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Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by BigYash: 4:24pm On Dec 06, 2024
It's just a little , nothing dey there. E get one of my badt guy frd,wey we dey call Apostle grin
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 4:24pm On Dec 06, 2024
vinityermie:
The annoying part of this is that those who never go to church but spend Thier lives in brothels and clubs will feel they have an opinion. It doesn't matter what the masses think. She should go make her impact, although it isn't in the title but the grace backing her.
Your mean your many scammers-in-the-lords who frequent brothels and clubs, others with side-chicks aplenty, right? grin
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Jayhome24: 4:24pm On Dec 06, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
It shows that not everyone in today's church is ignorant that the teaching against women speaking in the church is not only erroneous but antichrist!

I don't know who the woman is but if she was chosen by God, to hell with the opinion of men, including so-called Christians.

When it comes to choosing men or women for His work, God never consults with any man, even if it be His prophets or apostles.

He chooses whomever He wills so it's up to His servants to either accept that fact or be left out of what God is doing.

God bless.
And God told the pastor to ordained the singer as Apostle ba? Then you need to show us where the Almighty God was standing or sitting and He now told the pastor go and give that lady Apostle rank.


Pls say something else and kindly go and read your bible very well to know what Aposste stand for biko.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 4:27pm On Dec 06, 2024
Jayhome24:
➜And God told the pastor to ordained the singer as Apostle ba? Then you need to show us where the Almighty God was standing or sitting and He now told the pastor go and give that lady Apostle rank.
Pls say something else and kindly go and read your bible very well to know what Aposste stand for biko.
Have they been able to reveal to you God's private bank account where they deposit all the money they collect from their gullible followers using his name even now? grin grin
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Dtruthspeaker: 4:28pm On Dec 06, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
This is so good.

I hope though it's not wasted on those who were spiritually blind so would yet rubbish its true value and then turn on you.

Imagine how bitterness against the opposite sex has so battered and almost ruined that one's mind to point of assuming all manner of absurd and unfounded things about women, yet thinking it's someone follows the example and teachings of Christ that is his problem.

You can check out some of the bitter antiwomen topics of that moniker.

https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex
https://www.nairaland.com/7998307/women-always-kill-potential-children
https://www.nairaland.com/8261533/mothers-women-cannot-bear-virgins
https://www.nairaland.com/8273590/evil-women-not-does-not

May God have mercy on that miserable lost soul before it gets too late.

God bless.
Yet, in those threads we can all see that no could lay a valid counter against them, so this is just you being fallacious because the Truth of my threads destroy your simp angelic view of women.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Dtruthspeaker: 4:31pm On Dec 06, 2024
IPDGP:
Can you hear yourself, so those who chose him are God or what , some roles are not meant for women in xtainity.
Tell him oo. When did God authorise man the to start choosing for Him?
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by jaxxy(m): 4:36pm On Dec 06, 2024
Anybody can call themselves apostle or pastor or even Bishop. its all man made titles and practices.

I don't give a damn about ur spiritual title respectfully. undecided
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by zonties1(m): 4:36pm On Dec 06, 2024
with ur signature self ano say na woman u be cool
MadamVanessa:
shocked


The title 'Apostle' in Christendom holds profound significance, reserved for genuine disciples of Christ. Witnessing this esteemed title being trivialized is truly disheartening. Let's be candid, we both know that she doesn't merit this honorable title.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by EmmyMaestro(m): 4:37pm On Dec 06, 2024
The thing no consine me
I no even Sabi the woman sef
My own na to chop chop belefull this Christmas
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by DIVINEEVIDENCE: 4:38pm On Dec 06, 2024
ThatWriterBoy:
I personally believe that the office of the apostles have ceased. Apostles were only for the Bible days; not for today. What was the criteria for picking an Apostle according to the Bible?
1. He must have been around when Jesus was there and was a physical witness to the happenings.
2. He must have the signs of the apostle to confirm his apostleship in signs and wonders and diverse strange miracles.
3. His words form major doctrine like Paul's writings and stuff.

Nobody here was around when Jesus was alive (Paul's case was special as he said he was separated in his mother's womb). The signs of an apostle were unquestionable miracles. A lame man that the whole Jerusalem knew was lame was made to walk by Peter and John, I don't see those kinds of miracles in today's church. Nobody can add to the Bible anymore, and any new doctrine coming today is most likely false.

This is why I believe there can be no apostles today. Only pastors, prophets, teachers and evangelists. The apostles have laid the foundation for us like Paul said when he talked about the household of God in Ephesians, BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES...

I would have provided verses to prove my point, but I don't have time to search them out now.
Paul saw Christ in visions and revelations and received the doctrines he preached directly from Christ.

