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Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by omoadeleye(m): 11:51am On Nov 30, 2024
What suspicious?
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by owobokiri(m): 11:52am On Nov 30, 2024
Sirmwill:
Fr

It's for the good of the Yorubas and the IGBOS

The only reason it is not good is it would greatly affect the North negatively
It is not good for Igbo traders.
Igbo traders should not be paying taxes to a government that removed Igbo schools from the government student loans policy.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Jacobx007: 11:53am On Nov 30, 2024
Those supporting this tax reform bill without even knowing anything about it, by the time this man Tinubu finally crashes Nigeria, all of us will run to Niger Republic

Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by omoadeleye(m): 11:54am On Nov 30, 2024
Zico5:
We still have a long way to go in this country. Why is Tinubu rushing to pass the bill? There must be something untoward about the tax bill and that's why they want to pass it quickly the way they removed the subsidy and FX rate. Let them explain it thoroughly in layman way and let people see the transparency in the bill. Tinubu will burn this country down the way he is going.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by JaskanFactor: 11:55am On Nov 30, 2024
what all this countries are now doing to thier citizens is worse than what fraudsters do to thier victims.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by chaiks: 11:56am On Nov 30, 2024
Why are you reluctant to go through the 400 page bill? You can't hide under the the mantra of appearing neutral to opposed the bill. It's a bill that will make leadership of all regions sit-up especially in terms of making their respective regions conducive for business.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Meti99(m): 11:56am On Nov 30, 2024
Which other work do you have that you cannot create time to read through such a sensitive bill?
These people are so shameless that they rub their negligences on the faces of Nigerians
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by stevups(m): 11:57am On Nov 30, 2024
gabicon:
Our economy is in coma, two of the quickest ways of turning things around is increasing production and taxes, I don't understand this complain about rush. The governor of Borno insinuated that this bill should take 20 years like the PIB did on the floor of NASS.


This bill will ensure that people who earn a million and below which is about 70% of our work population won't pay taxes and for some reasons it shouldn't be passed? What exactly is the colour of our problem?

Our elite and lazy politicians are against the bill because it will require them to pay more and also force our governors to create production in their states.

I am pro people anything that will keep money in the average citizens pocket get my nod.
You gatit
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by letitrainnow(m): 12:02pm On Nov 30, 2024
“Fake it until you make it! Act as if you had all the confidence you require until it becomes your reality.” – Brian Tracy
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by venabili: 12:10pm On Nov 30, 2024
Pootle:
from all indications the bill is okay
Maybe on other fronts but they claim that 98 % of nigerians will pay lower income tax. Only 2percent will pay higher by up to 25% from the previous 19%
The top 2 starts from 1.7m($1000) per month. That shows that earning $1k makes you "rich".

1. How on earth was the relief allowance of 20¢% removed and replaced with N800k plus rent relief of N200k? How many taxpaying families live in such low rent apartment?
2. The poorest they claim to relief do not pay tax before. Only people in structured employment pay taxes largely. The agberos, market women, traders etc, some who make quite significant sums do not have tax payments or clearance. So you are simply excluding people who do not pay taxes before to make it formal while increasing the burden on those who already do.
3. The governors against the tax bills are concerned about sharing formula and not the burden or incidence of the tax itself. They simply want a way of getting a larger slice of the pie.

The reforms will get passed and as usual, nigerians will bear the brunt.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by aribisala0(m):
epainos:
Working with someone who is not on one's intellectual or physical level is disastrous and frustrating.

They are so comfortable collecting millions of naira per sitting while deliberating and prolonging issues that could be resolved in a single meeting. These senators and their spokespeople are selfish and only concerned with their pockets. They want to drag out these issues in order to continue collecting money, lol.

Initially, they claimed that the tax is bad and will harm them. Then Oloyede and the FIR boss entered the Senate to educate them. That is when Udume introduced the narrative that they are too hasty. Everyone was shocked. The same Udume who claimed they wanted to paralyze the north with the bill demanding explanation also stated that they should prevent them from explaining anything to them that day because they were not officially included in the order of the day. So the senator quoted another law of the house and ruled him out. A very useless senator. He is only concerned with himself and his own interests. He does not want these guys to educate us on all of the implications. The days of using threats to get what they wanted are over. Guys now know how to reach out to the common people in the north also.

