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SpambotLeaveMeNa:
Yes, I've seen Benin people bearing Ada, Ossai and the likes

I don't know abt Igbo oo but in Benin, we don't give our children names that we have no meaning of...

That's not true. What is the meaning of Ossai, Ada and the likes in Bini? probably means nothing...

Let's look at Oba Akenzua daughter... She bears Elizabeth oluwo... But did u know how she got the name?... By marriage to a Yoruba person

As earlier argued here, maybe because the stool has certain links to Yorubas that all princes tend or have this tradition of marrying Yorubas. The name may not necessary stem from mother but rooted in history

Those people u are mentioning, most are born of families with two different tribes. In my dept, I have a coursemate bearing Osas Favor Seyi... He's Benin but who gave him the Yoruba name? His mother's family...
Do u think that in Igbo tradition, only the father's side name the children, what abt the mother's... Now imagine if the Igbo person married a Yoruba person, then there's a high chance of the Child bearing names from both tribes but they are not
That's how they get those names u think are part of Benin but they are not

The father names the child signifying where he is from. The mother naming the child is just frivolities meaning that's what she prefers to call the child but the formal name of the child is the one given by the father.

When I was in year 1, I had a roommate bearing Osazuwa Samuel Chukwuma... And he claims to be from Edo state.At first , I thought he was Benin, he said no, Then I asked him Igbo, he still said no...then I asked him his tribe, then he told me igbanke...that was the first time I heard of igbanke in my life...

All these are made up stories that you can hardly come across. making up stories always looks weak to me. Osazuwa chukwuma samuel. What a name.

After saying all this, let me ask u abt Rotimi Amaechi... I think Amaechi attested to being Igbo, but hearing only Rotimi in his name, won't u conclude he's Yoruba at First glance?

Also let me note that Akoko Edo are Yoruba people that stay in Edo

His formal name is chibuike Amaechi. Rotimi is just an addition not formal coz non of his brothers have such addition.


You have not given me convincing explanation.

Essential:
Never see any man as confused as an Igbo man. One day they say are Jews and the lost children of Jezebel. And the next day they will say that they miragrated from return from Benin.
Innoson motors is beta than Benz,
Aba shoes is beta than timberland,
they have more population than China.

I advise federal government to build more primary school in the East. Selling and hawking at a tender and early stage of their lives have crack their brain.

Why mentioning Innoson here?

MelesZenawi:
1)That's not true. What is the meaning of Ossai, Ada and the likes in Bini? probably means nothing...



2)As earlier argued here, maybe because the stool has certain links to Yorubas that all princes tend or have this tradition of marrying Yorubas. The name may not necessary stem from mother but rooted in history




3)The father names the child signifying where he is from. The mother naming the child is just frivolities meaning that's what she prefers to call the child but the formal name of the child is the one given by the father.



4)All these are made up stories that you can hardly come across. making up stories always looks weak to me. Osazuwa chukwuma samuel. What a name.



5)His formal name is chibuike Amaechi. Rotimi is just an addition not formal coz non of his brothers have such addition.


You have not given me convincing explanation.

1)Ohk....since U are very conversant with Benin culture...kindly tell me the meaning of Olusegun , Akerele in Benin...then I'll tell u the meaning of Ada in Benin language

2)now u are using maybe... Goan Google Elizabeth oluwo and check the results... In Benin tradition as of old, the women were not completely respected so there is a high chance of her marrying a commoner
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Elizabeth_Olowu

3) Wow...Just frivolities... So a mother cant name her child ... I won't be surprised if ur mum or her family didn't give u a name

4)Wow... Making up stories... See... I dare u to confirm... Come to Hall 3 in Uniben and ask any staylites for a guy that was beaten for stealing... Abi I should give u my other roommates number for u to confirm .. Pls how do u want me to confirm it to u... When u are chanced, look for a 300lvl Law student named Igwe Stacey Nneka and ask her whether she's Igbo... Guy see, I seriously hope u've passed through a university to be hurriedly concluding that I'm lieing to u

5)So his name is just frivolities and he added it to his official documents right... So much for frivolities

Modified ... For the roommate I told u abt .. Check his name on Facebook..
Samuel C Osazuwa .. u'll see his profile...I don't know if he's still active in Facebook ... Just ask him whether he knows anyone bearing Osazuwa like him in Hall 3 when he was a fresher in Uniben

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
1)Ohk....since U are very conversant with Benin culture...kindly tell me the meaning of Olusegun , Akerele in Benin...then I'll tell u the meaning of Ada in Benin language

Why are the names rooted and answered by many?

