₦airaland Forum

ehikwe22:
South East are not even one people. They're a mix of different people but somewhat related but completely segregated. The Europeans for the ease of administration brought you all together and made you one. Even creating a language for you and calling it Igbo.

Fortunately, they didn't find us that much related to add us to you guys and the natural boundary also played a big part. Even though the whole Igbo identity has been rubbing on us, we still want to maintain our separate identity. It doesn't matter what some ignorant folks call us. What we call ourselves matters most. And Ika language is recognised as it's own language but under the IGBOID family. The Nigeria government respect our identity and whenever any form of convention or confabs are held, Ika Ethnic Nationality are requested to send their representatives. Ika is recognised as an ethnic group in Nigeria andnDelta and it's taught in school. We now have our dictionary and our bible etc

Ika dictionary or Bible you are talking about is still Igbo words, every tribe have different dialects, Igbo is unity name as Yoruba or Hausa is a unity name for all their dialects. Your Ika tag end in Delta state, immediately you enter SW or north you are seeing as Igbo because your Ika dialect is under Igbo language.

DomPerignon:
I align myself with the renewed call for the creation of Anioma State and the broader idea of reimagining Delta State for the benefit of all its constituents.

God bless this Senator.

He has said it all.

Lumping Anioma with Delta and making Asaba the capital was the greatest evil ever .

Try dey ask elders questions....
We the urhobos are the major reason why the capital was moved to Asaba 'cause of our indecision and inability to agree upon a single location for the capital.

peterincredible:
infact I don't really like that delta ibo thing self I am from anioma and we are igbos that delta-igbo is just to create separation nothing else

Good to know, don’t mind these enemies of Igbos telling you guys that you are Bini why there is no single Bini language in your language.

Odingo1:
Ika dictionary or Bible you are talking about is still Igbo words, every tribe have different dialects, Igbo is unity name as Yoruba or Hausa is a unity name for all their dialects. Your Ika tag end in Delta state, immediately you enter SW or north you are seeing as Igbo because your Ika dialect is under Igbo language.

Mr. It's not an Igbo word. A lot of what you call Igbo today were borrowed from Ika and Ika borrowed from Igbo. It's normal for a minority group contiguous with a majority group to be influenced more but that doesn't erase their identity

You guys in South East seems to be very ignorant about what a language and dialect. The fact is, there is absolutely no difference between a language and dialect. The difference between a language and dialect is 100% political all across the world. Even some other factors that are considered are influenced by politics. Catalonia are deep inside Spain but they don't want to be Spanish anymore so they named their language Catalonian. Do you think Catalonia is not intelligible with Spanish?

I can give you a million examples

DomPerignon:
Good to hear you guys openly state why you are supporting Anioma as an extension of your SE and future Biafra.

I hope other Delta north people outside Asaba are seeing the reason for this Anioma rubbish support coming from your side.

What is actually the problem of Anioma becoming part of SE , does that add or remove anything from them, even if the issue of Biafra come up they have the right to reject it, why are you scared of irrelevant things. Nobody will force them against their wish. A country cannot farewell by forcing others to be in it.

ehikwe22:
Mr. It's not an Igbo word. A lot of what you call Igbo today were borrowed from Ika and Ika borrowed from Igbo. It's normal for a minority group contiguous with a majority group to be influenced more but that doesn't erase their identity

You guys in South East seems to be very ignorant about what a language and dialect. The fact is, there is absolutely no difference between a language and dialect. The difference between a language and dialect is 100% political all across the world. Even some other factors that are considered are influenced by politics. Catalonia are deep inside Spain but they don't want to be Spanish anymore so they named their language Catalonian. Do you think Catalonia is not intelligible with Spanish?

I can give you a million examples

Catalan language is clearly distinct from Spanish, as a Spanish person can’t hear or understand Catalan language, however in the case of Ika vs Igbo, Ika is not clearly distinct from Igbo as every Igbo person from SE hears Ika and Ika hears Igbo unlike Catalan and Spanish.

ehikwe22:
South East are not even one people. They're a mix of different people but somewhat related but completely segregated. The Europeans for the ease of administration brought you all together and made you one. Even creating a language for you and calling it Igbo.

