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doffman:
It is self explanatory and straight to the point .

Read both verses I posted slowly , you will understand .

Understand what? You're posting Moses' laws on slavery from Old Testament. What does that have to do with Christians? Are Christians practicing Moses' laws?
Besides, while you're posting all these, are you aware Muhammad your prophet thinks you a black man is less than an Arab? Or have you never seen this hadith below

It was narrated that jabir said: "A slave came and pledged to the Prophet to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said: 'Sell him to me,' and he bought him for two black slaves. Then he did not accept the pledge from anyone until he asked: 'Is he a slave?"'

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4184

So you see here that Muhammad thinks you're less than Arab and one Arab is equal two of your kind at least.

Kukutente23:
Understand what? You're posting Moses' laws on slavery from Old Testament. What does that have to do with Christians? Are Christians practicing Moses' laws?
Besides, while you're posting all these, are you aware Muhammad your prophet thinks you a black man is less than an Arab? Or have you never seen this hadith below


So you see here that Muhammad thinks you're less than Arab and one Arab is equal two of your kind at least.

You think everyone is ignorant like you .

Jesus made it clear in Matthew 5:17 that he did not abolish the law when he said, “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.”

Do you know more than Jesus ?

You Christians follow devil .

If you truly follow Jesus , you will not be in church dancing 💃 like masquerade.

doffman:
You think everyone is ignorant like you .

Jesus made it clear in Matthew 5:17 that he did not abolish the law when he said, “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.”

Do you know more than Jesus ?

You Christians follow devil .

If you truly follow Jesus , you will not be in church dancing 💃 like masquerade.

How does dancing make one a follower of the devil?

You who practice pre-Islamic idolatrous practices such as circumbabulation, hijra and Ramadan fasting. All these were practices that the people of Mecca whom muhammad accused of idolatry used to carry out. Even the Kaaba and black stone were used in idolatrous worship.

So who is following devil now?

The verse you quoted says Jesus already fulfilled the law. So why do you require Christians to carry out laws that have already been fulfilled?

Kukutente23:
How does dancing make one a follower of the devil?

You who practice pre-Islamic idolatrous practices such as circumbabulation, hijra and Ramadan fasting. All these were practices that the people of Mecca whom muhammad accused of idolatry used to carry out. Even the Kaaba and black stone were used in idolatrous worship.

So who is following devil now?

The verse you quoted says Jesus already fulfilled the law. So why do you require Christians to carry out laws that have already been fulfilled?

Tell me where your Jesus dances in church or instruct you to do that ?

Hajj, Ramadan and all other mode of worshipping in Islam are well documented in Quran and Hadith and there is a clear instruction by God for us to do that as a mode of worshiping . It is glaring we have direction from God unlike you Christians who follow devil and pastors .

I am asking you show me where Jesus told you specifically that go to church every Sunday and clap and dance ?

doffman:
Tell me where your Jesus dances in church or instruct you to do that ?

Hajj, Ramadan and all other mode of worshipping in Islam are well documented in Quran and Hadith and there is a clear instruction by God for us to do that as a mode of worshiping . It is glaring we have direction from God unlike you Christians who follow devil and pastors .

I am asking you show me where Jesus told you specifically that go to church every Sunday and clap and dance ?

Jesus sang at the last supper as recorded in Matthew 17

26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

30And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

Also after his resurrection, the disciples sang and danced and worshiped him in the temple as written in Luke 24

48And ye are witnesses of these things. 49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but[b] tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.[/b]
50And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

Hajj, Ramadan and corcumbabulation already existed in pagan worship in Arabia before Islam yes or no?
Why did Allah tell Muhammad to face Mecca to pray instead of Jerusalem he used to face when pagans used to face Mecca as well in prayer to their gods? Was Allah not aware of this?
Where is the black stone mentioned in the Qur'an?
Can you explain how come Islam is carrying out idolatrous practices under the guise of Allah told us. Even Allah was an idol in Mecca before muhammad. Muhammad's father's name is Abdallah

Kukutente23

Jesus sang at the last supper as recorded in Matthew 17

Will you keep quite and stop lying , you think you are engaging an ignorant like your fellow christian you used to brainwashed just to collect their tithe

No any place in Matthew 17 that claimed Jesus sang .
Point it out and quote it

Also after his resurrection, the disciples sang and danced and worshiped him in the temple as written in Luke 24

Another lie as usual . No any singing or dancing there as well . Is this how you used to lie and brainwashed people ?

Hajj, Ramadan and corcumbabulation already existed in pagan worship in Arabia before Islam yes or no?
Why did Allah tell Muhammad to face Mecca to pray instead of Jerusalem he used to face when pagans used to face Mecca as well in prayer to their gods? Was Allah not aware of this?

You know you are ignorant . Read this :

For Hajj :

Surah Al-Baqarah Ayat 196-199, I quote :
"And complete the Hajj and 'umrah for Allah. But if you are prevented, then [offer] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter. And whoever among you is ill or has an ailment of the head [making shaving necessary must offer] a ransom of fasting [three days] or charity or sacrifice. And when you are secure, then whoever performs 'umrah [during the Hajj months] followed by Hajj [offers] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And whoever cannot find [or afford such an animal] - then a fast of three days during Hajj and of seven when you have returned [home]. Those are ten complete [days]. This is for those whose family is not in the area of al-Masjid al-Haram. And fear Allah and know that Allah is severe in penalty.

Another here :

" Then let them end their untidiness and fulfill their vows and perform Tawaf around the ancient House." Surah Al-Hajj Ayat 29




Where is the black stone mentioned in the Qur'an?

Jabir ibn `Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him) that when the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Makkah, he came to the[b] Black Stone [/b]and touched it, then he walked to the right of it and ran three times and walked four times [around the Ka`bah]. (Narrated by Muslim, 1218)

For fasting :

Read these :

Surah Baqarah Ayah 185. The month of Ramadhan [is that] in which was revealed the Qur’an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey – then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and [wants] for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful.

and this :

Surah Baqarah Ayah 184. [Fasting for] a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey [during them] – then an equal number of days [are to be made up]. And upon those who are able [to fast, but with hardship] – a ransom [as substitute] of feeding a poor person [each day]. And whoever volunteers excess – it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.



