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NASS should make a law banning the federal government from accepting state law offenders into federal prisons. This hypothetical law will apply to any law enforcement agency created by the state. Any state itching to create a police force should already have a prison. The burden of housing and feeding inmates should fall on the entity who prosecuted the offender.

The federal government will benefit by the long run reduction in prison population. The prisons are over crowded due to state law offenders. Most of these inmates are awaiting trial. It will provide an incentive for states to hire more judges, reform bail laws, or opt for lighter sentences for crimes such fines. States will be less likely to rush to form police forces if the full cost of policing is shifted to them immediately. This means more responsible and wealthier states begin first. Any state that can't will just proceed with the status quo.

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Are there states in Nigeria without state prisons? Every state should have a state prison

Which of the prison is functional? I mean both state and FG prison?

Some police barracks is more like a prison on its own.

Most of the government facilities we are using are just too hold and obsolete

givedemwotowoto:
Are there states in Nigeria without state prisons? Every state should have a state prison

No state has built or operates their own prison. There all federal prisons. The federal government should start charging states fees to house their inmates rightfully.

Intelligent

Op, stop this your phobia for state police, it is the only thing that will stop crimes.

Leave the matter of inmates, we will cross that bridge, when we get there.

Blue3k:
No state has built or operates their own prison. There all federal prisons. The federal government should start charging states fees to house their inmates rightfully.

I don't know if it's just ignorance or plain stupidity, Akwa Ibom State built the Ikot Ekpene Prison and handed it over to the federal government because no state is allowed to run a custodial/correctional service.

How do you expect states to build prisons when they're not even allowed to run them?

State police will change a lot of things including amending the constitution to allow for states to run their prisons.

Edygrin:
I don't know if it's just ignorance or plain stupidity, Akwa Ibom State built the Ikot Ekpene Prison and handed it over to the federal government because no state is allowed to run a custodial/correctional service.

How do you expect states to build prisons when they're not even allowed to run them?

State police will change a lot of things including amending the constitution to allow for states to run their prisons.

Stop living in the past, sir. Prisons were put in the concurrent list during the Buhari administration. No state has built and operated their own prison since the amendment was made in 2019. Lol state police doesn't change prisons. This is why they had to be amended separately. You guys just make up nonsense then start arguments.

Blue3k:
Stop living in the past, sir. Prisons were put in the concurrent list during the Buhari administration. No state has built and operated their own prison since the amendment was made in 2019. Lol state police doesn't change prisons. This why the had to be amended separately. You guys just make up nonsense then start arguments.

Of what benefit is it for a state to build and operate a prison?

Edygrin:
Of what benefit is it for a state to build and operate a prison?

Read the original post before asking redundant questions next time. The federal government saves money, the federal prisons won't be over crowded with state law offenders, and the states have more incentive to make reform regarding awaiting trial inmates. The burden should be moved to states especially if it's a state law. An Akwa Ibomites taces shouldn't go to jailing a sharia state alcohol producer and consumer for example.

Blue3k:
The federal government will benefit by the long run reduction in prison population. The prisons are over crowded due to state law offenders. Most of these inmates are awaiting trial. It will provide and incentive for states to hire more judges, reform bail laws, or opt for lighter sentences for crimes such fines. States will be less likely to rush to form police forces if the full cost of policing is shifted to them immediately. This means more responsible and wealthier states begin first.

Blue3k:
Read the original post before asking redundant questions next time. The federal government saves money, the federal prisons won't be over crowded with state law offenders, and the states have more incentive to make reform regarding awaiting trial inmates. The burden should be moved to states especially if it's a state law. An Akwa Ibomites taces shouldn't go to jailing a sharia state alcohol producer and consumer for example.

If it's so rosy for the Federal government then why are you so against state police, you want the national assembly to make it hard for poor states to have state police then go on to blab about how it will benefit the FG if they do. Do you people smoke before creating threads?

You're making noise about how the FG shouldn't fund state prisons blah blah blah forgetting it is the states that is funding the federal government. Without the states, who'll fund the FG?

Edygrin:
If it's so rosy for the Federal government then why are you so against state police, you want the national assembly to make it hard for poor states to have state police then go on to blab about how it will benefit the FG if they do. Do you people smoke before creating threads?

vanbonattel:
Op, stop this your phobia for state police, it is the only thing that will stop crimes.

Leave the matter of inmates, we will cross that bridge, when we get there.

You're just being argumentive and obtuse out of boredom, it seems. Where did you read I'm against state police? Poor states can and should establish a police force if they're willing to pay the full cost of policing. The full cost includes prisons, which they shouldn't throw on the FG. What reason should they not pay the full cost?

Ps: This guy is ok paying for State lawmakers, state courts, but draw the line at state prisons. Leech mentality at its finest.

Blue3k:
You're just being argumentive and obtuse out of boredom it seem. Where did you read I'm against state police? Poor states can and should establish a police force if they're willing to pay the full cost of policing. The full cost includes prisons which they shouldn't throw on the FG. What reason should they not pay the full cost?

Then what people like you should be advocating for is true federalism so that each state can go back, tab the little resources they have, accrue revenue then pay a certain percentage to the FG so that they can secure themselves instead of waiting for the FG to share allocation. By then they'll be nothing like "poor states" because states will be living within their means and paying salaries within their means.

Saying states that can't afford to have state police or run state prison should follow the status quo is rubbish unless you're part of those benefiting from the insecurity.

And up till this moment non of the state governors have been against state police, non has raised any financial issues about it, I wonder why you're saying all these now when non of the governor is complaining.