Fortunately, they didn't find us that much related to add us to you guys and the natural boundary also played a big part. Even though the whole Igbo identity has been rubbing on us, we still want to maintain our separate identity. It doesn't matter what some ignorant folks call us. What we call ourselves matters most. And Ika language is recognised as it's own language but under the IGBOID family. The Nigeria government respect our identity and whenever any form of convention or confabs are held, Ika Ethnic Nationality are requested to send their representatives. Ika is recognised as an ethnic group in Nigeria andnDelta and it's taught in school. We now have our dictionary and our bible etc

But you your self, you don't respect other people's identity. You see the Aro man, you call him Igbo. You see the Nsukka man, you call him Igbo. You see the Ngwa man, the Abakiliki man, the Ezza man, the Ibeku man, the Nkanu man, the Orlu man and you call all of them Igbo

Why didn't you respect their individual identities? Don't you know that all these people have different languages?

The reason why you cant respect their individual identities, as you want your own to be respected, is that the only difference with these people is small differences in dialect.

So you give all these people the general name "Igbo". That's the same reason these people also call the Ika's, Ukwuani, Oshimili and Enuani, Igbos.

Do you know that the same 'Okpala-ukwu' Ukwani practice, we also practice it in my area in Anambra, but we call it Okpala-Ekili due to our dialect? The same ancient Igbo God called Ikenga is in Ukwuani, although they call it 'Ikenge' due to their dialect

The point being made here is that if you do not want to be under the umbrella of 'Igbo' because of small differences in dialect, then stop calling anyone Igbo, we all have our own different dialects too. Practice what you preach

ehikwe22:
You don't reject what you're not. I'm Ika. I don't speak Igbo. I speak Ika. Ika is unarguably an Igboid language but language relationship is not always from kinship but an evidence of some form of interactions. Your Isele Uku that speak a tongue that's classified as a dialect of the Igbo language says they're not Igbo and you want to convince me an Agbor man that I'm Igbo?

Who cares what the Hausa and Yorubas like or don't like? Are Igbos model people to relate with? Do you see how they treat Ebonyi people simply because they are a bit diferrent from other Igbos? They antagonize them and laugh at them for being different. Having links with the Benue and Efik groups

bros I am living in the south west and bros once u cross delta state hmm your eye go clear and for the ebonyi people my brother where I grew up in ogun state there are many igbos here irrespective of state and the all see themselves as one abeg no heed to the propaganda wey them don spread for years about igbos if i tell you wetin some of my Yoruba friends don talk about igbos heen you go shake your head and even if one Igbo man treat an ebonyi man bad that one no mean say na so all of them the behave towards ebonyi people make ina start to dey observe the propaganda towards igbos is too much.
As for the convincing you and ika man say you be Igbo I don't really care whether u accept am or not I rejected been an Igbo man for long till when I started working then my eyes quickly clear when I begin to do things with people wey no be friends na that tym I fear even an idoma man them dey call am Igbo for south west here Baba make I no too talk what I will say is that we need to unite, the ijebu and ebga people have some difference but any how they are still one that is what I want for my Igbo brothers we are all one trust me once you cross okada meen your eyes go clear

tishbite43:
The Urhobos are very foolish

Pls don't insult the entire urhobo tribe cause of a mistake one person made

Odingo1:
Catalan language is clearly distinct from Spanish, as a Spanish person can’t hear or understand Catalan language, however in the case of Ika vs Igbo, Ika is not clearly distinct from Igbo as every Igbo person from SE hears Ika and Ika hears Igbo unlike Catalan and Spanish.

Quit lying to yourself. The only place an average South Easterner "hear" Ika is on the internet.

Talking about intelligibility, do you understand either catalan or Spanish? If no, how do you know they're completely different?

If you don't understand both, what would be your next duty? Internet right ?

