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JuanDeDios:
Did the prophet (SAW) say it?

AntiChristian:
The reference you used "Ibn Ishaq" is a story book!

So you are a liar!

"Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal! He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and he was known for his evil deeds."

AntiisIam:
So the reference in Quran is also a story book abi? Sebi you never forget say we talk about racism in Islam sometimes ago in which you jakpa after unleashing mayhem on you

AntiChristian:
The reference you used "Ibn Ishaq" is a story book!

So you are a liar!

"Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal! He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and he was known for his evil deeds."

Abu Abd Allah Muhammad ibn Ishaq ibn Yasar al-Muttalibi (Arabic: أَبُو عَبْدُ ٱلله مُحَمَّد ٱبْن إِسْحَاق ٱبْن يَسَار ٱلْمُطَّلِبيّ, romanized: Abū ʿAbd Allāh Muḥammad ibn ʾIsḥāq ibn Yasār al-Muṭṭalibī; c. 704–767), known simply as Ibn Ishaq, was an 8th-century Muslim historian and hagiographer.

Ibn Ishaq, also known by the title ṣāḥib al-sīra, collected oral traditions that formed the basis of an important biography of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. His biography is known as the Al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, and it has mainly survived through the recension of the work by Ibn Hisham.
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Reliability of his hadith
In hadith studies, ibn Isḥaq's hadith (considered separately from his prophetic biography) is generally thought to be "good" (ḥasan) (assuming an accurate and trustworthy isnad, or chain of transmission)[37] and himself having a reputation of being "sincere" or "trustworthy" (ṣadūq). However, a general analysis of his isnads has given him the negative distinction of being a mudallis, meaning one who did not name his teacher, claiming instead to narrate directly from his teacher's teacher.[38]

Others, like Ahmad ibn Hanbal, rejected his narrations on all matters related to fiqh.[2] Al-Dhahabī concluded that the soundness of his narrations regarding ahadith is hasan, except in hadith where he is the sole transmitter which should probably be considered as munkar. He added that some Imams mentioned him, including Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, who cited five of Ibn Ishaq's ahadith in his Sahih.[27]

muhsin:
Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim,

One of the haters and constant mockers of Muslims and Islam has just recently started one thread to purposely, as usual, blaspheme, dent and defame Muslims and Islam. As I have been saying, and will continue saying, these trials are but futile and waste of time, for they can achieve nothing, phenomenally nothing. Therefore, die trying.

Although much have been said there, where I too made a number of replies; but not actually addressing the OP's theme. I feel like it should be more appropriate to initiate a fresh thread to fully well debunk, refute and discard the claim there for the sake of publicity and the likes.

Here it goes. . .

Allah, the Exalted, says in the holy Qur'an:
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"O Mankind! Most certainly, it is We (God almighty) who have Created you all from a single (pair) of a male and a female. And it is we who have made you into nations and tribes, that ye may recognise each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is (He who is) the most righteous of you." (49:13)[/center]

The prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, also said:

[center]“ All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action."
—(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Ch. 3)[/center]

As these Qur'anic verse and Hadetth tradition boldly show us, all thats said in these ahadeeth given in the other thread are but twisted deliberately to bash Muslims and Islam. And are fully just been copied and pasted. Thus she ($Osisi) can not explain a word mentioned in theme.

I am gonna explain these ahadeeth one after another below:

JuanDeDios:
You're ranting like a child. How can I lie when I asserted nothing? ? ? I'd say grow up, but I doubt you'd take my advice.


Hmm. Interesting. I mean, this context (which I hadn't seen) certainly helps. Now, it depends on how people interpret it.

Anyway -


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

AntiChristian:
You should have done this due diligence before if you never had a devilish agenda before!

Na you suppose grow up!

AntiChristian:
You should have done this due diligence before if you never had a devilish agenda before! Na you suppose grow up!

MaxInDHouse:
Now you know what it means to misconstrue.

Do you try to be diligent before misquoting so may Bible verses?
And when someone comes to show you where you misquoted the Bible instead of accepting you turn to insults.

Well what goes around comes around!

JuanDeDios:
Again, I did not assert. I asked a QUESTION. Do you even know what that means?

AntiChristian:
Oh! Did I misquote the attached from your Awake magazine that the Bible millions of people read and died upon has over 50,000 errors?

AntiChristian:
No I don't! I never attended school! The picture you attached laughing clearly depicts your asserted "question"!

