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When an unsaved soul leaves this earth, we know such a soul cannot be admitted into the kingdom of God because of the sins still attached to the soul of the unsaved.

Now, such a soul is supposed to rest, but we know there's no rest, day and night in the dungeon of hell fire, because the fire burns continuously, as the spirit of man cannot die, since God is spirit, and He is everlasting.

So the spirit of the unsaved soul continues to suffer condemnation (punishment) in the Hell for the sins commited by the flesh while on earth.

Now, we know when Jesus returns to the world the second time, He will give rewards to those who died saved by Him after being resurrected (Rapture), and reign with Him a thousand years... After that comes the great white throne judgment, where even hell fire will release all those spirits in them to join with their flesh again, to receive judgement.

Now, both body and spirit will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

My question, will the lake of fire annihilate all these souls, or will it keep burning forever and forever ?

Bible Scholars

No one has gone to heaven after death whether saved or unsaved as you put it.
There is no scripture that says we will go to heaven when we die.

In fact, Jesus Christ—the highest authority we could consult on the topic—said in John 3:13: “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”

People who die are asleep; conscious of nothing.
Albeit, the sleep isn't permanent as there is hope of resurrection.

Fairy tales by moon light. Get an education

They’re in Sheol, awaiting the great white throne judgment at the second resurrection.

They will be judged according to their deeds, and will make it to the new earth if their names are found in the book of life. Revelation 20 v 12-15.

Kingosytex:
No one has gone to heaven after death whether saved or unsaved as you put it.
There is no scripture that says we will go to heaven when we die.

In fact, Jesus Christ—the highest authority we could consult on the topic—said in John 3:13: “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”

People who die are asleep; unconscious of nothing.
Albeit, the sleep isn't permanent as there is hope of resurrection.

Wow!

OkCornel:
They’re in Sheol, awaiting the great white throne judgment at the second resurrection.

They will be judged according to their deeds, and will make it to the new earth if their names are found in the book of life. Revelation 20 v 12-15.

Yes to this.

But the ones that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, is it a forever punishment or a one time annihilation?

Versitee:


Fairy tales by moon light. Get an education

Don't be scared bro.

Jesus saves

Versitee:


Fairy tales by moon light. Get an education

hahahah I swear my G . Tales By sunlight....

Jokerman:
Don't be scared bro.

Jesus saves

He does but not in the way you described it. Try to study Meta physics.

Jokerman:
Yes to this.

But the ones that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, is it a forever punishment or a one time annihilation?

Hmmm…
The scripture states they would not have access to the gates of the city of the new Jerusalem.

Revelation 21 v 27 and 22 v 15

While those that take the mark of the beast will be tormented day and night forever - Revelation 14 v 9-11

Studying the works of men to understand the deeds of God Almighty?

xtianchris:
He does but not in the way you described it. Try to study Meta physics.

psucc:
Studying the works of men to understand the deeds of God Almighty?

Oh my G ... The prime creator doesn't interfere. Nothing lost my G. We must build our lives on knowledge and the knowledge will be a firm and unshakable foundation...The prime creator is not a Man does not work in mysterious ways, but in explainable and different ways.The Bible can't save you. It only gives you the map . So that's why I mentioned meta physics,it will give you insight on how the universe works . I'm not religious.

xtianchris:
I'm not religious.

No, but you are just as confused.

KnownUnknown:
No, but you are just as confused.

Lol.Trust me I'm not.

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Kingosytex:
➜People who die are asleep; conscious of nothing. Albeit, the sleep isn't permanent as there is hope of resurrection.

So, according to you, all people who die even without receiving Eternal Life from Jesus Christ of Israel sleep— albeit possess Eternal Life nonetheless— and as such have hope of being resurrected even after death? So, what you are saying is that even outside of Jesus Christ of Israel, humans have access to Eternal life?

MaxInDHouse:
Wow!

Abraham blossom blows all that away!
Abraham was conscious along with the rich man and Lazarus👀

Gabrielshow24:
Abraham blossom blows all that away!
Abraham was conscious along with the rich man and Lazarus👀

Guy it's just an illustration not a life event!