Google wether catalon and Spanish are mutually intelligible and get back to me here.

gidgiddy:
But you your self, you don't respect other people's identity. You see the Aro man, you call him Igbo. You see the Nsukka man, you call him Igbo. You see the Ngwa man, the Abakiliki man, the Ezza man, the Ibeku man, the Nkanu man, the Orlu man and you call all of them Igbo

Why didn't you respect their individual identities? Don't you know that all these people have different languages?

The reason why you cant respect their individual identities, as you want your own to be respected, is that the only difference with these people is small differences in dialect.

So you give all these people the general name "Igbo". That's the same reason these people also call the Ika's, Ukwuani, Oshimili and Enuani, Igbos.

Do you know that the same 'Okpala-ukwu' Ukwani practice, we also practice it in my area in Anambra, but we call it Okpala-Ekili due to our dialect? The same ancient Igbo God called Ikenga is in Ukwuani, although they call it 'Ikenge' due to their dialect

The point being made here is that if you do not want to be under the umbrella of 'Igbo' because of small differences in dialect, then stop calling anyone Igbo, we all have our own different dialects too. Practice what you preach

I call people what they want to be called. Give me an evidence of those people you mentioned collectively claiming to not be Igbos. Maybe their traditional rulers and traditional organisations. Until then, you have zero point.

Don't reply for the sake of replying

ehikwe22:
Quit lying to yourself. The only place an average South Easterner "hear" Ika is on the internet.

Talking about intelligibility, do you understand either catalan or Spanish? If no, how do you know they're completely different?

If you don't understand both, what would be your next duty? Internet right ?

Google wether catalon and Spanish are mutually intelligible and get back to me here.

bros my ex na correct agbor girl I broke up with her two weeks ago (still feeling sad about it because she is a sweet woman) sorry for diviating when she is on a call with her father I can hear some bit of what she is saying I can pick or understand some things she says when she speaks to her father but I notice that the anioma in general dialect can be different about (ika,ukuwani, asaba) and all but we all can speak Igbo fluently my dialect is different about from central Igbo but we all can quickly pick it up intact I watched an old video of igbos in equitoria guinea when dey speak I can pick up one or two of what they are saying and guess what they fully identify / or known as igbos in equitoria l guinea my brother we are one even when anioma divide and remain in the south south the igbos are our brothers oo

peterincredible:
bros my ex na correct agbor girl I broke up with her two weeks ago (still feeling sad about it because she is a sweet woman) sorry for diviating when she is on a call with her father I can hear some bit of what she is saying I can pick or understand some things she says when she speaks to her father but I notice that the anioma in general dialect can be different about (ika,ukuwani, asaba) and all but we all can speak Igbo fluently my dialect is different about from central Igbo but we all can quickly pick it up intact I watched an old video of igbos in equitoria guinea when dey speak I can pick up one or two they where saying

Do you know that some languages that are classified as different languages have an intelligibility rate of up to 99% while some dialects in the same language have intelligibility rate of below 50%? First, mutual intelligibility or more one sided form of intelligibility proves nothing.

Although intelligibility is not the only way to know how close two Languages are - there are also things like syntax, semantics, grammar can differ even in mutually intelligible language. Intelligibility is mostly a matter of the vocabulary of a certain language or dialect.


All that regardless, the most important factor in language classification is POLITICS. Identity politics specifically. And this is how it is everywhere in the world.

And no, Ika cannot speak Igbo. Any Ika you see speaking Igbo learned it

ehikwe22:
Do you know that some languages that are classified as different languages have an intelligibility rate of up to 99% while some dialects in the same language have intelligibility rate of below 50%? First, mutual intelligibility or more one sided form of intelligibility proves nothing.

Although intelligibility is not the only way to know how close two Languages are - there are also things like syntax, semantics, grammar can differ even in mutually intelligible language. Intelligibility is mostly a matter of the vocabulary of a certain language or dialect.


All that regardless, the most important factor in language classification is POLITICS. Identity politics specifically. And this is how it is everywhere in the world.

