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Bibles are already in schools. For Christian students who want to partake in it.

Chaplains are already employed in schools to help the spiritual growth of those who request it.

We don’t need Trump branded bibles. Bibles that he’ll be making $60 a pop per student. We’re not enabling anymore of his greed and grift.

If you’re not going to use your brain this conversation can’t progress.

Stolen:
U WERE NOT COMPLAINING WEN THE FREAKS WERE IN SCHOOL READING TO THE KIDS.

NOW U WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A BOOK?


WHO DID THE BIBLE EVER HARM?

IjeBos:
Given your username I was at least expecting to see candied yams.
Yeah, I love the food porn as well esp. the ambiance around it esp. during Thanksgiving and Christmas!

I know right?.
And I usually cook up a storm on the holidays.
We opted for a trip this year instead of cooking.

Who knows I might even do a mini thanksgiving later if I crave the turkey.

budaatum:
I do blame democrats.

Accepting blame makes me responsible and empowers me going forward, while not accepting blame makes one irresponsible and powerless.

The people are indeed responsible for what they voted for. They will at least need to bear whatever befalls them from their choice of dump. Unfortunately, the pain won't fall only on Republican voters.

Like I said this was not a policy election and for that reason I cannot and will not blame Democrats for this loss. This one is on the voters. Let them own it.

IjeBos:
I think this is the most important part.
Policies didn't win/lose this election, it was bigotry, culture wars and disinformation peddled to people incapable or unwilling to understand the difference.

The problem is how do Dems message to these people without the constant lying Republicans do? It's a problem. What made Trump successful is his shameless lying. Any party I would vote for wouldn't do that. The Dems aren't built that way.

At least you are seeing what I am seeing Buda doesn't want to see it. It's America's loss not mine. I don't like the idea of politicians lying to people. If the people want lies though then good luck to them because nothing will be done to make things better.

IjeBos:
Arrogantly not listening?
What does this mean?
What should the Democrats have done differently here?

They should have shown they heard. But I can't see how they could have since most voters seemed to have been deafened out by dumpism, as in his loudness and lies.

AmazonTopaz:
. I don't like the idea of politicians lying to people. If the people want lies though then good luck to them because nothing will be done to make things better.

At this point, it’s basically a requirement to be a Republican politician. I know most people agree that all politicians lie to gain votes. Like they make bogus promises or exaggerate things. And everyone accepts it that way (I don’t).

But the level of lying republicans do is out of this world. If you switch camps from Dem to republican, you will need to overcome that something in you that helps you act a little bit like a person with a conscience.

Imagine RFK that people are supporting because he’s anti-vax. Came out to say he never said it. In broad day light! The interviewer replayed the clip in front of him and he wasn’t even moved. It’s a different level of being detached from reality. A republican will look you dead in the eyes & tell you your skin color is green and there’s nothing you can tell them to convince them otherwise.

It’s hard to compete with that type of derangement.

IjeBos:
I think this is the most important part.
Policies didn't win/lose this election, it was bigotry, culture wars and disinformation peddled to people incapable or unwilling to understand the difference.

The problem is how do Dems message to these people without the constant lying Republicans do? It's a problem. What made Trump successful is his shameless lying. Any party I would vote for wouldn't do that. The Dems aren't built that way.

Majority of people don't or can't engage with politics on a technical policy level (because lets be real that's some nerdy behavior /joke), at this point in the game it's about vibes, it's about selling a compelling narrative. Which Trump, the GOP has done based on lies, on being (fake)anti-establishment and giving their base a target for their grievance, the "the immigrants, the post modern neo marxist leftist costal Liberal elite" are causing everything you feel is going wrong in the country.

Now the left doesn't need the lies, because it has reality on its side, but the Dems to need to match Republicans in there energy, and actually work on counter massaging, and using whatever political power they have to push for their policies or abstruct Republicans.

