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The Internet has been vibrating about a recent banner in front of Lekki Central Mosque.


What that mosque printed is true and violates no authentic Scriptural beliefs. It only offended church dogma, which are ideas that emanate from a congregation rather than Scripture.

Yeshua, Whom you call Jesus, is not God. It is an abomination to call Him God. He is the Way to God-John 14:6. But He is not the Destination. There is only One God, and He has no equal or partner-Deuteronomy 6:4.

It is that One God who sits on the Throne, and He is above Yeshua-John 14:28. Yeshua never called Himself God. John 1:1 does not mean He is God. He Himself prayed to God-Matthew 27:46, Matthew 26:39, John 11:41-42. Yeshua is also subject to God-1 Corinthians 15:28.

Finally, if you say, 'I do not believe in prophet Muhammad's message', no Muslim will be offended. But if you insult their prophet, they may find out your true identity (your identity here is obviously fake), take action, and I will NOT condemn them!

Thanks again, and may God give us wisdom.

Obviously

Jesus is not God what the scriptures said is the Christ (Messiah) will be called "mighty God" {Isaiah 9:6} so when apostle John penned down the words found written in the Bible book of John 1:1 he was referring to a prophecy that says:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him" Deuteronomy 18:18

The above is what God told Moses and Peter the apostle confirmed that Jesus fulfilled that prophecy {Act 3:22} because Moses was the first Israelite given supernatural powers like a God {Exodus 7:1} therefore the prophet who is coming in the same manner will be given such supernatural power like a God! Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1

But both Moses and Jesus had to spend forty days and forty nights without food or water in the presence of the only true God who can sustain life without food! Exodus 34:28; Matthew 4:2; Luke 4:4

The most high God who sent both Moses and Jesus is called JEHOVAH! Psalms 83:18

Much of What We Call Christianity Has Nothing To Do With Jesus

The word Christ is not a Hebrew word. Yeshua, Whom some call Jesus, was NEVER called Christ in His Earthly lifetime. Please, instead of arguing, criticising, or insulting me, take a break from the spell cast upon you by your pastor and his church and simply fact-check me. Understand your religion and know your faith so you can have accurate beliefs.

Throughout His Life on Earth, Yeshua was recorded as speaking Aramaic Hebrew-Mark 15:34.

And He was called either Rabbi (John 1:38, John 11:8, etc), which is Hebrew for teacher.

The word Christos, which is spelt χριστός in Koine Greek, was used because ALL four Gospels, beginning with the oldest (Mark), were written to a Greek audience more than sixty years after Yeshua, left this world.

Mark was written about 63 years after Yeshua left the Earth. The other Gospels came later, and guess what, their authors are anonymous. Yes. They will not tell you this.

We do not know who wrote these other Gospels apart from Mark. Some also argue about the authorship of Mark. But I believe he wrote it.

Even the present book of Mark, which many Bibles have, is inaccurate. Why? Because the original book of Mark ends in Mark 16:8.

Before you accuse me of being demon-possessed, just research and fact-check me. Don't just follow me or any pastor, priest or church blindly.

Matthew may or may not have been written by Matthew. It was only attributed to Matthew two hundred years after Yeshua left this world. Before you insult me, fact-check me.

The Book of Luke was ascribed to Luke, but nobody knows for sure who wrote it since the original copies do not exist. What we have are various copies, which vary. The book of Luke you find in the King James Version, for example, will differ from the book of Luke used in Orthodox churches.

The Book of John was written after the Books of Mark and Luke. Again, nobody knows who wrote it. Ascribing the book to John is actually a tradition, not a fact. Because of John 21:24–25, it is likely that someone else wrote it.

But the more important thing is that it is not known whether the original John (whose actual name is Yohanan) could speak, read, and write in Greek. It is possible that a miracle gave him that ability.

What is the point of all this? It is to let you know that Yeshua, Whom you call Jesus, was never a Christian. He was a Jew, and even these Gospels record that in John 4:22. Peter, believed to be His successor, was also never a Christian. He self-identified as Jewish in Acts 10:28.

Finally, Paul was never a Christian. He stated boldly that He was a Jew in Acts 22:3. This is long after his Damascus experience.