JuanDeDios:
Oh, you think I made the "picture". You don't see that I saw a claim, wondered if it's true, and asked a question. I guess I understand you now. Lol.

MaxInDHouse:
The OP said Muhammad said:
"Whoever want to see Satan should look at a black man"

But you have come to explain that Muhammad was misquoted because what he actually said was:

"Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal! He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and he was known for his evil deeds."

So it's now clear that the man in question was a black man not that Muhammad was actually demeaning the black race.

Now the Awake magazine is explaining why there is a need to find out the meaning of words used by the inspired writers because the "Bible" (compilation of translated scripts) has thousands of errors due to mishandling and language barrier.
Does that mean the original manuscripts are erroneous?

So you should have diligently figure out what the Awake magazine is saying before coming to Nairaland to misquote the magazine as if the original inspired writings is what Awake is talking about. If we are to do the same analysis on the Quran thousands of errors will be found because you will not like the way some will translate certain words just as the OP find this somewhere and brought it to Nairaland!

JuanDeDios:
Oh, you think I made the "picture". You don't see that I saw a claim, wondered if it's true, and asked a question. I guess I understand you now. Lol.

AntiChristian:
Yes, the original manuscripts are erroneous! !

MaxInDHouse:
So Mary is the sister of Aaron who later gave birth to Jesus of Nazareth as written in your Quran?

AntiChristian:
Is that what is written there exactly or you lie add your own join?

MaxInDHouse:
Quote it out let everyone see what your Quran says about Moses, Aaron and Mary the mother of Jesus!

Qasim6:
Are you telling us the author of the Qur'an thought both Moses and Aaron were uncles of Jesus? I'm not expecting this argument from an exmuslim.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote your Quran!

Qasim6:
Q 19:27
Then she returned to her people, carrying him. They said ˹in shock˺, “O Mary! You have certainly done a horrible thing!
19:28
O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an indecent man, nor was your mother unchaste.”
Are you telling us the author here was confusing Mary mother of Jesus with Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron?
And that was your take when you were a Muslim?

MaxInDHouse:
Is it not what your imam says that will address who the Aaron is?

From the Bible Aaron is the brother of Moses so it doesn't add up!

Qasim6:
Let's leave Imams out of this for now.
Do you think the author was confusing both Marys? And was that your take when you were a Muslim?

MaxInDHouse:
Who else bears Aaron in the Bible nah?

Your Muhammad kept fabricating stories from what he heard in the Catholic Church that's why you people now think your Quran is authentic shey?

I beg who is Aaron in your Quran?

Qasim6:
Lol
So our Prophet was a member of Catholic Church? Tell me more.
Aaron was the brother of Moses in the Qur'an.
In Luke 1:5 where Elizabeth was said to be daughter of Aaron. Do you take that as Elizabeth being niece of Moses?

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

Your Arab man can't know the history of Jews who lived more than 600 years before his birth so he surely heard Catholics when talking about what is written in the Bible because his sugar mummy Khadijat was a Catholic and he was one of her boy boy escorting the wealthy woman before he was taken by the woman who wanted young blood!

Qasim6:
Is this route you want to take? Disparaging my prophet? Is that the kind of manners they teach you in your God forsaken kingdoms?
Bring the evidence that Khadijah was a Catholic, and the Catholic church taught out Prophet what he knew of the Jewish history.
Can you now answer the question
Do you think Luke made a mistake calling Elizabeth daughter of Aaron?

MaxInDHouse:
Where is Elizabeth found in your Quran?

Ọmọ your prophet can't know the history of Jews who lived more than 600 years before his birth so if you're pitying him to make him your prophet i don't accept someone a prophet out of pity.


Khadijat was a Catholic who used to travel to Rome and other trade centers!

Qasim6:
Elizabeth is referenced in the Qur'an as the wife of Zacharia, the mother of John though not mentioned by name. You should know that as an exmuslim. Except if you were an ignorant Muslim that knew close to nothing about the Deen. My question is do you think Elizabeth was Moses niece when Luke or whosoever wrote the gospel of Luke called her daughter of Aaron? I don't know why you are evading the question. Why not bring evidence that Khadijah was a Catholic that used to travel to Rome. Or you are just going to continue pulling claims out of ur ass? I can see you have revert back to using your fake smiling emoji. Awon fake peace loving people.