2)now u are using maybe... Goan Google Elizabeth oluwo and check the results... In Benin tradition as of old, the women were not completely respected so there is a high chance of her marrying a commoner
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Elizabeth_Olowu

This is part of argument with yorubas. The undeniable links.

3) Wow...Just frivolities... So a mother cant name her child ... I won't be surprised if ur mum or her family didn't give u a name

Fathe names the child. Mum's can add but not necessarily as a formal name. Just what he prefers calling the child

4)Wow... Making up stories... See... I dare u to confirm... Come to Hall 3 in Uniben and ask any staylites for a guy that was beaten for stealing... Abi I should give u my other roommates number for u to confirm .. Pls how do u want me to confirm it to u... When u are chanced, look for a 300lvl Law student named Igwe Stacey Nneka and ask her whether she's Igbo... Guy see, I seriously hope u've passed through a university to be hurriedly concluding that I'm lieing to u

That's because you guys are fond of formulating unrelated stories

5)So his name is just frivolities and he added it to his official documents right... So much for frivolities

Modified ... For the roommate I told u abt .. Check his name on Facebook..
Samuel C Osazuwa .. u'll see his profile...I don't know if he's still active in Facebook ... Just ask him whether he knows anyone bearing Osazuwa like him in Hall 3 when he was a fresher in Uniben

He speaks Bini, Yoruba and English. He is not Bini, told u he is not in Igbo or Yoruba but igbanke but couldn't write anything about igbanke at his profile that looks recently created..

Check the profile and for Christ sake the C before Osazuwa might mean any Bini or Yoruba name..

MelesZenawi:
1)Why are the names rooted and answered by many?





2)This is part of argument with yorubas. The undeniable links.





3)Fathe names the child. Mum's can add but not necessarily as a formal name. Just what he prefers calling the child



4)That's because you guys are fond of formulating unrelated stories




5)He speaks Bini, Yoruba and English. He is not Bini, told u he is not in Igbo or Yoruba but igbanke but couldn't write anything about igbanke at his profile that looks recently created..

6)Check the profile and for Christ sake the C before Osazuwa might mean any Bini or Yoruba name..

1)Since in your side, Benin pple bear Yoruba ,... In my side ..Benin also bear Igbo names... When u tell me the meaning of Olusegun, Akerele in Benin,.. I'll tell u the meaning of Ada and Ossai in my side... After all I'm a Benin person and you are not

2)so marriage to Yoruba person means undeniable links.... If u had gone through the link.. you'd have seem when it was written that she got married to her High school friend... So what does that mean? She married willingly to a Yoruba person, not a forced marriage whatsoever... So Lemme ask u , Do Igbo gals marry into Yoruba families ? If yes, using ur logic, does that mean that Igbo has undeniable links with Yoruba pple

3)Yeah ... mom can add and children decide weda to continue using the name or not... Don't u think?

4)Lol...like u guys don't formulate stories... Na wa ..see who dey play Saint for here

5)Lol...check the languages again, it was Delta, Yoruba and English
See what I want u to do, his number is on his profile but lemme tell u what I want u to confirm from him...
a) he grew up in Ibadan
b)He attended Ibadan poly
c)His father does fridges stuff

The Guy has never for once gone to his village and he said his father doesn't speak igbanke regularly ...and consider the fact that he grew up in Ibadan.. that is a huge factor in influencing his language

6)Lol... shooting urself in the leg...tell me one name in either Yoruba or Benin that starts with C

Bkayyy:
That is why our grand parents still call any black person they see on TV "onye Igbo"

Our grandparents believed that whoever that is black is onye Igbo that's why whenever you tell them story of a person they will ask, o wu onye Igbo ka o wu onye ocha.

They believed that God created just two races, the whites (ndi ocha) and the blacks (ndi Igbo). Igbo can equally be used to describe colour.

Atigba:
Ezechima, Akalaka are Idu children in Igodomigodo they are not Igbo. Igbo mean slave in our language and there are those we address as such.

Until you come back home, your ancestral home Idu. You will be rejected from every corner by the Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Anioma, Ika, Igbanke etc.