The word Christian was not used as a name of a religion until it was given as a nickname by local people in Antioch-Acts 11:26. In that context, it was used as either a noun or verb to describe the act of being like Yeshua, who was called Christos in Greek. Being like Yeshua involves believing in what He believed, not what any church believes.

Therefore, when you see anything in Christianity that deviates from Judaism, such as Trinity, Christmas, Easter, purgatory, etc., try to research the origins of those beliefs and practices.

I did not say you should not believe them. I said you should research it. You. Not me, or your pastor, or your church. You!

Yeshua did not change any Jewish Law. He lived and died by them. The actual historical Yeshua did not call Himself God. In fact, He used the term 'My God' frequently-John 20:17.

And finally, for those who think being Jewish is a race, you may want to research the subject.

The Earthly race of Yeshua and His disciples was Hebrew. Their Earthly religion was Judaism.

The words Christ, Christian, Trinity, Purgatory, etc do not emanate from Yeshua or His disciples. They came AFTER He left this world.

Now, you have two choices: Refuse to fact-check me and insult me, or research the above and appreciate the truth.

Yeshua, whom we call Jesus, was not and is not God. It is an abomination to call Him God. You may not know that now, because your church doctrines have taken you in that direction and you are so immersed in dogma that you have tunnel vision. But we will all die and give an account to God. So, it is worth taking time to get ready before that day.

There is only One God, who sits on the Throne. He has no partner or equal. Yeshua, whom you call Jesus, is SUBJECT to Him, OBEYS Him, and even PRAYS to Him: Yeshua is the means to get to God. But He is not God and can NEVER be God. There is no Trinity. And this is why I encourage believers to do two things. The first is to read Scripture in its original language and to travel.

We do not know all the facts. God has kept them from us. And we will not add to what He has revealed to us.

Scripture was not written in English. What you have in English is a highly edited European document that has been substantially adulterated to take into account European paganism and occultism, which has its origin in ancient Egypt.

For example, Yeshua (Jesus) did not even die on the Cross. The word Cross is not even in the original Bible.

The word used in the original Greek Scripture is staurō, which may mean a pole or a stake, or the word xylou, which means tree. Read Galatians 3:13 if you really want to know the truth. The translators of the King James Version forgot their instructions and omitted to change the word. And so, that particular verse uses the word ‘Tree’ to indicate where Yeshua (Jesus); died. The NIV uses the word ‘Pole’.'

The original Koine Greek word used in Matthew 16:24 is stauron. And please don't take my word for it. Research it by yourself. The word stauron is an adjective of stauro.

I have been in the tomb of Pharaoh Tutankhamun in Egypt. The Cross and the Trinity are there. They predate Christianity and are a HIGHLY occult symbol.

What you call a Cross is known in the occult as an Ankh. It was a symbol of eternal life in ancient Egypt. I have attached a photo of the Theban Trinity. I saw it myself in Egypt. You will see Amun and Mut with their son Khonsu. Wisdom, what are they holding in their hands?

There is no Trinity. The word and concept do not exist in Scripture. And Moses warned us about the abomination of the Trinity in Deuteronomy 6:4:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

As for where Yeshua was born, He was born in Roman-ruled Palestine. The word Palestine is precisely the same word as the Philistine you see in the first five books of Scripture called the Pentateuch. Specifically, he was born in Roman-ruled Palestine, in the Tetrarch governed by Herod.

He was a Jewish Rabbi who never wrote a book and never traveled outside Roman ruled Palestine and Egypt. The Gospels were all written long after He died, with the earliest (Mark) written 65 years after His demise. First Thessalonians and Galatians were written before the Gospels.

And historical records from that time still exist. Israel, as a country, did not exist when Yeshua was born. What is happening to the Palestinians today is almost exactly what the Romans did to the Hebrews during the time of Yeshua's human existence on Earth.

Go and read Scripture by yourself. Assume I am a liar. Assume your church lied to you. Get Scripture in the original language, if possible, and read it for yourself.

Thanks again, and may God bless you.

#TableShaker

The Lagos State government should go and remove the banner, lock the mosque and arrest the Imam for trying to incite violent and cause public disturbance in Lagos State.

