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Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 5:44pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
At the bolded, tell me another joke. So believers are also being persecuted to accept the mark of the beast too right?

Buhahahaha
Don't be a fool it's a logical exaggeration to show you the implications of faulty deductions from Jesus' statements.

I can use the literal and I can use the metaphorical!
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 5:46pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Certainly, it had been good for me to die before I had seen the house of God full of so many abominations, or these sacred places that ought not to be trodden upon at random, filled with the feet of these blood-shedding villains.

Josephus (Wars 4:3:10)
Nice try quoting Annanus out of context.

Now can you show us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 5:46pm On Dec 15, 2024
Once again this is not an educative debate.

With your stance this is going nowhere!

You have failed to numerously answer all the questions I have posited,

I even dared you to dismiss Jesus statement.
If you cannot then shut up and go elsewhere!

That's my own stance!!!!

Argue with JESUS!
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 5:47pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
🤦 You and circular reasoning 5 & 6!

If you were smart enough you will see what I am bringing out here.

You posited initially that I give you an historical timemark.

Here it is!
I can likewise commit the self same fallacy of exactness by showing you from the same bible that it categorically emphasizes "the DESOLATION OF THE TEMPLE"!

Which interpreted literally has been fulfilled!!!

But metaphorically because of some certain clauses and events which have not yet happened suggests a global tribulation

You claimed everything according to scriptures is chronological and sequential, now I have brought this verse of JESUS that totally destroys your premise and renders your arguments null and void.
Can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 5:47pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Once again this is not an educative debate.

With your stance this is going nowhere!

You have failed to numerously answer all the questions I have posited,

I even dared you to dismiss Jesus statement.
If you cannot then shut up and go elsewhere!

That's my own stance!!!!

Argue with JESUS!
Can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 5:49pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
Can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself as god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 5:50pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
So at what point in history did this happen?
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 5:53pm On Dec 15, 2024
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED.

35 HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 5:54pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED.

35 HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 5:55pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 5:58pm On Dec 15, 2024
[quote author=Gabrielshow24 post=133307573][/quote]Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:00pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Don't be a fool it's a logical exaggeration to show you the implications of faulty deductions from Jesus' statements.

I can use the literal and I can use the metaphorical!
Yeah, you can switch the literal and metaphorical to suit your eisegesis rather than the context of the scriptures.

How convenient.

Now can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:01pm On Dec 15, 2024
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:03pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:03pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
Yeah, you can switch the literal and metaphorical to suit your eisegesis rather than the context of the scriptures.

How convenient.

Now can you tell us who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
For your information it's exegesis not eisegesis! 🤧
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:04pm On Dec 15, 2024
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:06pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
For your information it's exegesis not eisegesis! 🤧
Eisegesis is forcing your viewpoints on the scripture which is what you’ve been doing all along, rather than let the context of the scripture interpret itself - exegesis.

That being said,

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:06pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Argue with JESUS:

15 Therefore when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:09pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
Eisegesis is forcing your viewpoints on the scripture which is what you’ve been doing all along, rather than let the context of the scripture interpret itself - exegesis.

That being said,

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Me or you 😂😂😂
When Jesus the absolute authority states that the Abomination of Desolation will happen in the generation of his recipients!

Yet some 😂 wannabe theologian says otherwise! 😂😂.

Because the verse clearly contradicts his initial sentiments 🤭

Eisegesis indeed 😁🤣
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:09pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Me or you 😂😂😂
When Jesus the absolute authority states that the Abomination of Desolation will happen in the generation of his recipients!

Yet some 😂 wannabe theologian says otherwise! 😂😂.

Because the verse clearly contradicts his initial sentiments 🤭

Eisegesis indeed 😁🤣
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

You are not the first preterist I’ve encountered, so no need getting excited as though you’ve made any point at all. This question I’ve asked you is the death blow to the preterist doctrine, they have no answers to it.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:13pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
At this point it's just dumb and I will be foolish to engage this with you.

When you are sane let me know!
We will have a proper logical discussion!

But I leave you and the world with this verse.

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34 VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. [/b]

If you like be under self DELUSION that's your cup of tea, the truth is absolute and bigger than you and I.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:14pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
At this point it's just dumb and I will be foolish to engage this with you.

When you are sane let me know!
We will have a proper logical discussion!

But I leave you and the world with this verse.

[/b]
34 VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. [/b]

If you like be under self DELUSION that's your cup of tea, the truth is absolute and bigger than you and I.
Not surprised. Preterists claim Matthew 24 has happened, and when I ask them to tell us Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4, they have absolutely no answers at all.

You are not the first and you won’t be the last.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:18pm On Dec 15, 2024
Meanwhile, the clown has no clue there are plans to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.

