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gidgiddy:
A remarkable Igbo man he was. When he wrote his book in London in 1795, it would be another hundred years before anyone ever heard the word "Nigeria"

GBTYO:
It's no secret that the Ibos suffered greatly during the Jewish Atlantic Slave trade as they formed by far the highest number of abducted people .

But what is really strange that despite such high numbers running into the millions , not one single emancipated Ibo slave like the one referenced in this thread never found it in him or her to return back to their ancestral land .

I have asked severally here for just one emancipated Ibo slave who returned back to his roots.

So even after being set free not one Ibo slave returned back home. That's to tell you how fcked up Ibo land was that even freed slaves had no intention of going back home and reconnecting with their kindred.

nairalanda1:
Let's put away the whole Igbo and Jews things, and think about it for a moment.

You have a kid who has been taken from his culture and language at the age of ten years old, and literally Europeanized, and also christianized, and then you want him to return to his people.....

He would be like a strange being to them. He no longer speaks their language, or respects their gods, and culture...and probably has European sensitivites.

Yeah, it would be a disaster.

Plus it is very likely he would die. He's lost his immunity to Malaria. So, he goes back.?...


Plus, the guy had found his place, as it was, in European society.


How about Abram Petrovich Gannibal. Maybe he should have gone back after all the training the Tsar had put in him. Well, he had essentially become a Russian. Woild his people have recognised him.? Infact he might have even regarded them as barbarians.(It is a good thing he stayed in Russia though...he gave that country its greatest ever general, and also was the ancestor of Pushkin, who essentially modernized Russian language).

One guy from what became Ghana was taken as a slave, and eventually got freed, went to Germany, became an intellectual, and then tried to 'go home'. It did not work out.

Adaisback:
thanks for putting that okoko in his place. He is a well known Igbo hater

nairalanda1:
You have a kid who has been taken from his culture and language at the age of ten years old, and literally Europeanized, and also christianized, and then you want him to return to his people.....

He would be like a strange being to them. He no longer speaks their language, or respects their gods, and culture...and probably has European sensitivites.

Yeah, it would be a disaster.





Plus it is very likely he would die. He's lost his immunity to Malaria. So, he goes back.?...

T9ksy:
Ajayi Crowther was only 12yrs old when he was snatched by the fulanis slave raiders and subsequently sold to the Portuguese but still found his way back to his ancestral land upon gaining his freedom.

nairalanda1:
Let's put away the whole Igbo and Jews things, and think about it for a moment.

You have a kid who has been taken from his culture and language at the age of ten years old, and literally Europeanized, and also christianized, and then you want him to return to his people.....

He would be like a strange being to them. He no longer speaks their language, or respects their gods, and culture...and probably has European sensitivites.

Yeah, it would be a disaster.

Plus it is very likely he would die. He's lost his immunity to Malaria. So, he goes back.?...


Plus, the guy had found his place, as it was, in European society.


How about Abram Petrovich Gannibal. Maybe he should have gone back after all the training the Tsar had put in him. Well, he had essentially become a Russian. Woild his people have recognised him.? Infact he might have even regarded them as barbarians.(It is a good thing he stayed in Russia though...he gave that country its greatest ever general, and also was the ancestor of Pushkin, who essentially modernized Russian language).

One guy from what became Ghana was taken as a slave, and eventually got freed, went to Germany, became an intellectual, and then tried to 'go home'. It did not work out.


Let's even remember most of them did not knw which village they came from. Gannibal did not know his village, and even Equaino...all he was able to remember that he came from a village west of the Niger and that he was Ibo, which could be anywhere in Delta state.

GBTYO:
The Jewish Atlantic slaver trade and it's Jewish slavers did not deal exclusively on children. Matured men and women were sold to Jewish slavers . The vast majority of those sold were adults


[b]Are you now telling me that out of the millions sold none of the adults escaped or secured their freedo[/b]m ?

There have been several accounts of emancipated African slaves returning back to their homeland . Notably are the likes of Ajayi Crowther . We even have accounts of Yoruba Muslim man (can't remember his name) who led a slave revolt in Bahia, regained his freedom and returned to his homeland . There's also King Bayano who was captured by Spanish slavers and sold into a Jewish plantation in Panama. He led a revolt and returned back to his homeland.

Are you telling me that out if the millions of Ibos sold into slavery all of them were kids?

I laugh.

nairalanda1:
Yeah, a few things about crowther

1. He was not taken to Europe...he went to SIerra leone...same climate. And he found a community of people like him who were commited to recalling where they came from.

2. By the time he came back to his ancestral land, there was a small and growing community of christians like him. (Thanks to the work of people like Birch Freeman, and others...look up Birch Freeman).


3.Equaino was taken to Europe, and was westernised. By the time he was kidnapped, it was the 18th century, there were no christians in Southern NIgeria (the last native christian community was in Warri, and it was on its last legs after 300 years of existence), and there were no westernised regions, and Sierra Leone was not set up until over 30 years after he died.

