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Gabrielshow24:
Satan according to Job, came along with the sons of God presenting themselves before God.

This simple story depicts
1) He wasn't in heaven but used the occasion to come before God
2) it negates your statement of him being in Heaven!
Why would he need to present himself if he were already there!?

Satan can appear before God to accuse the brethren. He also roams the earth. He still has his place in heaven as revelation 12 plainly states.

So whenever an Angel appears on earth, does it automatically mean they were cast out of heaven?

Think man, think!

Gabrielshow24:
This doesn't make any sense!
Your derision is baseless.



17 alludes to the fact that satan couldn't consume the Son hence he turned his attention towards the "woman" and "the rest of her offspring"!

You act as if since the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ that christians have not been persecuted!

It's just 1260days and if I were to commit your ludicrous fallacies, I might as well say "take out 1260dwys from 2000+years"

That's exactly what you are doing!
The bible doesn't give an exact physical timeframe for all these too occur.

Is it literal 1260days?
or some metaphorical 1260days?

I enumerated this to show you the fallacies you are committing.

So are you telling us Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven before Israel even existed?

Or are you telling us the woman in Revelation 12 represents mankind rather than Israel? Either choice you make will still see your argument fall apart.

Gabrielshow24:
From old testaments we see them paint a lovely picture of Lucifer until Corruption was found in him!

And thus the old serpent of old must have fallen from God before man fell.

It's a simple logical consequence.
If the cherub called Lucifer was still good he won't seek the downfall of man but the fact that he sought and accomplished the downfall of man says something about his state!

Put the bible verses from the Old Testament that shows Satan fell from heaven, by the time we are done reading it, you will see how it has been interpreted out of context. And by the way, where did the scripture ever give the title Lucifer to Satan? 🤷

Gabrielshow24:
Yes, most scholars and theologians hold that satan had already fallen but his ultimate fall is yet to come!

That's what you don't understand!

The war in heaven is yet to happen.
Satan and his angels still have their place in heaven
The woman has not been chased into the wilderness where she will receive protection from God for 1,260 days.
There are spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms as plainly written in Ephesians 6 v 12
The great tribulation is yet to happen. It happens after Satan and his Angels are kicked out of heaven. Read Revelation 12 v 17 and the entirety of Revelation 13.


These are the things you should understand.

Gabrielshow24:
It's not a buzzword it shows your fallacy is based on lack of evidence and you are using the existence of lack of evidence to draw an inherent and faulty conclusion!

Now tell me when in the future this is to occur?

Many before you have said "2000s" some even said "2014" where are they now? most of them are dead, with failed statements!

Now with all your wisdom and discernment tell me when this is to occur!!!

You just made a baseless claim, saying "in the future" and yet you have the guts to tell me to provide exactness of when it occurred.

Now to answer the question.
I stated from my initial write-up that the most predominant view is that the woman is Israel although some believe it's mankind.

How the did I change post?
I established it from the beginning.

Satan and his Angels will be cast out of heaven shortly before the great tribulation.

Read Revelation 12 v 12, he comes to earth with great fury knowing his time is short. And to confirm this, the great tribulation happens in Revelation 12 v 17 and Revelation 13.


Unless you’re also telling us the great tribulation is not a future event hmmm?

OkCornel:
Satan can appear before God to accuse the brethren. He also roams the earth. He still has his place in heaven as revelation 12 plainly states.

So whenever an Angel appears on earth, does it automatically mean they were cast out of heaven?

Think man, think!

Your statement is fallacious and in no wise addresses the statement at hand!

"Appearance" has nothing to do with this discussion.

What you committed there is hasty generalization and you failed to distinguish between the good Angels and fallen Angels?

Without any substantial evidence you posit that because of this; then they must all be in heaven when the bible alludes to the contrary!

Gabrielshow24:
Your statement is fallacious and in no wise addresses the statement at hand!

"Appearance" has nothing to do with this discussion.

What you committed there is hasty generalization and you failed to distinguish between the good Angels and fallen Angels?

Without any substantial evidence you posit that because of this; then they must all be in heaven when the bible alludes to the contrary!

1) So was Satan and his Angels cast out of heaven before Israel ever existed?

2) Has Revelation 12 v 6 happened? If yes, at what point in history did it happen?