Can't you see a wonderful and clearly instructions outlined by GOD about the practice of muslims .


Unlike your religion without direction , devil and your pastors are your leader.


I repeat,

In your bible , quote a verse that clearly instruct you christian to go to church every sunday and clap, sing and dance like masquerade ?

Mightymanna:
You can't pray for her when passed away too.

Why pray for the dead? Your prayers, money, forgiveness, mercy etc is useless to the dead

doffman:
Will you keep quite and stop lying , you think you are engaging an ignorant like your fellow christian you used to brainwashed just to collect their tithe

No any place in Matthew 17 that claimed Jesus sang .
Point it out and quote it





Another lie as usual . No any singing or dancing there as well . Is this how you used to lie and brainwashed people ?




You know you are ignorant . Read this :


I repeat,

In your bible , quote a verse that clearly instruct you christian to go to church every sunday and clap, sing and dance like masquerade ?

What nonsense are you saying? Can't you see the scriptures I quoted? Go back and read abeg

What I asked was where black stone is mentioned in Quran you're quoting different hadiths.

As for all those your quotes about hajj and kaaba and other rites, it still doesn't remove the fact that they were already being practiced in Mecca before Islam.
It's just like a christian worshipping by the river like the Celestials and claiming it's in the Bible. The fact that remains that river worship is a pagan tradition.

Kukutente23:
What nonsense are you saying? Can't you see the scriptures I quoted? Go back and read abeg

What I asked was where black stone is mentioned in Quran you're quoting different hadiths.

As for all those your quotes about hajj and kaaba and other rites, it still doesn't remove the fact that they were already being practiced in Mecca before Islam.
It's just like a christian worshipping by the river like the Celestials and claiming it's in the Bible. The fact that remains that river worship is a pagan tradition.

I can see how rush you quickly edited it . 😀

I have read it , those verse never justified your singing , drumming , clapping dancing like masquerade you people do every Sunday . Read how the Quran explain in details with instruction .

Does the Jesus or God instructed you to sing , dance or clapping as a worship since you people seeing dancing every Sunday is an act of worship ?? This is common sense nah .

If you claimed Muslim go to hajj and worship idol, provide your prove by telling us what they are saying there and how their prayer there is about glorifying anything apart from the God .

doffman:
I can see how rush you quickly edited it . 😀

I have read it , those verse never justified your singing , drumming , clapping dancing like masquerade you people do every Sunday . Read how the Quran explain in details with instruction .

Does the Jesus or God instructed you to sing , dance or clapping as a worship since you people seeing dancing every Sunday is an act of worship ?? This is common sense nah .

If you claimed Muslim go to hajj and worship idol, provide your prove by telling us what they are saying there and how their prayer there is about glorifying anything apart from the God .

Edit what? Stop kidding yourself. I already showed you Jesus singing hymn and giving thanks. I showed you his disciples singing, dancing and praising after he ascended. So what else do you want?

If you want to see God giving instructions to sing, dance and clap, you'll go to Old Testament. It's right there.

The fact still remains that those pagan practices already existed in Mecca before Muhammad. So your Qur'an and Hadith verses was just validation of pagan practices.
Just imagine bible validating making sacrifice and putting it on the junction. Will you say it's a nice thing?

Kukutente23:
Edit what? Stop kidding yourself. I already showed you Jesus singing hymn and giving thanks. I showed you his disciples singing, dancing and praising after he ascended. So what else do you want?

If you want to see God giving instructions to sing, dance and clap, you'll go to Old Testament. It's right there.

The fact still remains that those pagan practices already existed in Mecca before Muhammad. So your Qur'an and Hadith verses was just validation of pagan practices.
Just imagine bible validating making sacrifice and putting it on the junction. Will you say it's a nice thing?

Ahaaaaa guy .

Read the Quran verses I quoted for you and compare to your reply , you will know that you are deceiving yourself . No any clearly instruction for you to be in church dancing from your Bible . Think nah.

Ok , let me ask you this way ,

How does the God instruct you to worship him ?

doffman:
Ahaaaaa guy .

Read the Quran verses I quoted for you and compare to your reply , you will know that you are deceiving yourself . No any clearly instruction for you to be in church dancing from your Bible . Think nah.

Ok , let me ask you this way ,

How does the God instruct you to worship him ?

God asks us to worship him In spirit and in truth.

That's because the ceremonial way with strict instructions have failed as seen in the relationship of the children of Israel with God.

What Muhammad your prophet did was to attempt to restore the Mosaic ceremonial worship which is what you're proudly pointing to.

Unfortunately, he ended up mixing pagan practices with it due to his bias. Muhammad is the only prophet who committed almost all sins known to man and got his God to accept his sins as allowed.

That's an anomaly. God does not have a different rule for people. He can overlook or forgive your sins but that does not change them from being sins. The worship of God must be different from pagan practices just as God told Moses to tell the children of Israel in Leviticus 18:3

According to the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their ordinances.

Muhammad flouted that commandment by incorporating pagan practices. It doesn't make sense that God will tell Moses to not copy pagan practices then allow his supposed last prophet to copy them.

Kukutente23

God asks us to worship him In spirit and in truth.

How ?

is it by going to church and singing or dancing, and beside give me a direct verse in your bible that support that .

for instance , for muslims , there is direct and clear instructions to pray 5 times in a day , fast during Ramadan , give zakat (alms) , going to hajj. there is clear evidence from quran and hadith.

it is glaring you are confuse about how to worship your God . Too glaring !

That's because the ceremonial way with strict instructions have failed as seen in the relationship of the children of Israel with God.

this is your own talk mr man.

What Muhammad your prophet did was to attempt to restore the Mosaic ceremonial worship which is what you're proudly pointing to.

That is your own ignorant thinking and we do not care at all

If you want us to take you serious , give us evidence from our quran how Muhammad (PBUH) did that .

Unfortunately, he ended up mixing pagan practices with it due to his bias. Muhammad is the only prophet who committed almost all sins known to man and got his God to accept his sins as allowed.

Sorry guy , i can feel your pain . your hatred toward him is useless because he has already blessed , it is you that will not end well. Ask all your previous people who always abused him , where are they now ? . Muhammad's name(pbuh) still remain the most famous man ever liveth.

