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TheGoodJoe:
You are filling it with assumptions and just making a simple point long.

From the NFF statements, there were lapses. It needs clarification so it should not happen again. Forget my bias. It is about the players' safety, not mine.

Why could we not support to convey the Libyans to Uyo?

You guys answer.

I am not condoning Libya in anyway. I have made that clear repeatedly. No action of ours justified what they did. So leave sympathy and defend.

Why could the NFF not support the Libyan team to Uyo? You guys answer.

TheGoodJoe:
Now we are getting somewhere. Was this communicated to the Libyans to make them understand that? That is why I am talking about lapses. Did we communicate our inability and did we try to look for an alternative? That is the simple point I have been driving.

If the NFF did not have money, did they have a contingency plan to seek help for them?

In our government circle it is said that government is team work.

TheSuperNerd:
TheGoodJoe was that someone. He was among the 3. It's funny you forgot.

TheGoodJoe:
You can make your point without being abusive.

What you're typing here has not addressed my point. That is why you are resorting to abuse.

I have been on this for so long. Even before all these started.

You see these guys. Boniface, Osimhen, Onyedika, Iwobi etc. I have deep genuine passionate love for them.

I not anyone else tagged the Libyan incident an attempted m*rder for a reason.

I am disgusted with their inhumanity.

However more concerned with our own lapses. The NFF acknowledged that they expected hitches at Libya and flew those boys into such a zone. With no diplomatic effort to quell the expected hitches.

TheGoodJoe:
Have you asked yourself why the NFF expected hitches?

Have you studied the reports and videos to see if there were really lapses?

No.

I did this because of my passion for the team. Unfortunately, the NFF details are always shrouded with secrecy.

Most of you abusing me have never suggested any analytical perspective to what happened in Libya. Just riding on media waves.

I am yet to understand your grievances. Why are you people so hurt because I can't see it.

TheGoodJoe:
THE NFF EXPECTED HITCHES, did not take any proactive step to quell the situation. No teaching out to the government of Libya that they were flying to the EXPECTED HITCHES. No communication with the ministry foreign affairs to enable some diplomatic solution.

But what concerns you is to abuse me.

Thank you. Look for better abuses.

TheGoodJoe:
Akwa Ibom State Government had already spent millions to host the Libyan team. The NFF were aware the Libyans were financially strapped. They did nothing but you don't feel there is a lapse in that.

Your problem is abusing me for feeling that we could do better and there were contingency measures we would have pulled to get them to the host State that was bearing the brunt of the costs.

You are angry that I suggested that at least the NFF, if they could not get support from Fed. Ministry of Sports, could have tried networking for support.

Your problem is to abuse.

Amedino99:
an outsider looking at his argument today would think he was accusing the nff of a legitimate fault but no!, his grouse with the nff is that they did not pay out of pocket for a plane for the Libyans to move from port Harcourt to uyo. It really makes me laugh anytime the Libya situation comes up.

TheGoodJoe:
Or find a way to get them there. They were stranded. Come on. Is it not Super Eagles we fly in and out for games? Do you know how many frivolous events States fly in dignitaries in and out of their State. Let alone a stranded National team that had a match with the Super Eagles.

Not only that. I have also pointed no proof of communication to quell any bad blood after the situation.

When our players were trapped in Libya, the Foreign affairs minister did not have a protocol response which should have been in place hence the NFF anticipated hitches.

Tessyy1701:
We were held HOSTAGE by some animals and the foreign affairs and everybody involved were swift.

Swift.

Say what you know.

TheGoodJoe:
@ TheSuperNerd

I think we found the chosen one for the future.

Let us see how Rodri's career after football will play out but I feel he is going to be The One.

TheSuperNerd:
This guy literally called C.Ronaldo "untalented" and that he lacked "natural talent" unlike Messi. Maybe it is one of those times where he spits rubbish but time will tell if he indeed becomes the one for City.

He could go on to become a fine coach but his talent judgment is now questionable.

TheSuperNerd:
This guy literally called C.Ronaldo "untalented" and that he lacked "natural talent" unlike Messi. Maybe it is one of those times where he spits rubbish but time will tell if he indeed becomes the one for City.

He could go on to become a fine coach but his talent judgment is now questionable.

TheGoodJoe:
What I am trying to illustrate is that Rodri feels and believes CR7 was an unnatural talented kid. He worked his way to becoming one of the extremely most talented players in the history of the game.

He is not saying CR7 is not insanely talented but it came from learning and hard work.