We are watching
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:21pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

You are not the first preterist I’ve encountered, so no need getting excited as though you’ve made any point at all. This question I’ve asked you is the death blow to the preterist doctrine, they have no answers to it.
Is that what you think? 🥱
It shows how ignorant you are!

Even from history we have that Emperor Nero actually planned to put his statue in the Holy of Holies of the Temple but died before the plan could be initiated. Roman General Titus set up Roman standards, which depicted Roman deities, in the Temple in AD 70. Those in Judea recognized the signs and escaped. Simon, the Christian Bishop of Jerusalem led the Christian community out of Judea, across the Jordan River into Perea c. AD 66

Stop capping rubbish!

Also Prior to the revolt the Roman authority acted with brutal disregard for the safety of the people; Jewish gangs known as the Scaraii actually murdered people at will.

Before finally The Jerusalem Temple was utterly destroyed by the Roman army in AD 70
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:22pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
At this point it's just dumb and I will be foolish to engage this with you.

When you are sane let me know!
We will have a proper logical discussion!

But I leave you and the world with this verse.

[/b]
34 VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. [/b]

If you like be under self DELUSION that's your cup of tea, the truth is absolute and bigger than you and I.
So Jesus returned in that generation too abi? Wonderful
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:24pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Is that what you think? 🥱
It shows how ignorant you are!

Even from history we have that Emperor Nero actually planned to put his statue in the Holy of Holies of the Temple but died before the plan could be initiated. Roman General Titus set up Roman standards, which depicted Roman deities, in the Temple in AD 70. Those in Judea recognized the signs and escaped. Simon, the Christian Bishop of Jerusalem led the Christian community out of Judea, across the Jordan River into Perea c. AD 66

Stop capping rubbish!

Also Prior to the revolt the Roman authority acted with brutal disregard for the safety of the people; Jewish gangs known as the Scaraii actually murdered people at will.

Before finally The Jerusalem Temple was utterly destroyed by the Roman army in AD 70
Did Roman General Titus declare himself god in the Temple bearing in mind he has a boss in the name of Emperor Vespasian hmmm? So Titus committed insubordination by declaring himself god in the Temple?

I’m awaiting your response, because 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4 specifically mentions the man of lawlessness will declare himself god in the Temple.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:26pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
So Jesus returned in that generation too abi? Wonderful
Are you this dull?
Hence for Jesus to say all these will not pass relates to the details of the Fall of the temple which was in the generation of his followers!

And he quotes:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

From Jesus' words tribulation must first occur then his coming!

That's why I have been using literally correspondents against you!

There is your historical timemark!!!
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:27pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Is that what you think? 🥱
It shows how ignorant you are!

Even from history we have that Emperor Nero actually planned to put his statue in the Holy of Holies of the Temple but died before the plan could be initiated. Roman General Titus set up Roman standards, which depicted Roman deities, in the Temple in AD 70. Those in Judea recognized the signs and escaped. Simon, the Christian Bishop of Jerusalem led the Christian community out of Judea, across the Jordan River into Perea c. AD 66

Stop capping rubbish!

Also Prior to the revolt the Roman authority acted with brutal disregard for the safety of the people; Jewish gangs known as the Scaraii actually murdered people at will.

Before finally The Jerusalem Temple was utterly destroyed by the Roman army in AD 70
I love this your pseudo history. So Titus set up standards in the Temple that accidentally caught fire before the Romans invaded and looted it abi?
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:28pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Are you this dull?
Hence for Jesus to say all these will not pass relates to the details of the Fall of the temple which was in the generation of his followers!

And he quotes:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

From Jesus' words tribulation must first occur then his coming!

That's why I have been using literally correspondents against you!

There is your historical timemark!!!
Did Jesus return in that generation?


Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by Gabrielshow24: 6:28pm On Dec 15, 2024
OkCornel:
Did Roman General Titus declare himself god in the Temple bearing in mind he has a boss in the name of Emperor Vespasian hmmm?

I’m awaiting your response, because 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4 specifically mentions the man of lawlessness will declare himself god in the Temple.
Where did you get roman General Titus declaration of god🤦?

Your misrepresentation is too alarming.
Read the statement and see what I said General Titus did! 👀

Totally off point!
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:29pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
Where did you get roman General Titus declaration of god🤦?

Your misrepresentation is too alarming.
Read the statement and see what I said General Titus did! 👀

Totally off point!
So who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4? If it’s not Titus

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.
Re: From Heaven They Descended Into Hell — Then Lucifer Reacted by OkCornel(m): 6:33pm On Dec 15, 2024
Gabrielshow24 you are not the first preterist I’ve encountered and your argument is most pitiable of them all.

Just this question all preterists around the world have failed to answer:

Who fulfilled the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and declared himself god in the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 3-4?

Give us the name of the person and the year it happened.

And you’re grasping at all sorts of straws to stay afloat. I get your time. You go entertain me wella.
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