3) Has Revelation 12 v 7-9 happened? If yes, at what point in history did this happen? And how could this possibly happen before Israel existed?

4) Has Revelation 12 v 13-16 happened? If yes, at what point in history did this happen?

5) Has Revelation 12 v 17 happened?

6) where did Satan and the sons of God present themselves before God in the book of Job?


We are patiently awaiting your answers

OkCornel:
Satan and his Angels will be cast out of heaven shortly before the great tribulation.

Read Revelation 12 v 12, he comes to earth with great fury knowing his time is short. And to confirm this, the great tribulation happens in Revelation 12 v 17 and Revelation 13.


Unless you’re also telling us the great tribulation is not a future event hmmm?

First of all, your assumption is based on direct chronological sequence but mind you; can Revelation of its own be intrepreted in a direct chronological sequence.

The answer is No!

And as a consequence you commit a fallacy of false cause where you imply without substantial evidence that Satan is still to fall!

The bible is contrary to your views in so many areas where it alludes to the fact that satan is already fallen!

Also we see clear distinction in genesis when some "certain" "sons of God" were cast out!


Secondly: the term "great tribulation" is vague some scholars might even argue that the tribulation is passed after all the bible👀 records 1260days🤦.

And as a result you commit the fallacy of hasty generalization!

Without looking at the broader context in the bible.

Even when Jesus was alive he said he saw Satan fall like lightning.

Doesn't wisdom not dictate that the broader context should be examined!

I can as well say that👀 Satan has been cast out already because Jesus said so🧐 and is Jesus a liar?

Do you see the fallacies you are committing?

Gabrielshow24:
First of all, your assumption is based on direct chronological sequence but mind you; can Revelation of its own be intrepreted in a direct chronological sequence.

The answer is No!

And as a consequence you commit a fallacy of false cause where you imply without substantial evidence that Satan is still to fall!

The bible is contrary to your views in so many areas where it alludes to the fact that satan is already fallen!

Also we see clear distinction in genesis when some "certain" "sons of God" were cast out!


Secondly: the term "great tribulation" is vague some scholars might even argue that the tribulation is passed after all the bible👀 records 1260days🤦.

And as a result you commit the fallacy of hasty generalization!

Without looking at the broader context in the bible.

Even when Jesus was alive he said he saw Satan fall like lightning.

Doesn't wisdom not dictate that the broader context should be examined!

I can as well say that👀 Satan has been cast out already because Jesus said so🧐 and is Jesus a liar?

Do you see the fallacies you are committing?

So are you telling us the dragon and his angels were cast out of heaven prior to when Israel ever existed thus invalidating the order of events in Revelation 12 v 1-6? Hmmm?


When Jesus was alive, did he mention Satan AND HIS ANGELS fell from heaven like lightening hmmm?

OkCornel:
1) So was Satan and his Angels cast out of heaven before Israel ever existed?

2) Has Revelation 12 v 6 happened? If yes, at what point in history did it happen?

3) Has Revelation 12 v 7-9 happened? If yes, at what point in history did this happen? And how could this possibly happen before Israel existed?

4) Has Revelation 12 v 13-16 happened? If yes, at what point in history did this happen?

5) Has Revelation 12 v 17 happened?

6) where did Satan and the sons of God present themselves before God in the book of Job?


We are patiently awaiting your answers

Gabrielshow24, we are still awaiting your answers to these questions.

OkCornel:
1) So was Satan and his Angels cast out of heaven before Israel ever existed?

2) Has Revelation 12 v 6 happened? If yes, at what point in history did it happen?

3) Has Revelation 12 v 7-9 happened? If yes, at what point in history did this happen? And how could this possibly happen before Israel existed?

4) Has Revelation 12 v 13-16 happened? If yes, at what point in history did this happen?

5) Has Revelation 12 v 17 happened?

6) where did Satan and the sons of God present themselves before God in the book of Job?


We are patiently awaiting your answers

6)Job 1:6🤦
5)this is fallacy of oversimplification!
Where you try to fit revelation's narrative to a chronological and physical timeline!

Negating the fact that the bible has symbolic meanings and interpretations.

Hence like I said, you committed hasty generalization!
Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 suggests otherwise!