And no, Ika cannot speak Igbo. Any Ika you see speaking Igbo learned it

my broda I dey laugh ooo for ure grammar infact u sabi speak English oo any way u will always be my brother but as for me I have seen several anioma people my dad, mom and all our delta meeting people who come to our house for meeting first Sunday of every new month all of them speaks Igbo fluently when outside if you come to Ogun state and you meet an ijebu man if hin begin to speak hin dialect here even his fellow Yoruba man from ibadan go lost but they are still one my own is we all need to unite our culture and language are similar they are our brothers no other tribe go fit get our back ooo

And then what now happens to Itsekiri, Ijaw and Isoko that is far outnumbered by the Urhobo? The Igbo presence helped check the dominance of Urhobo in Delta State

Abagworo:
And then what now happens to Itsekiri, Ijaw and Isoko that is far outnumbered by the Urhobo? The Igbo presence helped check the dominance of Urhobo in Delta State

I don't think the urhobo people will bully anybody if we the anioma people leave ,I think we are well educated and have grown pass that level of bullying base on tribe, look at bayelsa with several languages they all live in peace, look at rivers, aquaibom and cross river too all the tribes live peacefully there

peterincredible:
I don't think the urhobo people will bully anybody if we the anioma people leave I think we are well educated and have grown pass that level of bullying base on tribe, look at bayelsa with several languages they all live in peace, look at rivers, aquaibom and cross river too all the tribes live peacefully there

yes they can say the Yoruba tribe are welcoming but my guy as a man from the south south I think the south south region are the most welcoming because no tribe irrespective to there large numbers have ever tried to bully any other tribe

ehikwe22:
Quit lying to yourself. The only place an average South Easterner "hear" Ika is on the internet.

Talking about intelligibility, do you understand either catalan or Spanish? If no, how do you know they're completely different?

If you don't understand both, what would be your next duty? Internet right ?

Google wether catalon and Spanish are mutually intelligible and get back to me here.

Can we show a practical reality of who is lying here, speak something in Ika, a short story and record it, then post it here let’s see if your Ika you speak is not Igbo.

Let everyone judge your Ika language that you claim is not Igbo.

Odingo1:
Can we show a practical reality of who is lying here, speak something in Ika and record it, then post it here let’s see if your Ika you speak is not Igbo.

bros no need 4 that abeg my own be say the west to dey different but they have to come together we too have to come together whether na Igbo we go call am or any other name it doesn't matter we just have to unite for our survival in Nigeria or even if Nigeria divide because we have a lot in common and the west and north just luv to see us divided when we where all united we where doing really good we need to unite that is all no challenge hin ika tin u go dey make am feel as if hin no know wetin hin dey talk i hope u grab

peterincredible:
bros no need 4 that abeg my own be say the west to dey different but they have to come together we too have to come together whether na Igbo we go call am or any other name it doesn't matter we just have to unite for our survival in Nigeria or even if Nigeria divide because we have a lot in common and the west and north just luv to see us divided when we where all united we where doing really good we need to unite that is all no challenge hin ika tin u go dey make am feel as if hin no know wetin hin dey talk i hope u grab

Well said, I grab it, what we are saying is not that their language is Igbo but that Ika is the same language in Igbo unity term as various dialects is under Yoruba umbrella but Ika people is free to maintain that Ika is Ika but not saying that it is a different language or not related to Igbo.

peterincredible:
my broda I dey laugh ooo for ure grammar infact u sabi speak English oo any way u will always be my brother but as for me I have seen several anioma people my dad, mom and all our delta meeting people who come to our house for meeting first Sunday of every new month all of them speaks Igbo fluently when outside if you come to Ogun state and you meet an ijebu man if hin begin to speak hin dialect here even his fellow Yoruba man from ibadan go lost but they are still one my own is we all need to unite our culture and language are similar they are our brothers no other tribe go fit get our back ooo

Majority of Enuani people call what they speak Igbo - most of them are okay with that label. But most of them don't want a relationship with the South East for several reasons - including the diverse and heterogeneous nature of the region.