These ethnic nationalities I mentioned above are already awaken about their Idu ancestry and you will never have access to them with your fake history.They continue to reject you and your Biafra will never come.

Whatever Igbon means in your language is totally different from the actual meaning of Igbo in Igbo language. Two different words may look alike but will definitely mean different things in different languages just like ndi in Igbo and nde in Ibibio,
Chika in Igbo and Chika in Hausa,
Adili in Igbo and Adili in Fulani,
oluku in Igbo and olukumi in Yoruba,
Jide in Igbo and Jide in Yoruba
Ojo in Igbo and Ojo in Yoruba
Ayo (Ayiyo) in Igbo and Ayo in Yoruba,
Amanda in Igbo and Armanda in Spanish
Efe in Igbo and Efe in Edo
Ola in Igbo and Ola in Yoruba
Olu in Igbo and Olu in warri and Yoruba
Ekiti/etiti in Igbo and Ekiti in Yoruba
Ebele in Igbo and Ebele in ijaw
Ga'ari a in Igbo and gari in Hausa
Akwana in Igbo and Kwana in Hausa
Wawa in Igbo and Wawa in Hausa
Ichi in Igbo and itch in English
Echi in Igbo and etch in English
Guta in Igbo and gutte in German
Ato in Igbo and actor in English
Meta in Igbo and meta in English (origin: Greek)
Igbo in Igbo and Igbo in Yoruba
Achi in Igbo and Arch in English
Aki in Igbo and Akin in Yoruba/English
Apeti in Igbo and Apetitte in English
Chikasoro in Igbo and Chikasoro in Hausa
Ala in Igbo and ala in Jukun
Iwu in Igbo and Iwo in Yoruba
Chi in Igbo and inch in English
Aro in Igbo and Arrow in English
Ero in Igbo and Error in English etc.

So Igbo and Igbon are two different words in two different languages. A word might mean a particular thing in your language but totally different in another man's language and the pronunciation might equally be different or a bit similar. The Igbo word in Yoruba language means forest which is somehow similar to the meaning in Igbo language depicting people from the forest as Igbo people are known to be occupying a rainforest zone of southeastern Nigeria.

Oyibo people did not corrupt any Igbon to form Igbo rather they corrupted the original name, Igbo to be ibo, eebo, heebo and hebo.

Igbo lived more than 2,000year before the formation of Benin kingdom and evidence could be seen in the population of the people in relation to their small land. If Benin people is as old as you claim, by now they should be having more than 4 Local government or better still a state or two from their land. Benin is one of the youngest ethnic groups in southern Nigeria while based on archeological finding, Igbo is one of the oldest black nation in the whole of Africa.

Christistruth00:
It was the Ooni of Ife that had to approve the selection of the Oba of Benin and all Yoruba Obas even till today.

All beaded Crowned Obas are descendants of and are authorised by the Ooni of Ife.

The Oba of Benin wears a beaded Crown from Ile Ife.

This is my first time of seeing this history. But based on the write-up, the Portuguese was definitely referring to someone from the Igboland based on the name of the person, direction of the place of the person and the mentioning of moon as count of days. You and I know that before now Igbos count their days, month and year using the moon. Even the months in Igbo are regarded as/taken from the moon (owa).

But I fear the Yorubas, you people can twist history, and you make U-turns in order to suit what you believe in. I will not be surprised to hear tomorrow that in the past you counted your days, months and years using moon �.

Truth be told, you and I know that you shaped your history using some elements of Igbo and Benin culture and history.

B2mario:
This is my first time of seeing this history. But based on the write-up, the Portuguese was definitely referring to someone from the Igboland based on the name of the person, direction of the place of the person and the mentioning of moon as count of days. You and I know that before now Igbos count their days, month and year using the moon. Even the months in Igbo are regarded as/taken from the moon (uwa).

But I fear the Yorubas, you people can twist history, and you make U-turns in order to suit what you believe in. I will not be surprised to hear tomorrow that in the past you counted your days, months and years using moon �.

Truth be told, you and I know that you shaped your history using some elements of Igbo and Benin culture and history.

Smiles.

First of all, the account you’re referring to wasn’t talking about how Igbos measure ‘months’. Neither was it talking about how Yorubas measure ‘months’.

Instead, it is specifically referring to how the Bini messengers measured ‘months’. You may wan’t to read the account again.