TheSuperNerd:
I like Rodri as a player but his opinion on Ronaldo is clear and it is rubbish.
Is Rodri as "talented" as any of the previous BALLON D'OR or FIFA award-winning midfielders?

Didn't Messi also work? Ronaldo himself in an interview said he will choose talent over hardwork because without the talent, you cannot succeed or have something to build on in the first place.

TheGoodJoe:
When you study Messi, you see natural ability. Messi does not need to work a tenth of CR7 to pull off insane football abilities.

On the other hand, CR7 had to be the most hardworking player in the history to get to the bar of Messi.

I think Rodri is very right on this one. He just said what everyone knows.

TheSuperNerd:
Ronaldo was a natural talent. Even the great Fergie saw that as much in one game before he pulled all the stops for Man Utd to sign him.

Alex Ferguson's eye >>>>>> Rodri's opinion

TheGoodJoe:
What I detailed happened in about a nine years period from 1991 to 2000. Coach Monday Sinclair approached me in 2000. When he saw me, you will see exceptional player. Back in 1993 period, a man told my mom that this one can't play ball.

So Fergie seeing an insane CR7 does not actually tell his progression.

CR7 is the most hardworking training player in the history of football and maybe sports. That tells the whole story.

TheSuperNerd:
Again, Alex Ferguson's eye >>>> Rodri's Opinion.

Ronaldo was already a natural talent. He only built on it insanely with hardwork.

Let Rodri focus on soaking up under Pep. We will see how his coaching career goes if he ever steps into that hot seat.

TheGoodJoe:
"We would also see him work relentlessly on his free kicks and he would tell us about something he had seen somewhere, and he wanted to perfect it, and he would work again relentlessly until he did... Nicky Butt, former CR7 teammate.

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Messi would not need to work relentlessly on the training pitch to become one of the most awesome free kick takers of all time.

That is the difference.

TheGoodJoe:
"We would also see him work relentlessly on his free kicks and he would tell us about something he had seen somewhere, and he wanted to perfect it, and he would work again relentlessly until he did... Nicky Butt, former CR7 teammate.

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Messi would not need to work relentlessly on the training pitch to become one of the most awesome free kick takers of all time.

That is the difference.

TheSuperNerd:
The point is Ronaldo already had natural talent he built on. Every talented player that eventually succeeded worked to get where they are but the intensity of their hardwork is what varies.

Amedino99:
If he didn't need to work relentlessly on it he would have had over a 100 freekicks by now. Messi didn't just become a freekick guru because of talent, he worked on it. Messi was never known to be a freekick master for the early part of his career yet all of a sudden he became good at it. Unless you are privy to his training sessions please let's keep our assumptions minimal.

TheGoodJoe:
I think Rodri was totally misunderstood. Rodri believes CR7 was not a naturally gifted kid. I understand that because same was for me. As a young kid, I used to even miskick the ball. I couldn't dribble or mark to save my life.

Then came Amunike. I used to study Amunike intently and tried to replicate the things he did. I used to spend long time on the field training alone.

Then came Celestine Babayaro. I learnt marking die hard from Celestine. I had personally recorded matches. I didn't miss Nigerian games to watch these guys on different periods.

They made me and I learnt so much. The icing was Overmars of Ajax. I learnt and practiced to become a good player. Still regret the offer of Coach Monday Sinclair to work with him today. He personally approached me and said he wants to groom me. I was more the school trajectory and turned down the offer.

So the "unnatural talented kid" became a guy that the person who groomed Finidi George and Richard Owobokiri gave a grooming offer to.

forgiveness:
It seems you don't know CR7 when he was in Sporting Lisbon. His talent was very obvious for all to see. The reason he was spotted by Manchester United and we also saw what he did there.

So, say CR7 was untalented was pure gibberish. Rodri must be sleeping when he said that.

CR7 was talented dude right from his young age. He only added discipline to be consistent at the top. The same way Messi was very disciplined.

forgiveness:
It seems you don't know CR7 when he was in Sporting Lisbon. His talent was very obvious for all to see. The reason he was spotted by Manchester United and we also saw what he did there.

So, say CR7 was untalented was pure gibberish. Rodri must be sleeping when he said that.

CR7 was talented dude right from his young age. He only added discipline to be consistent at the top. The same way Messi was very disciplined.

TheGoodJoe:
What I am trying to illustrate is that Rodri feels and believes CR7 was an unnatural talented kid. He worked his way to becoming one of the extremely most talented players in the history of the game.

He is not saying CR7 is not insanely talented but it came from learning and hard work.