You're missing a lot!

Jesus was called "CHRIST" during his earthly life but it's language that makes the difference.

For instance the title CHRIST is the same as MESSIAH or ANOINTED ONE.

CHRIST is Greek language.
MESSIAH is Hebrew language.
ANOINTED is English language.

So the three means the same thing it's just the language barrier.

And Paul WAS a Judaist who later converted to Christianity!

Crap arguments above.^^^
They cherry pick scriptures but will not wind together the scriptures to get a full picture.

When he said,I and My Father are One(John 10:30) ,they won't see that.

thorpido:
Crap arguments above.^^^
They cherry pick scriptures but will not wind together to scriptures to get a full picture.

When he said,I and My Father are One ,they won't see that.

Well God, Jesus and Christians are One too! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
Well God, Jesus and Christians are One too! John 17:22

Yes,but did you read the full chapter of this John 17 to understand where the 'oneness' in verse 22 came from?

seguntijan:
Yeshua, whom we call Jesus, was not and is not God. It is an abomination to call Him God. You may not know that now, because your church doctrines have taken you in that direction and you are so immersed in dogma that you have tunnel vision. But we will all die and give an account to God. So, it is worth taking time to get ready before that day.

There is only One God, who sits on the Throne. He has no partner or equal. Yeshua, whom you call Jesus, is SUBJECT to Him, OBEYS Him, and even PRAYS to Him: Yeshua is the means to get to God. But He is not God and can NEVER be God. There is no Trinity. And this is why I encourage believers to do two things. The first is to read Scripture in its original language and to travel.

We do not know all the facts. God has kept them from us. And we will not add to what He has revealed to us.

Scripture was not written in English. What you have in English is a highly edited European document that has been substantially adulterated to take into account European paganism and occultism, which has its origin in ancient Egypt.

For example, Yeshua (Jesus) did not even die on the Cross. The word Cross is not even in the original Bible.

The word used in the original Greek Scripture is staurō, which may mean a pole or a stake, or the word xylou, which means tree. Read Galatians 3:13 if you really want to know the truth. The translators of the King James Version forgot their instructions and omitted to change the word. And so, that particular verse uses the word ‘Tree’ to indicate where Yeshua (Jesus); died. The NIV uses the word ‘Pole’.'

The original Koine Greek word used in Matthew 16:24 is stauron. And please don't take my word for it. Research it by yourself. The word stauron is an adjective of stauro.

I have been in the tomb of Pharaoh Tutankhamun in Egypt. The Cross and the Trinity are there. They predate Christianity and are a HIGHLY occult symbol.

What you call a Cross is known in the occult as an Ankh. It was a symbol of eternal life in ancient Egypt. I have attached a photo of the Theban Trinity. I saw it myself in Egypt. You will see Amun and Mut with their son Khonsu. Wisdom, what are they holding in their hands?

There is no Trinity. The word and concept do not exist in Scripture. And Moses warned us about the abomination of the Trinity in Deuteronomy 6:4:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

As for where Yeshua was born, He was born in Roman-ruled Palestine. The word Palestine is precisely the same word as the Philistine you see in the first five books of Scripture called the Pentateuch. Specifically, he was born in Roman-ruled Palestine, in the Tetrarch governed by Herod.

He was a Jewish Rabbi who never wrote a book and never traveled outside Roman ruled Palestine and Egypt. The Gospels were all written long after He died, with the earliest (Mark) written 65 years after His demise. First Thessalonians and Galatians were written before the Gospels.

And historical records from that time still exist. Israel, as a country, did not exist when Yeshua was born. What is happening to the Palestinians today is almost exactly what the Romans did to the Hebrews during the time of Yeshua's human existence on Earth.

Go and read Scripture by yourself. Assume I am a liar. Assume your church lied to you. Get Scripture in the original language, if possible, and read it for yourself.

Thanks again, and may God bless you.

#TableShaker

It's funny that you wrote so much but revealed a fact that shows your ignorance about knowledge from the bolded.

Indeed we do not know all the facts but God reveals things to us..... especially people whose hearts are open to learn from Him(not people who know everything like you I quoted).