That's an anomaly. God does not have a different rule for people. He can overlook or forgive your sins but that does not change them from being sins. The worship of God must be different from pagan practices just as God told Moses to tell the children of Israel in Leviticus 18:3

Moses worship only one God like muslims , it is you that worship three idols ( trinity )

According to the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their ordinances.

Rubbish as usual , how does this tell us how you worship God ?

Muhammad flouted that commandment by incorporating pagan practices. It doesn't make sense that God will tell Moses to not copy pagan practices then allow his supposed last prophet to copy them.

Guy , you will die of hypertension because you never stop mentioning Muhammad ( pbuh) in your post . You really envy this great man ever liveth . . You are frustrated already .



My question still stands , How do you worship your God as commanded to you in your bible ?. A simple question you are struggling to answer


A simple question that even a small boy in islam can answer if someone ask him about islam . !

Antlislaam:
Where is it written in Quran that you should pray five times in a day? Where is it written in Quran to go to mosque on Sunday morning for asalatu?

Good , you want to help your fellow ignorant who is struggling to answer simple question since yesterday 😀.

Let me start from Quran :

1. Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient. -- al-Baqara 2:238

2. And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember. -- Hud 11:114

Now , from Hadith :

Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half.

When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.'

I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundary) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."

You already know that Hadith and Quran are the two sources for Muslim and you cannot deny Hadith because, i used to see you several times quoting many Hadith and twisted them to your taste to justify your ignorant .


For Sunday Asalatu as you said , no evidence to support that and that is why good Muslim do not partake in that .


Now help your brother to answer my question :


😀

1. How do you worship God as instructed by your Bible ?

2. Give me evidence from your Bible that you should go to church and sing , clapping and dancing like masquerade especially on Sunday or any other specific day ?

As you can see , there is direct and clear instructions for both Quran and Hadith for Muslims , where is your own instruction ? That is why we say you are following devil and pastors .

doffman:
How ?

is it by going to church and singing or dancing, and beside give me a direct verse in your bible that support that .

for instance , for muslims , there is direct and clear instructions to pray 5 times in a day , fast during Ramadan , give zakat (alms) , going to hajj. there is clear evidence from quran and hadith.

it is glaring you are confuse about how to worship your God . Too glaring !

Read John 4: 21-24

21Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

This verse shows that worshipping God used to be ceremonial like you Muslims do.
But God established in Isaiah 1:12-15 that those ceremonial worships were not acceptable to him as their hearts were far away from Him and they were just observing the ceremony laws in passing like zombies. Read:

11“To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?”
Says the Lord.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle.
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
Or of lambs or goats.

12“When you come to appear before Me,
Who has required this from your hand,
To trample My courts?
13Bring no more futile sacrifices;
Incense is an abomination to Me.
The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
14Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
My soul hates;
They are a trouble to Me,
I am weary of bearing them.
15When you spread out your hands,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers,
I will not hear.
Your hands are full of blood.

The bolded in verse 15 accurately describes Muhammad. He had shed so much blood in a bid to spread his religion yet he established prayers and worship as if that can atone for the blood he shed. Thus, Jesus was sent by God to establish a worship to God from the heart of the believer under the guidance of the spirit of God. As for singing and dancing, here's David the king, singing and dancing before God in 2 Samuel 6:

14Then David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was wearing a linen ephod. 15So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting and with the sound of the trumpet

Again as I shared with you before, the disciples of Jesus sang, danced and praised God when he ascended into heaven. So the question is why Muhammad did not encourage you his followers to sing, dance and praise God when prophets before him did so and encouraged people to do so but instead he instituted the pagan practices of his tribe. It shows that islam is a political quest for tribal supremacy from Muhammad.

If you want us to take you serious , give us evidence from our quran how Muhammad (PBUH) did that .

Sorry guy , i can feel your pain . your hatred toward him is useless because he has already blessed , it is you that will not end well. Ask all your previous people who always abused him , where are they now ? . Muhammad's name(pbuh) still remain the most famous man ever liveth.

Moses worship only one God like muslims , it is you that worship three idols ( trinity )

Rubbish as usual , how does this tell us how you worship God ?

Guy , you will die of hypertension because you never stop mentioning Muhammad ( pbuh) in your post . You really envy this great man ever liveth . . You are frustrated already .

My question still stands , How do you worship your God as commanded to you in your bible ?. A simple question you are struggling to answer

A simple question that even a small boy in islam can answer if someone ask him about islam . !

The simple fact that you don't have the stone and the five times prayer in the Qur'an already shows what I'm saying. Even the hadith that established the five times a day prayers negates Islam. Islam is submission according to you guys but from the hadith, we see Muhammad arguing with Allah in the number of times to pray instead of accepting Allah’s will for fifty prayers. Then there's another hadith that contradicts all that where Allah was said to request just two prayers

Narrated 'Aisha:

the mother of believers: Allah enjoined the prayer when He enjoined it, it was two Rakat only (in every prayer) both when in residence or on journey. Then the prayers offered on journey remained the same, but (the Rakat of) the prayers for non-travellers were increased Volume 1, Book 8, Number 346

Antlislaam:
Where is it written in Quran that you should pray five times in a day? Where is it written in Quran to go to mosque on Sunday morning for asalatu?

Don't mind him. Even the prayers that's in the hadith, there are two hadiths that contradict themselves

doffman:
Good , you want to help your fellow ignorant who is struggling to answer simple question since yesterday 😀.

Let me start from Quran :

1. Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient. -- al-Baqara 2:238

2. And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember. -- Hud 11:114

Now , from Hadith :

Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half.

When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.'

I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundary) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."

You already know that Hadith and Quran are the two sources for Muslim and you cannot deny Hadith because, i used to see you several times quoting many Hadith and twisted them to your taste to justify your ignorant .


For Sunday Asalatu as you said , no evidence to support that and that is why good Muslim do not partake in that .


Now help your brother to answer my question :


😀

1. How do you worship God as instructed by your Bible ?

2. Give me evidence from your Bible that you should go to church and sing , clapping and dancing like masquerade especially on Sunday or any other specific day ?

As you can see , there is direct and clear instructions for both Quran and Hadith for Muslims , where is your own instruction ? That is why we say you are following devil and pastors .

