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GothamCities:
Please carry your heresy away!
Several scriptures tell us what He went to do!
You don't understand anything about the Bible so you should stick to your cult.

What Jesus WENT to do inside the grave where he was CRYING as in SWEATING like BLOOD BEGGING God to save him from the DEATH {Hebrews 5:7} so you're claiming he went there to preach to dead people that the Bible said can't do anything in the grave! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Ọmọ God raised Jesus from a condition where he was helpless! Act 5:30

So continue calling us CULT after all you don't GATHER with fellow religionists because you don't want to be called CULT or RELIGIONIST! Matthew 10:24-25; 33

GothamCities:
Go and ask Peter please!

Humble yourself and learn! Zephaniah 2:2-3

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus WENT to do inside the grave where he was CRYING as in SWEATING like BLOOD BEGGING God to save him from the DEATH {Hebrews 5:7}

The thrash you're learning in your cult is nauseating, honestly. You're quoting Hebrews 5:7 to claim Jesus was crying in the grave? If someone is deceiving you, should you deceive yourself?

But since you're not hiding behind boring questions like your Michael, I would answer you.

This is Hebrews 5:7

"In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence".

First what do you understand by the bolded "In the days of His flesh." That's talking about when He was still alive. You're currently in the days of your flesh because you're still alive. Once death comes to man, he is no longer in the days of his flesh. So, when did Jesus cry and supplicate according to this verse? In the days of His flesh!

So, how come you now interpret the days of His flesh to mean the grave? This place in Hebrews in describing the Gethsemane prayers he prayed just before He was crucified.

so you're claiming he went there to preach to dead people that the Bible said can't do anything in the grave! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Now let's examine Ecclesiastes 9:5

5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."

Now, tell me where the dead have no further reward. On earth or in the grave? Also tell me where their names are forgotten. On earth or in the grave?

The have no further rewards on earth among the living. Their names are forbidden among the living and not among the dead.

The scriptures you quoted does not address the point you are making. Saul communicated with Samuel when he was dead. So, how then is it impossible for the Lord of lords and the King of kings to communicate with them when He was in the same spiritual state and realm as they were?

Listen, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead but Jesus while addressing the Pharisees who call God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob while seeing these 3 as dead people, Jesus told them:

Here's the scripture with the additional phrase:

Luke 20:38:

"For to him all are alive. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for they all live unto him."

Ọmọ God raised Jesus from a condition where he was helpless! Act 5:30

You should have quoted it out. Why hide behind mere references? Acts 5:30 says:

"The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree."

Can you show me how that verse says Jesus was helpless in the grave? These guys won't cease to amaze me. You're actually indeed, members of the cult of Satan who seeks to make men see Jesus as a powerless and weak personality who is not mighty enough to save. But the Bible states otherwise, yet you are pushing your falsehood to the surface to deceive unstable souls.

Acts 2:24 says of Jesus:

"Whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it."

It was actually impossible for death to hold Jesus. He was not helpless there:
Here's the scripture:

1 Peter 3:18:
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."

He was put to death in the body but in the Spirit, He was alive!

So continue calling us CULT after all you don't GATHER with fellow religionists because you don't want to be called CULT or RELIGIONIST! Matthew 10:24-25; 33

Of course, you're a cult, I just exposed your cult right now.

MaxInDHouse:
Humble yourself and learn! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Learn what?

Doctrines of demons?

GothamCities:
Hebrews 5:7
"In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence".

You just misquote people to make you happy shey?
It's not in the grave that people cry but when they see death coming and that's what Jesus who has lived for unknown years was crying for because he knew he's going to be DEAD for three days!

GothamCities:
Now let's examine Ecclesiastes 9:5
5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."

The memories of dead people are wiped out as they are no more that's what God's word is saying but the point that's made clear here is they don't know anything because they are DEAD!

GothamCities:
The scriptures you quoted does not address the point you are making. Saul communicated with Samuel when he was dead. So, how then is it impossible for the Lord of lords and the King of kings to communicate with them when He was in the same spiritual state and realm as they were?

That wasn't Samuel but a demon pretending to be dead Samuel {2Corinthians 11:14} dead people don't have anything to do again! Ecclesiastes 9:10

GothamCities:
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead but Jesus while addressing the Pharisees who call God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob while seeing these 3 as dead people, Jesus told them:
Here's the scripture with the additional phrase:
Luke 20:38:
"For to him all are alive. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for they all live unto him."