4)like I your myopic incompetence always wants to fit a circle into a square to fit your dispositions. The verse of it own self is not time satisfying, some might even call it semi-vague and it's subject to numerous interpretation some consider the persecution of the church other of the Israel, some might even say the torment of Mankind by demons (spiritual warfare).

Hence there is no agreed upon consensus as to what the verse denote but your ignorance wants to fit the verse into your presuppositions!

3)once again you commit a fallacy, the fallacy of circular reasoning because you presuppose the existence of Israel to be a criteria for such an event and it negates the symbolic nature of revelation!

2)you make an error that suggests "the apocalyptic verse" should have an historical marker!

You tell me what the marker should be!
Because you don't have an iota of when this things should happen you posit it's yet to happen!
Some theologians might argue it's already been fulfilled in the circumstances of Mary's flight to Egypt!

While others like you suggests a prophetic event hence once again I state
Revelation is a book that addresses
"WHAT IS, WHAT WAS AND WHAT IS TO COME". not necessarily in that order!

Lastly, you commit a the fallacy of false dilemma which implies that there are only two options: either Satan was cast out before Israel existed, or he was not. It does not consider other possibilities, such as the nature of spiritual events that may not be bound by human timelines.

OkCornel:
So are you telling us the dragon and his angels were cast out of heaven prior to when Israel ever existed thus invalidating the order of events in Revelation 12 v 1-6? Hmmm?


When Jesus was alive, did he mention Satan AND HIS ANGELS fell from heaven like lightening hmmm?

Am beginning to see that you already have an epistemic closure!

Infact I brought out that flow to show your flaw in reasoning!

You seem to forget the even in verse 4 of that same chapter it alludes to the fact that Satan(Dragon) had already cast down one third of the stars to the earth!

All these are to show your theological flaws and the hasty generalizations you are committing here and there!

FYI: IF JESUS SAID SATAN FELL THEN HE FELL; HIS WORDS ARE THE SUPREME AUTHORITY!🤦

am reflecting your logic back to you.
See your flaws and change!

I could as well argue that where/when historically did 1/3 of the stars of heaven fall? 👀

OkCornel:
thus invalidating the order of events in Revelation

This is your first fallacy.
You assume a chronological and sequential interpretation of the text.

I dare you to say that the Book of Revelation is indeed chronological!

Gabrielshow24:
6)Job 1:6🤦

Smh, did Job 1 v 6 happen in heaven? Or where exactly did this happen!

Gabrielshow24:
5)this is fallacy of oversimplification!
Where you try to fit revelation's narrative to a chronological and physical timeline!

Negating the fact that the bible has symbolic meanings and interpretations.

Are you telling us Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven before Revelation 12 v 1-6 happened? Thus invalidating Revelation 12 v 7-8?

Gabrielshow24:
Hence like I said, you committed hasty generalization!
Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 suggests otherwise!

Kindly read Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 for proper context.

1) How does a prophecy against the King of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 have anything to do with Satan being cast out of heaven?

2) Are you also telling us Satan will die a violent death in Ezekiel 28 v 8 & 10?

3) Are you also telling us Satan would be burn to ashes in Ezekiel 28 v 18?

Now let’s examine Isaiah 14:

1) How does a taunt against the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14 v 4 automatically translate to Satan being cast out of heaven?

2) Does Satan have a tomb in Isaiah 14 v 19?

3) Is Satan now a man in Isaiah 14 v 16-17?

Gabrielshow24:
4)like I your myopic incompetence always wants to fit a circle into a square to fit your dispositions. The verse of it own self is not time satisfying, some might even call it semi-vague and it's subject to numerous interpretation some consider the persecution of the church other of the Israel, some might even say the torment of Mankind by demons (spiritual warfare).

Hence there is no agreed upon consensus as to what the verse denote but your ignorance wants to fit the verse into your presuppositions!

You haven’t still said anything useful. Has Revelation 12 v 13-16 happened? If yes, when did this happen?!

Gabrielshow24:
3)once again you commit a fallacy, the fallacy of circular reasoning because you presuppose the existence of Israel to be a criteria for such an event and it negates the symbolic nature of revelation!

Again, you haven’t said anything useful.
Who does the woman in Revelation 12 represent? And if it’s Israel, kindly explain to us how Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven prior to when Israel ever existed!

Gabrielshow24:
2)you make an error that suggests "the apocalyptic verse" should have an historical marker!