Left Economic populism (I'm not talking about communism, but SocDem policy), is the only way forward if the Dems want to regain power. To actually believe in and be relentless in the massaging that they're on the side of the working class, you can't be both pro business and pro worker these are contradicting positions(I doubt that will happen because they'd risk scaring there big donnars)

People have grievances, they feel the system is failing them, they see inflation and stagnant wages, and growing income inequality. A major reason people gave for why the voted for Trump is because they "want affordable groceries".

Coming to them with a neolib message that "No the system is working just fine we just need to tweak it a little" is insufficient enough of a message, or narrative.
This was the appeal of Bernie Sanders (Which I believe Trump could have never won against), he managed to climb to the national stage during the 2016 primaries absent any party consultants, funding or apparatus. Someone that has been consistent in his massage for decades and gives people a narrative and a place to correctly point their grievances. At the corpos, at the 1%, at wage theft, while not compromising on being socially progressive.

There a ton of Bernie supporters that turned to Trump voters, heck there's the strange anomaly of AOC voters that voted Trump, or states where they voted a Dem governor, but voted Trump for president. Maybe the Democratic party should examine what happened there.

I'd be super pissed if they listed to rightwingers claiming they lost the presidential because the "left too woke" or some other nonsense like that.

I get what you’re saying but the same message when presented to republican voters immediately gets labeled as socialism. Even as they’re actively benefiting from it.

White people are the most dependent on social benefits and welfare but the moment it’s mentioned in politics, they suddenly all hate socialism and handouts.

They dogged out Bernie for being too radical left. Even Some democrats think he’s too far left. And what was his offense? He advocated for benefits that other first world countries already give their citizens without hassles.

America’s problem is complex but at the crux of it is that we’re are way more regressive than the outside world actually knows.

IMAliyu2:
Now the left doesn't need the lies, because it has reality on its side, but the Dems to need to match Republicans in there energy, and actually work on counter massaging, and using whatever political power they have to push for their policies or abstruct Republicans.
Left Economic populism (I'm not talking about communism, but SocDem policy ) is the only way forward if the Dems want to regain power. To actually believe in and be relentless in the massaging that they're on the side of the working class. (I doubt that will happen because they'd risk scaring there big donnars)
People have grievances, they feel the system is failing them, they see inflation and stagnant wages, and growing income inequality. A major reason people gave for why the voted for Trump is because they "want affordable groceries".

Coming to them with a neolib message that "No the system is working just fine we just need to tweak it a little" is insufficient enough of a message, or narrative.
This was the appeal of Bernie Sanders (Which I believe Trump could have never won against), he managed to climb to the national stage during the 2016 primaries absent any party consultants, funding or apparatus. Someone that has been consistent in his massage for decades and gives people a narrative and a place to correctly point their grievances. At the corpos, at the 1%, at wage theft, while not compromising on being socially progressive.

There a ton of Bernie supporters that turned to Trump voters, heck there's the strange anomaly of AOC voters that voted Trump, or states where they voted a Dem governor, but voted Trump for president. Maybe the Democratic party should examine what happened there.

I'd be super pissed if they listed to rightwingers claiming they lost the presidential because the "left too woke" or some other nonsense like that.

AmazonTopaz:
At least you are seeing what I am seeing Buda doesn't want to see it. It's America's loss not mine. I don't like the idea of politicians lying to people. If the people want lies though then good luck to them because nothing will be done to make things better.

You may not "like the idea of politicians lying to people", but you can not change the fact that the republicans will lie. And it is obvious that the majority of voters bought those lies. But Chinua Achebe taught me that the bird must learn to fly without perching if the hunter starts shooting without missing. Only stupid birds blame the hunter for shooting it better. And republicans have only just begun shooting better, or worse as the case is if we talking of policies.

The current plan to put Bibles in schools, for example, is no different to how almajeris are created in the North of Nigeria, and is no different to how Adam was enslaved by making him believe knowledge will kill him. Underlying their plan is teaching creationism, a la, as it was in the beginning so shall it always remain, and anyone with sense knows that includes rolling history back to some previous state when skin colour determined hierarchical position in society.

