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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:14pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
No one is saying CR7 is not talented but it did not come naturally. He had to work hard and train to build the talent.
You are a bloody liar. Go and watch CR7 at sporting Lisbon become Ferguson bought him by all means.

Like Messi didn't work hard. Dey lie.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:22pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
His feelings was wrong. He never watched talented CR7 at 17 years old boy. Everyone knew from then he would become world class player.

You and Rodri opinion are those of Barcelona and Pepsi fans. We know they don't like him.

I am more a CR7 fan than Messi. I am even a bit detached from Messi.

Rodri's point is simple. Messi's talent is more natural and CR7 is learnt.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:22pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
Learning football as kid is long before the time you are talking about. At the time Ferguson spotted CR7 at Lisbon, he has finished the development I am talking about.

I used myself as an example. The main growth happened from 10 years to 16 years. By 16 years I was a player. By 10, I could not play ball. Ferguson found CR7 after this period. So it does not counter my point.
You must be joking. You mean CR7 finished developing at 17 years old before joining Manu.

So, Messi didn't grow or develop from 6 years old, abi? grin

Don't deceive yourself. If you don't have talent you don't have though you might improve but never world class.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:24pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:

I am more a CR7 fan than Messi. I am even a bit detached from Messi.

Rodri's point is simple. Messi's talent is more natural and CR7 is learnt.
Prove Messi talent is natural while Ronaldo was learnt.

That post below proves nothing. Messi no dey gym? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:26pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:

I am more a CR7 fan than Messi. I am even a bit detached from Messi.

Rodri's point is simple. Messi's talent is more natural and CR7 is learnt.
Read waht you posted. "What doesn't come to him (Messi), he learnt." Messi even learnt how to score free kick. Kkkkkkk grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:26pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
You are a bloody liar. Go and watch CR7 at sporting Lisbon become Ferguson bought him by all means.

Like Messi didn't work hard. Dey lie.
Comprehend before calling someone a liar.

When we talk of natural talent, it can be told before 17 years. I was a blooded Manchester United fan from 1996 to 2010.

I know young CR7. Sporting Lisbon CR7 is not the period I am talking about.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:28pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
This is what I have always known.
Argentine opinion of CR7 will always be bias. Try again.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:28pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
Read waht you posted. "What doesn't come to him (Messi), he learnt." Messi even learnt how to score free kick. Kkkkkkk grin


I didn't say Messi never learnt but it is about Balance. I said Messi won't need to work a tenth of CR7 to become awesome at it. Understand the point.

By 10 years, many knew Messi was destined for greatness. Because of his natural talent.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:28pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
Argentine opinion of CR7 will always be bias. Try again.
Find a Portuguese that will say opposite and post let us see.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Samueltemi337(m): 12:29pm On Nov 23, 2024
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 12:30pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
No one is saying CR7 is not talented but it did not come naturally. He had to work hard and train to build the talent.
Does talent come by training?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by zicky(m): 12:33pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheSuperNerd:
The point is Ronaldo already had natural talent he built on. Every talented player that eventually succeeded worked to get where they are but the intensity of their hardwork is what varies.
You go explain this simple thing taya 😂.
Like Ronaldo has no talent just hard work 🤦‍♂️
Ask him if Rodri has talent or who in mancity is more talented than CR7
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:34pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
Comprehend before calling someone a liar.

When we talk of natural talent, it can be told before 17 years. I was a blooded Manchester United fan from 1996 to 2010.

I know young CR7. Sporting Lisbon CR7 is not the period I am talking about.
Oga, CR7 was already talented before he joined Sporting Lisbon.

He impressed when he went on trial at Sporting Lisbon and got promoted.

All the kids that saw him played said he was different. Stop lying dude.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:37pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
Oga, CR7 was already talented before he joined Sporting Lisbon.

He impressed when he went on trial at Sporting Lisbon and got promoted.

All the kids that saw him played said he was different. Stop lying dude.
You are still missing the point. The development. There are kids at 4, they are juggling balls. When they play you wonder how they knew such things. There are some at that age which will work hard learn how to juggle learn skills and later become good.

I see Messi as the first kid and CR7 as the second. What you are posting does not counter that in anyway.

That is why CR7 had to be the most hardworking player of all time to keep up with Messi.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:37pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:


I didn't say Messi never learnt but it is about Balance. I said Messi won't need to work a tenth of CR7 to become awesome at it. Understand the point.

By 10 years, many knew Messi was destined for greatness. Because of his natural talent.

Finito.
Messi trained alone throughout his career. Stop deceiving here.

By 10 years CR7 was also know to be destined to be greatest. grin

Stop even deceiving yourself. I go to academy to see players. Once you see them play, you know they are naturally talented. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:38pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
Oga, CR7 was already talented before he joined Sporting Lisbon.

He impressed when he went on trial at Sporting Lisbon and got promoted.