He was a full apostle.

ICor 9:1; II Cor 12:12; 1Cor 15:3-9; II Cor 12:1-9; Gal. 2:7,8 etc.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by easiest(m): 4:40pm On Dec 06, 2024
See as they are tapping current for her body. Lol
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Dtruthspeaker: 4:44pm On Dec 06, 2024
OkCornel:
Junia was a female apostle in the Bible. She was in the ministry even before Paul was converted.

Romans 16 v 7
Greet Andronicus and 👉Junia👈, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding 👉among the apostles👈, and they were in Christ before I was
Men and women were disciples of God and Jesus Christ.

But are women to be allowed on the pulpit and alter? No according to Law on the ministration of the Tabernacle from which the idea of church and priests and pastors, comes from.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by BlessingIsraelM(f): 4:48pm On Dec 06, 2024
MadamVanessa:
shocked


The title 'Apostle' in Christendom holds profound significance, reserved for genuine disciples of Christ. Witnessing this esteemed title being trivialized is truly disheartening. Let's be candid, we both know that she doesn't merit this honorable title.
Women have been the ones against women and then make it looks like it is the men who hate women. You are simply a classic example of women who hate women thriving in diverse role. When you say 'both' who else holds this idea as you ? Stop looking for people to support your archaic believe of gender role especially when it comes to God's election by grace . How dare you call her.unmerit she whom the Lord has chosen ? You can as well say Mary does not merit the role of carrying Jesus . A man should !
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Lawag3: 4:55pm On Dec 06, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
Ignoring your Off Point tirade. The word is "can be called". Meaning you admit and confess that God had never called a woman before.

And by the time His Word was completed andI Finished, did He still call any? No.

Rather He closed it all, Saying "it is Finished"!.

Clearly, He was not calling anyone again and would not be.

Thus, no woman has been called by God and no woman would be called so it is only you hunans doing the calling thinking that it makes you look fair and even better than God. Clearly, you love to be cast into hellfire, like Uzzah.
Deborah was a prophetess in the bible.


God can and will use anybody regardless if gender.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Ashawoman82: 5:00pm On Dec 06, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
It shows that not everyone in today's church is ignorant that the teaching against women speaking in the church is not only erroneous but antichrist!

I don't know who the woman is but if she was truly chosen by God, to hell with the opinion of men, including so-called Christians.

When it comes to choosing men or women for His work, God never consults with any man, even if it be His prophets or apostles.

He chooses whomever He wills so it's up to His servants to either accept that fact or be left out of what God is doing.

God bless.
she deserves it... Just try and listen to her songs...GUC dey learn work when it comes to powerful worship songs..
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Godsonkemz(m): 5:01pm On Dec 06, 2024
This lady carry so much anointing which is released through her songs... I can't dispute that. I think she deserves an apostolic or evangelist position.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 5:02pm On Dec 06, 2024
Ashawoman82:
she deserves it... Just try and listen to her songs...GUC dey learn work when it comes to powerful worship songs..
...
Godsonkemz:
This lady carry so much anointing which is released through her songs... I can't dispute that.
Osinachi's songs were equally powerful until her husband finally kicked her chest in. 😐😐😐😐😐

Religion is of mindfuckery! angry
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Ashawoman82: 5:04pm On Dec 06, 2024
Kobojunkie:
...Osinachi's songs were equally powerful until her husband finally kicked her chest in. 😐😐😐😐😐

Religion is of mindfuckery! angry
how does that relate with this topic eh... Una too mumu I swear... It was stated that her powerful songs was the major criteria used to ordained her and I agreed with them...
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Meti99(m): 5:05pm On Dec 06, 2024
OkCornel:
Junia was a female apostle in the Bible. She was in the ministry even before Paul was converted.

Romans 16 v 7
Greet Andronicus and 👉Junia👈, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding 👉among the apostles👈, and they were in Christ before I was
Your quote is erroneous.
Here is what that passage actually says
Romans 16:
7. Greet Andronicus and Junia,c my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. THEY ARE WELL KNOWN TO THE APOSTLES, and they were in Christ before me.

Not that they were APOSTLES themselves but were popular among/to the Apostles
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by MadamExcellency: 5:07pm On Dec 06, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
This is so good.

I hope though it's not wasted on those who were spiritually blind so would yet rubbish its true value and then turn on you.

Imagine how bitterness against the opposite sex has so battered and almost ruined that one's mind to the point of assuming all manner of absurd and unfounded things about women, yet thinking it's someone who follows the example and teachings of Christ that is his problem.