To God they are alive because He has everything about them in record and He will bring them back to life during the resurrection {John 5:28-29 compare to Job 14:13-15} He said death (state of inactivity) is the reward for sin {Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 2:17} so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are DEAD in their graves awaiting resurrection they never went to heaven! John 8:30

GothamCities:
You should have quoted it out. Why hide behind mere references? Acts 5:30 says:
"The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree."
Can you show me how that verse says Jesus was helpless in the grave?

God raised DEAD as in inactive Jesus from the grave!

GothamCities:
Acts 2:24 says of Jesus:
"Whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it."
It was actually impossible for death to hold Jesus. He was not helpless there:
Here's the scripture:

Only sinners die for their sins so Jesus' death is unjustified going by God's standard which says only sinners pay with their lives that's why it's impossible for death to hold a sinless person like Jesus at ransom.

GothamCities:
1 Peter 3:18:
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."
He was put to death in the body but in the Spirit, He was alive!
Of course, you're a cult, I just exposed your cult right now.

Jesus was killed in the flesh but at resurrection he became a life giving spirit {1Corinthians 15:45} Paul wasn't talking about while Jesus was still dead rather he became a spirit at his resurrection! 1Corinthians 15:42-44

You can learn more if only you are willing Jesus was DEAD for those three days nowhere was he actively involved in anything at death so Peter wasn't talking about a literal preaching done only by the living and for the living!

GothamCities:
Learn what?
Doctrines of demons?

Doctrines of demons that's uniting millions as ONE just as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} while yours is useless leaving you without brethren to call your own! Matthew 12:46-50

sonmvayina:
Yes...that's will be a good starting point..

Reading through the Jerusalem Talmud and the virtual Jewish library.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/afterlife#?utm_content=cmp-true

It is not a Christian propaganda. There are Judaisers that believe in life/consciousness after death.

Another one.

https://www.sefaria.org/Shabbat.152b

OkCornel:
Reading through the Jerusalem Talmud and the virtual Jewish library.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/afterlife#?utm_content=cmp-true

It is not a Christian propaganda. There are Judaisers that believe in life/consciousness after death.

That is my position too..

That is why I told Michael that we are the spirit, not the dust.....

OkCornel:
According to the early Judaisers who carried out genocides on God’s authority. Blood cleansing in Canaan, destruction of the Amalekites etc. under the instructions of God.

They had their arguments/convictions for it however, that’s discussion for another time.

Like I always say "the jihad is within"..

I will invite you to my thread, when I get round to it...very soon...

Everything will be clearer..

All those battles are taking place inside of us...
The Amalikites represent doubt.....they are all allegory....God represents our higher consciousness.....not a jewish man up in the sky...

Michael547:
Kindly point a verse na in Genesis to Malachi. Even one verse you cannot provide?

I don't know how to reach you anymore...
The entire Tanakh is about the spirit man. Not the dust. That is what Christian claim Jesus came to ransom, not the dust....
I don't know how to open your mind ..

sonmvayina:
I don't know how to reach you anymore...
The entire Tanakh is about the spirit man. Not the dust. That is what Christian claim Jesus came to ransom, not the dust....
I don't know how to open your mind ..

Kindly open my mind with a verse that says that man is a spirit.

Michael547:
Kindly open my mind with a verse that says that man is a spirit.

See The creation of man ..

At least from the beginning......

sonmvayina:
See The creation of man ..

At least from the beginning......

Quote where man was called a spirit from his creation.

sonmvayina:
That is my position too..

That is why I told Michael that we are the spirit, not the dust.....

Alright 👍

There are many distortions of truth, as predicted by sleeping man. Be it in those who think they are enlightened or those who read and mistranslate the writings of divine truth.

The soul is God, which is why it is eternal, omnipresence, and why we are in essence perfect.. Which too is why God does NOT judge, condemn or punish man, despite those who tell you, you are flawed, failed or fallen.. all untrue.

We ALL, at our center, are divine children of the one infinite creator, whole, perfect and infinite. It is only in the abovementioned misinterpretation of man, residing in the belief that he is the finite mind/body, where he asserts his untruth.

The spirit, which is finite, is the individualized aspect of the creator into form, for the sake of experiencing material reality, and why it has been said before, that creation is the creator experiencing itself.

And lastly the mind/body is the mechanism, the vessel for these, as the dense manifestation so the creator could experience sense perception.

sonmvayina:
There are many distortions of truth, as predicted by sleeping man. Be it in those who think they are enlightened or those who read and mistranslate the writings of divine truth.

The soul is God, which is why it is eternal, omnipresence, and why we are in essence perfect.. Which too is why God does NOT judge, condemn or punish man, despite those who tell you, you are flawed, failed or fallen.. all untrue.

