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ScarletBrace:
This is devilish.
Be careful what you spew here one of the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith.
You can't keep several wives as a follower of Jesus Christ. The first wife is your true wife.
Don't bring orisa and ifa’s standard into Christianity. You'll get burned.

angelboy01:
My brother, I have been having a seminar so just had time to reply. Now let me enlighten you in a way you will understand. Firstly Heaven is for higher spiritual beings which are The Angels and others I mentioned. These spiritual beings such as The 24 Elders, The Arch Angel Cherubim and Seraphim are made from the body of God. Angels live billion of years and they never die. That's where they live, that's where God created them to be. They are spiritual and not humans so in the hierarchy of Both the Spiritual and the physical you know which is stronger. So what I'm saying is that the notion of Humans living in Heaven is out of it cos we aren't angels to begin with. We are flesh, soul and a spirit. But our spirit doesn't go to heaven because that's not where it will go. I will explain that later on.

Now let's talk about Hell, firstly Hell doesn't exist to begin with. Heaven/Hell which you all potray is a spiritual place. Let's imagine for a second that Hell exist and Hell is infinity right? Now the bible said a thousand years is like a day before the lord, so if I live a 100yrs on earth thats a few hours before God right? So how does it make sense to sentence someone everlastingly for a sin he committed for just a few hours? Then someone as a human committed a sin to warrant going to hell like you all potray. So what are the things that will take him to Hell? Fornicating, Adultery, Murderer etc. Now let me ask you something if you are an earthly judge do you sentence someone to get burnt alive for the greatest offence? And remember in our lord's prayer it says as it is done on earth so it's done in heaven. Let me tell you one thing even if Hell were to exist Lucifer which is the apple of God's eye and the first Arch Angel won't go there cos that thought in itself is evil and not of love. A loving God is will not throw you in hell even for murder. You can't pay for a finite punishment in a sinful world and end yourself in an infinite situation.

Each realms are different and let me ask you if you were to make it to heaven and you tell God to show you where one of your loved one is and you see him gnashing in hell and you ask God what did he do and he says he slept with a married woman. Won't you beg and if he says no won't you hate such an entity. What makes you think he won't throw you in hell if you were to make a mistake in heaven? So what I'm saying is that God's not a psychopath. Only a psycho will watch his kids burn infinitely for a finite sin.

So now I will enlighten you about what happens when we die. We are reincarnated, yes believe it or not and I will tell you why. Do you know that normally people loose their memories and not remember anything again maybe due to a coma. Now when people die, Nature and God wipes the memory and make a little changes and the person is reborn probably in the same family or somewhere else that's why you see some kids have resemblance to their grandpa or great grandpa. So good people are reincarnated and people who did most evil will be reincarnated to something unworthy. Maybe a bacteria or virus or whatever. So that's where their soul ends or nature wouldn't just respawn them and that's an everlasting unconsciousness. So you are welcome.

Captain4Jehovah:
I perceived from your argument that you need to have a proper relationship with your Maker, God. When you do, then you would have a better understanding of who He is as far as human knowledge is concerned. Know that God's love is outgoing unlike Satan's incoming love. Two, God is both unmerciful and merciful. "Olorun roro, beni O is je alanu! Your reactions to your cotenants on earth determines His actions on you. If you being his son, is exceedingly wicked and brutal in murdering who He created, would He not pay you back in your own coin? See, "iha ti o ba ko si Olorun ni yio ko si o nigbeyin aye re laye." What you sow you reap. Nobody can mock God and go scot-free(Gal. 6:7).
If you are His son, then you won't commit a murder, adultery,etc. So God won't throw you into hell. If you are not his son, rather an evil bastard, He won't hesitate to throw you into hell. That's the Mathematics!
Your conclusion empowers more peoples on earth to continue in unrighteousness which includes marrying of many wives, the subject of this argument which Jesus outrightly condemns.
Angels don't live billion of years! They are FULLY COMPOSED SPIRITS unlike man who is living in a mortal body. They have reached A PINACLE OF LIFE and so, THEY CANNOT DIE. NEVER!

