Many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.

Luke 21:8 - Jesus answered, “See to it that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

John 18:5 - “Jesus of Nazareth,” they answered. Jesus said, “I am He.” And Judas His betrayer was standing there with them.

John 18:6 - When Jesus said, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground

John 18:8 - “I told you that I am He,” Jesus replied. “So if you are looking for Me, let these men go.”

Matthew 14:27 - But Jesus spoke up at once: “Take courage! It is I. Do not be afraid.”

Mark 6:50 - because they all saw him and were terrified. Immediately he spoke to them and said, “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”

John 6:20 - But he said to them, “It is I; don’t be afraid.”

John 8:24 - That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:28 - So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me.

So you can see how "Ego eimi" or "Eimi ego" has been translated throughout the Bible. Are they all referring to God?

Not only that, time before and after Him bears Him out. His coming was foretold thousands of years - that God would be coming to dwell amongst us. And when he came he said he was the one. And now He's been gone two thousand years - which prophet in Bible comes anywhere near what He's become. Now prophet JohnTB is indeed not fit to tie His shoes!

All these are just damage control used by many of you guys! "Jesus" was never mentioned by name anywhere in any Prophecy! He was not called Emmanuel anywhere! And just as John praised Jesus, Jesus did praised him too!

I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John Luke 7:28

Jesus too was born of a woman then!

CanadaOrBust:
Bottom line is, God or part of God Himself did come to earth at least once that we are sure of.
Prophets don't accept worship. They would rebuke you to not get them in trouble. Lord Jesus freely accepted worship. A prophet would never use the divine "I am". Lord Jesus said "Before Abraham, I am". The Jews immediately recognized he was calling himself God and picked up stones to stone him. Not only that, the thousands of years before Him and after Him bear Him out. His comming was foretold thousands of years - that God would be comming to dwell amongst us. And when he came he said he was the one. And now that He's been gone two thousand years, which prophet in Bible comes anywhere near Him and what He's become. It is now that prophet JohnTB is indeed not fit to tie His shoes!

Does everything that exist not come from God?