We ALL, at our center, are divine children of the one infinite creator, whole, perfect and infinite. It is only in the abovementioned misinterpretation of man, residing in the belief that he is the finite mind/body, where he asserts his untruth.

The spirit, which is finite, is the individualized aspect of the creator into form, for the sake of experiencing material reality, and why it has been said before, that creation is the creator experiencing itself.

And lastly the mind/body is the mechanism, the vessel for these, as the dense manifestation so the creator could experience sense perception.

Up till now, you've not found a verse that says that man is a spirit. You've just been writing novels from your thoughts.

MaxInDHouse:
Doctrines of demons that's uniting millions as ONE just as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} against the Son of God whom we relegated to be angel Michael while yours is useless a united front of all believers worldwide leaving you without brethren to call your own whom you call your brethren! Matthew 12:46-50

Fixed!

MaxInDHouse:
You just misquote people to make you happy shey?
It's not in the grave that people cry but when they see death coming and that's what Jesus who has lived for unknown years was crying for because he knew he's going to be DEAD for three days!

Very dubious and demic lying personality!

I didn't misquote you! I've added the screenshots of what you typed with your hands. You said Jesus was crying and begging God in the grave! After I exposed you liar with the Word of Truth, you started saying I misquoted you. Please get out of here! There's no single truth in your life!

The memories of dead people are wiped out as they are no more that's what God's word is saying but the point that's made clear here is they don't know anything because they are DEAD!

The memories of them are forgotten in the land of the living. No one remembers them any more! That's what the Bible says!

That wasn't Samuel but a demon pretending to be dead Samuel {2Corinthians 11:14} dead people don't have anything to do again! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Quote the scriptures that say it was a demon!

To God they are alive because He has everything about them in record and He will bring them back to life during the resurrection {John 5:28-29 compare to Job 14:13-15} He said death (state of inactivity) is the reward for sin {Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 2:17} so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are DEAD in their graves awaiting resurrection they never went to heaven! John 8:30

They're alive to God because He has their records, and He'll bring them back to life. Are you a kid?

He is a God of the living, for they all live unto Him. That's why we see Abraham and Lazarus in that parable conversing with the rich man. They were consciously in dialogue!

God raised DEAD as in inactive Jesus from the grave!

The scriptures say He was put to death in His body but made alive in the Spirit. He was not inactive! He went there on a mission! The dead resurrected and walked the streets of Jerusalem as an aftermath of that mission.

Humble yourself, sit down, and well teach you the true Word of God. The true Word of God will knock out the doctrines of demons from your head, and the lying spirit from your soul.

Only sinners die for their sins so Jesus' death is unjustified going by God's standard which says only sinners pay with their lives that's why it's impossible for death to hold a sinless person like Jesus at ransom.

Now, you're talking!

Death could not hold a sinless person like Jesus in the grave. Death could not even silence Him. Death had no power over Him because He was sinless. Hence, He was an active Spirit in the grave where He preached to those spirits who were in prison.

Jesus was killed in the flesh but at resurrection he became a life giving spirit {1Corinthians 15:45} Paul wasn't talking about while Jesus was still dead rather he became a spirit at his resurrection! 1Corinthians 15:42-44

The talk was entirely about His death and not His resurrection. Put to death in the body, but made alive in the Spirit. If he was talking about His resurrection, then He'll say "raised to life in the Spirit." But no, that's not what he said "Put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE (while in the same dead body state) in the Spirit. Dead body, living Spirit.

Jesus actually resurrected with His dead body. The nails and the hole made by the spares were still visible on His body. When others thought He was a spirit, Jesus Himself said in Luke 24:39:

"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

Jesus was not resurrected as a spirit! But in His dead state, He had a dead body that was MADE ALIVE in the Spirit. Being alive in the Spirit, He was actively preaching to those spirits who were in prison!

You can learn more if only you are willing Jesus was DEAD for those three days nowhere was he actively involved in anything at death so Peter wasn't talking about a literal preaching done only by the living and for the living!

Just humble yourself and learn, and get rid of all the falsehoods and lies that have been formulated to get you into hell by all means!

GothamCities:
Fixed!