Where is black stone mentioned in Quran
Why did your prophet adopt pagan practices of his tribe as worship and you say Christians are following devil and pastors. How can you worship God the same way pagans are following idols and you even copied it from them

Antlislaam:
So the verse says Christian shouldn't marry Muslim or vice versa? Borrow sense nah

At least racism and tribalism is not traced to us unlike in that Bible verse!

You are not even ashamed that your messenger was given a concubine abi? But if we said you messenger slept with many concubines na to be looking for the person for blasphemy against your pedophile warlord that was poisoned to death like a useless rat

Concubinage is okay at that time so there's nothing wrong in it. Even your Yahweh got 32 virgin girls in Numbers 31:40! The other thousands of virgin girls were shared among Yahweh warriors! Won't they be maids turned wife like Hagar, Bilhah and Zilpah of the Bible?

Your Imam go tell you if he go vigil bah? Make I no mention the name of the church, come and see your elehas attending a Shiloh service every Wednesday, come and see imam running for anointing oil. Ogbeni u better go sitdon somewhere, o mo nothing

Na your Pastor dey turn babalawo read the thread https://www.nairaland.com/7158807/why-resigned-job-pastor-winners!

As i told you liars before "my elehas" no dey mingle with you! Stop the lies! Anyone who believes he can be saved by Jesus is no more a Muslim even with a Muslim name or dressing!

Kukutente23

It is glaring you are confuse and you are typing nonsense . I will deal with your ignorance and expose you.

Read John 4: 21-24
This verse shows that worshipping God used to be ceremonial like you Muslims do.
But God established in Isaiah 1:12-15 that those ceremonial worships were not acceptable to him as their hearts were far away from Him and they were just observing the ceremony laws in passing like zombies. Read:

The bolded in verse 15 accurately describes Muhammad. He had shed so much blood in a bid to spread his religion yet he established prayers and worship as if that can atone for the blood he shed. Thus, Jesus was sent by God to establish a worship to God from the heart of the believer under the guidance of the spirit of God. As for singing and dancing, here's David the king, singing and dancing before God in 2 Samuel 6:

I asked you simple question that how do you worship your God , and you replied that you worship him in spirit and in truth ; and I asked again that HOW ?

I expected you to point to any quote of Jesus or your god that will describe it for you . Even herbalist worship in spirit .


Do you mean by dancing , clapping, or singing like parrot in church made you to worship in spirit


Because you have not provided any reference from your bible that demonstrated how you should worship in spirit . The fact still remain that your religion does not have direction and that is why any pastor is free to practice anyhow and direct their gullible follower to follow them .

if you says disciples dance or sing like you , that means you are following deciples and not jesus . Jesus did not demonstrated singing, clapping or dancing as a way to worship in spirit .

Jesus has already showed you how to pray by prostrating and not by singing or dancing . Other prophets also pray by prostrating.

For muslims , it is clearly stated and the prophets even prayed which also serve as demonstration .

Show me where Jesus worship in spirit like the way you people do in church . We only see where Jesus pray and we even see where he prostrated like muslims do . Where does jesus go to church every sunday or any specific day and dance , sing like parrot

Again as I shared with you before, the disciples of Jesus sang, danced and praised God when he ascended into heaven.

are you following disciples or Jesus ?

If you follow Jesus , you will never be in church or worshiping cross and trinity .

So the question is why Muhammad did not encourage you his followers to sing, dance and praise God when prophets before him did so and encouraged people to do so but instead he instituted the pagan practices of his tribe. It shows that islam is a political quest for tribal supremacy from Muhammad.

Muhammad (pbuh) never encouraged us to dance or sing as a mode of worship , He demonstrated to us how the prayer is done as mandated by the God by both 5 daily obligatory prayer and voluntary prayer . if you see any muslims that dances and drumming like you christians , you are the same thing.

The simple fact that you don't have the stone and the five times prayer in the Qur'an already shows what I'm saying. Even the hadith that established the five times a day prayers negates Islam. Islam is submission according to you guys but from the hadith, we see Muhammad arguing with Allah in the number of times to pray instead of accepting Allah’s will for fifty prayers. Then there's another hadith that contradicts all that where Allah was said to request just two prayers

I already showed you the hadith about the stone , You already know that muslims have Hadith and Quran as the only valid source .

If the stone is not in quran , it is in Hadith , what is your own problem with that ?

After all, you used to quote and twist a narration from muslim hadith .


My question still stands : how do you worship God as mandated from your bible and show us the evidence from your bible to justify it ?

simple question you can never answer

Kukutente23

Where is black stone mentioned in Quran

black stone was mentioned in the hadith which is the second source for muslims. What is your problem with that ?

Where does sunday worshipping existed in your bible with dancing , clapping and singing like parrot ?

Why did your prophet adopt pagan practices of his tribe as worship and you say Christians are following devil and pastors. How can you worship God the same way pagans are following idols and you even copied it from them

Our prophet did not adopt idol worshipping , he rather disputed it and preach the oneness of God and even taught us how to worship and pray to God . No confusion , it is a straight evidence from Quran and hadith.

It is you that look confused , you do not even know how to worship your God .

doffman:
Kukutente23

It is glaring you are confuse and you are typing nonsense . I will deal with your ignorance and expose you.



I asked you simple question that how do you worship your God , and you replied that you worship him in spirit and in truth ; and I asked again that HOW ?

I expected you to point to any quote of Jesus or your god that will describe it for you . Even herbalist worship in spirit .


Do you mean by dancing , clapping, or singing like parrot in church made you to worship in spirit


Because you have not provided any reference from your bible that demonstrated how you should worship in spirit . The fact still remain that your religion does not have direction and that is why any pastor is free to practice anyhow and direct their gullible follower to follow them .

if you says disciples dance or sing like you , that means you are following deciples and not jesus . Jesus did not demonstrated singing, clapping or dancing as a way to worship in spirit .

Jesus has already showed you how to pray by prostrating and not by singing or dancing . Other prophets also pray by prostrating.

For muslims , it is clearly stated and the prophets even prayed which also serve as demonstration .

Show me where Jesus worship in spirit like the way you people do in church . We only see where Jesus pray and we even see where he prostrated like muslims do . Where does jesus go to church every sunday or any specific day and dance , sing like parrot





are you following disciples or Jesus ?

