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Dtruthspeaker:
Whether belief or believe they both refer to the same thing and they are both doing something or causing something to be done.

However, the point of my question is that, does belief determine Truth? eg if Peter Obi believes he is the president of Nigeria does it make it True?

Okay my friend. Truth is a Statement true in all aspects. Belief is something personal, may or may not be true and it can change with time. As for Peter Obi believing his the president is just his own strong conviction which does not make it so....
As for my earlier statement saying Every religion is true( My own perception )is because I see my self as an ominst person who believes in a single transcendent purpose or cause uniting all things or people..❤️❤️ Love.. God is Love bro .Unity ,harmony is a powerful force in this our world it brings people together, sense of peace and it bring about Sense of belonging.... You can add yours my friend.. we learn everyday. let's learn from your own side.

xtianchris:
Okay my friend. Truth is a Statement true in all aspects. Belief is something personal, may or may not be true and it can change with time. As for Peter Obi believing his the president is just his own strong conviction which does not make it so....
As for my earlier statement saying Every religion is true( My own perception )is because I see my self as an ominst person who believes in a single transcendent purpose or cause uniting all things or people..❤️❤️ Love.. God is Love bro .Unity ,harmony is a powerful force in this our world it brings people together, sense of peace and it bring about Sense of belonging.... You can add yours my friend.. we learn everyday. let's learn from your own side.

Truth is that which is True. And in a statement some aspects of it may not be the true hence such a statement is half true.

Thus, Truth is above belief which is purely confined to a person's preference and understanding.

Therefore, your preferance and belief might be in goodness and love but for some people like muslim's boko haram they prefer evil and hatred.

Dtruthspeaker:
Truth is that which is True. And in a statement some aspects of it may not be the true hence such a statement is half true.

Thus, Truth is above belief which is purely confined to a person's preference and understanding.

Therefore, your preferance and belief might be in goodness and love but for some people like muslim's boko haram they prefer evil and hatred.

.. Yeah it works for me Very well and I get results.. . Thanks for your understanding and input.. ..

xtianchris:
.. Yeah it works for me Very well and I get results.. . Thanks for your understanding and input.. ..

Glad you appreciate it.

Kobojunkie:
So long as the God(or Gods) in question is one's ultimate choice, it is a God.

Your latest inclusion of humans as deities to be worshipped contradicts your earlier argument that there are a thousand Gods in all of the different religion that exist in the world .

If you're now trying to include humans, then the figure should be much more higher than the about 4 thousand Gods you initially hinted at The number of individuals claiming to be deities or are regarded as such runs into millions.

So why did you stop at 4 thousand which is the estimated number of all the different types of religion that exist?

And I never used the plural form "Gods" begining in uppercase but ""gods" . in lowercase in my last reply to you .Changing what I typed is you deliberately trying to representing me.

triplechoice:
■ Your latest inclusion of humans as deities to be worshipped contradicts your earlier argument that there are a thousand Gods in all of the different religion that exist in the world .
■ If you're now trying to include humans, then the figure should be much more higher than the about 4 thousand Gods you initially hinted at The number of individuals claiming to be deities or are regarded as such runs into millions.
■And I never used the plural form "Gods" begining in uppercase but ""gods" . in lowercase in my last reply to you .Changing what I typed is you deliberately trying to representing me.

How in the world is the worship of the self contradictory in this case? I don't follow at all.

2. I am not including humans. The fact exists that there are humans for whom the self is the ultimate being to be focused on and none else. Some humans believe everything begins and ends with the self — the self is the God. Why in the world is stating things confusing for you?

3. I do. What law says it can't have a plural?

Kobojunkie:
How in the world is the worship of the self contradictory in this case? I don't follow at all.

2. I am not including humans. The fact exists that there are humans for whom the self is the ultimate being to be focused on and none else. Some humans believe everything begins and ends with the self — the self is the God. Why in the world is stating things confusing for you?

3. I do. What law says it can't have a plural?

1. The argument model you have used about 4 thousand Gods existing and worshipped in the about 4 thousand religion in the world is not original to you. I don't think you understand it and the purpose it's meant for.

A lot of atheists and irreligious persons have been using it to question the veracity of the claim put forward by both Christians and Muslims that theirs is the only true God which is responsible for the creation of the entire universe and everything in it . It's never about human deities who are never regarded as supreme creators .

But I already said here on this thread that it's a false argument because most of the other religion in the world haven't affirmed different supreme dieties but just one which the say has different names in different languages and numerous paths humans have created to make contact with it. In other words,for these other religion there's only one God and not thousands.

I believe you don't want to accept you presented a false argument at the beginning and so brought in human deities to create confusion as a way of insisting you were correct about what you argued . No, you not.