4. I can give another example of a Nigerian who was taken away. Ukashaw Gronishaw. He could never return for the same reasons. By the way, he was not igbo...he came from what is now Borno.

5. And there was Gannibal. Gannibal could not come back home because he had forgotten where he came from . He had been so europeanized...

6, And even then, there was a chance that Crowther would have not found a home to go to...like the Sierra Leonean CInque...who led the mutiniy on the Amistad, a slave ship that was taking them to North America. He got lucky, went back home...only to find that his house and village had been burnt to the ground, and his wife and child had gone. (Sadly, he got so bitter and became a slave trader...sigh)




Oga, let's drop the tribal hate. I am not here to play igbos vs yorubas.

GBTYO:
Not one emancipated Ibo slave returned back to Alaigbo.

Why would he return to a society that had a caste system discriminating between free borns and slaves?

The slave caste system in Ibo land did not recognise an emancipated slave.

The emancipated slave was sold into slavery in the first place because he or she was from the slave caste. Going back to Ibo land even when freed by his European masters will not change anything and the emancipated slave will still be seen as a slave in Ibo land .

So there you have it.

There's no record of any emancipated Ibo slave returning back to his ancestral roots because that was even worse for him or her as they are going back to a society that has condemned them and their lineage to slavery.

nairalanda1:


Most slaves never found their way back home. If they did, the Americas and the Arab world and even places like India and Iran would have had zero native black populations.

Infact, some of them had no idea of how to get home. This was the 18th century...there were no detailed maps of the interior (infact Mungo park did not discover the Niger...he wanted to prove people wrong about how the Niger flowed...many people had the wrong idea, and he corrected them with his discovery). Gannibal and Ukashaw Gronishaw knew where they came from, but not how to get there.

I have already explained why Crowhter was different.

Many slaves, including Yoruba and Igbo, and other tribes never ever ever got to go home. That is the tragedy of slavery...be it the atlantic, or the slavery that was practiced centuries ago.


If you know your bible...you would know the Roman governor Felix. Felix was the one who put St paul in prision. Felix was a freed slave. He had become so Roman that he did not know his original culuture. He probably never knew. SO, he became Roman.(and even married up).

GBTYO:
So the emancipated or escapee slaves of Yoruba origins who returned to their homelands nko?

The fact is that most Ibos who ended up in the hauls of Jewish slave ships were slaves in Ibo society.

Returning back to Ibo land was only returning back to being part of the slave caste that they , their ancestors and lineage to come had been condemned to by the Ibo slave caste system.

Do you think the freeborns in Ibo land will recognise a slave emancipated by his or European master when they are of the slave caste ?

nairalanda1:


Most slaves never found their way back home. If they did, the Americas and the Arab world and even places like India and Iran would have had zero native black populations.

Infact, some of them had no idea of how to get home. This was the 18th century...there were no detailed maps of the interior (infact Mungo park did not discover the Niger...he wanted to prove people wrong about how the Niger flowed...many people had the wrong idea, and he corrected them with his discovery). Gannibal and Ukashaw Gronishaw knew where they came from, but not how to get there.

I have already explained why Crowhter was different.

Many slaves, including Yoruba and Igbo, and other tribes never ever ever got to go home. That is the tragedy of slavery...be it the atlantic, or the slavery that was practiced centuries ago.


If you know your bible...you would know the Roman governor Felix. Felix was the one who put St paul in prision. Felix was a freed slave. He had become so Roman that he did not know his original culuture. He probably never knew. SO, he became Roman.(and even married up).

GBTYO:
So the emancipated or escapee slaves of Yoruba origins who returned to their homelands nko?

The fact is that most Ibos who ended up in the hauls of Jewish slave ships were slaves in Ibo society.

Returning back to Ibo land was only returning back to being part of the slave caste that they , their ancestors and lineage to come had been condemned to by the Ibo slave caste system.

Do you think the freeborns in Ibo land will recognise a slave emancipated by his or her European master when they are of the slave caste ?

nairalanda1:
Many slaves who were not Ibo never returned to their homelands.

The Yorubas who returned had a small already Missionised community to come back to. Otherwise, most Yorubas never ever came back, so did most Igbos (christianity was not even preached in igbo land until after 1860, so what would a returnee have had to come back to...a culuture he was ailien for), and most edo, middle belters, efiks, ibbibios, ijaws, and a host of other tribes...because slavery did not affect just yourba and igbos.

It affected a host of tribes. SO many tribes . Infact when the british came in, they found a lot of deserted areas because so many people had been taken that people fled into the mountains.


There is one scary photo in a book of African history. It was taken in 1904, and it shows a Moroocan boy with his hausa female slave. Ya think that young girl was able to go back?

GBTYO:
Of course , the vast majority never returned but some did and this is important.

Those who never returned were those who never secured their freedom or forgot their origins of did not know how to get back. But the bottom line is many returned. If you go to Lagos , you will see Brazilian quarters and it was were most Yoruba returnees settled . There's Strachan street in Lagos and this was were the Yorubas freed by the British navy settled.

But the issue here is that there's no record of any Ibo slave returning back home.