However, none of these ancient cultures measured ‘months’ using calendars — they could not possibly use what wasn’t available to them.

Instead, they measured ‘months’ by the moon. In fact, the Yoruba word for month (“osu”) derives from the Yoruba word for moon (“osupa”). So you truly shouldn’t be surprised.
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Having said that, have you bothered to genuinely consider the fact that the said account talks about the following details among others?:

(1) That the Ogane's kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) That the Ogane sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) That the Ogane sends an incoming Benin king a piece of shiny brass helmet as an indication of his approval.
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Are you now willing to demonstrate with scholarly support that the above details are in fact met, with Nri Kingdom as the frame of reference??

Moreover, I have discussed (not me actually, I was basically citing historical scholarship) how Ife checks all the boxes for these details of that account — including how scholars understood the word “East” in the account. See: HERE for a start.
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Furthermore: I feel obliged to stress the fact that apart from some Igbo Nairalanders, there is not a single historian anywhere in the world who has ever identified the Ogané of João de Barros’ account (a.k.a. the Hooguanee of Pacheco Pereira’s account, a.k.a. the Agare of Manuel de Figueiredo et. al.’s accounts) as the King/Priest of Nri Kingdom — It just has never happened before in the world’s history, except (of course) on Nairaland.

The closest the world has come to such identification in south-eastern Nigeria is the ruler of the sacred town of Aro as noted in the story of the Belgian traveler Adolph Burdo.

However, Burdo himself on his visit to the said kingdom noted that it lacked any signs of sacrality, and that the ruler himself, his court, and palace etiquette has nothing in common with what Pacheco Pereira, de Barros and others wrote about the Ogané.

— see D.M. Bondarenko, 2003, pp.73-74.

I think one simple way to avoid falling into cognitive dissonance is to pose genuine questions to one’s self in relation to the above three highlighted details of the account.

Another way still is to ask one’s self genuinely if the Binis did in history (or till date) address any south-easstern monarch by the designation “Oghene”.

Again as a reminder, Ile-Ife checks all the boxes for all of these questions/details.

For a close, the following attached screenshot is from a Yoruba person Adam Knobler’s “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration, 2016”, where he simply echoes the conclusion of Yoruba people the world’s historical scholarship on the subject.

cc: BabaRamota1980, Christistruth00

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NairaHercules:
Of course we will come after you.

We don’t want to leave a stupid person, stupid.

Read the article again and reason.

If you must face someone from a minority tribe please look for a Fulani man and face. They defeated you during the war. You can avenge that now.
Let me also remind you in case you have forgotten your mates. The Yorubas and Hausas are your mates. Leave Ikwerre people alone. We have only four LGA. You don't only have LGA you have states.
Leave us.

Chrisxxx I am deeply disturbed by the outcome of years of propaganda against the Igbos. Language is not the best way to define a people.
Food is the best.
In Nigeria which tribes swallow and cook soup? Can you answer this question?
An ikwere man that I share a common boundary with as an ASA man from Abia state cannot not deny his Igbo heritage.
Language is Igbo , Neighbours Igbo, forefathers igbos, the gods of the land are also Igbo.

chirality:
Chrisxxx I am deeply disturbed by the outcome of years of propaganda against the Igbos. Language is not the best way to define a people.
Food is the best.
In Nigeria which tribes swallow and cook soup? Can you answer this question?
An ikwere man that I share a common boundary with as an ASA man from Abia state cannot not deny his Igbo heritage.
Language is Igbo , Neighbours Igbo, forefathers igbos, the gods of the land are also Igbo.

I have always said I as an Ikwerre man has a lot in common physically, culturally and otherwise with the Igbos and vice versa. However there was never a time an Ikwerre man was in any association of sameness with the Igbos. We only met ourselves by way of trades and others like marriages and religion. It would be very appropriate if you come out with our oneness. If you say Ikwerre people and Igbos are one someone like me will not argue that. But where we have problem is when you want to impose your identity on us. When you want to annex us, we will not accept that. An Ikwerre man has always claimed a superior tribe. Your number does not make every related tribe Igbos. Until your likes come to terms with this fact we will always disagree.
Please see the scientific studies carried out concerning the Ikwerre and Igbo people by some learned professors in Uniport. Most of the researchers are Igbos.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ari/2014/123925/

MelesZenawi:
and cameroon, Gabon, and Congo migrated from where?

