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MaxInDHouse:
The language of the Middle East settlers have lots of words in common just as Salem and Salam both means peace but one is Hebrew the other is Arabic.

SIRTee15:
Finally U answered my question.
So U have admitted heavenly being can become humans.
So what's the noise about Jesus becoming a man?

As TenQ showed, even Jubril became a man when he appeared to Mary.

U can't function on earth as a spirit. U have to become a Man. That's the whole point of incarnation.

So AntiChristian logic he's trying to prove here is flawed by comparing characteristics of spirits to that of humans.

Ohyoudidnt:
What exactly are you saying?

Did you not say you will rather take up the confusion about the father, son and holy spirit allegedly being coequal? Is that not the trinity?

Ascertain that the Athanasian creed wasn't written in the 4th century.

SIRTee15:
The highlighted is based on what. based on a creed or the bible. Your definition of trinity is based on what? a creed?
I want to be sure u understand trinity b4 we debate.

Athanasian creed is not an early creed and the writer is unknown.

Athanasian creed is Latin document composed in the Western Church, the creed was unknown to the Eastern Church until the 12th century. Since the 17th century, scholars have generally agreed that the Athanasian Creed was not written by Athanasius (died 373) but was probably composed in southern France during the 5th to 6th century. Many authors have been suggested, but no definite conclusions have been reached. In 1940 the lost Excerpta of Vincent of Lérins (flourished 440) was discovered, and this work contains much of the language of the creed. Thus, either Vincent or an admirer of his has been considered the possible author.

The earliest known copy of the creed was included as a prefix to a collection of homilies by Caesarius of Arles (died 542). The creed’s influence seems to have been primarily in southern France and Spain in the 6th and 7th centuries.



With respect to the history of the origins of the Athanasian Creed, it is generally thought now that the creed was first written in the fifth century—though the seventh century is also given its due, since the creed does not show up in the annals of history until 633 at the fourth council of Toledo.It was written in Latin and not in Greek. If written in the fifth century, several possible authors have been mentioned because of the influence of their thought including Ambrose of Milan and Augustine of Hippo, but it likely was the French saint, Vincent of Lérins.

Ohyoudidnt:
No you are misunderstanding my answer. That the angels were not in their heavenly nature doesn't equate to them becoming human.

Angel Jibril never became a man but took the appearance of a man towards enabling communication.

Are you trying to claim there are records of angel Jibril eating or doing manly activities or worse?

AntiChristian:
We don't have heavenly beings in Islam! They are Angels. They can not become human! They can appear as human!
Jesus was born human by a human woman! Angels only appear as a human! They are not born!

Becoming a man is not the same as appearing as a man!

This is false! Prophet Muhammad saw Angel Gabriel in its true form by Allah's permission! And no human ever achieved this feat as far as i know!

You are the one who can't differentiate between "becoming a man" and "appearing as a man"!

Ohyoudidnt:
On what should the understanding of the trinity be based when it is not definitely stated in the Bible?

Ohyoudidnt:
No you are misunderstanding my answer. That the angels were not in their heavenly nature doesn't equate to them becoming human.

Angel Jibril never became a man but took the appearance of a man towards enabling communication.

Are you trying to claim there are records of angel Jibril eating or doing manly activities or worse?

AntiChristian:
We don't have heavenly beings in Islam! They are Angels. They can not become human! They can appear as human!
Jesus was born human by a human woman! Angels only appear as a human! They are not born!

Becoming a man is not the same as appearing as a man!

This is false! Prophet Muhammad saw Angel Gabriel in its true form by Allah's permission! And no human ever achieved this feat as far as i know!

You are the one who can't differentiate between "becoming a man" and "appearing as a man"!

SIRTee15:

BECOMING A MAN IS THE SAME THING AS APPEARING AS A MAN.
BOTH DEFINES INCARNATION.