Ika and Ukwuani don't call what we speak Igbo. We speak Ukwuani and Ika. Ika and Ukwuani is even recognised as separate languages linguistically labeled as an IGBOID language. You have to understand the difference between Igboid and Igbo. Igala is a YORUBOID language but it's not Yoruba.

ehikwe22:
Majority of Enuani people call what they speak Igbo - most of them are okay with that label. But most of them don't want a relationship with the South East for several reasons - including the diverse and heterogeneous nature of the region.

Ika and Ukwuani don't call what we speak Igbo. We speak Ukwuani and Ika. Ika and Ukwuani is even recognised as separate languages linguistically labeled as an IGBOID language. You have to understand the difference between Igboid and Igbo. Igala is a YORUBOID language but it's not Yoruba.

my brother it does not matter all I am saying is that we all know who we are and we need to begin to unite because the west and north no give a shit about all this ikwerre, ika, enuani thing oo to them we are all igbos even when a Calabar man is seen as Igbo here in the south west I dey tell you oo, I no be Igbo I be ika does aboki no know that one ooo the man who led the 1966 coup in the north is from Isselukwu but wetin dem talk(them say na Igbo man) my brother u will always be my brother and it obvious we originated from the same place I just want us to unite that is all because na lion surround us I dey tell you from experience no body send even idoma them dey call them igbos for here wey I dey oo

DomPerignon:
Crying for losing dead weight?

Delta South and Central is where the money is.

Even in the old Midwest and later Bendel state, the current Delta north had always been the poorest and most ingratitude province. They even connived with Biafran orcs to invade and occupy the then Midwest under the Enugu puppet Okonkwo stooge government that declared Republic of Benin.

They are not needed in anyway. If not for Marriam Babangida, will that backwater Asaba have become capital of Delta state on its creation?

Well, my senator has said it all and has said he is in total support of Anioma state creation not out of altrustic reasons for Anioma people but rather to drop dead weight .

If only you had pretty women to pull the capital to your frontwater ogogoro consuming place

ehikwe22:
You don't reject what you're not. I'm Ika. I don't speak Igbo. I speak Ika. Ika is unarguably an Igboid language but language relationship is not always from kinship but an evidence of some form of interactions. Your Isele Uku that speak a tongue that's classified as a dialect of the Igbo language says they're not Igbo and you want to convince me an Agbor man that I'm Igbo?

Who cares what the Hausa and Yorubas like or don't like? Are Igbos model people to relate with? Do you see how they treat Ebonyi people simply because they are a bit diferrent from other Igbos? They antagonize them and laugh at them for being different. Having links with the Benue and Efik groups

Everybody laughs at everybody in Igboland so that's a ridiculous example to use.

If Ebonyi people are regarded as inferior, how did Simon Ekpa come to such a position of power?

Metrofox:
If only you had pretty women to pull the capital to your frontwater ogogoro consuming place

Yes. Using your oloshos to do your political bidding for you.

No wonder prostitut1on is now one of several vices that are a mainstay of SE economy.

ehikwe22:
Mr. It's not an Igbo word. A lot of what you call Igbo today were borrowed from Ika and Ika borrowed from Igbo. It's normal for a minority group contiguous with a majority group to be influenced more but that doesn't erase their identity

You guys in South East seems to be very ignorant about what a language and dialect. The fact is, there is absolutely no difference between a language and dialect. The difference between a language and dialect is 100% political all across the world. Even some other factors that are considered are influenced by politics. Catalonia are deep inside Spain but they don't want to be Spanish anymore so they named their language Catalonian. Do you think Catalonia is not intelligible with Spanish?

I can give you a million examples

Catalonian is not intelligible with Spanish speakers. It is a completely different language.

A better analogy would be Castillan Spanish (Madrid) compared to Andalusian Spanish (Seville).

Catalan and Basque (the two regions most known for differentiating themselves from the rest of Spain) are different languages and not intelligible to most Spanish speakers.

My grandmother was from Aboh and she couldn't speak a lick of English, only Igbo. How, then, was she able to survive living in the South-East, seeing as she only knew how to speak her own dialect?

Ngozi123:
Catalonian is not intelligible with Spanish speakers. It is a completely different language.