Kobojunkie:
So, according to you, all people who die even without receiving Eternal Life from Jesus Christ of Israel sleep— albeit possess Eternal Life nonetheless— and as such have hope of being resurrected even after death? So, what you are saying is that even outside of Jesus Christ of Israel, humans have access to Eternal life?

Nope. Both believers and unbelievers shall be raised from the dead.

Take a look at these passages below:
In Acts 24:15 Paul says, "There shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked."
John 5:28-29 says, "For an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

The difference is that Christians will be raised to everlasting glory; those who will not trust in Christ will be raised to judgment.
You get the picture now?

Kingosytex:
➜Nope. Both believers and unbelievers shall be raised from the dead. Take a look at these passages below:
In Acts 24:15 Paul says, "There shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked."
John 5:28-29 says, "For an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
➜The difference is that Christians will be raised to everlasting glory; those who will not trust in Christ will be raised to judgment.
➜You get the picture now?

1. So, in your own interpretation, Jesus Christ of Israel who said He would give Eternal Life(an afterlife/life after death) only to those who eat His flesh and drink His blood lied? Rather, both believers(born-agains ) and unbelievers(non-born-again) have Eternal life(an afterlife/Life after death).😏

2. So, your particular spin on this is that Eternal(an afterlife/Life after death) damnation as instituted by Jesus Christ is not Everlasting even though it is still Eternal(an afterlife/Life after death)? Are you certain you understand the meaning of the terms you apply here well? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

3. This picture you have painted not only makes Jesus Christ of Israel out to be some sort of liar but it equally contains contradictory claims that make it a jumble that should instead be discarded before it hurts one's brain. Do you not see that?😖😖😖😖😖

Kobojunkie:
1. So, in your own interpretation, Jesus Christ of Israel who said He would give Eternal Life(an afterlife/life after death) only to those who eat His flesh and drink His blood, in fact, lied? Rather, both believers(born-agains ) and unbelievers(non-born-again) have Eternal life(an afterlife/Life after death).😏

2. So, your particular spin on this is that Eternal(an afterlife/Life after death) damnation as instituted by Jesus Christ is not Everlasting even though it is still Eternal(an afterlife/Life after death)? Are you certain you understand the meaning of the terms you apply here well? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

3. This picture you have painted not only makes Jesus Christ of Israel out to be some sort of liar but it equally contains contradictory claims that make it a jumble that should instead be discarded before it hurts one's brain. Do you not see that?😖😖😖😖😖

There's no contradiction whatsoever.
Read the above passages clearly, you will understand.
The fact here is that, both the believers and unbelievers shall be raised, the two shall be raised for different purposes.
In fact, the Bible says in Psalm 37:29 that the righteous shall inherit the land and live there forever.
The righteous are promised not only survival but a lasting inheritance that transcends earthly struggles.

Jokerman:
Wh

My question, will the lake of fire annihilate all these souls, or will it keep burning forever and forever ?

Bible Scholars

Are they the ones who created hellfire that they should tell you what it would do to a soul?

Secondly, it is only those who know that they are going to hellfire who bother and like to see know what shall happen there!

Kingosytex:
➜There's no contradiction whatsoever. Read the above passages clearly, you will understand.
➜The fact here is that, both the believers and unbelievers shall be raised, the two shall be raised for different purposes.
➜In fact, the Bible says in Psalm 37:29 that the righteous shall inherit the land and live there forever. The righteous are promised not only survival but a lasting inheritance that transcends earthly struggles.

There are obvious contradictions contained in the claims/assumptions you made.

con·tra·dic·tion
➞a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
➞a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
➞the statement of a position opposite to one already made.

The contradictions are not contained in the passages quoted but rather in the particular statements you made regarding what is stated in those passages— your interpretation of what is written.

Here's a question for you to answer which you did not bother to in your response. Is Jesus Christ of Israel truly the Eternal Life of God as He claims or is there another source of Eternal Life outside of Jesus Christ of Israel — another power— that you believe in and add to this equation?