IF I BECOME NICE, DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE CHANGED TO NICE? DOES THAT MEAN MY NATURE IS NOW NICE?

IF I APPEAR DIRTY, IS NOT THE AS I BECAME DIRTY.

IF I BECOME ANGRY, IS IT NOT THE SAME THING AS APPEARING ANGRY.

MY FRIEND JUBRIL BECAME A MAN WHEN HE APPEARED TO MARY.

TenQ, thanks for bringing up that Jubril angle. Muslims are trapped in their own game.

SIRTee15:
My friend, the appearance of a spiritual being as a man is called incarnation.

Incarnation mean to take upon the appearance of another nature/substance. It doesn't mean changing your nature.

Mary saw Jubril as man, spoke to her as a man.
Jubril visited Muhammed as a man, behaved as a man. Muhammed's wife Zainab saw Jubril and thought he was one of Muhammed's friend.
That's because Zainab saw man with human qualities

Incarnate doesn't mean change. Incarnate mean become....
The confusion here is equating change with become.

If I become angry. Does that mean I have changed to anger?
If I become dirty, does that mean I have changed to dirt.


Jubril became a Man, that's why he could function as a Man.

SIRTee15:

BECOMING A MAN IS THE SAME THING AS APPEARING AS A MAN.
BOTH DEFINES INCARNATION.

IF I BECOME NICE, DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE CHANGED TO NICE? DOES THAT MEAN MY NATURE IS NOW NICE?

IF I APPEAR DIRTY, IS NOT THE AS I BECAME DIRTY.

IF I BECOME ANGRY, IS IT NOT THE SAME THING AS APPEARING ANGRY.

MY FRIEND JUBRIL BECAME A MAN WHEN HE APPEARED TO MARY.


TenQ, thanks for bringing up that Jubril angle. Muslims are trapped in their own game.

TenQ:
If he appeared as a perfect man, did Mary see a perfect man or an angel?

Are angels physical beings?

AntiChristian:
Does Hebrew have the word "sabachthani"?
What is "abandon" or "forsake" in Hebrew?
Answer and stop the diversion!

SIRTee15:
When Mary saw Jubril. Did she see a Man or saw a spiritual being.

When Jubril visited Muhammed and Zainab thought he was his friend.
Did Jubril visit as a man or as a spiritual being.[quote]Almost all the case of the visitations Jubril appears as a man! Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam did saw Jubril in its real form two times!

[quote]When Jubril asked Muhammed to recite the koran in the presence of his companions, did he talked to Muhammed as a man or as a spiritual being.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what Wikipedia says:

Why did Jesus say, “Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani” that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Is "Eli, Eli, lema/lama sabachthani?" Hebrew or Aramaic? The general consensus is that it is Aramaic rather than Mishnaic Hebrew, though given how similar these can be, this is not universally agreed.

The reason why i strongly believe it can't be Aramaic is because most Jews in Jesus' day speaks Aramaic so whatever makes it difficult for them to understand what he said then it couldn't have been the same language they all speak back then so it must have been Hebrew that most Jews don't really understood fully!

AntiChristian:
Mary saw a perfect man and she was afraid the man may come close to her as she was in a secluded place!

Angels are usually physicals beings when on errands to humans!

Ohyoudidnt:
So lame. So if a boy dresses up as a girl in a dress with wig and make up so he appears as a girl he has become a girl?

TenQ:
Good,
Mary saw a perfect man.

But you did not answer the second question as I didnt ask you how angels usually appear when they run errands to humans.

The Question was:
Are angels Physical Beings?

SIRTee15:
Yes, if he appears like a girl, behaves like one and takes upon the physical identity of a girl. He has become a girl.
It's called social transitioning.

That doesn't mean his masculine nature has changed and that's doesn't mean he can't assume his full male identity.
Note I'm not taking of gender change here.


Now answer my question

What is the difference if I appear angry and when I become angry.
Tell me the difference.

