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Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 2:42am On Nov 24, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Continue begging for my attention on my thread! smiley
lost false jw mad max

see, you can never stop lying:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 2:46am On Nov 24, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Continue seeking attention on my thread! smiley
lost false jw mad max

repeating your lies, of course;

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 3:08am On Nov 24, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Continue seeking attention on my thread!
lost false jw mad max

repeating your lies and running from truth, of course:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.


johnw47:
very dum lost false jw mad max

the true Church doesn't have to have a name, the true Church is all saved Christians of faith

john referred to the church in ephesus and the Church in philadelphia etc.

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Church
ekklēsia; an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:59pm On Nov 26, 2024
Speaking against the fine fruits of God's Holy Spirit will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 10:48pm On Nov 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Speaking against the fine fruits of God's Holy Spirit will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32
lost false jw mad max

and speaking against the Holy Spirit Himself
will never be forgiven

speaking against the Holy Spirit in any way won't be forgiven:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.


see how you false jw's often deny God's word
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 11:48pm On Nov 26, 2024
If anyone knows the group that's bearing the fruit of God's Holy Spirit but speaking against such a group he or she will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
If anyone knows the group that's bearing the fruit of God's Holy Spirit but speaking against such a group he or she will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32
lost false jw mad max

false teacher, one can speak against a group bearing fruit of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven,
just like one can even speak against Jesus Christ Who bear fruit of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven,
but one cannot speak against the Holy Spirit like you did, making Him out to be a liar, and be forgiven:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.



false jw, you are so confused and often teaching lies like that:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:44am On Nov 27, 2024
johnw47:
false teacher, one can speak against a group bearing fruit of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven,
just like one can even speak against Jesus Christ Who bear fruit of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven,
but one cannot speak against the Holy Spirit like you did, making Him out to be a liar, and be forgiven:
Confused man!

It's what people can see that's wrong to speak against not what they can't see Jesus is God's son so if anyone is speaking against Jesus due to his height, manner of eating, choice of drink, choice of friends, attitude towards the law and people generally it will be forgiven as that could be taken out of context but after you have noticed the fulfillment of prophecies happening through Jesus and his disciples and you can't present any other Messiah or group performing better than his disciples yet you are speaking against their movement then your sins can never be forgiven because that's the work of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of imperfect humans! Matthew 12:31-32

I know you don't understand this! smiley
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 9:39am On Nov 27, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Confused man!
It's what people can see that's wrong to speak against not what they can't see Jesus is God's son so if anyone is speaking against Jesus due to his height, manner of eating, choice of drink, choice of friends, attitude towards the law and people generally it will be forgiven as that could be taken out of context but after you have noticed the fulfillment of prophecies happening through Jesus and his disciples and you can't present any other Messiah or group performing better than his disciples yet you are speaking against their movement then your sins can never be forgiven because that's the work of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of imperfect humans! Matthew 12:31-32
I know you don't understand this! smiley
lost false jw mad max of much babbel

your lying about and denying God's word all over the place will never change God's word, you sinned against the Holy Spirit
making Him out to be a liar, oh deceiver:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 10:03am On Nov 27, 2024
johnw47:
lost false jw mad max of much babbel

your lying about and denying God's word all over the place will never change God's word, you sinned against the Holy Spirit
making Him out to be a liar, oh deceiver:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Faithlessness is your name because everyone can see my faith by observing the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses but what of yours? James 2:18-26 smiley
Only been lousy with nothing to show for your faith!
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MightySparrow: 10:04am On Nov 27, 2024
AntiChristian:
I am earnestly waiting for the part two as i would like to know how God is one when sin against the father and Son can be forgiven but not that of the Spirit?
You will waiting for a loooooonnnnnnnnnmmmg time. Waiting in vain.grin
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
Faithlessness is your name because everyone can see my faith by observing the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses but what of yours? James 2:18-26 smiley
Only been lousy with nothing to show for your faith!
mad max, lost false accuser like your daddy the devil:

Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.


i have no need to tell you satan's mob anything about myself

on the other hand you are always telling how wonderful you are
trying to show you are not a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit
you fool no one oh dum dum

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by armchairscholar: 11:58am On Nov 27, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
God's word often confirmed that no matter the weight of a sinner as long as he or she is an imperfect descendant of Adam God is ready to forgive them {Psalms 78:38; 103:12; Isaiah 49:15; Malachi 3:17; James 5:15} but Jesus (God's only begotten Son) said:

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come" Matthew 12:31-32.

So the question:
What did God's Son mean by this statement?
How can one commit the unforgivable sin?