They have always been below the Sarah-Haran (Sahara) desert since their ancestor Moses led them out of Egypt. .

The land below the Sahara is populated by the children of YAKUBI (Jacob). Africa is full of direct blood decendants of Abraham.

Ok.
"Agbor king is not Igbo unlike the rest of Agbor people who are Igbo"

New opportunity, take advantage!

Christistruth00:
It was the Ooni of Ife that had to approve the selection of the Oba of Benin and all Yoruba Obas even till today.

All beaded Crowned Obas are descendants of and are authorised by the Ooni of Ife.

The Oba of Benin wears a beaded Crown from Ile Ife.

Bump.

TAO11:
I am Yoruba!

I agree with you that the present monarchy of Benin is foreign from Ife. I know also that the equation of Ekaladerhan as Oduduwa has been debunked in academia as an interesting nonsense.

But I tell you of a truth that the coming of the Ife prince to Benin was not with a violent intention to conquer.

Although I have no reason to deny that some fightings may have taken place in the course of things, but the motive was not a military conquest.

Bump.

TAO11:
Ogané is not even a Nigerian word per se.

However (Oghene) which the Europeans attempted to render (as Ogané and Hougoouanee) is what the Binis (from whom the Europeans gather these data) call the Ooni of Ife till date in their historical-cultural setting.

The attached is from R.E. Bradbury who devoted many years of intensive anthropological field work on Benin and the Edo-speaking peoples and emerged the outstanding authority on the subject.

Bump.

R.E. Bradbury... Brilliant!

Christistruth00:
D'Aveira the Portuguese Sailor who visited the Oba of Benin said it in 1485. Didn't you read the photo shot of the book?

Bump.

True that.

Joao Afonso de Aveiro in 1485 ... From page 4.

8.With the rise of Benin kingdom in the south and hostilities in the kingdom, many of these igbos that had migrated there prior to this time (Ezechima, Akalaka etc) began to return home.There deliberate migration towards the east, crossing the Niger river back to Onitsha shows they knew where they came from.As already noted in the book, cambridge history of Africa before 1600AD,page 273,the density of population in eastern region was already high before 1600AD when Ezechima and family is said to have left Idu/igodomigodo. So migrating in reverse, against an already densely populated area must be a deliberate move heading home and its unlikely they arrived onitsha a virgin land.

LIARS from the pit of hell!

So Eze Chima, a chief priest who sojourned from present day Anambra, paid homage to the Oba of Benin, and was accommodated and given lands in appreciation, now according to these filthy lies existed before Benin Kingdom?
In 1600s? The Edos were a well-organised civilisation centuries before 1600s, not people who just discovered themselves with the arrival of colonialists!
The Oba who hosted Eze Chima was the Sixteenth (16th) Oba of Benin (Oba Esigie)!

Why and how was Eze Chima and his people who were welcomed and warmly embraced by the Oba and Edos chased away? Where did they migrate to and which other settlers did they meet?
Let me help out with the latter part: they migrated to what is Delta North of today and met various groups of people there; Igalas, Yorubas (Olukumis), Edos, Urhobos, Isokos, Itsekiris and other Igbo migrants.

Why was this area so 'cosmopolitan'?
This was a trade zone which connected Present-day Delta to people of Kogi and Anambra mainly owing to the coastal nature of 'Delta', even prior to the slave trade era as European and jewish merchants who came through the sea traded commodities with the locals - cowries, hyde, woodwork, bronzeworks, crops, etc.

Different eras in the course of time, led to even more migration to this strategic area and many of these migrants are now called indigenes. This is a reason why a significant number of these indigenes would tell you they are not Igbos, with many insisting they are of Edo origin while a set whose lineage maintained Igbo geneology would say they are Igbos. There are still the Olukumis, Igalas, Urhrobos, etc who cannot be eclipsed or denied their heritage and indigeneship. The natural realities and facts of intermarriages, hybridization of languages and cultures over centuries would produce cultures and languages which have elements of the various groups.

You better know your history and desist from lies and deception as these won't achieve anything, but discontentment, unsettled minds and heartache in perpetuity.

chrisxxx:
Their target is the Ikweree people of Rivers State. They will come after me just observe.

Did you actually take time to read the piece of the OP? Don't lie.

laiperi:
My dear Professor Ofoegbu R.N, they teach you all these in Nursing School?