I just hope Democrats come up with a better counter, or America will become like Iran who jubilated when the frying pan Shah was deposed only for them to be waking up in an ayatollah fire. Though I can't claim the US-Britain supported Shah didn't deserve it.

It was never about the economy.

Just look at.

https://x.com/ScottPresler/status/1862514363577331791?t=m58x8wRGbsyNFnJbi-SLNA&s=19

cococandy:
I get what you’re saying but the same message when presented to republican voters immediately gets labeled as socialism. Even as they’re actively benefiting from it.

White people are the most dependent on social benefits and welfare but the moment it’s mentioned in politics, they suddenly all hate socialism and handouts.

They dogged out Bernie for being too radical left. Even Some democrats think he’s too far left. And what was his offense? He advocated for benefits that other first world countries already give their citizens without hassles.

America’s problem is complex but at the crux of it is that we’re are way more regressive than the outside world actually knows.

I think being controversial or radical is no longer a problem.
They voted for Trump, a person even his voters consider dictatorial or fascist.

I don't think being called a socialist is the worst thing possible. Heck a charismatic enough candidate can own it, and still stand a chance of being elected.

Take a look at the donation map of Bernie in 2020, look at the range of people/states that he was getting.

cococandy:
I get what you’re saying but the same message when presented to republican voters immediately gets labeled as socialism. Even as they’re actively benefiting from it.

White people are the most dependent on social benefits and welfare but the moment it’s mentioned in politics, they suddenly all hate socialism and handouts.

They dogged out Bernie for being too radical left. Even Some democrats think he’s too far left. And what was his offense? He advocated for benefits that other first world countries already give their citizens without hassles.

America’s problem is complex but at the crux of it is that we’re are way more regressive than the outside world actually knows.

Shebi Orange man is planning to cut down food stamps. Na White people go suffer am pass. Lessons will be learned.

What do you think of Mayor Pete?

He’s one of the most charismatic ones out there now.
His charisma rivals Obama’s in my opinion. Do you think his charisma is enough to win over radical right wingers?

IMAliyu2:
I think being controversial or radical is no longer a problem.
They voted for Trump, a person even his voters consider dictatorial or fascist.

I don't think being called a socialist is the worst thing possible. Heck a charismatic enough candidate can own it, and still stand a chance of being elected.

Take a look at the donation map of Bernie in 2020, look at the range of people/states that he was getting.

cococandy:
What do you think of Mayor Pete?

He’s one of the most charismatic ones out there now.
His charisma rivals Obama’s in my opinion. Do you think his charisma is enough to win over radical right wingers?

Pete can’t win. My two cents. I know nobody asked me.

raumdeuter:
More liberal tears

abeg send some reach my side. I'm so thirsty

bemeruca:
So a version for white people and another for blacks. Try to make sense.

Dirty version for blacks, clean version for white. Okay. This is funny

What's sad is that as a black man, you see everything through a prism of whiteness.

Clean Version:

IjeBos:
What's sad is that as a black man, you see everything through a prism of whiteness.

Clean Version:

So the clean one was made for whites or blacks to listen to, or they did it for adults and children?

You sound dumb, as usual. A white woman sings along knowing the lyrics of a song from a race she hates.

I guess she is going about looking for songs that have nigga so she can sing along and use the word.

Some of the things you say here when

cococandy:
What do you think of Mayor Pete?

He’s one of the most charismatic ones out there now.
His charisma rivals Obama’s in my opinion. Do you think his charisma is enough to win over radical right wingers?

Yeah, I think Pete is one of the better options, and will likely fare well against most Republican candidates, except Trump.
Tho I might be underestimating American homophobia maybe, that may lessen his chances.

But if what we're predicting is correct, that trump will crash the economy. If this comes to pass, and Dems relentlessly capitalize on that fact, and we get Pete vs Vance in 2028, my money is on Pete.