Take Olaudah Equiano for instance. He knew his origins and obviously could afford the travel back to his ancestral land but he never did.

The answer to this is that Equiano knew his homeland and he was not too keen to return back to it.

And the reasons for this is that Equiano being sold in the first place to Jewish slavers must have come from the slave caste in the first place. Returning back to Ibo land was him resuming back to his slave status irrespective of whether he was set free by his Jewish slave masters.

Now that's the truth and that's why no emancipated Ibo slave even thought of going back to that hell hole.

nairalanda1:
Hating people does the hater more harm than the people he hates.

nairalanda1:
Yeah, a few things about crowther

1. He was not taken to Europe...he went to SIerra leone...same climate. And he found a community of people like him who were commited to recalling where they came from.

2. By the time he came back to his ancestral land, there was a small and growing community of christians like him. (Thanks to the work of people like Birch Freeman, and others...look up Birch Freeman).


3.Equaino was taken to Europe, and was westernised. By the time he was kidnapped, it was the 18th century, there were no christians in Southern NIgeria (the last native christian community was in Warri, and it was on its last legs after 300 years of existence), and there were no westernised regions, and Sierra Leone was not set up until over 30 years after he died.

4. I can give another example of a Nigerian who was taken away. Ukashaw Gronishaw. He could never return for the same reasons. By the way, he was not igbo...he came from what is now Borno.

5. And there was Gannibal. Gannibal could not come back home because he had forgotten where he came from . He had been so europeanized...

6, And even then, there was a chance that Crowther would have not found a home to go to...like the Sierra Leonean CInque...who led the mutiniy on the Amistad, a slave ship that was taking them to North America. He got lucky, went back home...only to find that his house and village had been burnt to the ground, and his wife and child had gone. (Sadly, he got so bitter and became a slave trader...sigh)




Oga, let's drop the tribal hate. I am not here to play igbos vs yorubas.

T9ksy:
[color=#000099][i] Why does everything about you people always have to be "tribal hatred" ? One can't
correct you guys without it been out of hatred for your tribe?

GBTYO:
Stop crying.

Truth is bitter and I am here to give you a whole bunch of bitter leaves to chew


This topic was meant to fuel the ego of Ibo supremacists but I had to fck it up for you guys.

nairalanda1:
That's because there was no milleu for them to return to

Anyone taken before 1801, won't have been ever able to come back. The yorubas who came back were able to do so because of the small milleu of christians in their region.

Any Igbo won't have been able to come back until the early 20th century. Ibo land was resistant to christianity for a long time.

Even then, some may have gone back to Sierra Leone, and Liberia. And...some may have come back as missionaries with Crowther.


Oga, calm down with your hate for igbos and jews. Hating people makes you look funny.

GBTYO:
Story.

I am telling you the obvious truth about precolonial Ibo society and how much it was such a terrible place that even emancipated slaves never thought about going back there.

If you call it hate speech nah
Sabi.

I want you to know that if not for the British you all like to blame for everything and their intervention
in ending all the barbaric practices (which you still cling on to) and ending the Jewish slave trade, your freeborns would have harvested you all into the Americas .

T9ksy:
Why does everything about you people always have to be "tribal hatred" ? One can't
correct you guys without it been out of hatred for your tribe?

I corrected a statement by you that aquino was only 10yrs old and hence he forgot everything about his culture, language, heritage and had also been westernised hence he had no means of finding hiw way back home and i referred you to the fact that Ajayi Crowther was only 12yrs old but stoll found his way home. How has my rejoinder to you excuse for aquino has to do with tribal hatred?

In addition, ajayi too spent time in england maybe not as long as aquino but nevertheless, he did ɓut was not westernised enough to forget about his homeland.

Desist from perceving everybody you engage with by your own thought process. Not every response from others ( to your claims) should be constru as tribal hatred-induced by you guys. It's cheap ang infantile cop-out.

nairalanda1:
Thanks for enlightening me on how much you hate others.

Good evening. Beware, hate for others is destructive.

GBTYO:
Truth is bitter.


No more room for revisionism that is only meant to fuel Ibo supremacist ideology.

nairalanda1:
Okey dokey.

AlexBells:
I wonder why you are engaging that guy. Even today, black Americans are tracing their origin. He probably haven’t read about Igbo landing and how Igbo slaves are rebellious against slavery. More Igbo slaves have traced back in recent time than others

nairalanda1:
There is even one successful example of Igbo slaves rebelling, but I don't want to share details as it ends sadly ( but triumphantly)

All I will say is some slavers lost lots of money.

nairalanda1:
Good evening. Stop hating people

I'm not Igbo, and because of my anti-biafra stance, some people would regard me as anti-igbo self.

Hating people is not good for you.

Of course, you're not igbo Why then do you keep regurgitating "igbo" tactics?

Geez! I give up on your folks from the sad yeast! You're just irredeemable.
One can not have a rational discourse with you, without you folks reducing it down to " oh, it's because you HATE us".

What a flimsy and juvenile cop-out.