If you follow Jesus , you will never be in church or worshiping cross and trinity .





Muhammad (pbuh) never encouraged us to dance or sing as a mode of worship , He demonstrated to us how the prayer is done as mandated by the God by both 5 daily obligatory prayer and voluntary prayer . if you see any muslims that dances and drumming like you christians , you are the same thing.




I already showed you the hadith about the stone , You already know that muslims have Hadith and Quran as the only valid source .

If the stone is not in quran , it is in Hadith , what is your own problem with that ?

After all, you used to quote and twist a narration from muslim hadith .


My question still stands : how do you worship God as mandated from your bible and show us the evidence from your bible to justify it ?

simple question you can never answer

Seems you were blind when I quoted Matt 17: 26-30 where Jesus gave thanks and sang hymns.

You claim Jesus prostrated to pray. Did he prostrate when he was teaching his disciples to pray in Matthew 6: 9. Is David that praised and danced no longer a prophet? Are Jesus's disciples not mentioned in Quran as well? So was Muhammad also following Jesus's disciples since he mentioned them in the Qur'an?

I showed you that Jesus said we should worship God in spirit and in truth. You're still asking how? So if you don't know how, that means you agree that yourMuhammad never worshipped God in spirit and in truth. It seems you don't know that disciples means followers. The disciples did things as Jesus does it.

So since I've shown you where Jesus sang hymn and gave thanks and prayed Lord's prayer while standing I hope you'll now go and start doing those forms of worship and not hitting your head on the floor in sujud.

That said, I showed you that the hadiths contradict themselves when it comes to prayer in Islam. One hadith narrated by Aisha says pray twice and the other was where Muhammad was arguing with Allah which contradicts the given meaning of Islam. So which one are you following and why?

Kukutente23

Seems you were blind when I quoted Matt 17: 26-30 where Jesus gave thanks and sang hymns.

my question is, show me where Jesus or God instructed you people to sing , dance or clapping as a mode of worshiping .

Since you are goin to church to sing , dance and clap every sunday , show us the evidence that Jesus instructed you to do that as a worship .

as a worship mean you are mandated to do it as your God.

for you to understand, for the muslims , God said it in clear terms without ambiguity that :

1. Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient. -- al-Baqara 2:238

2. And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember. -- Hud 11:114

And hadith also explained it in details , And this is what Muslims have been doing; no any addition and no any subtraction .


Another example is this .

All muslims in Africa or any other continent pray the same 5 daily prayers , no addition and no subtraction .

They did that, because they were instructed to do that and they are doing that .

You that used to dance , sing , clap in church everyday as mode of worship , does Jesus told you that you should do that in Matt 17: 26-30 ?

This is very simple and you fail to answer it .

you can never find answer to it because jesus or God did not say dancing , singing or clapping is the mode of worship you must be doing .

You claim Jesus prostrated to pray.

You yourself know that Jesus pray in prostration , no argument about that . Do you want proof ?

Did he prostrate when he was teaching his disciples to pray in Matthew 6: 9.

You just nailed yourself with Matthew 6: 9 . Does Jesus teach his disciples to pray by singing, dancing or clapping in the verse ?

Is David that praised and danced no longer a prophet?

Since you claimed David danced like you do , when will you like to be like david who also married more than one wives ?

since you followed him since he danced, while not following him and marry more than one wife as well

Are Jesus's disciples not mentioned in Quran as well? So was Muhammad also following Jesus's disciples since he mentioned them in the Qur'an?

The truths is that many narration of your said jesus disciples in your current bible are lies with many full of contradiction. You yourself know that your bible contains many contradictions, If you need proof , ask , I can show you .

I showed you that Jesus said we should worship God in spirit and in truth. You're still asking how?

Yes , You need to explain, because Jesus can never bring half truth , It is either you lied. or you mis understood Jesus

So since I've shown you where Jesus sang hymn and gave thanks and prayed Lord's prayer while standing I hope you'll now go and start doing those forms of worship and not hitting your head on the floor in sujud.

Since you said Jesus sang hymn and gave thanks and prayed Lord's prayer , then , why you people are also hidding or not pray the same way Jesus pray in prostration like muslim . You even labeled Muslim head slammer while Jesus is also puting his face on ground .
Jesus even prayed in prostration in more than one places : (Matthew 26:39, cf. Mark 14:35).

and not hitting your head on the floor in sujud

So Jesus is also hitting his head on the floor . (Matthew 26:39, cf. Mark 14:35). That is why we say you christian do not follow Jesus but devils and pastors.

That said, I showed you that the hadiths contradict themselves when it comes to prayer in Islam. One hadith narrated by Aisha says pray twice and the other was where Muhammad was arguing with Allah which contradicts the given meaning of Islam. So which one are you following and why?

You know you are ignorant to know that prayers in Islam are two types , Obligatory one and voluntary one.

Obligatory prayers are 5 daily prayers and this is what every muslim across the world pray , No addition and no subtraction.

Voluntary prayers can be done anytime both day and night . This is special reward for dedicated muslims .


I am asking you , How does Aisha hadith contradicted the obligatory prayers ?



My question still stand : How do you worship your God as demonstrated By God or Jesus .

doffman
You asked how Jesus said we should worship God. I replied that in spirit and in truth.
You asked again how in spirit and in truth which means in Islam you worship your God carnally and lies since you don't accept that it's important to worship God in spirit and in truth. Still, I answered you that by singing, praying and giving thanks and I showed you from the bible where Jesus, David and his disciples did so. You now still ask that I should show you where Jesus said we should be worshipping as he worshipped as if you in islam are not asked to do what Muhammad did even if he did not ask you to do it. I'm sure the next one you'll ask is where Jesus mentioned my name particularly. Anyways this is the bible verse where Jesus goes to church (synagogue) every sunday. Luke 4:

16So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

Also this is where he told us to do all the things he has commanded and showed and taught us which includes how to worship God. John 14:

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

So as you can see from above. Jesus already commanded us to worship on sabbath as his is custom and even do more.

