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nairalanda1:
Because many of those churches also have to pay their staff in many of those instuitutions eg universites run by churches....at rates the government pays, without any access to government money. (As one of the GO of a large pentecostal church once said...the only help he got from government was land acqusition ie speeding up the process, he still had to pay for the land either way!).

Yeah, I know, maybe we should 'help poor members' by charging cheap fees in church run universites...but that means that the lecturers and non academic staff would have to take cuts in salaries. Also, a lot of these churches are running missions too...that means cuts in those areas...

Nothing is cheap in this world. The best the churches can do is either get their richer members to fund scholarships for poor students, or forget about running universites whatsoever.

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Kobojunkie:
Christianity has bowed to societal pressures, according to you, and that somehow makes it any different from what other businesses have had to do to keep their customer base happy how?

2. Care to explain to us how you have been this real beneficiary from childhood you claim to be?

The bible says your rights should not know the good things you do for the left, but the narration are changing. Depending on the denomination you belong, churches have been doing wonderfully well.

A church paid for my WAEC fee, provided foods and clothes items for me many times during my studies in tertiary institutions, paid for my friends' school fees throughout his studies in higher institutions(a friend of mine in office also confirm that she enjoys this throughout her studies), paid for the school fees of a senior friend of mine who is unable to pay in theological school two years ago, recently paid for the school fees of a lady who is very close to me at UNILAG etc

Have you being to prisons to see how prisoners' issues were taken up and fully financed by churches which has led to freedom of some set of individuals? During COVID-19, I know of four different churches where provisions were made for food items and all someone needs is just to walk in and pick the package.

December 2017 was another fantastic experience which I can never forget. So, people should stop putting the failure of government on churches as many churches are even better to work with in terms of employment now than government and private firms.

Righteousness2:
No matter the Grammar or whatever,
Dont Deceive yourself or Let anyone Deceive you.
GOD'S Word will not Change because of noise and talks.

Tithes is Scripturally and Biblical.
Tithe is not your money
Tithe is a tenth of your Profit, Salary, Gifts etc

If you dont want to Struggle in this Life, Drop your sense and obey GOD'S Word.
GOD is a GOD of Principles.

As for those who Carelessly make use of Whatever the people give into GOD'S House! You are Launching yourself and Generation into Generational Problems.

Tithe was a practice under the covenant God made with the children of Israel to only observe in Canaan (land of Promise). It's practice stopped after a new covenant was made by God through Jesus Christ.

Christians are not under God's covenant with the children of Israel (law of Moses) but under Christ's law which no tithing whatever was required. Only freewill/voluntary giving out of one's heart, not under compulsion, but done cheerfully.

You really need to be tutored aright in the Scriptures to have a clear understanding of things of the Spirit correctly.

Yung6six:
You're not serious. What nonsense curse?

No vex oh,I’m trying to look out for you here. We live in a mysterious world and trust me,I have seen things beyond science I must tell you.

The truth is what can be done to satisfy you people's thirst.......walahi na vdm fit all of una

TinubuOle:
You are doling out 10% of the 10% you collected from your members while keeping the 90% for yourself and building institutions that will charge them cutthroat rates with their own donations.


Agbadonomics is undefeated.

Thank God you have finally confessed that you are not a part of this religion.

Your efforts to react to every single Christian doctrinal issue that crops up on Nairaland has been a pain to watch.

Mostly because you have a surplus of Christian knowledge but no shred of insight into Christianity and what it is all about. That's why you are limited to seeing things from your narrow perspective. Peter was talking about you In 2 Peter 3:16, where he said:

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I notice you strenuously avoid directly condemning Islam which is par for the course of those of your type. Taking cheap shots at Christianity while lowering your voice when it comes to Islam.

Nevertheless, I'm happy that ministers are shifting their focus towards the welfare of their members and not just the lining of church bank accounts. That is a most welcome development

Kobojunkie:
This religion thrives on the mental and physical poverty of the gullible sheeple! 😣😣😣

Blitzerz:
Churches have been helping people since beginning.
That they are now broadcasting it is what makes u think, they just starting to

God bless, church has always been a succour to the members.

How many members will they help one thing i know is that almost all the members need help i hope they continue so that all the members will benefit from it not start and stop, beside why are they putting it in front page,if any help is done keep it to yourself why advertising it

emmnprince:
Tithe was a practice under the covenant God made with the children of Israel to only observe in Canaan (land of Promise). It's practice stopped after a new covenant was made by God through Jesus Christ.