But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets. 1 Corinthians 2:10

In Exodus 6:3 God speaking said, i appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself fully known to them.

Can you see God's ways?He told Moses Abraham did not have a full knowledge of Me! That's how God is!
If you yield yourself to him to be taught of Him,He will teach you and show you many things.If however you are hung up on having all knowledge that you are unteachable,He will leave you in your ignorance.


By the way,words and names are interpreted in other languages.Saying there is no Jesus in the days the scriptures were written but Yeshua just shows you didn't 'learn' in school but copied.

In John 17:3,Jesus said,and this is life eternal,that they may know You,the only true God, and Jesus whom thou has sent...... Why did He say that they may know You? Because the one they know is NOT YOU! The One Who sent Jesus is NOT the God they know!

I pray for you that the light of God will shine upon your heart.

thorpido:
Yes,but did you read the full chapter of this John 17 to understand where the 'oneness' in verse 22 came from?

YES!
Just as you read the full chapter of John 10 to understand where the oneness in verse 30 came from!

oldguyman:
The Lagos State government should go and remove the banner, lock the mosque and arrest the Imam for trying to incite violent and cause public disturbance in Lagos State.

I must agree

Next is a church will put up a banner claiming Mohammed is not the only prophet, and war will ensue.

seguntijan:
Much of What We Call Christianity Has Nothing To Do With Jesus.

I discovered that you're born a Muslim just as i was born a Muslim too but i converted.

Try to listen when talking about what you have been taught because it will really help you a lot!

thorpido:
Crap arguments above.^^^
They cherry pick scriptures but will not wind together the scriptures to get a full picture.

When he said,I and My Father are One(John 10:30) ,they won't see that.

Well, according to English language (simple English language), are is used to separate two distinct people or things and if so, it is followed by the word, 'are'

For instance, Tinubu and Shettima are one
My wife and I are one, etc.

When Jesus said the father and himself are one, he never confused his listeners as to whether they were the same person or not.
Jesus later prayed concerning his disciples, 'May they all be one just as the father and I are one and that the disciples may be one in us. John 17:20-23

thorpido:
Crap arguments above.^^^
They cherry pick scriptures but will not wind together the scriptures to get a full picture.

When he said,I and My Father are One(John 10:30) ,they won't see that.

This verse calls Jesus God's servant:

"Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations." – Matthew 12:18

"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus." – Acts 3:13 (NIV, ESV)

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here, Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Aemmyjah:
Well, according to English language (simple English language), are is used to separate two distinct people or things and if so, it is followed by the word, 'are'

For instance, Tinubu and Shettima are one
My wife and I are one, etc.

When Jesus said the father and himself are one, he never confused his listeners as to whether they were the same person or not.
Jesus later prayed concerning his disciples, 'May they all be one just as the father and I are one and that the disciples may be one in us. John 17:20-23

Indeed he never confused His listeners because the Jews knew what He meant.

In the very next verse;
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. The Jews who heard Him(and they were religious scholars)knew what he meant and that was why they accused Him of blasphemy.He called Himself God.They knew what He meant when He said 'I and My Father are One'.

thorpido:
Crap arguments above.^^^
They cherry pick scriptures but will not wind together the scriptures to get a full picture.

When he said,I and My Father are One(John 10:30) ,they won't see that.

They would not see it

MaxInDHouse:
Well God, Jesus and Christians are One too! John 17:22

Good counter.

But, No Christian could walk on water or ascend to heaven. Wheras, Jesus did and can do everything His Father does So let us see if you can validly counter!

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thorpido:
Indeed he never confused His listeners because the Jews knew what He meant.

In the very next verse;
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. The Jews who heard Him(and they were religious scholars)knew what he meant and that was why they accused Him of blasphemy.He called Himself God.They knew what He meant when He said 'I and My Father are One'.

Precisely

Dtruthspeaker:
Good counter.
But, No Christian could walk on water or ascend to heaven. Wheras, Jesus did and can do everything His Father does So answer

"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30

So Jesus was CHOSEN to do all of that just as Moses was CHOSEN to do lots of miracles too if God wants everyone to do all that it doesn't cost Him anything the reason why Jesus did it is for us to IDENTIFY the source of divine guidance {Matthew 17:5} so that there won't be confusion {1Corinthians 14:33} if all Christians are walking on water we won't know the CHOSEN/ANOINTED/CHRIST through whom we will receive divine guidance! John 14:6

MaxInDHouse:
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I ..