All the kids that saw him played said he was different. Stop lying dude.
You have heard from Tevez and Di Maria. You can still keep arguing and shouting liar.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:39pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
You are still missing the point. The development. There are kids at 4, they are juggling balls. When they play you wonder how they knew such things. There are some at that age which will work hard learn how to juggle learn skills and later become good.

I see Messi as the first kid and CR7 as the second. What you are posting does not counter that in anyway.

That is why CR7 had to be the most hardworking player of all time to keep up with Messi.
Oga, CR7 was already dribbling at 6 years old. Juggling ball no mean say you sabi play. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:40pm On Nov 23, 2024
Odunayaw:
Does talent come by training?
There were things I couldn't do until I learned it by mastering the essentials and training on it repeatedly. So what do you think that was?

There are kids that could not juggle the ball at all. However with multiple training they become excellent ball jugglers.

So what do you think?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:40pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
You have heard from Tevez and Di Maria. You can still keep arguing and shouting liar.
Argentines!!!? Stop the bias. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:41pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
There were things I couldn't do until I learned it by mastering the essentials and training on it repeatedly. So what do you think that was?

There are kids that could not juggle the ball at all. However with multiple training they become excellent ball jugglers.

So what do you think?
Oga! Define talent?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:41pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
Argentines!!!? Stop the bias. grin
Post a disagreement from a player.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by zicky(m): 12:41pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:

I am more a CR7 fan than Messi. I am even a bit detached from Messi.

Rodri's point is simple. Messi's talent is more natural and CR7 is learnt.
like CR7 learnt the leg over and skills from where Ana Nani with all the training couldn't get close.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:42pm On Nov 23, 2024
forgiveness:
Oga! Define talent?
What stops you from defining it?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:43pm On Nov 23, 2024
zicky:
like CR7 learnt the leg over and skills from where Ana Nani with all the training couldn't get close.
My point have been clearly made.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by zicky(m): 12:44pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:

I am more a CR7 fan than Messi. I am even a bit detached from Messi.

Rodri's point is simple. Messi's talent is more natural and CR7 is learnt.
CR7 had to work hard to build his body and be extremely fit, which I think feel even reduced his natural talent
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:45pm On Nov 23, 2024
zicky:
CR7 had to work hard to build his body and be extremely fit, which I think feel even reduced his natural talent
So what is the argument about?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness:
TheGoodJoe:
Post a disagreement from a player.
The 'little bee' who always cried - the story of young Ronaldo’s path to greatness in Madeira



Later, Ronaldo would accompany his father and when he was old enough, he himself ended up turning out for Andorinha's youth side.

Cristiano began to play for Andorinha, his first club, from the age of around eight, and even then, his talent was evident.

"We were eight, nine years old," former team-mate Ricardo Santos, now the coach of Andorinha, told Goal. "And at that time, Cristiano Ronaldo was already a great player.

"What I remember about him is that he was a humble kid. And when he didn’t have the ball, he cried. When the team-mates fought, he cried. But he was already a good player. He was faster than average, he already scored a lot of goals and he had great dribbling skills."

"Cristiano really liked winning," Santos added. "When that didn’t happen, Ronaldo cried. So much so that he had the nickname 'crybaby'."

This is at 8 years old. Na you teach am? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by zicky(m): 12:53pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
So what is the argument about?
[/quoteThis guy literally called C.Ronaldo "untalented" and that he lacked "natural talent" unlike Messi [/color][/quote]You actually agreed that CR7 lacked natural talent
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 12:53pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
There were things I couldn't do until I learned it by mastering the essentials and training on it repeatedly. So what do you think that was?

There are kids that could not juggle the ball at all. However with multiple training they become excellent ball jugglers.

So what do you think?
You are conflating skill with talent(innate ability)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:58pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
My point have been clearly made.
"He was seven or eight when he first came here. He came with his father," he said. "It wasn’t easy to get the ball off him. He was very small, but he was always playing football. He never stopped. He was always playing, at home as well."
Andorinha played mostly seven-a-side matches back then and Ricardo recalls one game in particular when Cristiano was forced off at half-time.

"I don't remember exactly how many he scored, but he was almost always our best scorer," Santos said. "I remember a game back then that we played in Camara de Lobos. We were winning 3-0, Cristiano Ronaldo went off injured and we lost 4-3."

And he added: "Ronaldo was called 'abelhinha' (little bee) because he was small and he was very quick, so we called him 'abelhinha'."
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 1:00pm On Nov 23, 2024
TheGoodJoe:
My point have been clearly made.
grin you posted something that says that the things that didn't come naturally to Messi he had to train and yet you cannot see that about CR7 too.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:23pm On Nov 23, 2024
I already asked him.

I like Rodri but it is clear to me that he is the least talented midfielder to ever win either the Ballon D'or or FIFA award. So it is funny hearing that rubbish from him about CR7.

Since Rodri won this ballon d'or, he's been talking a lot of rubbish lately. Let him just be quiet and recover from his injury.

zicky:
You go explain this simple thing taya 😂.
Like Ronaldo has no talent just hard work 🤦‍♂️
Ask him if Rodri has talent or who in mancity is more talented than CR7
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