GothamCities:
Very dubious and demic lying personality!
I didn't misquote you! I've added the screenshots of what you typed with your hands. You said Jesus was crying and begging God in the grave! After I exposed you liar with the Word of Truth, you started saying I misquoted you. Please get out of here! There's no single truth in your life!
The memories of them are forgotten in the land of the living. No one remembers them any more! That's what the Bible says!
Quote the scriptures that say it was a demon!
They're alive to God because He has their records, and He'll bring them back to life. Are you a kid?
He is a God of the living, for they all live unto Him. That's why we see Abraham and Lazarus in that parable conversing with the rich man. They were consciously in dialogue!
The scriptures say He was put to death in His body but made alive in the Spirit. He was not inactive! He went there on a mission! The dead resurrected and walked the streets of Jerusalem as an aftermath of that mission.
Humble yourself, sit down, and well teach you the true Word of God. The true Word of God will knock out the doctrines of demons from your head, and the lying spirit from your soul.
Now, you're talking!
Death could not hold a sinless person like Jesus in the grave. Death could not even silence Him. Death had no power over Him because He was sinless. Hence, He was an active Spirit in the grave where He preached to those spirits who were in prison.
The talk was entirely about His death and not His resurrection. Put to death in the body, but made alive in the Spirit. If he was talking about His resurrection, then He'll say "raised to life in the Spirit." But no, that's not what he said "Put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE (while in the same dead body state) in the Spirit. Dead body, living Spirit.
Jesus actually resurrected with His dead body. The nails and the hole made by the spares were still visible on His body. When others thought He was a spirit, Jesus Himself said in Luke 24:39:
"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
Jesus was not resurrected as a spirit! But in His dead state, He had a dead body that was MADE ALIVE in the Spirit. Being alive in the Spirit, He was actively preaching to those spirits who were in prison!
Just humble yourself and learn, and get rid of all the falsehoods and lies that have been formulated to get you into hell by all means!

Since you know how to EDIT posts and reply to what suits you it's OK!

MaxInDHouse:
Since you know how to EDIT posts and reply to what suits you it's OK!

So, tell me how I edited your post?

You lying demonic personality who has no regard for the Word God.

I presented your post as is. No addition, no substraction. No edits!

The two other posts where you made erroneous assertions, I corrected them by striking out your errors with lines, and indicating that your post was fixed.

Here I presented everything you said as is, and I've responded according to the true Word of God to dismantle your web of lies and deception!

Michael547:
Up till now, you've not found a verse that says that man is a spirit. You've just been writing novels from your thoughts.

These knowledge are not for you...

They are way way above your thinking and understanding...

Just read and pass....

sonmvayina:
These knowledge are not for you...

They are way way above your thinking and understanding...

Just read and pass....

🤣🤣🤣you mean your Personal knowledge is not me. That is correct actually because I base my knowledge on the bible not on novels from your thoughts.

GothamCities:
So, tell me how I edited your post?
You lying demonic personality who has no regard for the Word God.
I presented your post as is. No addition, no substraction. No edits!
The two other posts where you made erroneous assertions, I corrected them by striking out your errors with lines, and indicating that your post was fixed.
Here I presented everything you said as is, and I've responded according to the true Word of God to dismantle your web of lies and deception!

If i meant the dead are unconscious then how can Jesus be crying when he's dead?

MaxInDHouse:
If i meant the dead are unconscious then how can Jesus be crying when he's dead?

That was one of the flaws of your argument that I just decided to ignore!

GothamCities:
That was one of the flaws of your argument that I just decided to ignore!

It simply means you don't understand what i'm saying.

Dead people are unconscious so it was during his life time that Jesus was crying to God who can save him from death!

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means you don't understand what i'm saying.

Dead people are unconscious so it was during his life time that Jesus was crying to God who can save him from death!

No. That wasn't what you said! This is what you said again in the screenshot below. It was my exposition that is causing you to change mouth.

You were even quoting Ecclesiastes to support that dead people are unconscious in the grave including Jesus!

Please stop all these lies.

GothamCities:
You were even quoting Ecclesiastes to support that dead people are unconscious in the grave including Jesus!

So if dead people are unconscious then how can Jesus who was DEAD be crying nah?

MaxInDHouse:
So if dead people are unconscious then how can Jesus who was DEAD be crying nah?

You should answer your question.

Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

GothamCities:
You should answer your question.
Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

Ọmọ i never said Jesus was crying at death he cried prior to his death that's why i quoted Hebrews 5:7 so if you don't understand what i meant it's your problem!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i never said Jesus was crying at death he cried prior to his death that's why i quoted Hebrews 5:7 so if you don't understand what i meant it's your problem!

Why did you avoid the questions? I can see through your deceit.

Here is it again:

Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

And the screenshot of what you said is reattached so you can tell us how you didn't mean Jesus was crying in His grave. I am ready to unearth your whole posts to expose you on this.