It is a testament to the lies in Islam that you want to claim Jesus's prayer in gethsemane as Jesus doing sujud. Jesus never did sujud. He prostrated like anyone overwhelmed will do in such situation. We all know that there's a routine to sujud. Jesus, David not anyone in the bible ever did such routine and that's why they also sang and danced and lifted their eyes towards heaven in their worship. So stop telling lies that Jesus prostrated in sujud. Except you mean anyone who prostrates to his God is doing sujud which means babalawo is also doing sujud to his orissa or Indian is doing sujud to Buddha.

If you claim that the narrations of the disciples are lies, you have to bring your own truth. Your quran claims there is Torah, gospel and Psalms but your prophet couldn't tell you where they are and what they contain but somehow you his blind followers know the fake from the real. Is that not deceit?
This is Aisha's narration which I gave you before but you ignored. You can see the difference between that and the other one where Allah and Muhammad were bargaining. I'll be waiting for your explanation.

Narrated 'Aisha:

the mother of believers: [b]Allah enjoined the prayer when He enjoined it, it was two Rakat only (in every prayer) both when in residence or on journey. [/b]Then the prayers offered on journey remained the same, but (the Rakat of) the prayers for non-travellers were increased Volume 1, Book 8, Number 346

Kukutente23

You asked how Jesus said we should worship God. I replied that in spirit and in truth.
You asked again how in spirit and in truth which means in Islam you worship your God carnally and lies since you don't accept that it's important to worship God in spirit and in truth. Still, I answered you that by singing, praying and giving thanks

let me remind you .

You provided Matt 17: 26-30 where Jesus gave thanks and sang hymns. and I asked you no any evidence from the verse that instructed you to that as a mode of worship . I am still waiting for where Jesus instructed you to do that.

If truly jesus told you to worship in spirit , he will surely explain it and even demonstrated it because he cannot bring half truth. It is you and your pastors that twist it and modify it to your suit.

and I showed you from the bible where Jesus, David and his disciples did so.

Stop lying , did they dance , clapped or sing a melodies the way you did in church . At least, muslims pray same way like the prophet, why not you christian also prays same way like Jesus did . you can never because you follow pastors or devil.

You now still ask that I should show you where Jesus said we should be worshipping as he worshipped as if you in islam are not asked to do what Muhammad did even if he did not ask you to do it. I'm sure the next one you'll ask is where Jesus mentioned my name particularly.

you will explain tire oooo. you must explain what you claimed.

Anyways this is the bible verse where Jesus goes to church (synagogue) every sunday. Luke 4:

In the luke 4, jesus went to synagogue to worship right ?

Tell us in that luke 4 , where in the verse does he worship by singing, dancing or clapping or ask people to sing or dance as you people do ?

according to jews , sabbath day is saturday and you supposed to know that the synagogue you mentioned in Luke 4 is a place where Jesus used to perform miracle to convince people that he is truly a prophet , how does that justify your weekly sunday service where you dances like masquerade and sing like parrot.

Also this is where he told us to do all the things he has commanded and showed and taught us which includes how to worship God. John 14:

That is why I keep asking you where does Jesus command you to worship in the church by dancing, clapping and singing as you do every sunday .

The synagogue you quoted, Jesus did not instructed you there.

So as you can see from above. Jesus already commanded us to worship on sabbath as his is custom and even do more.

Stop lying , Jesus did not instruct you to do that , he did not ask you to go to synagogue to sing, dance , or clap.
Paste the whole verse here for everyone to see it . I have read it over and over. You are a liar like your pastors.

It is a testament to the lies in Islam that you want to claim Jesus's prayer in gethsemane as Jesus doing sujud. Jesus never did sujud. He prostrated like anyone overwhelmed will do in such situation.

So jesus face on the ground is prostration and not sujud ?

Muslim do prostration and sujud during prayer . If you said it is prostration , why cant you prostrate as well instead of dancing like masqurade or singing like parrot

We all know that there's a routine to sujud. Jesus, David not anyone in the bible ever did such routine and that's why they also sang and danced and lifted their eyes towards heaven in their worship. So stop telling lies that Jesus prostrated in sujud. Except you mean anyone who prostrates to his God is doing sujud which means babalawo is also doing sujud to his orissa or Indian is doing sujud to Buddha.

you can lie more than devil

oya read how jesus did it :

"Then Jesus is also presented as prostrating as “he went a little further and fell on his face,and prayed ” (Matthew 26:39, cf. Mark 14:35)

muslim used to fell on their faces while praying and Jesus did that as well .

While you pray by singing , clapping and dancing like masquerade . it is glaring you are not following Jesus but devil .

If you claim that the narrations of the disciples are lies, you have to bring your own truth.

here you go :

1. I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18



2. “… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19 ---- here your god could not drive out the inhabitants

3. “Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26

Do you need more

This is Aisha's narration which I gave you before but you ignored. You can see the difference between that and the other one where Allah and Muhammad were bargaining. I'll be waiting for your explanation.

You know , you are ignorant and you always think we muslims are ignorant like you christian.

let me teach you and quote the whole hadith.

"Narrated 'Aisha: the mother of believers: Allah enjoined the prayer when He enjoined it, it was two rak'at only (in every prayer) both when in residence or on journey. Then the prayers offered on journey remained the same, but (the rak'at of) the prayers for non-travelers were increased."


let me now come down the level your sense can pick it : You know , when you are on journey Our God and your God relieve us to reduce the prayers lenths .for example, a prayer of of 4 rakats (standing and prostration ) , you can pray 2 instead .

Therfore, hadith is about the requirements of prayer for both travellers and non-travellers. And according to this hadith, Allah has commanded that when travelling, prayers should consist of two rak'ats only. However, if one is not travelling then they must pray more than two rak'ats in each prayer.

Do you understand now .



Now back to my question , show us where God or Jesus commanded you to go to church every sunday and sing, clap and dance like masquerade

doffman
If you don't agree with John 14:12 where Jesus said we will do the works he did and greater one, then you will have to explain why that verse does not mean we are to pray, dance and worship like Jesus did. If you're now saying when Jesus was worshipping, he did not worship in spirit and in truth because he did not describe his form of worship as in spirit and in truth, then you will tell me what Jesus was worshiping as. Jesus is not an hypocrite. He is the example for Christians to follow.