It is a demonic teaching to say there is reincarnation. You can't find it anywhere in the Bible. Judgment comes after death. I told you earlier, God IS ALMIGHTY AND A WISE CREATOR. He can and will continue to create whatever He likes until the end of time.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Revelation 4 : 11

Again, if our spirits do not go to heaven, then Paul's testimony in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 is baseless and he is a liar. Do understand that he was taken in the spirit to paradise. Additionally I say, our spirits can leave the body while alive! Where are the spirits of the departed souls if they don't all go to heaven? There are heavens of the dead. There they are waiting for judgment!
A spiritual place does not connote none existence. IF IT IS A PLACE, THEN HEAVEN AND HELL EXISTS. I SAY IT BLUNTLY AGAIN, HELL EXISTS, IT'S A REAL PLACE FOR THE WICKED.

Again, HUMAN MEMORY DOESN'T DIE, IT CANNOT BE WIPED OFF AFTER DEATH. IT is 100% possible to lose your memory while on earth BUT VERYTHING YOU DO WOULD BE BROUGHT TO REMEMBRANCE AFTER YOU DIE BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE A RECORDER.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17 : 30

angelboy01:
Reincarnation isn't demonic, we are being recycled. Just as destroyed phones or materials are being recycled same as humans are recycled. Now let me tell you one thing, not everyone on this earth knows about your bible, not everyone will read it till they die. So would people who didn't read about Hell in the bible just meet themselves in hell? I bet you you know about hell because you read it from the Bible. You are talking about Hell and quoting bible, is not the the same bible that said in Ecclesiates 9:5 That the living know they will die but the dead know nothing, they have no further rewards even their memory is forgotten.

The bible said we have the mind of God, an eartly judge won't send you to burn same as God. No matter your sin, even you as a human can't burn a loved one if he does the gravious offence, So stop quoting what's suites you cos if you believe you know the Bible someone else also does. Saying I'm leading people onto unrighteous because of marrying many wives. Is it not God that also said be fruitful and multiply?

The first man Adam married more than one wife, many great men married more than one wife, so wives are humans like you not some object of sin like you think. So if you believe in hell and you believe the God you serve is evil to burn you in hell for fornicating then stick to such a God. But I don't believe that Jehovah Nissi will burn anyone infinitely for a finite sin. So believe in your belief and let me believe in mine.

Captain4Jehovah:
The more reason the living God in His great wisdom and outgoing love is giving the peoples of the earth "a little space of grace" to come to Him through Christ for YHWH is IN Christ RECONCILING THE WHOLE WORLD to Himself. The heart of man is greatly filled with evil.

And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.
Ezra 9 :8

"Let God be righteous and man, a liar". Leave the judgment to the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE for those who have not heard about Christ before they die. Anyway, you have heard about him countless times. What is your response to his love?

As for Ecclesiastes 9:5, you should have begun reading of the chapter from verse one. I only pity those who pick a portion of the Bible to satisfy their righteousness. Man, while on earth receives his rewards either good or bad:"gbogbo ese ti eniyan nda si ara ni". Earthly rewards end the moment he dies. And they have no earthly memory of it. I told you, earthly memory may die or corrupt, but once you die, all the things you have done would be brought to remembrance. Compare what Jesus told his disciples that the Holy Spirit would remind them all the things he had taught them. To back up my point here, take a look at this:

Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9 : 6

You see that_WHILE UNDER THE SUN NOT WHEN YOU DIE.

The next one:

[17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
1 Peter 4 : 17-18
If you don't want trouble for yourself and CHILDREN after you are gone, don't marry more than one wife, ONLY IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN!

I won't comment on the last paragraph and the attached picture.

Anyway, Jesus loves you, come to him NOW. SHALOM.












Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9 : 6

angelboy01:
Oga calm down, I'm a child of God. Infact I belong to winners chapel and I do envangelism regularly so because I don't believe in your hell don't try gaslighting me into saying I should go to Jesus, even before the missionaries came we had our culture and believes too. Infact I might even be more righteous than you but don't need to brag. Like I told you before believe in your hell and I don't believe in it doesn't mean I don't belong to Christ and stop saying I'm bringing our one portion of the Bible. The same bible you are bringing out your quotes from is the same I brought my own so Alaye calm down. Religion isn't by force and forcing your believes on me isn't by force either.

Captain4Jehovah:
I smiled when I read your comment half way! You shouldn't disappoint baba Oyedepo then! He is a man of the word. You should understand what I mean!

I SHALL NEVER BE OVERRIGHTEOUS OR HOLIER-THAN-THOU man for God is the ONLY ONE GOOD. I am a man like you and brother of the common faith in Christ which was handed to us through their sacrifice!

Regarding hell, I am telling you what "we have seen and heard". Shalom!