2. Jesus Christ of Israel instead said that the only ones to be raised by Him would be those who hear His voice and according to Him, those who hear His voice are His sheep — a part of the flock that is ruled by Him, the Shepherd - John 5 vs 19 - 20 & John 10 vs 1 - 6. However, your statement in bold suggests a different purpose for the raising of those who do not believe at all — the non-born-again— implying that another power is at play here apart from that of Jesus Christ of Israel. I guess the question then, to you, is would there be another power apart from Jesus Christ of Israel equally in the business of raising people from the dead? Where is this other power written about?

3. I am having a hard time following this. Are you insinuating that since it is stated that the righteous shall inherit the land and have Eternal Life, that means that all those who don't believe at all equally have access to Eternal Life? I don't follow at all. 🤔

Versitee:


Fairy tales by moon light. Get an education

Education already ahows you that criminals are entitled to be punished, so stop deluding yourself if you do not want to go to that horrible everlasting prison no one comes to out of.

Kobojunkie:
There are obvious contradictions contained in the claims/assumptions you made.
The contradictions are not contained in the passages quoted but rather in the particular statements you made regarding what is stated in those passages.

2. Jesus Christ of Israel instead said that the only ones to be raised by Him would be those who hear His voice and according to Him, those who hear His voice are His sheep — a part of the flock that is ruled by Him, the Shepherd - John 5 vs 19 - 20 & John 10 vs 1 - 6. However, your statement in bold suggests a different purpose for the raising of those who do not believe at all — the non-born-again— implying that another power is at play here apart from that of Jesus Christ of Israel. I guess the question then, to you, is would there be another power apart from Jesus Christ of Israel equally in the business of raising people from the dead? Where is this other power written about?

3. I am having a hard time following this. Are you insinuating that since it is stated that the righteous shall inherit the land and have Eternal Life, that means that all those who don't believe at all equally have access to Eternal Life? I don't follow at all. 🤔

John is about those raised to him in to everlasting life of Goodness while other scriptures confirm that all dead soul whether born again or evil would be raised up.

So no contradiction

xtianchris:
hahahah I swear my G . Tales By sunlight....

So did Hamas mock until the began to wail. Everyday for the criminal but Judgment only needs one day.

Kobojunkie:
There are obvious contradictions contained in the claims/assumptions you made.
The contradictions are not contained in the passages quoted but rather in the particular statements you made regarding what is stated in those passages— your interpretation of what is written.

Here's a question for you to answer which you did not bother to in your response. Is Jesus Christ of Israel truly the Eternal Life of God as He claims or is there another source of Eternal Life outside of Jesus Christ of Israel — another power— that you believe in and add to this equation?

2. Jesus Christ of Israel instead said that the only ones to be raised by Him would be those who hear His voice and according to Him, those who hear His voice are His sheep — a part of the flock that is ruled by Him, the Shepherd - John 5 vs 19 - 20 & John 10 vs 1 - 6. However, your statement in bold suggests a different purpose for the raising of those who do not believe at all — the non-born-again— implying that another power is at play here apart from that of Jesus Christ of Israel. I guess the question then, to you, is would there be another power apart from Jesus Christ of Israel equally in the business of raising people from the dead? Where is this other power written about?

3. I am having a hard time following this. Are you insinuating that since it is stated that the righteous shall inherit the land and have Eternal Life, that means that all those who don't believe at all equally have access to Eternal Life? I don't follow at all. 🤔

Going back and forth on a particular issue has the tendency to wear me out.
Firstly, you asked if those who were dead in Christ would be raised, I answered in the negative because not only the believers shall be raised.
There is no other power at play here.

'My sheep hear my voice...' does not in any way denote that only the believer shall be raised.
In fact, it signifies Jesus's role as the good shepherd, listening to HIM with obedient attention leads to faith.

How can only the believers be raised? Prior Jesus, there was life on earth.
Nobody who died before Him knew whom He was.
Do you believe that Enoch, Aaron, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah, Ezekiel et al shall be condemned because they never accepted Jesus?

Demons also believe in Jesus (James 2:9), but aren't saved. Believing in Christ alone isn't what saves souls.


It seems rather awkward that an all knowing God that created all mankind and has power over life and death would create people who who would not fulfill the salvation requirements thousands of years before Jesus and then judge and punish them for it. It's the height of cruelty and wickedness.