Trump has a unique kind of charisma (being entertaining) that can only be matched or countered by someone outside of the Democratic party.
So not unless someone like John Stewart decides to get involved in politics, there aren't exactly that many options.

raumdeuter:
More liberal tears

Delish!

-Lord

Interesting. I find him very captivating. I love an intelligent man. That’s part of the reason why Trump is quite repulsive to me.

I know Trump appeals to mostly intellectually deficient Americans so I’m wondering how they can make the switch from a Trump to a Pete.

Except as you said Ima if he crashes the economy then of course they’ll come running back (as usual) for the Dems to fix it so they can bring back all their isms in the next election round.

It would be interesting to see him as a candidate. And no you didn’t underestimate American homophobia. For all the noise the right wing makes about LGBTQ people on the internet, we’re probably the most anti-LGBTQ country among the first world countries.

I’m wondering what their slogan against him will be.

IMAliyu2:
Yeah, I think Pete is one of the better options, and will likely fare well against most Republican candidates, except Trump.
Tho I might be underestimating American homophobia maybe, that may lessen his chances.

But if what we're predicting is correct, that trump will crash the economy. If this comes to pass, and Dems relentlessly capitalize on that fact, and we get Pete vs Vance in 2028, my money is on Pete.

Trump has a unique kind of charisma (being entertaining) that can only be matched or countered by someone outside of the Democratic party.
So not unless someone like John Stewart decides to get involved in politics, there aren't exactly that many options.

Maeve7:
Pete can’t win. My two cents. I know nobody asked me.

bemeruca:
So the clean one was made for whites or blacks to listen to, or they did it for adults and children?

You sound dumb, as usual. A white woman sings along knowing the lyrics of a song from a race she hates.

I guess she is going about looking for songs that have nigga so she can sing along and use the word.

Some of the things you say here when

This post is gibberish like most things you write here.

1.) You're pretending or you don't know that clean versions of songs exist.
They exist mostly so that these songs can be played on the radio without ruffling sensitivities and attracting FCC fines based on FCC indecency rules.
2.)So you then pretend not to know that easily googleable fact in order to defend a white woman who seems to have deliberately chosen a 15 second clip which began with the word "nigga" from a much much longer song. She could have started the song 1 second later.
All the while there is the clean version that is broadcast on the radio all the time without the word "nigga" in it she could have used if she just liked that section.

It's the same pseudo intelligent nonsensical bull shit you do here daily. Not even sure why a grown man would invest his life this way.
But ey, mental illness is real.

Instead of a nice Thanksgiving greetings, oga is still doing his "left things" noise...he forgot left people also voted for him.

This coming year, everyone is on a long thing 1 and thing 2

IjeBos:
This post is gibberish like most things you write here.

1.) You're pretending or you don't know that clean versions of songs exist.
They exist mostly so that these songs can be played on the radio without ruffling sensitivities and attracting FCC fines based on FCC indecency rules.

This here proves my point. She was listening to her song, she is not the radio. The music are originally made with profanity then go through editing to make it broadcast friendly.

IjeBos:
2.)So you then pretend not to know that easily googleable fact in order to defend a white woman who seems to have deliberately chosen a 15 second clip which began with the word "nigga" from a much much longer song. She could have started the song 1 second later.

I am not defending her, rather its your racism that shines in what you are saying. Blame the person who uses nigga in his song and sold it to a customer who is not allowed to say it or sing along. She can sing along and say nigga all she wants... She has my support. If it is so offensive then don't put it in the song. Problem solved. This your victim mentality is a dying trend. You guys are losing.

IjeBos:
All the while there is the clean version that is broadcast on the radio all the time without the word "nigga" in it she could have used if she just liked that section.

It's the same pseudo intelligent nonsensical bull shit you do here daily. Not even sure why a grown man would invest his life this way.
But ey, mental illness is real.

Of course its the clean version, it is the radio, she was playing her own music. You should ask Jay-z to make sure he has white people version and black people version of the music.