I already showed you Jesus singing, David singing and dancing and his disciples too. Why is it paining you and why do you insist they did not do it as Christians are doing? Christians are not zombies who are led blindly. The Bible says where the spirit of the lord is, there is liberty 2Corinthians 3:17. So we sing, dance, clap and praise like Jesus, David his disciples etc did. That it pains you cannot change that fact.

Sabbath day is the day of rest or the Lord's day in Jewish culture. It falls on Saturday and Christians chose Sunday since that's the day Jesus resurrected. That is the meaning of doing greater works than Jesus as he told us in John 14:12. Sunday is our day of rest and Lord's day just as sabbath was the day for Jews. Christian means christlike so we are doing as Christ did and I'm showing you from the bible. Your silly claim of Jesus did not tell us to do it is dumb. It makes no sense. We are followers of Jesus so we do what he did.

Jesus never did sujud. Show me from your quran where Jesus did sujud. At least Jesus is mentioned in your quran. If you claim that you have sujud in islam because all the prophets did it, then why don't you have dancing like David? Why don't you have lifting up your eyes to pray like Jesus? Why don't you have talking to God like Abraham and Moses? If you're picking only what Muhammad did then your religion is not complete because Muhammad committed murder and even told you his followers to continue fighting from the Qur'an verse below. So if you're not fighting, you're a fake Muslim

Fighting has been made obligatory upon you ˹believers˺, though you dislike it. Perhaps you dislike something which is good for you and like something which is bad for you. Allah knows and you do not know. 2: 216

Here is Jesus also lifting up his eyes to heaven to pray
John 11: 41

41Then they took away the stone [d]from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.

Why don't you also recite the Lord's prayer given by Jesus since you now claim that he did sujud is why you're doing sujud. All this picking and choosing just shows that you know your religion is fake.

And to show the kind of liar Islamists are, Gen 32:30 is Jacob saying he saw God face to face. Meanwhile, here is the full of John 1:18 which you removed:

18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

So how are they contradicting? Jacob thought he saw God while John 1:18 is telling us it was not God that Jacob saw but His Son.

Also, this is Judges 1:19 that you twisted shamefully

19So the Lord was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron.

You changed "they" to "He". Na wa o. Why lie

And as for the verse about Jesus saying no one can be his disciple without hating his family, he was pointing to the need to have him as the supreme love in the life of a believer just as you Islamists always claim you love Muhammad more than your family or dont you say so?
This is Jesus speaking about honouring and taking care of one's parents in Matthew 15

4For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.

You lied!! The hadith from Aisha says the prayers were two and then Allah changed his mind and increased it. Meanwhile the one where Muhammad was arguing with Allah had the prayers reduced from fifty to five.
The one from Aisha did not say how many it was increased to and why it was increased. So which one are we going with? The reduction or the increase? And how many is it Las Las?

I've already shown you countless times where Jesus asked us to go to church, sing and dance. Go back and read Matthew 17, John 14 and Luke 4. Stop deceiving yourself. You don't have a point.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 349:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al Munkadir:

I saw Jabir bin 'Abdullah praying in a single garment and he said that he had seen the Prophet praying in a single garment.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 350:
Narrated 'Umar bin Abi Salama:

The Prophet prayed in one garment and crossed its ends.
Doffman
If you have ever prayed in more than one garment and not tied your garment at both ends when praying then you're a fake Muslim

Kukutente23:
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 349:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al Munkadir:

I saw Jabir bin 'Abdullah praying in a single garment and he said that he had seen the Prophet praying in a single garment.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 350:
Narrated 'Umar bin Abi Salama:

The Prophet prayed in one garment and crossed its ends.
Doffman
If you have ever prayed in more than one garment and not tied your garment at both ends when praying then you're a fake Muslim

Guy , are you sure you are normal 😀.

Do you want to pray in naked ni !

What is your problem with that .

Do you want me to start digging out sone funny senario from Bible right ? You will run away ooo.

Which church are you goinf first so that I can know how to descend on you heavily .

tell me your church and i will describe something for you .

doffman:
Guy , are you sure you are normal 😀.

Do you want to pray in naked ni !

What is your problem with that .

Do you want me to start digging out sone funny senario from Bible right ? You will run away ooo.

Which church are you goinf first so that I can know how to descend on you heavily .

tell me your church and i will describe something for you .

You tell me whether you're Sunni or Shiite first let me show you something.
The question is if you've ever prayed with more than one garment or don't you know what garment is?
Some of you will wear shirt and trousers to pray
Muslim bankers will wear suit to pray
Yoruba Muslim will wear their agbada to pray
Fake Muslims everywhere!!

Kukutente23

If you don't agree with John 14:12 where Jesus said we will do the works he did and greater one, then you will have to explain why that verse does not mean we are to pray, dance and worship like Jesus did.

Guy , why are you so daft like this nah ? . You claimed jesus instructed you to dance, sing, and clapping every sunday and I ask you to show me where jesus said that . and up till the moment , you keep refuse to show me oo.

How does Jesus instructed you to dance, sing, and clap every sunday [/b]in John 14:12 . you claimed it and you must defend yourself or else I will never leave you . Mark my word.

If you're now saying when Jesus was worshipping, he did not worship in spirit and in truth because he did not describe his form of worship as in spirit and in truth, then you will tell me what Jesus was worshiping as. Jesus is not an hypocrite. He is the example for Christians to follow.

Rubish as usual . I asked you again, did the Jesus ask you to worship in spirit , If yes as you claimed , [b]where and how ?? and you must not run away because I am enjoying the way I am exposing you in public forum . I get your time fully well.

I already showed you Jesus singing, David singing and dancing and his disciples too. Why is it paining you and why do you insist they did not do it as Christians are doing? Christians are not zombies who are led blindly. The Bible says where the spirit of the lord is, there is liberty 2Corinthians 3:17. So we sing, dance, clap and praise like Jesus, David his disciples etc did. That it pains you cannot change that fact.

lie again as usual , Jesus even danced , can you show us where he danced and clapping . Even that hyme you claimed , jesus did not said it , it was your lying apostle that said it . how comes , we did not see it in several area sang hyme.

