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All Church Denominations started, or Founded by Nigerians, are Fraud Centers.

Enough said

Catholic for Life

Simple worship style and not too long masses. No much fashion! U can even wear slippers especially early morning 6am mass.
But trying to attend other churches i see competition in dressing! And i don't enjoy how they just start a prayer and within 5secs they are already speaking in tongues with their heavy mighty speakers and long church service like an inspirational occasion

Im a simple man so i like my simple catholic

That is true Catholics do not dress in fashion before going to church.

Why do you choose to remain a Catholic?

I choose to remain a Catholic because that's where I get an undiluted word of God. They don't try to mend scripture to fit a certain narrative. They teach the bible in its true meaning. I like that they are not for profit making and that preach salvation rather than prosperity. The embodiment of Catholic is living a life of holiness, asking for forgiveness and repentance. You only get to understand the true nature of God, the live of Jesus and the disciples through the Catholics.

Have you ever been a non-Catholic before?
Yes, I was non-catholic and born a non-catholic.

What was your experience like?

It was not a good experience, I won't mention the name of the churches for the sake of sanity. What I can say is they all had the same message, money. One was always talking about how they started a small church, moved to stadium and how millions of people were following them. Another was deceiving members to claim they will buy car and become millionaires. Another the service was like an event, everybody had like 5 to 10 minutes timeslot because they had to cover 5 church services on Sunday, so basically it was like marking attendance. I only had one experience, with one that was inspiring, and the message was what I really needed it. The truth was that most of them, their sermons targeting certain people probably to get funds who knows.

Why do you choose to remain a Catholic?

It may have had a chaotic history, but it is still the first church. The teachings as I have studied have not changed and they don't try to adopt new age practices or religion. A lot of people may disagree with them but since I've been a Catholic, I have experienced God in ways I never knew. I don't think I'll be be leaving Catholic church. Although I still attend other church programs, seminars and the rest. I believe the church of God is one. But I choose to remain Catholic to stay connected to the truth.

essentialone:
Roman Catholics chatbox. Why do you choose to remain a Catholic?

Have you ever been a non-Catholic before? What was your experience like?
Why do you choose to remain a Catholic?

Wow this is so revealing.

peggywebbs:
Why do you choose to remain a Catholic?

I choose to remain a Catholic because that's where I get an undiluted word of God. They don't try to mend scripture to fit a certain narrative. They teach the bible in its true meaning. I like that they are not for profit making and that preach salvation rather than prosperity. The embodiment of Catholic is living a life of holiness, asking for forgiveness and repentance. You only get to understand the true nature of God, the live of Jesus and the disciples through the Catholics.

Have you ever been a non-Catholic before?
Yes, I was non-catholic and born a non-catholic.

What was your experience like?

It was not a good experience, I won't mention the name of the churches for the sake of sanity. What I can say is they all had the same message, money. One was always talking about how they started a small church, moved to stadium and how millions of people were following them. Another was deceiving members to claim they will buy car and become millionaires. Another the service was like an event, everybody had like 5 to 10 minutes timeslot because they had to cover 5 church services on Sunday, so basically it was like marking attendance. I only had one experience, with one that was inspiring, and the message was what I really needed it. The truth was that most of them, their sermons targeting certain people probably to get funds who knows.

Why do you choose to remain a Catholic?

It may have had a chaotic history, but it is still the first church. The teachings as I have studied have not changed and they don't try to adopt new age practices or religion. A lot of people may disagree with them but since I've been a Catholic, I have experienced God in ways I never knew. I don't think I'll be be leaving Catholic church. Although I still attend other church programs, seminars and the rest. I believe the church of God is one. But I choose to remain Catholic to stay connected to the truth.

"Science tells us that in the embryo the whole human being who will be is becoming, projected in each tiny detail; to this our faith adds that what we have is not some unknown project of nature but a project of the creator’s love. St. John the Baptist’s mission is entirely traced out before his birth: “And you, child, will be called prophet of the Most High, for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways.”
-Raniero Cantalamessa

essentialone:
All Church Denominations started, or Founded by Nigerians, are Fraud Centers.
Enough said

This isn't a Nigeria-only issue. All Religions are scams therefore all denominations, including those not formed by Nigerians are fraud centers.

Kobojunkie:
This isn't a Nigeria-only issue. All Religions are scams therefore all denominations, including those not formed by Nigerians are fraud centers.

All lies are lies but some lies are less harmful than other lies.

Take your cue from that

essentialone:
All lies are lies but some lies are less harmful than other lies. Take your cue from that.

Have you thought of how to IDENTIFY the only true RELIGION?

No FAKE exist without ORIGINAL somewhere it's like saying you found fake money but concluding there is no original so are you ready to figure out what Jesus said about truth that binds faithful people throughout the earth together as ONE? John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
Have you thought of how to IDENTIFY the only true RELIGION?