I do not understand what kind of speed they are talking about. Is not this the type of speed required to pass bills? If you have a valid counter-argument, then stop them there. Not that you don't have anything but telling them to just wait. Wait for what? Is it not the issue on which they are deliberating? So, what would you like them to wait for? Honestly, having unintelligent people to work with is so frustrating.

And funny, they heard it right. Lagos State is the main impediment to passing this bill, and the FIR bosses were surprised that Sanwo Olu welcomed them. Lagos is also losing a significant portion of their VAT revenue. They also said they approached the FG about releasing 5% to the states. When Oloyede said he thought the governors and the senate will praise him for his work, but they are the evil against it...that he was shocked. I laughed. What Oloyede does not realize is that they are for themselves. Lol. Dem no send the people they represent na.

As bad as they say Gbajamiala is, you should go to Surulere and see his work. All members of the House of Representatives received funding for projects in their constituencies. Go ask Surulere residents about the work that man completed. Why can't they also do same? Try telling Surulere residents that Tinubu will not return in 2027 and see what happens. Lol.

Tinubu is not my hero...but at least we have eliminated oil subsidies and the naira. Lol. Yes, we are realizing the value of what we have. We can now work on these issues. But everyone wants them to keep doing evil behind the scenes....but they heard it for themselves...we can not keep doing it. Yes, Tinubu was evil for attacking Jonathan. I despise him for that. However, we are unable to continue because the resources are no longer available.

What caused Buhari to leave and flee? Guy man saw what lies ahead, na. He japa!

Anyway, God will help us in this country.

Tinubu is not a man I support, but allow him to pass these bills. These are the foundations required to restore Nigeria to the regional system that we have requested. Allow everyone to go hustle for their money. Allow the south-east and south-south to receive a significant portion of the oil VAT. If the Kaduna and PH refineries requires crude oil, allow it to pay the appropriate VAT to the people who deserve it more. Shikena. The north should work more on his agriculture...and earn money.

Any state that cannot survive should be merged back into the state from which it originated. Shikena.
The 13 states of the North are triggered by the word derivation

They think they have a veto and believe they have the numbers

They will discover that the middle belt they have always taken for granted will vote for the bill


Benue Kwara Kogi Plateau

Since they said the bill is dead on arrival let them test their numbers and power at the National Assembly
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Zico5(m): 12:12pm On Nov 30, 2024
[quote author=omoadeleye post=133101515] Tinubu allow the south south to control their crude oil? If this can be done then we can talk about tax bill
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Image123(m): 12:12pm On Nov 30, 2024
Sirmwill:
In fact

I am not Pro-Tinubu ooo
But that is a strategy that Tinubu wants to use to weaken the influence the north has on the country's economy
This has no merit or logical sense. It's more provable that the bill is against Lagos state than any state. A bill that allows states to get tax for production and consumption in the individual states, that taxes the rich and big industries is weakening the North, how? Kindly explain, not just repeat and insist.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Kinikini: 12:16pm On Nov 30, 2024
Those who oppose the progress of Nigeria may criticize the perceived hastiness of this bill. However, given the current challenging circumstances the country is facing, urgent reforms are necessary to steer us in the right direction. The lengthy process it took to pass the PIB, resulting in missed investment opportunities, serves as a reminder that swift action is crucial.

The tax reform bill is sound and aligns with the principles of fiscal federalism, empowering governors to enhance their states' revenue generation efforts. Sadly, some governors display apathy towards developing their internal revenue streams, relying solely on funds from the federal government. This leads to situations like in Zamfara, where influential individuals exploit resources for personal gain, undermining the state's prosperity.