So Jesus was CHOSEN to do all of that just as Moses was CHOSEN to do lots of miracles too if God wants everyone to do all that it doesn't cost Him anything the reason why Jesus did it is for us to IDENTIFY the source of divine guidance {Matthew 17:5} so that there won't be confusion {1Corinthians 14:33} [b]if all Christians are walking on water we won't know the CHOSEN/ANOINTED/CHRIST through whom we will receive divine guidance! John 14:6

Off Point!
We are not talking about how Jesus operates or why He was CHOSEN.

So clearly by your words " if all Christians are walking on water we won't know the..."

you admit and confess that Christians are not the same and one as Jesus.

So bottonline, your counter saying "Well God, Jesus and Christians are One too! John 17:22" is not valid.

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point!
We are not talking about how Jesus operates or why He was CHOSEN.
So clearly by your words " if all Christians are walking on water we won't know the..."
you admit and confess that Christians are not the same and one as Jesus.
So bottonline, your counter saying "Well God, Jesus and Christians are One too! John 17:22" is not valid.

It's OK at least Jesus himself said God, Christ and Christians are One! John 17:22

So whether you accept it or not that's what Jesus said with his own mouth and surely One is One!

seguntijan:
This verse calls Jesus God's servant:

"Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations." – Matthew 12:18

"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus." – Acts 3:13 (NIV, ESV)

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here, Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Evil bibles created to pervert and distort Truth.

The True Word is "Son". Read kjv

And Sons serve their father as shown throughout the bible called eg Abraham, Isaac, David, the prodigal son's brother who stayed home serving his father.

So, you have nothing here.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK at least Jesus himself said God, Christ and Christians are One! John 17:22

So whether you accept it or not that's what Jesus said with his own mouth and surely One is One!

Then you need to go find the meaning of one for since Jesus walked on water and no christian has done that, it therefore meant another thing when He Said those Words, so go find it's meaning.for apparently and without doubt, Christians are not the same one as Jesus, whether you accept it or not!

Dtruthspeaker:
Christians are not the same one as Jesus.

Go and argue with Jesus who said it not me!

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:" John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
Go and argue with Jesus who said it not me!

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:" John 17:22

When Jesus Said it, it was very clear and we understood what He meant hence no dispute. But when you repeated what Jesus said and gave your own understanding of it I have argued with you and you could not counter because there is no valid argument against the Truth.

So go learn what Jesus meant if you like!

Dtruthspeaker:
What Jesus Said was very clear and we understood what He meant hence no dispute. But you clearly do not hence why you have said His Words wrongfully and I have argued with you and you cannot counter because there is no valid argument against the Truth.
So go learn what Jesus meant if you like!

I and my Father ARE one. John 10:30

In English the word IS means SINGULAR but ARE means PLURAL Jesus didn't say:

I and the father IS One
Rather what he said is
I and the father ARE One
Clearly shows they are separate beings with One motive and that's what he meant when he said God , Christ and his disciples are One!

MaxInDHouse:
I and my Father ARE one. John 10:30

Did you not say this before and Ianswered you saying "Jesus did all that His Father can be do" whereas no Christian has walked on water or ascended to heaven.

So, don't let your madness rule you making you repeat yourself like a crazy person.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not say this before and Ianswered you saying "Jesus did all that His Father can be do" whereas no Christian has walked on water or ascended to heaven.
So, don't let your madness rule you making you repeat yourself like a crazy person.

No let am pain you because you can't escape through your insults today!

Miracles are God's work anyone can be chosen to do it but when it comes to ONENESS it doesn't make two different entities the same rather they agree just as Christ's disciples agree! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
No let am pain you because you can't escape through your insults today!

Miracles are God's work anyone can be chosen to do it but when it comes to ONENESS it doesn't make two different entities the same rather they agree just as Christ's disciples agree! John 17:22

Clearly your madness will always prevail hence you just must speak like a stupid mad person