Prof. R.N Ofoegbu is a historian not a nurse. The R.N there is her initials not her title. ..


Olodo.

Atigba:
Igbos are trying to turn history upside down, when they discovered that their people are actually immigrants from Igodomigodo.

The south east as we know it today is historically inhabited by Eri who they said is the progenitor of Igbo race. Eri is a descendant of Idu in Igodomigodo, he founded the oldest Igbo kingdom Nri kingdom in 9 century AD. You can easily recognize this because all the villages and towns Idu descendants reside are prefixed with Idu. Hence you have Idu Obu Gad in Aguleri.

All other inhabitants of Anambra, like the Nnewi, Onitcha Ado Na Idu etc are all migrants from Igodomigodo.

The Oru people in Imo State, Oguta and other inhabitants are all Imigrants from Igodomigodo.

Enugu Ezike in Enugu state are all imigrants from Igodomigodo, they however meant the Igalas there same with Onitcha Ado na Idu.

The most aggressive group that migrated from Igodomigodo were Ohofia, Alayi, Igbele, Nkalu Itu, Arochukwu, Ututu, Abam etc group. When they reached the southern part of Igboland, Abia State in around 16 century. They meant the Efik and Ibibio, as you can see ''Aba" is not an Igbo word.

Again, if you listen to Ohofia war dance it depicts migrants from Idu Igodomigodo land.

So where did you get your fake history from that people in the south east migrated to the south south historically. After your fake Jewish story origin no longer sell you result to this.

You tried to sell fakes as facts. How do I know? You did provide any scholarly references and authorities to confer credibility to your assertions like the OP did.


We can agree that you pulled out these statement from the air and tried to sell them as facts.

Atigba:
Majority of Igbos migrated from Igodomigodo southward. Eri, and all Idu descendants I mentioned before.

In our land Igodomigodo, we dont know them as Igbo. There were the Babessi people from Cameroon who migrated to the south east as well, these people have different character and aggressive compared to Eri, Idu children. Those from the south east will understand what am saying.

These Babessi people I strongly believed Nandi Kanu is from that group, they are the mostly lousy people in the south east. They have overshadowed the Eri, Idu children. The Eri, Idu children were addressing these people then as Igbon. In Igodomigodo we know and called them Igbon which mean servant/slaves.

Forgot those rubbish people are saying that Igbo mean ancient people. During the colonial period, the white pronounced that word Igbon to be Igbo which altermatically was used to descirbed all inhabitants from that region till date.

I challenge any Igbo here to answer this question

Why the Ogutas, Onitcha Ado na Idu people and other Idu descendants in the east tell their fellow so called Igbo '' Nwa Oye Igbo".

Again, bring references and authorities to back up your claims.

Atigba:
No research book say such, I have already search the various articles, the writer is a fraud. Quoting an author without proper reference is plagiarism but writing fake story and assigning authors to it, I dont know the type offence to call that.

I am happy you know about plagiarism, which also includes not citiing references in your article and assertions.

Provide your reference and authorities like the OP did.

Fake history by biaflans

NaMe4:
LIARS from the pit of hell!

So Eze Chima, a chief priest who sojourned from present day Anambra, paid homage to the Oba of Benin, and was accommodated and given lands in appreciation, now according to these filthy lies existed before Benin Kingdom?
In 1600s? The Edos were a well-organised civilisation centuries before 1600s, not people who just discovered themselves with the arrival of colonialists!

Why and how was Eze Chima and his people who were welcomed and warmly embraced by the Oba and Edos chased away? Where did they migrate to and which other settlers did they meet?

Let me help out with the latter part: they migrated to what is Delta North of today and met various groups of people there; Igalas, Yorubas (Olukumis), Edos, Urhobos, Isokos, Itsekiris and other Igbo migrants.

Why was this area so 'cosmopolitan'?
This was a trade zone which connected Present-day Delta to people of Kogi and Anambra mainly owing to the coastal nature of 'Delta', even prior to the slave trade era as European and jewish merchants who came through the sea traded commodities with the locals - cowries, hyde, woodwork, bronzeworks, crops, etc.

Different eras in the course of time, led to even more migration to this strategic area and many are now called indigenes. This is a reason why a significant number of these indigenes would tell you they are not Igbos, with many insisting they are of Edo origin while a set whose lineage maintained Igbo geneology would say they are Igbos. There are still the Olukumis, Igalas, Urhrobos, etc who cannot be eclipsed or denied their heritage and indigeneship. The natural realities and facts of intermarriages, hybridization of languages and cultures over centuries would produce cultures and languages which have elements of the various groups.