Fiscal federalism holds the promise of ending such destructive practices and promoting self-sufficiency across all Nigerian states. With diligent effort from governors, sustainable development can be achieved nationwide.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Svoboda(m): 12:23pm On Nov 30, 2024
Sirmwill:
Fr

It's for the good of the Yorubas and the IGBOS

The only reason it is not good is it would greatly affect the North negatively
Not when the north starts collecting vat on crops, especially grains and fruits. Perhaps there needs to be some disambiguation of the whole tax thing in Nigeria.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by epainos: 12:23pm On Nov 30, 2024
aribisala0:
The 13 states of the North are triggered by the word derivation

They thin they have a veto and belie they have the numbers

They will discover that the middle belt they have always taken for granted will vote for the bill


Benue Kwara Kogi Plateau

Since they said the bill is dead on arrival let them test their numbers and power at the National Assembly
The bolded part is the truth. The moment Oyedele explained the whole things two groups of people supported the bill:

1. Tax payers earning minimum wage. They aren't paying tax anymore. And majority are under this category.
2. Oil producing nationsjust to repeat your point.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by phemray(m): 12:24pm On Nov 30, 2024
Zico5:
We still have a long way to go in this country. Why is Tinubu rushing to pass the bill? There must be something untoward about the tax bill and that's why they want to pass it quickly the way they removed the subsidy and FX rate. Let them explain it thoroughly in layman way and let people see the transparency in the bill. Tinubu will burn this country down the way he is going.
What is rushing??

We delayed every thing to be done by government for the people is the main reason we suffer in Nigeria.

PIA bill took about 10 years and what is the end of it? To construct road takes longer time, to pay minimum wage takes longer time etc

Why should Zamfara or Borno barn alcohol, betting etc in Thier state but collected FG allocation made from alcohol and betting?

Governors will wake up now to think inward and develop Thier state.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by simpleseyi: 12:31pm On Nov 30, 2024
Extra30:
So much in a rush
After about 18 months in government, you still call it a rush?

Well, we will pass the Bills, whether you all like it or not
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by simpleseyi: 12:33pm On Nov 30, 2024
Sirmwill:
In fact

I am not Pro-Tinubu ooo
But that is a strategy that Tinubu wants to use to weaken the influence the north has on the country's economy
Haven’t you seen he has been doing so many things to reduce the undeserved advantage of the North over the South? Tinubu is on a mission to, and he will surely accomplish it
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by messenger4891: 12:33pm On Nov 30, 2024
NLCreator666:
https://x.com/dawisu/status/1862786907924521382?s=19[/quote]This is a fact ....take time to scrutinize it and if it is good then consent to it but with this speed,something is fishy
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by bixton(m): 12:34pm On Nov 30, 2024
NLCreator666:
https://x.com/dawisu/status/1862786907924521382?s=19[/quote]But they are not too slow to pass the bill to collect humongous salaries and wages. They were never too slow to approve of Mr. President buying a new presidential plane. All these having far exceeding economic consequences. Like it took them time to agree to pay what may look like a living wage arising from the purported increase in petrol prices causing ripple effects on all consumer goods.
What exactly is their work that he can't read a 400 page document even with the numerous PAs and SAs they all have !!!!!!!
Bunch of lazy good for nothing senators.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by simpleseyi: 12:35pm On Nov 30, 2024
Atarakpa:
Likewise me. I'm neutral when it comes to borrowing of billions of Dollars but it suspicious to me the speed which you senators approve it.
You will not be unfortunate.

Useless idiots in the Senate, where they should ensure check and balance, they have refused to, but where they are supposed to support without restriction, that is where the bastards are picking up arms
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by aribisala0(m): 12:40pm On Nov 30, 2024
Zico5:
Can Tinubu allow the south south to control their crude oil? If this can be done then we can talk about tax bill
It will happen but Tinubu cannot do it without support

How much of the gold mining money from the north do they bring to Abuja for sharing?
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by simpleseyi: 12:40pm On Nov 30, 2024
Zico5:
We still have a long way to go in this country. Why is Tinubu rushing to pass the bill? There must be something untoward about the tax bill and that's why they want to pass it quickly the way they removed the subsidy and FX rate. Let them explain it thoroughly in layman way and let people see the transparency in the bill. Tinubu will burn this country down the way he is going.
We will pass the Bill, then you can go and cry well well, cry yourself to sleep and wake up in tears. 18 months that this government came on board, you are saying why rush to pass the Bills. Stay there and continue crying, we will pass the Bills, no human nor Spirit can stop us
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Pootle: 12:42pm On Nov 30, 2024
venabili:
Maybe on other fronts but they claim that 98 % of nigerians will pay lower income tax. Only 2percent will pay higher by up to 25% from the previous 19%
The top 2 starts from 1.7m($1000) per month. That shows that earning $1k makes you "rich".