Christians are not under God's covenant with the children of Israel (law of Moses) but under Christ's law which no tithing whatever was required. Only freewill/voluntary giving out of one's heart, not under compulsion, but done cheerfully.

You really need to be tutored aright in the Scriptures to have a clear understanding of things of the Spirit correctly.

Paying of tithes is not a gateway to heaven, but it is biblical and new testament believers are encouraged to pay it Mathew 23:23.

Guestmale:
Paying of tithes is not a gateway to heaven, but it is biblical and new testament believers are encouraged to pay it Mathew 23:23.

Christians are not commanded to pay tithe. When Jesus Christ made this statement recorded by Matthew, an apostle of Christ, the old covenant was still in force. After the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the establishment of the Church in Acts 2, that covenant was no longer in effect.

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying abeg! 🙄

Okay, Bro can pls say the truth?

capnies:
STORIES THAT TOUCH.
WHERE IS THE IMPACT OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING ON THE MEMBERS. EVEN TITHE WAS MEANT TO PROVIDE FOOD IN THE HOUSE OF GOD GOD FOR THE NEEDED
THAT THE MAY BE MEAT IN MY HOUSE

What Are you saying?

emmnprince:
Christians are not commanded to pay tithe. When Jesus Christ made this statement recorded by Matthew, an apostle of Christ, the old covenant was still in force. After the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the establishment of the Church in Acts 2, that covenant was no longer in effect.

The early church and apostles collect offering from the members 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 KJV
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Originalsly:
Jesus or the Disciples had schools? ...or any hired staff? What is supposed to be the primary purpose of the church? ... has that purpose been achieved? Is preparing people for earthly success ... for material gain a purpose of the church?... training people to gain the whole world but lose their souls?. What is the purpose of tithes/offerings as set out in the Bible? Is it used as stated? ...was tithes supposed to be collected from the poor? I can ask sooo many questions and the blind followers will find dumb answers....all in defence of their Daddy .....or Mummy.

"When you give tithes ...it is not me you're giving to...it is not for me...I am only collecting it for God ...the tithes is for God ... not me."

When does he hand it over to God??....does he know if God keeps it here on earth?...or He takes it to Heaven?

Okay, make churches no establish schools. I have no dog in the fight, and I don't care either way.

It's just that sometimes on this site, most of you guys want someone to do something for you for free, while you don't want to do things for free for others.

capnies:
YOU'RE BEING VERY UNREASONABLE, IF CHURCHES MAKE USE OF THE MONEY THEY GET FOR HUMANITY THEN FLAMBOYANCY WON'T BE THERE, THAT'S THE TRUTH STOP BEING SENTIMENTAL AND FACE THE TRUTH. HOW RICH WAS JESUS AND THE APOSTLES, THEY WEREN'T BECAUSE WHEN THEY GET THEY IMMEDIATELY GIVE TO THOSE IN NEED, BUT WE EVEN TRICK THE POOR TO BRING AND WE COLLECT AND ADD TO THE OVERFLOWING WEALTH WE OBTAINED BY TRICKS, SELLING HEAVEN AND BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL PROVIDE TO THEM. WHY CAN'T GOD PROVIDE TO YOU WHO CLAIM TO HAVE MORE GRACE.

Okay, make the churches pay their professors 10000 naira, so that you can get free education from their universites.

Nothing is free in this world. You cannot demand churches charge zero fees for their schools, and then demand that the professor gets paid 800000 for teaching at said school...with which money?

Onewazobia:
✓ Okay, Bro can pls say the truth?

First of all, I ain't related to you so not your bro. Second, the apostles were Israelites who did as their Israelite God commanded them given their bloodline. How wetin dem do come take apply to wetin you do?

Kobojunkie:
First of all, I ain't related to you so not your bro. Second, the apostles were Israelites who did as their Israelite God commanded them given their bloodline. How wetin dem do come take apply to wetin you do?