No FAKE exist without ORIGINAL somewhere it's like saying you found fake money but concluding there is no original so are you ready to figure out what Jesus said about truth that binds faithful people throughout the earth together as ONE? John 17:22

For your information, Christianity is not a True Religion. And Islam is not a True Religion.

The only True Religion as far as I am concerned is to be a True Disciple of Jesus Christ. But so long as Nigerians continue to be Christians instead of being true Disciples of Jesus Christ, things can only get worse. In fact, this is just the beginning.

essentialone:
For your information, Christianity is not a True Religion. And Islam is not a True Religion.
The only True Religion as far as I am concerned is to be a True Disciple of Jesus Christ. But so long as Nigerians continue to be Christians instead of being true Disciples of Jesus Christ, things can only get worse. In fact, this is just the beginning.

Christianity is not a True Religion.

The only True Religion as far as I am concerned is to be a True Disciple of Jesus Christ

So how do you call the gathering of disciples of Jesus Christ if they are not CHRISTIANS? Act 11:26

MaxInDHouse:
Christianity is not a True Religion.

The only True Religion as far as I am concerned is to be a True Disciple of Jesus Christ

So how do you call the gathering of disciples of Jesus Christ if they are not CHRISTIANS? Act 11:26

We are operating on a far different wavelength of understanding in this matter. It is not about being right or wrong. It is about having a clear understanding and conviction of whatever it is you are saying.

While often used interchangeably, there is a significant difference between being a Christian and being a disciple of Christ:

*Christian*

A Christian is someone who:

1. *Believes in Jesus Christ*: They have faith in Jesus as the Son of God and the Savior of humanity.
2. *Accepts Jesus as their Savior*: They have accepted Jesus' sacrifice on the cross as payment for their sins.
3. *Identifies with Christianity*: They associate themselves with the Christian faith, its teachings, and its community.

*Disciple of Christ*

A disciple of Christ, on the other hand, is someone who:

1. *Follows Jesus' teachings*: They actively seek to learn from and apply Jesus' teachings in their daily lives.
2. *Imitates Jesus' example*: They strive to emulate Jesus' character, values, and actions.
3. *Commits to spiritual growth*: They prioritize their spiritual development, seeking to become more like Jesus through prayer, study, and obedience.
4. *Serves and obeys Jesus*: They recognize Jesus as their Lord and actively seek to serve and obey Him.

The key differences lie in the level of commitment, obedience, and spiritual growth. While being a Christian is primarily about accepting Jesus as Savior, being a disciple of Christ involves a deeper commitment to following Jesus' teachings, imitating His example, and actively pursuing spiritual growth.

In essence, all disciples of Christ are Christians, but not all Christians are necessarily disciples of Christ.

Guy both means the same thing a Christian is a disciple of Christ he may fail to keep his faith strong that doesn't mean he is not one of Christ's disciples however one who doesn't ASSOCIATE with his fellow believers has nothing to do with Jesus because Jesus only join his disciples when they GATHER {Matthew 18:20} that's why we must forgive our brothers and sisters if they sin against us we shouldn't think we are better than the congregation of God then disassociate ourselves from the gathering of Holy ones {Hebrew 10:24-25} the gathering of Holy ones doesn't mean gathering of perfect humans rather it means the gathering God declared pure due to His Holy Spirit helping them to do His will.

So don't think members of this RELIGION can't make mistakes we err many times but humbly we accept correction whenever God use one of our brothers to point out our mistakes! Galatians 2:11-14

So my friend CHRISTIANITY is the only true RELIGION but then how can we IDENTIFY true Christian organization when thousands of sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all claiming Christians?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy both means the same thing a Christian is a disciple of Christ he may fail to keep his faith strong that doesn't mean he is not one of Christ's disciples however one who doesn't ASSOCIATE with his fellow believers has nothing to do with Jesus because Jesus only join his disciples when they GATHER {Matthew 18:20} that's why we must forgive our brothers and sisters if they sin against us we shouldn't think we are better than the congregation of God then disassociate ourselves from the gathering of Holy ones {Hebrew 10:24-25} the gathering of Holy ones doesn't mean gathering of perfect humans rather it means the gathering God declared pure due to His Holy Spirit helping them to do His will.

So don't think members of this RELIGION can't make mistakes we err many times but humbly we accept correction whenever God use one of our brothers to point out our mistakes! Galatians 2:11-14

So my friend CHRISTIANITY is the only true RELIGION but then how can we IDENTIFY true Christian organization when thousands of sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all claiming Christians?

As I said earlier, We are operating on a far different wavelength of understanding in this matter. It is not about being right or wrong. It is about having a clear understanding and conviction of whatever it is you are saying.

That is my response.

essentialone:
As I said earlier, We are operating on a far different wavelength of understanding in this matter. It is not about being right or wrong. It is about having a clear understanding and conviction of whatever it is you are saying.
That is my response.