You are full of hatred oga.

What is the purpose of the dirty version? The dirty versions are the originals, the clean version are done for broadcasting.

Lmao 🤣🤣🤣, is this what this thread has been reduced to? All I see is foolish and ignorant liberals crying and coping all over the thread😂. This one pain dem sha. God bless President Trump jare!!

AmazonTopaz:
ObaIgwe1, cococandy, budaatum, Ijebos and happney65

There is a Nigerian on Twitter I think his name is Taiwo (I can't remember his last name) he is in the USA. He became a citizen last year and I believe his job relates to travel agency/immigration information people etc. Do you know that this man voted for Trump?

It is my prayer that his business suffers as much loss as possible because Trump is going to kill tourism and immigration anyway. I blocked him on Twitter but I hope that in 6 months I get to see his account unblock him and read the complaints then block back. I don't get how someone would vote for a candidate whose policies will kill your business particularly given that many of your clients are likely Nigerians who will be affected by any travel ban/restrictions.

Some Nigerians abroad who vote conservatives are big time fools sha. I am not just talking about the USA. But Nigerians who voted Reform in the UK, who think that they are British citizens and will be unaffected by the Far-right's anti-immigration rhetorics, the idiots in Canada who support Conservatives etc. Those ones in Canada benefitted from Liberal policies but now are calling to oust them because they hate LGBTQ and abortion. Omo an oxymoron is an African Conservative living in the West. Hopefully, everyone will learn from the free lessons that Orange Hitler will provide. I hope he fulfills every of his campaign promises.

If people want to be foolish let them be. They will learn the hard way.

You are an enemy of progress . How can you block someone for his decision with plans to unblock him after 6 months, check his progress level and block him again.
No be witchcraft be that?
What is the difference between you and Paience Ozokwor (the nollywood actress who randomly plays the role of a witch in movies)?

Maeve7:
Pete can’t win. My two cents. I know nobody asked me.

He is gay. That's not happening in a bigoted America.

Lmao.
The people who benefit more from this voted for him.

kingbee90:
You are an enemy of progress . How can you block someone for his decision with plans to unblock him after 6 months, check his progress level and block him again.
No be witchcraft be that?
What is the difference between you and Paience Ozokwor (the nollywood actress who randomly plays the role of a witch in movies)?

I didn't want to respond to you because I realized that your comprehension skills is very low so let me break it down for you.

I am an advocate of people getting what they voted for. That's why Democracy is a good thing. What that man will get is what he voted for.

End of discussion.

armyofone:
Instead of a nice Thanksgiving greetings, oga is still doing his "left things" noise...he forgot left people also voted for him.

This coming year, everyone is on a long thing 1 and thing 2

He thrives on hate, divisiveness and chaos.
And that’s what they love about him.
If he released a normal compassionate thanksgiving message like Harris and Biden did, it wouldn’t satisfy the craving his supporters feel for their daily dose of hate.

And they are somehow surprised their families and friends want nothing to do with them anymore.

cococandy:
And they are somehow surprised their families and friends want nothing to do with them anymore.

This here is the saddest part of it.

AmazonTopaz:
I didn't want to respond to you because I realized that your comprehension skills is very low so let me break it down for you.

I am an advocate of people getting what they voted for. That's why Democracy is a good thing. What that man will get is what he voted for.

End of discussion.

Sisi with high comprehension skills I hail oh!
You voted for whom you thought was the better candidate and that man did likewise.
You think the incoming administration will fail like the current administration who left the real issues Americans are facing for LGBTQ rubbish?

AmazonTopaz:
He is gay. That's not happening in a bigoted America.

Possibly and unfortunately true. He is also too polished for the average Trump voter. They hate education, expertise and good manners.

On the flip side, I saw videos of him on Fox and we might underestimate him. He is a smooth talker and he kills it. He has the ability to bring his message across in a way that is easy to understand for those who look for simple solutions to complex problems. He is a much more effective communicator than Kamala was and radiates more confidence.