You tell me what the marker should be!
Because you don't have an iota of when this things should happen you posit it's yet to happen!
Some theologians might argue it's already been fulfilled in the circumstances of Mary's flight to Egypt!

While others like you suggests a prophetic event hence once again I state
Revelation is a book that addresses
"WHAT IS, WHAT WAS AND WHAT IS TO COME". not necessarily in that order!

So are you telling us Revelation 12 v 6 already happened when Mary fled with Jesus to Egypt?! 🤷

And are there any historical records showing us that Mary and Jesus spent 1,260 days in Egypt? 🤷

Or are you telling us it’s a future event yet to happen. You really seem confused and all over the place.

Gabrielshow24:
Lastly, you commit a the fallacy of false dilemma which implies that there are only two options: either Satan was cast out before Israel existed, or he was not. It does not consider other possibilities, such as the nature of spiritual events that may not be bound by human timelines.

So the author of Revelation 12 was confused in saying that Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven after the woman in Revelation 12 gave birth to the child that would rule the nations with an iron sceptre? 🤷

Or you are telling us Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven before the creation of earth and mankind 😂. Please humour me some more

OkCornel:
So are you telling us Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven before Israel even existed?

Or are you telling us the woman in Revelation 12 represents mankind rather than Israel? Either choice you make will still see your argument fall apart.




Put the bible verses from the Old Testament that shows Satan fell from heaven, by the time we are done reading it, you will see how it has been interpreted out of context. And by the way, where did the scripture ever give the title Lucifer to Satan? 🤷



The war in heaven is yet to happen.
Satan and his angels still have their place in heaven

.
There are spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms as plainly written in Ephesians 6 v 12
The great tribulation is yet to happen. It happens after Satan and his Angels are kicked out of heaven. Read Revelation 12 v 17 and the entirety of Revelation 13.


These are the things you should understand.

This is your typical case of hasty generalization!

Your statement asserts that the woman has not been chased into the wilderness without providing sufficient context or evidence to support this claim. You assume that because there is no clear historical event that matches this description, it must not have happened at all.

Infact you commit another fallacy;
Exactness fallacy!

And you negate the fact once again that Revelation just like Daniel's book is apocalyptic and highly symbolic!

The woman has not been chased into the wilderness where she will receive protection from God for 1,260 days

Gabrielshow24:
Am beginning to see that you already have an epistemic closure!

Infact I brought out that flow to show your flaw in reasoning!

You seem to forget the even in verse 4 of that same chapter it alludes to the fact that Satan(Dragon) had already cast down one third of the stars to the earth!

All these are to show your theological flaws and the hasty generalizations you are committing here and there!

FYI: IF JESUS SAID SATAN FELL THEN HE FELL; HIS WORDS ARE THE SUPREME AUTHORITY!🤦

am reflecting your logic back to you.
See your flaws and change!

I could as well argue that where/when historically did 1/3 of the stars of heaven fall? 👀

Oh… so Jesus said Satan fell from heaven like lightening when Jesus was still alive. You also told us earlier that Satan fell from heaven and referred us to the book of genesis.

So according to your logic, Satan was cast out of heaven multiple times hmmm? 🤨

Yet we still have spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms even after Jesus ascended to heaven in Ephesians 6 v 12? Please humour me some more.

Gabrielshow24:
This is your typical case of hasty generalization!

Your statement asserts that the woman has not been chased into the wilderness without providing sufficient context or evidence to support this claim. You assume that because there is no clear historical event that matches this description, it must not have happened at all.

Infact you commit another fallacy;
Exactness fallacy!

And you negate the fact once again that Revelation just like Daniel's book is apocalyptic and highly symbolic!

Oya provide us evidence that the woman has already been chased into the wilderness and spent 1,260 days there! Provide historical and scriptural evidence. We are patiently waiting.

And if you claim it was when Mary and baby Jesus fled to Egypt, I thought Revelation 12 said the child was caught up to heaven after which the dragon chased only the woman into the wilderness hmmm? 🤨


You go turn this amala tire. I get your time

Gabrielshow24:
This is your first fallacy.
You assume a chronological and sequential interpretation of the text.

I dare you to say that the Book of Revelation is indeed chronological!

I dare you to tell us Satan was cast out of heaven multiple times.