2. You're the one trying to create confusion and confusing yourself,not me.
Humans are never regarded as supreme deities to be worshipped .So don't conflate the two all because you want to win an argument. If you know of any such supreme human creator deity or religion where' that is accepted, mention it.

3. I never said it cannot have plural. Please go back and read again. I explained "God" begining with capital letter and "god" in Small letter to highlight the difference between humans deities and invisible supreme dieties.

Well ,I think I'm done with you since you're pretending not to know the difference between a supreme diety and humans regarded as lesser deities. Thanks for your time.

triplechoice:
■ The argument model you have used about 4 thousand Gods existing and worshipped in the about 4 thousand religion in the world is not original to you. I don't think you understand it and the purpose it's meant for. A lot of atheists and irreligious persons have been using it to question the veracity of the claim put forward by both Christians and Muslims that theirs is the only true God which is responsible for the creation of the entire universe and everything in it. It's never about human deities who are never regarded as supreme creators .
■ But I already said here on this thread that it's a false argument because most of the other religion in the world haven't affirmed different supreme dieties but just one which the say has different names in different languages and numerous paths humans have created to make contact with it. In other words,for these other religion there's only one God and not thousands. I believe you don't want to accept you presented a false argument at the beginning and so brought in human deities to create confusion as a way of insisting you were correct about what you argued . No, you not.
■ You're the one trying to create confusion and confusing yourself,not me. Humans are never regarded as supreme deities to be worshipped .So don't conflate the two all because you want to win an argument. If you know of any such supreme human creator deity or religion where' that is accepted, mention it.
■ I never said it cannot have plural. Please go back and read again. I explained "God" begining with capital letter and "god" in Small letter to highlight the difference between humans deities and invisible supreme dieties.
■ Well ,I think I'm done with you since you're pretending not to know the difference between a supreme diety and humans regarded as lesser deities. Thanks for your time.

1. One, I never said it is original to me. Two, if you are quite aware isn't original to me meaning there is nothing out of place with my use of it, then what in the world are you attempting to argue meaninglessly for?

If I decide it is, for me, about even human deities, who are you to decide whether or not I can use it in that manner or not?

2. I don't give a flying f-k about your private review of religions though as what matters is my review here which is that even those religions that place the self at the center of worship have the self as the supreme — the ultimate. You don't like that, that is your business, not mine!

3. Your confusion here is not mine or shared by me at all!

4. If you never said it cannot be plural then why are you raising an issue with my use of it in that manner? Please cut the bull already and move on if you have nothing meaningful to state here.

5. ***Yawn!***

Kobojunkie:
1. One, I never said it is original to me. Two, if you are quite aware isn't original to me meaning there is nothing out of place with my use of it, then what in the world are you attempting to argue meaninglessly for?

If I decide it is, for me, about even human deities, who are you to decide whether or not I can use it in that manner or not?

2. I don't give a flying f-k about your private review of religions though as what matters is my review here which is that even those religions that place the self at the center of worship have the self as the supreme — the ultimate. You don't like that, that is your business, not mine!

3. Your confusion here is not mine or shared by me at all!

4. If you never said it cannot be plural then why are you raising an issue with my use of it in that manner? Please cut the bull already and move on if you have nothing meaningful to state here.

5. ***Yawn!***

Just saw this now.
Please mention one religion in the world that places the self as supreme deity that others within the group must worship as the one true God ?Just one if you're sure of what you're saying .

2.There's nothing like "at least" one supreme deity for every religion out there. You have asserted a falsehood which you're unwilling to take correction for.

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If you insist on making a word mean what you want it mean different from its actual meaning which everyone else apart from you has accepted to be correct, then .........

Kobojunkie:
True way to which God? There are at least 4000 known deities out there. So far, there seems to be at least one for every religion. In Nigeria alone there is Sango, Obatala, Orunmila, Ogun, Amadioha, Osanubua... so, do you need to see why you ought instead to be specific about the God you refer to?

Dummy!!!
Sango is the yoruba name for Amadioha, is also the same as Thor in Norse mythology...

Same thing different nomenclature. Is that not to be expected given the fact that there are many languages in the world....

Hope this little info will cure some of your ignorance..

triplechoice:
■ Just saw this now. Please mention one religion in the world that places the self as supreme deity that others within the group must worship as the one true God ?Just one if you're sure of what you're saying .
2.There's nothing like "at least" one supreme deity for every religion out there. You have asserted a falsehood which you're unwilling to take correction for.
3. If you insist on making a word mean what you want it mean different from its actual meaning which everyone else apart from you has accepted to be correct, then .........

if I have to respond to any of these silly retorts then it's best I don't respond at all. what do you think?

Kobojunkie:
if I have to respond to any of these silly retorts then it's best I don't respond at all. what do you think?

I'm not responsible for how you think or feel

Moreover, you entitled to your own opinion just as I'm entitled to mine.