So in a nutshell what you said in the beginning of your thread is your own PERSONAL opinion therefore others could believe in Churches founded by Nigerians as Christians.

No wahala jàre!

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell what you said in the beginning of your thread is your own PERSONAL opinion therefore others could believe in Churches founded by Nigerians as Christians.

No wahala jàre!

My brother or sister, every opinion is personal.

None is right or wrong, just a different wavelength of understanding.

essentialone:
My brother or sister, every opinion is personal.
None is right or wrong, just a different wavelength of understanding.

It's OK!

essentialone:
✓ All lies are lies but some lies are less harmful than other lies.
Take your cue from that

Less harmful? So, you okay those you consider less harmful maybe because you are less impacted ignoring the devastation they may have caused others, abi? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

essentialone:
While often used interchangeably, there is a significant difference between being a Christian and being a disciple of Christ:

*Christian*

A Christian is someone who:

1. *Believes in Jesus Christ*: They have faith in Jesus as the Son of God and the Savior of humanity.
2. *Accepts Jesus as their Savior*: They have accepted Jesus' sacrifice on the cross as payment for their sins.
3. *Identifies with Christianity*: They associate themselves with the Christian faith, its teachings, and its community.

*Disciple of Christ*

A disciple of Christ, on the other hand, is someone who:

1. *Follows Jesus' teachings*: They actively seek to learn from and apply Jesus' teachings in their daily lives.
2. *Imitates Jesus' example*: They strive to emulate Jesus' character, values, and actions.
3. *Commits to spiritual growth*: They prioritize their spiritual development, seeking to become more like Jesus through prayer, study, and obedience.
4. *Serves and obeys Jesus*: They recognize Jesus as their Lord and actively seek to serve and obey Him.

The key differences lie in the level of commitment, obedience, and spiritual growth. While being a Christian is primarily about accepting Jesus as Savior, being a disciple of Christ involves a deeper commitment to following Jesus' teachings, imitating His example, and actively pursuing spiritual growth.

In essence, all disciples of Christ are Christians, but not all Christians are necessarily disciples of Christ.

So does a true disciple of Christ meet and fellowship with other disciples of Christ?

essentialone:
As I said earlier, We are operating on a far different wavelength of understanding in this matter. It is not about being right or wrong. It is about having a clear understanding and conviction of whatever it is you are saying.

That is my response.

You outlined an argument without any scriptural support. So how are we to trust your information. Can you give an example of the difference between a Christian and a disciple of Christ from the Bible?

Michael547:
You outlined an argument without any scriptural support. So how are we to trust your information. Can you give an example of the difference between a Christian and a disciple of Christ from the Bible?

Matthew 28:16-20

The Great Commission

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.

17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

John 13:34-35

34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Luke 14:25-27

The Cost of Being a Disciple

25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:

26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 4:19

19 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out, to fish for people.”

Matthew 4:18-22

Jesus Calls His First Disciples

18 As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen.

19 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out to fish for people.”

20 At once they left their nets and followed him.

21 Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them,

22 and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.

Mark 1:16-20

Jesus Calls His First Disciples

16 As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen.

17 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out to fish for people.”

18 At once they left their nets and followed him.

19 When he had gone a little farther, he saw James son of Zebedee and his brother John in a boat, preparing their nets.

20 Without delay he called them, and they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired men and followed him.

Luke 5:1-11

Jesus Calls His First Disciples

1 One day as Jesus was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret,[a] the people were crowding around him and listening to the word of God.

2 He saw at the water’s edge two boats, left there by the fishermen, who were washing their nets.

3 He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, and asked him to put out a little from shore. Then he sat down and taught the people from the boat.

4 When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”

5 Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”

6 When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break.

7 So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.

8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”

9 For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken,

10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners. Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”

11 So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him.

You need to read the above passages clearly, not with a mind that wants to argue or speak big grammar, but with a mind that understands words-beyond-words.

If you do, then you will understand clearly what it means to be a Disciple of Jesus Christ.

Then juxtapose it with any and everything you already know about Christianity and being a Christian.

essentialone:
Matthew 28:16-20

The Great Commission

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.

17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

So did the disciples meet together as they carried out the commission given to them by Christ or they went their own independent way?

Were Jesus disciples later called Christians?

Michael547:
So did the disciples meet together as they carried out the commission given to them by Christ or they went their own independent way?

Were Jesus disciples later called Christians?

A brief summary to bring you into the discussion, before you derail: "all disciples of Jesus Christ are Christians, but not all Christians are necessarily true disciples of Jesus Christ."

essentialone:
A brief summary to bring you into the discussion, before you derail: "all disciples of Jesus Christ are Christians, but not all Christians are necessarily true disciples of Jesus Christ."

Explain with scriptures why a Christian cannot be a true disciple of Christ.