1. How on earth was the relief allowance of 20¢% removed and replaced with N800k plus rent relief of N200k? How many taxpaying families live in such low rent apartment?
2. The poorest they claim to relief do not pay tax before. Only people in structured employment pay taxes largely. The agberos, market women, traders etc, some who make quite significant sums do not have tax payments or clearance. So you are simply excluding people who do not pay taxes before to make it formal while increasing the burden on those who already do.
3. The governors against the tax bills are concerned about sharing formula and not the burden or incidence of the tax itself. They simply want a way of getting a larger slice of the pie.

The reforms will get passed and as usual, nigerians will bear the brunt.
taxation in a third world country is very difficult, at some point you jus have to arrive at a compromise
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by bitsAndpieces: 12:43pm On Nov 30, 2024
I don’t think northerners are against the bill, they just thinking, “why are these southerners so generous to our plight?” Haha.

What’s the catch?


Jokes aside, I think it’s a good bill. We need to generate more money through taxation because our oil money is dwindling.


We have infrastructures that need fixing. We need bigger budgets for our security outfits.

How can Kenya and SA with smaller population have a budget bigger than ours? Taxation is also a reasonable way to keep inflation in check, because you can’t raise interest rates continuously forever.
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Kukutente23: 12:45pm On Nov 30, 2024
Sirmwill:
In fact

I am not Pro-Tinubu ooo
But that is a strategy that Tinubu wants to use to weaken the influence the north has on the country's economy
What influence does the north have on the economy
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Extra30(m): 12:47pm On Nov 30, 2024
simpleseyi:
After about 18 months in government, you still call it a rush?

Well, we will pass the Bills, whether you all like it or not
Dem dey talk, u too dey talk. Who Sabi dis one?
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by Krankhead: 12:47pm On Nov 30, 2024
SO WHY ARE YOU COMMENTING IF YOU HAVW NOT READ IT
Re: Tax Bills: I'm Neutral But Suspicious About The Rush To Pass Them - Dawisu by bitsAndpieces: 12:50pm On Nov 30, 2024
festacman:
1. Ordinarily, there is nothing bad in introducing tax reforms from time to time to reflect the REALITIES of the time.

2. Basically, taxation involves corporates and individuals paying a portion of their earnings to support government, which made it possible for them to earn.

3. Therefore, the rational thing to do first is for President Tinubu to develop short-term, medium-term and long-term plan to boost the productive capacity of the economy. Unfortunately, doing this looks like a mirage at the moment. Tax Bill without fixing the economy will impoverish Nigerians more.

4. It is when industries, factories, farmers, traders, professionals, etc are functioning well that goods and services are produced and sold and corporates as well as people have money in their pockets that taxation makes sense. You don't put the cat before the horse.

5. Apart from obvious geopolitical reasons, the fact is that introducing Tax Bill is much easier thing to do than fixing the economy. The president chose the easier task.
Tax reform should be your number one priority if you want to attract businesses and investors. Imagine an Alaba international trader that’s bringing his goods from China, and under the current system will pay multiple taxation and bribes…. Not good for business. If he has to pay two taxes, let it be clear! One to customs, and one to FIRs if he makes profit.

Also, another area of the tax reform is where foreign companies can easily employ Nigerian youths in Nigeria without asking those foreign companies to have branches in Nigeria. If you an IT guy in Calabar, Vodafone in SA or UK can employ you, pay you good wages, without you even leaving your house.

You could have multiply call centres coming to Nigeria instead of going to India or Kenya.
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