Your last paragraph is funny though.
Acts (24:15) says👇

And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”

Those who have died without the opportunity of knowing of Jesus, will be resurrected to earth and be given that opportunity during the thousand-year millennial reign of God’s Kingdom.

Kingosytex:
➜Going back and forth on a particular issue has the tendency to wear me out.
Firstly, you asked if those who were dead in Christ would be raised, I answered in the negative because not only the believers shall be raised.
There is no other power at play here. 'My sheep hear my voice...' does not in any way denote that only the believer shall be raised. In fact, it signifies Jesus's role as the good shepherd, listening to HIM with obedient attention leads to faith.
➜How can only the believers be raised? Prior Jesus, there was life on earth. Nobody who died before Him knew whom He was. Do you believe that Enoch, Aaron, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah, Ezekiel et al shall be condemned because they never accepted Jesus? Demons also believe in Jesus (James 2:9), but aren't saved. Believing in Christ alone isn't what saves souls.
➜It seems rather awkward that an all knowing God that created all mankind and has power over life and death would create people who who would not fulfill the salvation requirements thousands of years before Jesus and then judge and punish them for it. It's the height of cruelty and wickedness.
➜Your last paragraph is funny though.....Those who have died without the opportunity of knowing of Jesus, will be resurrected to earth and be given that opportunity during the thousand-year millennial reign of God’s Kingdom.

1. There is no other power at play...this is getting even more confusing!

Jesus Christ of Israel said He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel. And He also said that on the day in question, His Sheep would hear His voice and rise from the dead to either eternal reward or judgment. But counter to that declared by Jesus Christ Himself, you insist that Jesus Christ of Israel was mistaken in declaring that only those who hear His voice would rise. You keep insisting that Jesus Christ of Israel lied. Your take is rather that Jesus Christ of Israel would raise from the dead all beings who have ever lived regardless of whether or not they obtained Eternal Life(afterlife) before their death. Is that it?

2. But all of those whom you mentioned were righteous men of God of Israel meaning they were able to obtain Life(Eternal aka AfterLife) before their deaths. And given that Jesus Christ of Israel is the Eternal Life of God of Israel, that implies that they belonged to the flock that would be raised — the Another Sheep spoken of by Jesus Christ of Israel.

Here's a question for you. Define the following so I can better understand where you are coming from.
A. Believers
B. Non-Believers

4. Not again! So, back to the question I had asked earlier, according to the God of Israel —YHWH— and Jesus Christ of Israel, it is only those who obtain Eternal Life(afterlife)in this life that qualify to be raised from the dead. (God of Israel literally swore by His name in the book of Ezekiel that only the righteous would have Eternal Life.) But here again, you insist, against the God of Israel and against Jesus Christ of Israel, that all beings have Eternal Life(AfterLife) and would be raised from the dead. This is what is considered a contradiction and the source of the conflict is not that which is stated in Israelite Scripture but that which you instead assert.

Dtruthspeaker:
Are they the ones who created hellfire that they should tell you what it would do to a soul?

Secondly, it is only those who know that they are going to hellfire who bother and like to see know what shall happen there!

Touché.

Perhaps as a heavenly candidate, I should be more concerned about God's kingdom and His righteousness

Dtruthspeaker:
So did Hamas mock until the began to wail. Everyday for the criminal but Judgment only needs one day.

Humanitarian crisis is Gaza very Sad. . I call for Peace

Jokerman:
Touché.

Perhaps as a heavenly candidate, I should be more concerned about God's kingdom and His righteousness

That is how we pursue and the achieve what we want!

No normal. person went to school pondering about how horrible life will be if he failed his exams! We all concentrated at passing the exams and looked forward to getting employment, buying a car, buying gifts for our parents and guardians, getting married, buying a house, raising children, you see the direction it went.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is how we pursue and the achieve what we want!

No normal. person went to school pondering about how horrible life will be if he failed his exams! We all concentrated at passing the exams and looked forward to getting employment, buying a car, buying gifts for our parents and guardians, getting married, buying a house, raising children, you see the direction it went.

Yes.

But we must also keep in constant reminder of consequences of going astray.