Bye and good night

Edygrin:
Then what people like you should be advocating for is true federalism so that each state can go back, tab the little resources they have, accrue revenue then pay a certain percentage to the FG so that they can secure themselves instead of waiting for the FG to share allocation. By then they'll be nothing like "poor states" because states will be living within their means and paying salaries within their means.

Saying states that can't afford to have state police or run state prison should follow the status quo is rubbish unless you're part of those benefiting from the insecurity.

And up till this moment non of the state governors have been against state police, non has raised any financial issues about it, I wonder why you're saying all these now when non of the governor is complaining.

Bye and good night

No your true federalism model is stupid. The federal government won't be effective waiting on states to remit funds. This model was tried in the past in America under the Continental Congress and ended in failure. This why they switched to 1789 constitution. You guys just mindlessly argue and repeat nonsense you hear because you don't read history or government textbooks.

States that can't afford to run the own police force won't be forced to establish one. This is already true with prisons. It's not the federal governments job to subsidize them. They can obviously reform tax laws and add certain taxes to concurrent list. When richer states establish their own police and prisons that naturally frees up resources to assist poor states.

They're not against state police just like they're not against state prisons. The right to establish isn't the ability to establish. This is why they're not establishing a prisons when they could do so right now. They will likely assume ignore it like they do minimum wage laws or just wait until the financially ready. You don't understand this obvious fact because you are blind to reality.

Blue3k:
NASS should make a law banning the federal government from accepting state law offenders into federal prisons. This hypothetical law will apply to any law enforcement agency created by the state. Any state itching to create a police force should already have a prison. The burden of housing and feeding inmates should fall on the entity who prosecuted the offender.

The federal government will benefit by the long run reduction in prison population. The prisons are over crowded due to state law offenders. Most of these inmates are awaiting trial. It will provide and incentive for states to hire more judges, reform bail laws, or opt for lighter sentences for crimes such fines. States will be less likely to rush to form police forces if the full cost of policing is shifted to them immediately. This means more responsible and wealthier states begin first. Any state that can't will just proceed with the status quote.

Prison was moved from the exclusive list to the concurrent list under Buhari. States can now own and run prisons

You made a good point. Excellent.

I suggest you write to your House of Rep member and Senator with the suggestion that the availability of state prisons should be made a prerequisite for a state establishing state police.

That will be your civic contribution to the debate.

Don't include the bit about poor or rich states.

DeLaRue:
You made a good point. Excellent.

I suggest you write to your House of Rep member and Senator with the suggestion that the availability of state prisons should be made a prerequisite for a state establishing state police.

That will be your civic contribution to the debate.

Don't include the bit about poor or rich states.

Thank you I will let them know. I'll delete that harsh truth about poor states. The more tactful words like duty and responsibility get the job done. When leeches on this thread are asked why they shouldn't pay they get tonge tied. They just want to live large on someone's wallet like children 😒.

Please answer this question for me. Do you think the FG should give or sell states their prisons facilities if they agree to take their inmates? Their inmates means individuals they prosecuted for breaking state laws? No wrong answer just curious considering 70% of inmates are state law offenders.

Blue3k:
NASS should make a law banning the federal government from accepting state law offenders into federal prisons. This hypothetical law will apply to any law enforcement agency created by the state. Any state itching to create a police force should already have a prison. The burden of housing and feeding inmates should fall on the entity who prosecuted the offender.

The federal government will benefit by the long run reduction in prison population. The prisons are over crowded due to state law offenders. Most of these inmates are awaiting trial. It will provide and incentive for states to hire more judges, reform bail laws, or opt for lighter sentences for crimes such fines. States will be less likely to rush to form police forces if the full cost of policing is shifted to them immediately. This means more responsible and wealthier states begin first. Any state that can't will just proceed with the status quote.

Brilliant assertion.

vanbonattel:
Op, stop this your phobia for state police, it is the only thing that will stop crimes.

Leave the matter of inmates, we will cross that bridge, when we get there.

The Eyepobian has added his opinion.

As usual upside down.

Blue3k:
Thank you I will let them know. I'll delete that harsh truth about poor states. The more tactful words like duty and responsibility get the job done. When leeches on this thread are asked why they shouldn't pay they get tonge tied. They just want to live large on someone's wallet like children 😒.

Please answer this question for me. Do you think the FG should give or sell states their prisons facilities if they agree to take their inmates? Their inmates means individuals they prosecuted for breaking state laws? No wrong answer just curious considering 70% of inmates are state law offenders.

No one is selling or giving anyone any prison, no state police will be created, all na cruise on the docile minded electorate.

buckeyemedia:
No one is selling or giving anyone any prison, no state police will be created, all na cruise on the docile minded electorate.

I disagree State police will be enacted within the next five years. I do think the federal government realizes its spreading itself thin. I predict it will be ignored by states a few years like Prisons until they have funds. The other devolution amendment took time to manifest results. Lagos just recently passed law on power grid while the rest are sitting on their hands. When the results prove themselves the rest will act accordingly.

Feel free to tell me I'm wrong about any part of my prediction June 2029.

Blue3k:
In the next 5 years state policing will be passed into law. States that have already banned open grazing will enforce their laws. More states will ban open grazing in the south. The federal government in an effort to be neutral on the issue won't accept herdsmen in their jails since it doesn't violate federal law. The states enforcing open grazing laws will be first to establish their own prisons.

helinues:
Which of the prison is functional? I mean both state and FG prison?

How do you define functional? 77k plus inmates are being held and can't escape. If they could they would have already.