I dare you to tell us Revelation 12 happened before the creation of earth and mankind.

I dare you to tell us the great tribulation is not a future event.

I dare you to tell us there are no longer spiritual forces of evil operating in the heavenly realms as written in Ephesians 6 v 12

OkCornel:
Smh, did Job 1 v 6 happen in heaven? Or where exactly did this happen!

First of all, I don't whether you are versed in the bible or not.
How can you ask such a sheepish question?
Where is God?
And where is his seat of Power?

Are you telling us Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven before Revelation 12 v 1-6 happened? Thus invalidating Revelation 12 v 7-8?

You just want to fit your preconceived narrative, I commend you for your dogmatism but when it bothers on false doctrine it's foolishness.

Like I said before there are verses that suggest that Satan was cast out of heaven!

But his ultimate fall is yet to come!

Kindly read Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 24 for proper context.

1) How does a prophecy against the King of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 have anything to do with Satan being cast out of heaven?

2) Are you also telling us Satan will die a violent death in Ezekiel 28 v 8 & 10?

3) Are you also telling us Satan would be burn to ashes in Ezekiel 28 v 18?

Now let’s examine Isaiah 24. Where exactly does it state anything about Satan being cast out of heaven before?

This above is a false attempt to appeal to literal existence of the word where you of all people should know the bible is filled with symbolism!

The main take home is the prideful boast of an Angel that wanted to be like God and was brought down!

Also the records that both death, hell, the devil and all his followers will be cast into a lake of fire so as violent deaths go, that is a terrible way to go!

You haven’t still said anything useful. Has Revelation 12 v 13-16 happened? If yes, when did this happen?!

The bible is not specific on these verse and its subject to both textual and symbolic interpretation!

So as far as it goes you didn't answer my question as regards when in the future it is happen since you are all about exactness!

You tell me!🤦
You don't know but your assumption is that it's still to come!

Again, you haven’t said anything useful.
Who does the woman in Revelation 12 represent? And if it’s Israel, kindly explain to us how Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven prior to when Israel ever existed!

Have talked about this before where I mentioned the serpent was mentioned in the Genesis!

Far before any country or Nation was formed!

"JESUS when referring to the pharisees said they were just like their father, Satan which was a liar/murderer from the BEGINNING!"

So are you telling us Revelation 12 v 6 already happened when Mary fled with Jesus to Egypt?! 🤷

And are there any historical records showing us that Mary and Jesus spent 1,260 days in Egypt? 🤷


Or are you telling us it’s a future event yet to happen. You really seem confused and all over the place.


So the author of Revelation 12 was confused in saying that Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven after the woman in Revelation 12 gave birth to the child that would rule the nations with an iron sceptre? 🤷

Or you are telling us Satan and his Angels were cast out of heaven before the creation of earth and mankind 😂. Please humour me some more

OkCornel:
I dare you to tell us Satan was cast out of heaven multiple times.

I dare you to tell us Revelation 12 happened before the creation of earth and mankind.

I dare you to tell us the great tribulation is not a future event.

I dare you to tell us there are no longer spiritual forces of evil operating in the heavenly realms as written in Ephesians 6 v 12

Are you this naive?
Where the Paul say the spirit took him to? 🤦

OkCornel:
Oya provide us evidence that the woman has already been chased into the wilderness and spent 1,260 days there! Provide historical and scriptural evidence. We are patiently waiting.

And if you claim it was when Mary and baby Jesus fled to Egypt, I thought Revelation 12 said the child was caught up to heaven after which the dragon chased only the woman into the wilderness hmmm? 🤨


You go turn this amala tire. I get your time

Read that write up was that what I posited. 🤦
You don't have understanding at all.
I brought other scholarly interpretations and reflected the logical flaws you are committing back at you!

In order to show you that the particular verse is subject to varying interpretations!

OkCornel:
Oh… so Jesus said Satan fell from heaven like lightening when Jesus was still alive. You also told us earlier that Satan fell from heaven and referred us to the book of genesis.

So according to your logic, Satan was cast out of heaven multiple times hmmm? 🤨

Yet we still have spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms even after Jesus ascended to heaven in Ephesians 6 v 12? Please humour me some more.