A better analogy would be Castillan Spanish (Madrid) compared to Andalusian Spanish (Seville).

Catalan and Basque (the two regions most known for differentiating themselves from the rest of Spain) are different languages and not intelligible to most Spanish speakers.

My grandmother was from Aboh and she couldn't speak a lick of English, only Igbo. How, then, was she able to survive living in the South-East, seeing as she only knew how to speak her own dialect?

my sista the brain washing that has been done to igbos since the Biafra war is what we a recovering from but it is a gradual process my own is we must unite oo because Nigeria is a ticking bomb too much hate and tribalism so we just have to unite to survive

peterincredible:
bros I am living in the south west and bros once u cross delta state hmm your eye go clear and for the ebonyi people my brother where I grew up in ogun state there are many igbos here irrespective of state and the all see themselves as one abeg no heed to the propaganda wey them don spread for years about igbos if i tell you wetin some of my Yoruba friends don talk about igbos heen you go shake your head and even if one Igbo man treat an ebonyi man bad that one no mean say na so all of them the behave towards ebonyi people make ina start to dey observe the propaganda towards igbos is too much.
As for the convincing you and ika man say you be Igbo I don't really care whether u accept am or not I rejected been an Igbo man for long till when I started working then my eyes quickly clear when I begin to do things with people wey no be friends na that tym I fear even an idoma man them dey call am Igbo for south west here Baba make I no too talk what I will say is that we need to unite, the ijebu and ebga people have some difference but any how they are still one that is what I want for my Igbo brothers we are all one trust me once you cross okada meen your eyes go clear

Exactly. Was it the South-Easterners who slaughtered me and boys in Asaba? The South-East didn't even exist back then.

DomPerignon:
I support the Senator.

Let Delta north carry their ingratitude with them and go and join the SE.

After all, no more Delta central and south resources will be wasted carrying those dead weights .

They can enjoy having Regina Daniels as their first lady.

You are in support of their agitation for a new state but they have been doing nothing but cry at your post. catarrh don even full my screen as i dey scroll

Abagworo:
And then what now happens to Itsekiri, Ijaw and Isoko that is far outnumbered by the Urhobo? The Igbo presence helped check the dominance of Urhobo in Delta State

reeetard! Where is the proof that the Urhobos have ever attempted to bully anyone in that state? delta igbos or no delta igbos, there has never been any proof of that rubbish

peterincredible:
my sista the brain washing that has been done to igbos since the Biafra war is what we a recovering from but it is a gradual process my own is we must unite oo because Nigeria is a ticking bomb too much hate and tribalism so we just have to unite to survive

They (non-Igbos) will soon start the killing and then it will be too late for all of those confused Igbos who have aligned themselves with them.

Do they think that those Igbo haters will not kill Chukwudi because he's from Delta and not Anambra?

All they will hear is his name and his papa's name and that will be that.

There's only a little time left for them to correct themselves because as you said, Nigeria is a ticking time bomb.

Ngozi123:
Catalonian is not intelligible with Spanish speakers. It is a completely different language.

A better analogy would be Castillan Spanish (Madrid) compared to Andalusian Spanish (Seville).

Catalan and Basque (the two regions most known for differentiating themselves from the rest of Spain) are different languages and not intelligible to most Spanish speakers.

My grandmother was from Aboh and she couldn't speak a lick of English, only Igbo. How, then, was she able to survive living in the South-East, seeing as she only knew how to speak her own dialect?

You guys are hilarious. What do you mean by "not intelligible" and "completely different language "? First, intelligibility is a spectrum - do you know that? And do you know that the term "language and dialect is subjective term? The fact that it's classified as a different language doesn't mean it doesn't qualify as a Spanish dialect - hence my choice of using it specifically.

I've lived in Europe for as long as I can remember and I've specifically had this conversation with people from Catalonia. It's a different language yes, but it's mutually intelligible. Is it completely mutually intelligible? No. The level of intelligibility depends on your exposure to speakers of the other language and if you're living in the contigious area which experience a form of a continuum.