You better know your history and desist from lies and deception as these won't achieve anything, but discontentment, unsettled minds and heartache in perpetuity.

Succinctly stated.

I like the way you wrote "above the time-track" stating the different ethnicities that populated and made Delta North or the different communities in the Anioma area their ancestral homes

These propagandists are all over the Internet and various social media platforms such as FB, NL, and YouTube fabricating all kinds of grandiose stories that they NEVER had in their entire history especially with the rise of these secessionist groups such as Massob and Ipob.

As of 1500s, Oba Ewuare 1 had ALSO embarked on the military conquest of 201 communities and villages and with the help of the Portuguese men and muskets, Igala Kingdom was defeated and prisoners of war were brought back with tributes being paid to Benin by those ethnic groups conquered and these are recorded in history books. So, these too led to people of various cultures and ethnicities being present in the Edo and Delta North axis due to wars of conquest.

It was during the reign of Oba Esigie the son of Queen Idia in the 1500s that the "Agha Idu Na Oba OR War Between Idu And Oba" supposedly took place and Chime or Ikhime left for the Anioma area and died in modern Delta State.

So, the arrival of Oranmiyan over 800 years ago (through USEN in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State where Afelogiyan, Oranmiyan's OLDER biological brother was the FIRST EVER traditional ruler) as the FIRST EVER Oba of Benin as stated in the coronation speech video of Oba Ewuare II, was NOT the period when this so-called "Agha Idu Na Oba or War Between Idu And Oba" took place. Totally different time frames that were hundreds of years apart.

It's ALL propaganda emanating from some of these uninformed posters online and it's simply NOT CORRECT to say that the former Igodomigodo of the Ogiso era is part of Iboland. Ogie is the traditional name of rulers in the Ogiso era before the Oranmiyan Dynasty took over leading to Oba Eweka being born. Oba Oranmiyan himself later left Benin Kingdom to establish the Oyo Kingdom which metamorphosed into the great Oyo Empire later on. This FACT was clearly stated by the Ogiemien family lineage from the Ogiso era (who are now part of the Oba of Benin's High Chiefs) in a viral Guardian newspaper interview link right BELOW stating that the paternal lineage of all the Obas of Benin is of Yoruba descent from Ife (Ufe or Uhe) while the maternal line came from the aboriginal Igodomigodo (now Benin) as seen in the birth of Oba Eweka. This was after a power struggle occured leading to some deaths of the Ufe (Ife) lineage and indigenous people. Of course he said Yoruba men and the indigenous women had intermarried before that and had many children so the war had to end because of the family ties on both sides and this definitely happened 900 years ago and like I stated earlier, this episode CANNOT be the same 1500s "Agha Idu Na Oba" or War Between Idu And Oba which the Onitsha folks and others randomly talk about since the movement of Chima from Idu took place in the 1500s when Oba Esigie was on the throne!

=>https://guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/


Onitsha ONLY came into existence in the 1600s as a joint settlement of Igala (and Eze Chime descendants who came from the Benin area into Delta North) via the boat crossing of River Niger with the help of Igala boat men.

TAO11:
Smiles.

First of all, the account you’re referring to wasn’t talking about how Igbos measure ‘months’. Neither was it talking about how Yorubas measure ‘months’.

Instead, it is specifically referring to how the Bini messengers measured ‘months’. You may wan’t to read the account again.

However, none of these ancient cultures measured ‘months’ using calendars — they could not possibly use what wasn’t available to them.

Instead, they measured ‘months’ by the moon. In fact, the Yoruba word for month (“osu”) derives from the Yoruba word for moon (“osupa”). So you truly shouldn’t be surprised.
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Having said that, have you bothered to genuinely consider the fact that the said account talks about the following details among others?:

(1) That the Ogane's kingdom was twenty moons' journey away from Benin.

(2) That the Ogane sends an incoming Benin king a small piece of shiny brass cross as an indication of his approval.

(3) That the Ogane sends an incoming Benin king a piece of shiny brass helmet as an indication of his approval.
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Are you now willing to demonstrate with scholarly support that the above details are in fact met, with Nri Kingdom as the frame of reference??