You can check out some of the bitter anti-women topics of that moniker.

https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex
https://www.nairaland.com/7998307/women-always-kill-potential-children
https://www.nairaland.com/8261533/mothers-women-cannot-bear-virgins
https://www.nairaland.com/8273590/evil-women-not-does-not

May God have mercy on that miserable lost soul before it gets too late.

God bless.
This teaching is beyond your level. The theology isn't meant for radical spirit-filled youths. There are no more Apostles as no man can appoint someone an Apostle. It's only Jesus Christ that appoints the Apostles. Apostles can write the Holy Scriptures as they are inspired to do so.

Read your Bible and study hard. Doctrinal teachings are different from spiritual warfare.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Chemlite: 5:08pm On Dec 06, 2024
ThatWriterBoy:
I personally believe that the office of the apostles have ceased. Apostles .
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Later Days Saint, I hail thee.

A pastor ordaining an apostle....!
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 5:10pm On Dec 06, 2024
Ashawoman82:
➜how does that relate with this topic eh... Una too mumu I swear...
➜It was stated that her powerful songs was the major criteria used to ordained her and I agreed with them...
You don't see the connection?? OMGosh! Religion is a bitch! undecided

2. Ah! I am glad this particular sect of the cult called Christianity has seen fit to include the woman among their higher-ups too. It is indeed high time the religion as a whole completely abandons all sexist images of it. I mean the public is clearly ready to completely move on from all that sexist past that used to be accepted tradition/religion.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by timota(m): 5:14pm On Dec 06, 2024
Meti99:
Your quote is erroneous.
Here is what that passage actually says
Romans 16:
7. Greet Andronicus and Junia,c my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. THEY ARE WELL KNOWN TO THE APOSTLES, and they were in Christ before me.

Not that they were APOSTLES themselves but were popular among/to the Apostles
Pls read other translations as well to get the message,she was a well known apostle,in Christ there is no male or female,rich or poor,freeborn or slave
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Dtruthspeaker: 5:14pm On Dec 06, 2024
Lawag3:
Deborah was a prophetess in the bible.


God can and will use anybody regardless if gender.
Yes!

Outside!

She was not in the Tabernacle (church) neither did she carry on any service there
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by ogaemma: 5:17pm On Dec 06, 2024
Bunch of charlatans under the influence of Action bitters and Igboya.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Dtruthspeaker: 5:17pm On Dec 06, 2024
Godsonkemz:
This lady carry so much anointing which is released through her songs... I can't dispute that. I think she deserves an apostolic or evangelist position.
So did Samuel say about David's brother whom God still rejected.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by mikkyangel3: 5:33pm On Dec 06, 2024
Same Wale Oke who impregnated a member of his church (Christ lLfe Church in Olaogun), Ibadan that year?

If you have sense, know that your salvation walk is personal.

Don't look up to these "MOGs" or put them on some pedestal.

Most of them are worse than you who think of themselves as sinners.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie:
mikkyangel3:
Same Wale Oke who impregnated a member of his church (Christ lLfe Church in Olaogun), Ibadan that year? If you have sense, know that your salvation work is personal. Don't look up to these "MOGs" or put them on some pedestal. Most of them are worse than you who think of themselves as sinners.
You are asking religiously-tampered minds for way too much! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by lereinter(m): 5:51pm On Dec 06, 2024
Why should it spark debate?


Will it give her more access to the Holy spirit than other Christians


Funny 🤡 debaters
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by InvertedHammer:
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Why the outrage?

Christianity in Nigeria has been turned to an industry far away from spirituality. They are free to ordain anyone as a manager or a marketer. If anyone believes that the person on the pulpit extorting them cares about their salvation, such a person deserves the disappointment that awaits him/her.

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Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by lereinter(m): 5:57pm On Dec 06, 2024
mikkyangel3:
Same Wale Oke who impregnated a member of his church (Christ lLfe Church in Olaogun), Ibadan that year?

If you have sense, know that your salvation walk is personal.

Don't look up to these "MOGs" or put them on some pedestal.

Most of them are worse than you who think of themselves as sinners.
Enyin eniyan Sha

Okay

What of the g.o that said "if you don't pay your tithe, you will go to hell fire" a decade ago

And this year said it was a mistake 🤣

Abeg leave baba wale alone joor

But you are right about personal relationship with Jesus Christ
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by lereinter(m): 5:57pm On Dec 06, 2024
InvertedHammer:
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While the outrage?

Christianity in Nigeria has been turned to an industry far away from spirituality. They are free to ordain anyone as a manager or a marketer. If anyone believes that the person on the pulpit extorting them cares about their salvation, such a person deserves the disappointment that awaits him/her.

Fact

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