AntiChristian:
That's false! A man can die. Can an Angel die when they become man?



The main difference between "become" and "appear" is that "become" means to start to be something, while "appear" means to come into view or seem to look a certain way.

You can become angry. That's means you transitioned from not being angry to being angry! But when you appear to be angry you may be truly angry or just faking it.

Ohyoudidnt:
So lame. So if a boy dresses up as a girl in a dress with wig and make up so he appears as a girl he has become a girl?

AntiChristian:
Thanks sir!

AntiChristian:
That's false! A man can die. Can an Angel die when they become man?



The main difference between "become" and "appear" is that "become" means to start to be something, while "appear" means to come into view or seem to look a certain way.

You can become angry. That's means you transitioned from not being angry to being angry! But when you appear to be angry you may be truly angry or just faking it.

Ohyoudidnt:
No you are misunderstanding my answer. That the angels were not in their heavenly nature doesn't equate to them becoming human.

Angel Jibril never became a man but took the appearance of a man towards enabling communication.

Are you trying to claim there are records of angel Jibril eating or doing manly activities or worse?

Ohyoudidnt:
I see that the cause of your confusion is really deep.

The way Jibril manifested did not change his fundamental nature as an angel. It was a temporal appearance to fulfil the passage of a message.

Angels can assume different forms for specific missions and still remain essentially angels.


You are trying but have feelings become physical manifestation? Please describe how anger looks

AntiChristian:
We don't have heavenly beings in Islam! They are Angels. They can not become human! They can appear as human!
Jesus was born human by a human woman! Angels only appear as a human! They are not born!

Becoming a man is not the same as appearing as a man!

This is false! Prophet Muhammad saw Angel Gabriel in its true form by Allah's permission! And no human ever achieved this feat as far as i know!

You are the one who can't differentiate between "becoming a man" and "appearing as a man"!

SIRTee15:
Are U ok? Did I mention Jubril changed his nature?
Where did I say Jubril changed his nature.
Pls if your English comprehension is poor, sort yourself out. Don't project that on me.

Incarnation doesn't mean change.
Change is substituting a substance for another. This is not incarnation.

I said Jubril became a man, I never said Jubril changed to a man

Appearance and become is the same thing within the context we talking about here.

When U take upon yourself another nature to appear as such. That's incarnation and U become the new nature.
That doesn't mean the original nature is gone...it's still intact.

If English hard, it's ok. But let me help U

Tell me the difference btw
I became angry and I appeared angry.

I want to know the difference.

AntiChristian:
That's false! A man can die. Can an Angel die when they become man?

AntiChristian:
The main difference between "become" and "appear" is that "become" means to start to be something, while "appear" means to come into view or seem to look a certain way.

You can become angry. That's means you transitioned from not being angry to being angry! But when you appear to be angry you may be truly angry or just faking it.

SIRTee15:
Yes, if he appears like a girl, behaves like one and takes upon the physical identity of a girl. He has become a girl.
It's called social transitioning.

That doesn't mean his masculine nature has changed and that's doesn't mean he can't assume his full male identity.
Note I'm not taking of gender change here.


Now answer my question

What is the difference if I appear angry and when I become angry.
Tell me the difference.

AntiChristian:
They are not!

Ohyoudidnt:
Social transitioning doesn't eliminate the reality or does it? Will the 'social girl' experience the real girls monthly cycle too?

TenQ:
Antichrists Antichristian: why do Muslims tell lies every time as if their life depend on it?

If Angels are NOT Heavenly beings, are you saying that All the stories of your Prophet when he ascended on the Al_Burak with Jibril to the first, secon d, third, fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh heaven are pure lies?

Angels must be earthly beings then! LOL!!

Secondly,
You said that Angels CANNOT become human!
Is it because of the powerlessness of Allah?

If Angels become appear as PERFECT Humans, do they have indistinguishable Human Flesh, Human Blood, Human Organs etc?