Stay tuned and learn from our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! smiley
Historically the context is crucial here. Jesus made this statement after the Pharisees attributed His miraculous works to demonic powers, despite witnessing clear evidence of divine intervention. This wasn't a momentary lapse in judgment – it was a willful, persistent rejection of what they knew in their hearts to be true.

The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit," in my professional understanding, isn't about a single moment of doubt or even a crisis of faith. Rather, it represents a persistent, conscious rejection of God's mercy and truth – essentially, closing oneself off completely from the possibility of redemption. I see this as analogous to what we might call "terminal hardening of the heart."

What makes this sin "unforgivable" isn't that God is unwilling to forgive – remember, divine mercy is infinite – but rather that the person has deliberately chosen to reject any possibility of seeking forgiveness. It's like a patient who not only refuses treatment but denies they're ill at all.

The beautiful paradox here is that anyone who worries about having committed this sin almost hasn't – the very concern shows an openness to God's grace that is incompatible with this form of blasphemy.

What are your thoughts on this? I'd be curious to hear your perspective on how this teaching has impacted your own spiritual journey.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op):
armchairscholar:
Historically the context is crucial here. Jesus made this statement after the Pharisees attributed His miraculous works to demonic powers, despite witnessing clear evidence of divine intervention. This wasn't a momentary lapse in judgment – it was a willful, persistent rejection of what they knew in their hearts to be true.

The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit," in my professional understanding, isn't about a single moment of doubt or even a crisis of faith. Rather, it represents a persistent, conscious rejection of God's mercy and truth – essentially, closing oneself off completely from the possibility of redemption. I see this as analogous to what we might call "terminal hardening of the heart."

What makes this sin "unforgivable" isn't that God is unwilling to forgive – remember, divine mercy is infinite – but rather that the person has deliberately chosen to reject any possibility of seeking forgiveness. It's like a patient who not only refuses treatment but denies they're ill at all.

The beautiful paradox here is that anyone who worries about having committed this sin almost hasn't – the very concern shows an openness to God's grace that is incompatible with this form of blasphemy.

What are your thoughts on this? I'd be curious to hear your perspective on how this teaching has impacted your own spiritual journey.
There is nothing that can make people persist in doing what is wrong except they can't figure out another option if there is a better option then such critics surely have a point.

For instance all first century Jews knew that it's their time the Messiah (Christ) should be born so they were desperately looking for any member of their society who will start acting as the Christ.
Two Jews did showed up in the first century but they were killed and those following them scattered {Act 5:36-37} regarding this Jesus said those two guys were thieves and plunderers {John 10:8} John came before Jesus and the first century Jews rushed to him asking if he is the Christ but John told them he is not the Christ! John 1:20
So when Jesus of Nazareth began preaching and teaching in their neighborhood and they are seeing him performing the things God told them about the Christ are they supposed to continue criticizing him?
Well God will forgive those who criticize Jesus of Nazareth but then after Jesus left and his disciples began preaching and teaching in his name also fulfilling what God promised about Jews that the Christ has baptized with the Holy Spirit {Joel 2:28-30} whoever continue to criticize all these events is no longer attacking humans but God's Holy Spirit that's why some sincere and honest hearted Jews began begging Jesus' disciples to tell them what they should do now that they've seen what God promised happening in the gathering of Jesus' disciples! Act 2:37

Today Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what is written in the Bible regarding the end time disciples of Christ but if anyone feels they are wrong all you need to do is present a better performing group than this organization just as any first century Jews need to figure out the group that's performing according to what their God promised them regarding those that will be baptized with Holy Spirit by the Christ.

Failure to do so means such ones will never be forgiven whether they live in the first century with Jesus' disciples or today! Matthew 12:31-32
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:52pm On Nov 27, 2024
Know what sinning against the Holy Spirit means! smiley
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 10:50pm On Nov 27, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Know what sinning against the Holy Spirit means! smiley
oh duh lost false jw deceiver mad max

sinning against the Holy Spirit is speaking against the Holy Spirit/speaking lies against the Holy Spirit

false jw, you spoke against the Holy Spirit, you said He confirmed your lies, making the Holy Spirit out to be a liar like you are:

MaxinDHouse: olaadegbu, emusan, and johnw47 are the same person
the Holy Spirit told me
Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

but according to you oh lost one, making the Holy Spirit out to be a liar is not sinning against the Holy Spirit,
u such a dum deceiver, aren't you
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:22pm On Dec 11, 2024
Do you speak against the fulfillment of God's promises?
Remember Jesus said with man it's impossible but with God whatever God promise is certain {Matthew 19:26} so learn to submit to God's will don't speak against it!
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
Do you speak against the fulfillment of God's promises?
Remember Jesus said with man it's impossible but with God whatever God promise is certain {Matthew 19:26} so learn to submit to God's will don't speak against it!
lost false jw mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

and don't speak against the Holy Spirit, it won't be forgiven:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