I'm sorry, I thought you are a Christian

Onewazobia:
➜I'm sorry, I thought you are a Christian

You mean I should buy into the delusion that peddles itself using the name of a man, Jesus Christ of Israel, who made it abundantly clear that His Father sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel aka the bloodline of Jacob and not the dogs aka the non-Israelites? Tufiakwa! 😩😩😩😩😩😩

Kobojunkie:
You mean I should buy into the delusion that peddles itself using the name of a man, Jesus Christ of Israel, who made it abundantly clear that His Father sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel aka the bloodline of Jacob and not the dogs aka the non-Israelites? Tufiakwa! 😩😩😩😩😩😩

Oh! I see, a lost sheep you are.

Are you a coward? come plain on your religion/faith identity if you're not ashamed of who you are

Onewazobia:
➜Oh! I see, a lost sheep you are. Are you a coward? come plain on your religion/faith identity if you're not ashamed of who you are

The coward here would be the one hiding behind religion aka lies! 😩

I am anti-religion since all religions are built on lies/delusions with which people run in order to escape reality. 🙄

Kobojunkie:
The coward here would be the one hiding behind religion aka lies! 😩

I am anti-religion since all religions are built on lies/delusions with which people run in order to escape reality. 🙄

I'm a Christian, who are you?

Onewazobia:
✓ I'm a Christian, who are you?

Are you OK? I said I am anti religion. What part of that statement do you happen not to understand?

Omooba77:
https://punchng.com/churches-dole-out-money-jobs-as-some-question-tithing/

That’s the origin of the church. The coming together of believers to share resources, no be only Bible verses n songs

Kobojunkie:
Are you OK? I said I am anti religion. What part of that statement do you happen not to understand?

You must have had it bad, so sorry

Guestmale:
The early church and apostles collect offering from the members 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 KJV
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

They collected offering, not tithe. Offering isn't tithe and tithe isn't offering. Don't mix them up.

Onewazobia:
✓ You must have had it bad, so sorry

• I don't belong to any religion. It is that simple. I don't have it even remotely as bad as those of you whose lives are ruled over by the lies of your religious masters whom you call your pastors/prophets/popes/imams/priests/Alfas, etc. 😩

Kobojunkie:
• I don't belong to any religion. It is that simple. I don't have it even remotely as bad as those of you whose lives are ruled over by the lies of your religious masters whom you call your pastors/prophets/popes/imams/priests/Alfas, etc. 😩

I clearly understand you, I was probably more advanced in refusal of the admittance of superior being or greater designer.
If you don't mind, fixed a time we can dialogue on this matter otherwise I wish you the best in your endeavours

Onewazobia:
✓ I clearly understand you, I was probably more advanced in refusal of the admittance of superior being or greater designer.
If you don't mind, fixed a time we can dialogue on this matter otherwise I wish you the best in your endeavours

Refusal of admittance of superior being of greater design? I don't think you understand what you are talking about at all. In the one religion of Christianity alone, the many individual denominations combined boast of existence of at least 40,000 different gods -- there are at least 40,000 denominations in Christianity. Islam boasts of at least 3 different versions of Allah that I know of -- the Allah of Saudi Arabia is different from the one of Afghanistan and the one of Nigeria. Outside of these 2 major religions, there are at least 4000 documented ideas of deities.

So, when I said I am anti-religion, my statement was not that I did not believe in the existence of God but rather that I do not subscribe to the mental delusions born of religion which drives billions of humans such as yourself.

Kobojunkie:
Refusal of admittance of superior being of greater design? I don't think you understand what you are talking about at all. In the one religion of Christianity alone, the many individual denominations combined boast of existence of at least 40,000 different gods -- there are at least 40,000 denominations in Christianity. Islam boasts of at least 3 different versions of Allah that I know of -- the Allah of Saudi Arabia is different from the one of Afghanistan and the one of Nigeria. Outside of these 2 major religions, there are at least 4000 documented ideas of deities.

So, when I said I am anti-religion, my statement was, not that I did not believe in the existence of God but rather that I do not subscribe to the mental delusions born of religion which drives billions of humans such as yourself.

You seems confused or deliberately delusional, you sound grieved.
Either you introduce your god/faith or take a walk

Onewazobia:
↪You seems confused or deliberately delusional, you sound grieved. Either you introduce your god/faith or take a walk

You sound so much like the typical Christian who is high on the delusional nonsense that has been fed him of how people can't exist outside of the religious circles he was made used to from childhood. 🙄🙄🙄

Again, I am anti-religion in my leanings means I do not subscribe to any religious narratives produced by men regarding any gods or deities. It is really as simple as that.