Sabbath day is the day of rest or the Lord's day in Jewish culture. It falls on Saturday

Correct that you know Sabbath is not your Sunday . You are coming back to you senses little by little

and Christians chose Sunday since that's the day Jesus resurrected.

That is why we say christian was not from God , some people like your pastor formed it and formulate the ethics and practice .

So you people chose Sunday and not God chose it for you and the worst part is that does the God command you to worship by clapping , singing or dancing on either Saturday or Sunday .

That is the meaning of doing greater works than Jesus as he told us in John 14:12. Sunday is our day of rest and Lord's day just as sabbath was the day for Jews. Christian means christlike so we are doing as Christ did and I'm showing you from the bible. Your silly claim of Jesus did not tell us to do it is dumb. It makes no sense. We are followers of Jesus so we do what he did.

See this funny dude , If you truly follow Jesus , you will never be in church dancing like masquerade in church because he did not ask you to do that .

Jesus never did sujud. Show me from your quran where Jesus did sujud. At least Jesus is mentioned in your quran. If you claim that you have sujud in islam because all the prophets did it, then why don't you have dancing like David? Why don't you have lifting up your eyes to pray like Jesus? Why don't you have talking to God like Abraham and Moses? If you're picking only what Muhammad did then your religion is not complete because Muhammad committed murder and even told you his followers to continue fighting from the Qur'an verse below. So if you're not fighting, you're a fake Muslim

you are now becoming worst to type rubbish more , You did not believe in quran that is why I always expose you with your own bible in your hand.

Here you go :

1. Quran 19:31] (Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live.

Jesus was not alone to pray solat , other prophets did as well : [Quran 21:72-73] And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac [/b]and [b]Jacob [/b]as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE [b]OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.

And you can even see how wonderful quran describe how they offer sollat , read here : [Quran 2:43] (O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT charity; you shall bow down with those who bow.


As i said , Muslim were instructed to pray and the explanation on how how the prayer is done is explained both in Hadith as well.

This is what you fail to provide since yesterday from your bible

Here is Jesus also lifting up his eyes to heaven to pray
John 11: 41

Enter mosque nearest to your house and see how muslim pray , you will understand

Why don't you also recite the Lord's prayer given by Jesus since you now claim that he did sujud is why you're doing sujud. All this picking and choosing just shows that you know your religion is fake.

fitstly , Jesus does not tell anyone to pray by singing , clapping or dancing , bring your proof mr man , We only see him praying in prostration in more than one place and finally .

And to show the kind of liar Islamists are, Gen 32:30 is Jacob saying he saw God face to face. Meanwhile, here is the full of John 1:18 which you removed:

Read what i posted again and you will understand .

So how are they contradicting? Jacob thought he saw God while John 1:18 is telling us it was not God that Jacob saw but His Son.

Then why did your jacob lied in the first place and how true can we trust John as well.

Also, this is Judges 1:19 that you twisted shamefully
You changed "they" to "He". Na wa o. Why lie

Judges 19 : And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

Are you normal , your bible said your god is with Judah and the judah ould not drive out the inhabitants of the valley.

If the true God is with someone , everything is possible . Try again

And as for the verse about Jesus saying no one can be his disciple without hating his family, he was pointing to the need to have him as the supreme love in the life of a believer just as you Islamists always claim you love Muhammad more than your family or dont you say so?
This is Jesus speaking about honouring and taking care of one's parents in Matthew 15

you are out of point . Rubish as usual

You lied!! The hadith from Aisha says the prayers were two and then Allah changed his mind and increased it. Meanwhile the one where Muhammad was arguing with Allah had the prayers reduced from fifty to five.

ahaa . You are confused already .

see the hadith again : "Narrated 'Aisha: the mother of believers: Allah enjoined the prayer when He enjoined it, it was two rak'at only (in every prayer) both when in residence or on journey. Then the prayers offered on journey remained the same, but (the rak'at of) the prayers for non-travelers were increased."

from the hadith, where does Muhammad was arguing with Allah had the prayers reduced from fifty to five as you claimed explain

The one from Aisha did not say how many it was increased to and why it was increased. So which one are we going with? The reduction or the increase? And how many is it Las Las?

you are ignorant ;
read : Narrated Ibn Abbas :

The Prophet once stayed for nineteen days and prayed shortened prayers. So when we travel led (and stayed) for nineteen days, we used to shorten the prayer but if we travelled (and stayed) for a longer period we used to offer the full prayer. (Volume 2, Book 20, Number 186)

and read this as well : I heard Anas saying, "We travelled with the Prophet from Medina to Mecca and offered two Rakat (for every prayer) till we returned to Medina." I said, "Did you stay for a while in Mecca?" He replied, "We stayed in Mecca for ten days." (Volume 2, Book 20, Number 187)

I've already shown you countless times where Jesus asked us to go to church, sing and dance. Go back and read Matthew 17, John 14 and Luke 4. Stop deceiving yourself. You don't have a point.

ahahaaa , oya paste it here and let everyone see it and highlight where jesus or God said go to church every sunday and worship by dancing , clapping and sing like parrot

I challenge you again

Kukutente23:
You tell me whether you're Sunni or Shiite first let me show you something.
The question is if you've ever prayed with more than one garment or don't you know what garment is?
Some of you will wear shirt and trousers to pray
Muslim bankers will wear suit to pray
Yoruba Muslim will wear their agbada to pray
Fake Muslims everywhere!!

tell me where we should not wear garment in prayer , you claimed it and the notion is on you to bring your proof .

Ask Deeper life, Cherubu and different other church how they dress. and particularly describe how jesus used to dress and compare it with your pastors with tied on the neck

doffman:
tell me where we should not wear garment in prayer , you claimed it and the notion is on you to bring your proof .

Ask Deeper life, Cherubu and different other church how they dress. and particularly describe how jesus used to dress and compare it with your pastors with tied on the neck

Shut up you lying liar
Muhammad said you're to wear only one garment to pray. Is English so hard for you? If you've ever worn more than one garment to pray, you're a fake Muslim and a kafr

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 346:Volume 1, Book 8, Number 349:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al Munkadir:

I saw Jabir bin 'Abdullah praying in a single garment and he said that he had seen the Prophet praying in a single garment.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 350:
Narrated 'Umar bin Abi Salama:

The Prophet prayed in one garment and crossed its ends.