Kingosytex:
Delusion is your name. Marrying more than one wife is a sin but paying tithes isn't? 😂

Righteousness2:
True Repentance means turning away from your evil deeds. Repentance means making right your wrongs. Read The Conversion story of the tax collector in Luke 19 Zaccheus .
You cant remain with the sin and claim you are saved. You are deceiving yourself.
A Sinner is not a Christian. 1 john 3:8
A Christian is not a Sinner 1 John 3:9
True repentance of a man with more than one woman will entail him settling all his sin partners , sending them back to their parents and making peace with his 1st legally married Wife. This is true Repentance.
Any other thing is you Deceiving yourself.

Almunjid:
Thanks for your input, but let's be real – monogamy isn't that practical anymore, and we need to stop fooling ourselves. I mean, what's the point of having one wife and three side chicks or baby mamas? Plenty of Christians nowadays have more than one wife; polygamy has become pretty common in Christian circles, so you might as well embrace it.

TenQ:
A man used to have 12 wives as a traditionalist. He converted to Islam by reciting the Shahada and so the same with each of his 12 wives when Antichrist's Antichristian did dawah for them.

Now, according to the Sunnah of Mohammed or of Allah in the Qur'an, should he divorce 8 of his twelve wives.




I am waiting sir!






If you want to know my opinion according to the Bible for the case of the OP,
1. Having more than one wife is NOT a sin
2. However, ANYONE who would be a leader in the Church is expected to be the Husband of ONE wife.
3. God hates Divorce
This is the position of the scripture!

Almunjid:
Sorry for getting back to you late. So, about having multiple wives—in Islam, it's not considered a major sin. The idea is that Allah recommends marrying up to four wives max. Divorcing extra wives and maintaining only four wives max is an act of obedience to Allah's injunction as mentioned in Quran 4:3: "...then marry the women that seem good to you: two, or three, or four. If you fear that you will not be able to treat them justly, then marry (only) one..."

As for how this works out for the wives and kids, Islam has got it covered with laws on marriage, divorce, and child custody (Nikah, Talaq and kafalah respectively). Basically, if everyone follows the teachings, justice is done, and the wives and kids get the support they need. Islam provides a framework for dealing with these situations, so there shouldn't be a problem.

This approach is different from some pastors who might ask a new Christian convert to divorce his extra wives and leave it up to him to figure out how to treat his exes and children. Islam takes a more comprehensive view on guiding people through various aspects of life.

Shalom!

TenQ:
No Bible verse asks a man to divorce his wives to be monogamous. Anyone who says this is adding his views to the bible. It is recommended however that anyone who would be a leader in the church must have one wife and has a good home. It is NOT a sin to have more than one wife.

Is it permissible for a good Muslim to have more than four wives? What does the Sharia have to say for a Muslim who has more than four wives as Allah only gave Mohammed the permission for more than four.

Would such a Muslim be considered a true Muslim if he has more than four wives?

Almunjid:
I mentioned Allah's injunction in the Qur'an, which states that a Muslim man can marry up to four wives maximum. A good Muslim should abide by Allah's injunctions. Although having more than four wives isn't a major sin, it's not recommended.

As for the Prophet himself marrying more than four women, Allah granted him special permission due to the circumstances at the time; most of his wives were widows whose husbands had died during the jihad. However, this is no longer applicable today, as the focus has shifted from external struggles (lesser jihad) to internal ones (greater jihad), such as fighting against one's sinful nature, purifying one's heart, and doing good.

The Prophet's companions and the next generation of Muslims, known as the tabi'un, never exceeded the limit of four wives. Therefore, there's no justification for any Muslim to go beyond this limit. However, if someone does choose to marry more than four wives, it's between them and their creator (Allah); we shouldn't judge them. We know they're not fully adhering to Allah's injunction in the Qur'an, and Islam emphasizes obedience and submission to Allah.

Peace!

TenQ:
If you would be truthful, You will note that it is the same dilemma for both Islam and Christianity for this kind of exception. For Christians, Divorce is not allowed as God hates divorce.

With respect to the state a married man or married woman was before he converted (including in situations where one of the partners are not converted), there are three scriptures
1 Corinthians 7:10-11:
"A wife must not separate from her husband... If she does, she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife."
This emphasizes the commitment to existing marital vows post-conversion.
1 Corinthians 7:12-13:
Says that believers married to unbelievers to stay with them if they are willing to live together, reinforcing the idea of maintaining current marital status.
1 Corinthians 7:20: "Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him,"
indicating no need for drastic changes in marital status after conversion.