Moreover, I have discussed (not me actually, I was basically citing historical scholarship) how Ife checks all the boxes for these details of that account — including how scholars understood the word “East” in the account. See: HERE for a start.
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Furthermore: I feel obliged to stress the fact that apart from some Igbo Nairalanders, there is not a single historian anywhere in the world who has ever identified the Ogané of João de Barros’ account (a.k.a. the Hooguanee of Pacheco Pereira’s account, a.k.a. the Agare of Manuel de Figueiredo et. al.’s accounts) as the King/Priest of Nri Kingdom — It just has never happened before in the world’s history, except (of course) on Nairaland.

The closest the world has come to such identification in south-eastern Nigeria is the ruler of the sacred town of Aro as noted in the story of the Belgian traveler Adolph Burdo.

However, Burdo himself on his visit to the said kingdom noted that it lacked any signs of sacrality, and that the ruler himself, his court, and palace etiquette has nothing in common with what Pacheco Pereira, de Barros and others wrote about the Ogané.

— see D.M. Bondarenko, 2003, pp.73-74.

I think one simple way to avoid falling into cognitive dissonance is to pose genuine questions to one’s self in relation to the above three highlighted details of the account.


Another way still is to ask one’s self genuinely if the Binis did in history (or till date) address any south-easstern monarch by the designation “Oghene”.

Again as a reminder, Ile-Ife checks all the boxes for all of these questions/details.

For a close, the following attached screenshot is from a Yoruba person Adam Knobler’s “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration, 2016”, where he simply echoes the conclusion of Yoruba people the world’s historical scholarship on the subject.

cc: Christistruth00

Bump.

Impressive historical summations from @TAO11. NOBODY has ever come close to destroying these "online fables" (posted by those uninformed revisionists) like you've done on this Website!

You're an ABSOLUTELY brilliant historian of "artificial intelligence" proportions.


=>https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/20#92845369

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[IPONRI]

In the Yoruba tradition, Iponri is a person's higher self or spiritual double that lives in the Realm of the Ancestors. It is also described as the force in nature that guides an individual's consciousness.

The Yoruba believe that creation exists in two dimensions:
1. Aye: The visible world, or physical universe
2. Orun: The invisible world, inhabited by supernatural beings and the “doubles” of everything that manifests in Aye

The Yoruba word Ori literally means "head" and refers to one's spiritual intuition and destiny. The physical “ori” is a symbol of the “inner head” or “the inner person”.

The concept of Iponri originates from the Yoruba creation myth and is a part of the Yoruba tradition of Ifa. In Ifa scripture, Iponri is described as a person's spiritual double that lives in the Realm of the Ancestors, or Ìkòlè Òrun. It is also described as the Force in Nature (Òrìsà) that guides a person's consciousness.



ORIGIN of IPONRI Settlement in Lagos State

=>https://guardian.ng/sport/remembering-olaleye-the-slum-that-produced-odiye-okoku-other-sport-stars/
2 Aug 2021 — They were founded about 191 and 143 years ago (Olaleye Village around 1830, Iponri around 1878).

Olaleye-Iponri was about 0.35316 km2 with a density of 132,558 persons/km2. The two were gradually merged over the years for administrative and political purposes. They were founded about 191 and 143 years ago (Olaleye Village around 1830, Iponri around 1878). The whole land area was initially owned by the Oloto Chieftaincy Family, which gave it as grants to a few settlers who farmed and fished on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAvKBmcSEI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q480o4IJn4

5 Shocking Stories About The Yoruba Speaking Communities in Delta State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPzVMkn-dc4

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzQsYZle2c
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DELTA STATE ANIOMA PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT ROOTS, OMU OF OKPANAM

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Unveiling Nri Kingdom's Shocking Secret: The Igbo People's Origin Story

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Igbos, Please Stay Away From The Benins -- Prince Eweka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpAaZ7TEtg
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BENIN ORIGIN OF IKWERRE, EKPEYE, AND OGBA PEOPLE OF RIVERS STATE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOsXbQZB_z0
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The story of Ikaladerhan/oduduwa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crgr6uurT28

Oba Ewuare the great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMtE6OpfLuA
Barr. Rhiuyinosa • 10:16


THE REASON OBAS OF BENIN ACTED THE WAY THEY DID. The mother of Oba Ewuare the first had four breasts

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