This is straw man fallacy!
Misrepresenting what I said!
I brought Jesus case to show you that you didn't take that into account in your initial premise!!!

Stop showing your folly and logical incompetence for the world to see!

Also a sane person can use the supreme Authority of God's word to conclude the Satan was cast out during Jesus' time!!!

This is to reflect your logical flaws back at you!
And I added in that same exegesis that wisdom dictates that context should be used to arrive at doctrinal conclusions!

Gabrielshow24:
First of all, I don't whether you are versed in the bible or not.
How can you ask such a sheepish question?
Where is God?
And where is his seat of Power?

The real question you should be asking yourself is how Satan can still present himself alongside with other sons of God if he no longer has a place in heaven and has been cast out. Are you this slow in figuring things out? 🤷

Gabrielshow24:
You just want to fit your preconceived narrative, I commend you for your dogmatism but when it bothers on false doctrine it's foolishness.

Like I said before there are verses that suggest that Satan was cast out of heaven!

But his ultimate fall is yet to come!

Awwwn, so in other words, you’re telling us Satan was cast out of heaven multiple times but somehow still consistently accuses the saint 👉before God👈 in Revelation 12 v 10? 🤷

Gabrielshow24:
This above is a false attempt to appeal to literal existence of the word where you of all people should know the bible is filled with symbolism!

The main take home is the prideful boast of an Angel that wanted to be like God and was brought down!

Also the records that both death, hell, the devil and all his followers will be cast into a lake of fire so as violent deaths go, that is a terrible way to go!


The bible is not specific on these verse and its subject to both textual and symbolic interpretation!

So as far as it goes you didn't answer my question as regards when in the future it is happen since you are all about exactness!

You tell me!🤦
You don't know but your assumption is that it's still to come!



Have talked about this before where I mentioned the serpent was mentioned in the Genesis!

Far before any country or Nation was formed!

"JESUS when referring to the pharisees said they were just like their father, Satan which was a liar/murderer from the BEGINNING!"

At the bolded, stop lying shamelessly, I already answered that here.

OkCornel:
Satan and his Angels will be cast out of heaven shortly before the great tribulation.

Read Revelation 12 v 12, he comes to earth with great fury knowing his time is short. And to confirm this, the great tribulation happens in Revelation 12 v 17 and Revelation 13.


Unless you’re also telling us the great tribulation is not a future event hmmm?

Gabrielshow24:
Read that write up was that what I posited. 🤦
You don't have understanding at all.
I brought other scholarly interpretations and reflected the logical flaws you are committing back at you!

In order to show you that the particular verse is subject to varying interpretations!

So what are you positing to us hmmm?

Satan fell out of heaven multiple times and his ultimate downfall is yet to happen?

OkCornel:
I dare you to tell us Satan was cast out of heaven multiple times.

I dare you to tell us Revelation 12 happened before the creation of earth and mankind.

I dare you to tell us the great tribulation is not a future event.

I dare you to tell us there are no longer spiritual forces of evil operating in the heavenly realms as written in Ephesians 6 v 12

🤦I see you are a nutjob and you are impervious to reason.

Even after showing you numerous logical flaws and oversimplification along with lots of facets of hasty generalization!

You claimed he is yet to be cast out!
And the bible in numerous verses suggests otherwise; as long as there is a contradictory statement, it negates your initial premise which shows your narrow mindedness and your failure to take these verses into account before capping!

Gabrielshow24:
This is straw man fallacy!
Misrepresenting what I said!
I brought Jesus case to show you that you didn't take that into account in your initial premise!!!

Stop showing your folly and logical incompetence for the world to see!

Also a sane person can use the supreme Authority of God's word to conclude the Satan was cast out during Jesus' time!!!

This is to reflect your logical flaws back at you!
And I added in that same exegesis that wisdom dictates that context should be used to arrive at doctrinal conclusions!

Bringing Jesus’ case even makes your argument more stupid.

You told us Satan was cast out of heaven and used the serpent in genesis as your proof.

Then centuries later Jesus saw this same Satan fall out of heaven like lightening?

You also quoted prophecies against the King of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 and a taunt against the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 as your evidence that Satan was already cast out of heaven?

Man, please humour me some more and tell us “these are not chronological events”

Gabrielshow24:
🤦I see you are a nutjob and you are impervious to reason.