There seems to be no express Islamic injunction either from the Qur'an or the Hadiths or the Sunnah where an explicit instruction on what a convert who has more than four wives should do. Some Islamic clerics will insist that such a man with 10 wives divorce 6 to have four while other Clerics will say like you "It's not a major sin"!

Almunjid:
The idea that a new Christian convert keep all his multiple wives is based on your interpretation and understanding of the Bible. But you know, there are other clerics who have different opinions, and they also use the Bible to support their views. Even on Nairaland, righteousness2 believes that a Christian convert with 10 wives should only keep one wife and divorce the rest. It seems Christians are divided on this issue.

Almunjid:
Islam, however, is more straightforward—it says you can have up to four wives max. If you go beyond that, you're not following Allah's guidance, but it's not considered a major sin. For me, a new Muslim revert should divorce some wives if he has more than four, but remember, Islam unlike Christianity has rules for divorce and child support, so there's no need to worry about that.

Salaam!

Almunjid:
Islam, however, is more straightforward—it says you can have up to four wives max. If you go beyond that, you're not following Allah's guidance, but it's not considered a major sin. For me, a new Muslim revert should divorce some wives if he has more than four, but remember, Islam unlike Christianity has rules for divorce and child support, so there's no need to worry about that.

Salaam!

Daejumong:
Hi Daejumong, I am a new Christian convert with 4 wives! My pastor said I need to send three of my women away except the first wife! He said it is called restitution and it’s important for my new life in Christ!

My wives have all given their lives to Christ as well and I love them and not keen on sending any of them away.
I am a 38yr old man living in the northern part of Nigeria and I used to be a Muslim .

Sir, what should I do? Can’t I keep all of them and we all serve God together?

Righteousness2:
True Repentance means turning away from your evil deeds.
Repentance means making right your wrongs.

Read The Conversion story of the tax collector in Luke 19 Zaccheus .

You cant remain with the sin and claim you are saved. You are deceiving yourself.

A Sinner is not a Christian. 1 john 3:8
A Christian is not a Sinner 1 John 3:9

True repentance of a man with more than one woman will entail him settling all his sin partners , sending them back to their parents and making peace with his 1st legally married Wife.
This is true Repentance.

Any other thing is you Deceiving yourself.

sparko1:
So including all the women of Judah and Israel right, if we are to go literal?

This is just a victory statement, God didn't ask him to marry all the women of Israel.

The Bible in the old testament might not have stated one wife as a standard, but the new testament mentioned it.

There was no time God commanded anyone to marry more than one wife.

See below..

MiddleDimension:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOeWoHIvlG0

@Sparko1 @almarthin @MaxInDHouse @SIRTee15 @StillDTruth @DTruthSpeaker

This man who is in ministry says the side chick syndrome is prevalent in the church. Although he repeated the ignorance prevalent in the christian church that christianity does not teach polygamy; but he nevertheless admitted that sidechikism, which your religion, christianity goes against, is prevalent.

So, can you see how your false teaching of compulsory monogamy causes not just in the society, but also in your church?

MiddleDimension:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOeWoHIvlG0

@Sparko1 @almarthin @MaxInDHouse @SIRTee15 @StillDTruth @DTruthSpeaker

This man who is in ministry says the side chick syndrome is prevalent in the church. Although he repeated the ignorance prevalent in the christian church that christianity does not teach polygamy; but he nevertheless admitted that sidechikism, which your religion, christianity goes against, is prevalent.

So, can you see how your false teaching of compulsory monogamy causes not just in the society, but also in your church?

MiddleDimension:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOeWoHIvlG0

@Sparko1 @almarthin @MaxInDHouse @SIRTee15 @StillDTruth @DTruthSpeaker

This man who is in ministry says the side chick syndrome is prevalent in the church. Although he repeated the ignorance prevalent in the christian church that christianity does not teach polygamy; but he nevertheless admitted that sidechikism, which your religion, christianity goes against, is prevalent.

So, can you see how your false teaching of compulsory monogamy causes not just in the society, but also in your church?

Kingsempires:
Omo so sending back their 3 out of 4 to their parents house is the best

MaxInDHouse:
NO, he must stop SLEEPING with them as he's now ready to live the life of a Christian so they are free to go if they want but he should continue footing their bills as he choose to do so it's SLEEPING with them that's prohibited in Christianity.

ichuka:
Where's it written in scripture as you so claim?

MaxInDHouse:
Where is it written that a follower of Christ has more than one wife?