1Jn 5:16  If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 10:22pm On Dec 11, 2024
Learn to show appreciation to God's people as they are representing the only true God! smiley
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 11:31pm On Dec 12, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Learn to show appreciation to God's people as they are representing the only true God! smiley
lost false jw mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

absolutely, but we don't appreciate you confused frauds who lie and blaspheme and are paranoid
and then claim to be representing the only true God < strong delusion

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:03am On Dec 13, 2024
The Holy Spirit is gathering peace lovers throughout the earth into one organization, are you speaking against this blessing?
If you are then know that you are not sinning against the organized imperfect sinners rather you are blaspheming the Spirit of God that's doing a perfect job! Matthew 12:31-32 smiley
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 9:30am On Dec 13, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
The Holy Spirit is gathering peace lovers throughout the earth into one organization, are you speaking against this blessing?
If you are then know that you are not sinning against the organized imperfect sinners rather you are blaspheming the Spirit of God that's doing a perfect job! Matthew 12:31-32 smiley
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

fearful false jw, the multitude of your sayings will not change the fact that you blasphemed the Holy Spirit,
making Him out to be a liar. you told lies to all and then said; "the Holy Spirit told me":

MaxinDHouse
olaadegbu, emusan, and johnw47 are the same person,
the Holy Spirit told me
Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 11:55am On Dec 13, 2024
Stop speaking against the fine fruits of God's Holy Spirit!
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
Stop speaking against the fine fruits of God's Holy Spirit!
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, you commit the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, so it's not suprising that you people also add to Jehovah's word
which Jehovah commands not to do

God's word:
Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

so called Jehovah's witnesses adding to Jehovah's word:
Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the fine fruits of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the fine fruits of the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.


Deu 4:2  "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deu 12:32  "Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it. 

Pro 30:6  Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

^^ false jw, you people are proved liars over and over again
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 4:52am On Dec 14, 2024
The fruit of God's Holy Spirit is:
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
KINDNESS
GOODNESS
MILDNESS
FAITH
SELF-CONTROL
Apostle Paul explained that these nine qualities are complete in the fruit of God's Holy Spirit though no single human can have it all due to our imperfect state but a group of faithful people will be noticed with all qualities of God's Holy Spirit and no law could be written against their gathering! Galatians 5:22-23
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 5:04am On Dec 14, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
The fruit of God's Holy Spirit is:
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
KINDNESS
GOODNESS
MILDNESS
FAITH
SELF-CONTROL
Apostle Paul explained that these nine qualities are complete in the fruit of God's Holy Spirit though no single human can have it all due to our imperfect state but a group of faithful people will be noticed with all qualities of God's Holy Spirit and no law could be written against their gathering! Galatians 5:22-23
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, you say; no single human can have all the qualities of the Holy Spirit due to our imperfect state,
but a group of faithful people can have all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit

confused one, what has that to do with; the sin against God's Holy Spirit

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by achorladey: 9:39am On Dec 29, 2024
johnw47:
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, you say; no single human can have all the qualities of the Holy Spirit due to our imperfect state,
but a group of faithful people can have all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit

confused one, what has that to do with; the sin against God's Holy Spirit

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
A good example of the delusion in the liar and manipulator called MaxInDHouse
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 9:59am On Dec 29, 2024
achorladey:
A good example of the delusion in the liar and manipulator called MaxInDHouse
yes delusions, lies, manipulations, etc.
that's him, as is well known smiley
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 10:42am On Dec 29, 2024
johnw47:
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, you say; no single human can have all the qualities of the Holy Spirit due to our imperfect state,
but a group of faithful people can have all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit

confused one, what has that to do with; the sin against God's Holy Spirit

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
You go cry tire! smiley
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 11:09am On Dec 29, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
You go cry tire! smiley
lost false jw mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

of course you cannot reply to truth oh fearful one:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by MaxInDHouse(op): 9:58pm On Feb 15, 2025
The unforgivable sin! smiley
Re: JW 003 What Is Unforgivable Sin? by johnw47: 2:11am On Feb 16, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
The unforgivable sin! smiley
blasphemer of the Holy Spirit lost false jw mad max

anyone who tells a lie and say's that the Holy Spirit told them that, like you did,
has sinned a unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
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