Even after showing you numerous logical flaws and oversimplification along with lots of facets of hasty generalization!

You claimed he is yet to be cast out!
And the bible in numerous verses suggests otherwise; as long as there is a contradictory statement, it negates your initial premise which shows your narrow mindedness and your failure to take these verses into account before capping!

Who is the woman in Revelation 12 and when did the war in heaven happen hmmm? Since according to you these things already happened.

I’m also curious to know why there are still spiritual forces of evil 👉in the heavenly realms👈 in Ephesians 6 v 12 even after Jesus ascended.

Or are you implying Apostle Paul is a nut job too? 😂

OkCornel:
The real question you should be asking yourself is how Satan can still present himself alongside with other sons of God if he no longer has a place in heaven and has been cast out. Are you this slow in figuring things out? 🤷





Awwwn, so in other words, you’re telling us Satan was cast out of heaven multiple times but somehow still consistently accuses the saint 👉before God👈 in Revelation 12 v 10? 🤷




At the bolded, stop lying shamelessly, I already answered that here.

Your straw man fallacies are hopeless and pathetic.

I never for once said Satan was cast out multiple times, I allude contrary to your stance that he was already cast out!

The bible is not specific as regards the timeline but scholarly consensus suggests that it was before the events of man!

Gabrielshow24:
Your straw man fallacies are hopeless and pathetic.

I never for once said Satan was cast out multiple times, I allude contrary to your stance that he was already cast out!

The bible is not specific as regards the timeline but scholarly consensus suggests that it was before the events of man!

So when was Satan cast out of heaven?

And why do we still have spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms as written in Ephesians 6 v 12?

Or is Apostle Paul a nut job too hmmm?🤔

OkCornel:
Bringing Jesus’ case even makes your argument more stupid.

You told us Satan was cast out of heaven and used the serpent in genesis as your proof.

Then centuries later Jesus saw this same Satan fall out of heaven like lightening?

You also quoted prophecies against the King of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 and a taunt against the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 as your evidence that Satan was already cast out of heaven?

Man, please humour me some more and tell us “these are not chronological events”

It doesn't bury me but instead buried your case!
If you were paying attention then you would have seen I brought up a contradiction and exaggerated its logical implications by oversimplifying to reflect to you back your initial premise!

Which so far you haven't been able to dismiss?
Except if you want to argue Jesus was wrong!

Which either premise of mine suggests contrary to your beliefs that it has happened!

Gabrielshow24:
Your straw man fallacies are hopeless and pathetic.

I never for once said Satan was cast out multiple times, I allude contrary to your stance that he was already cast out!

The bible is not specific as regards the timeline[b] but scholarly consensus suggests that it was before the events of man[/b]!

Oh really, so the war in heaven in Revelation 12, and the protection of the women in the wilderness for 1,260 days happened before the creation of man? 🤨

OkCornel:
So when was Satan cast out of heaven?

And why do we still have spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms as written in Ephesians 6 v 12?

Or is Apostle Paul a nut job too hmmm?🤔

God forbid Apostle Paul should be a nutjob like you.

Apostle Paul said he was raised to the third heaven!

So far as that verse goes based on understanding it's not a conclusive proof to corroborate your Statement.

It just said "heavenly realms"! 🥱

Your logical flaws keep showing!

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't bury me but instead buried your case!
If you were paying attention then you would have seen I brought up a contradiction and exaggerated its logical implications by oversimplifying to reflect to you back your initial premise!

Which so far you haven't been able to dismiss?
Except if you want to argue Jesus was wrong!

Which either premise of mine suggests contrary to your beliefs that it has happened!

Lmao, so when was Satan cast out of heaven and used?

1) Before the creation of man OR

2) When Jesus spoke in Luke 10 v 18

And how do we still have spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms in Ephesians 6 v 12? Unless you’re telling us Apostle Paul is a nut job 🤷

Gabrielshow24:
God forbid Apostle Paul should be a nutjob like you.

Apostle Paul said he was raised to the third heaven!

So far as that verse goes based on understanding it's not a conclusive proof to corroborate your Statement.

It just said "heavenly realms"! 🥱

Your logical flaws keep showing!

🥱 tell us the difference between “heavenly realms” in Ephesians 6 v 12 and “their place in heaven” in Revelation 12 v 8