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Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by sonmvayina(m): 1:06pm On Dec 28, 2024
KnownUnknown:
Dude stfu! The post you replied to is as much a criticism of the Hebrew bullshit you believe in as it is a criticism of Christianity.
I don't know you or dtruthspeaker who is more sick..
But both of you really need to see a psychiatrist...I will pay for it. My last offer. It will end on the 31st of December..

A word is enough for the wise..
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by tctrills: 1:07pm On Dec 28, 2024
AntiChristian:
That proves that up till now the father still refuses to share the date with the son and the spirit.
Now you are talking like a child. It only proves that he has refused to share it with you. I gave you verses that should enlighting you please read them and all your concerns will be resolved
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by KnownUnknown: 1:08pm On Dec 28, 2024
Zooposki:
Even your savior came through a woman via parthenogenesis, termed in Christiandom as immaculate conception.
The magic jew charlatan isn’t the “immaculate conception”, his virgin mother is the immaculate conception. The Christian nonsense is mostly based on Hebrew bullshit but the philosophy is ancient and from a Greek perspective. A lot of early philosophy was about controlling the passions or appetite. Basically, controlling your instincts.

In short, lust is supposed to be the original sin according to the sex addict called Augustine of Hippo who the morons refer to as “Saint Augustine”. He considered lust the original sin because of his own addiction and the fact that procreation requires passion or lust unlike other passions that can be somewhat controlled.
Since everyone is considered to be born with the original sin, the Catholics who formalized the bullshit religion had to find a way to exempt Mary from the original sin.
So they made up a story of how Mary’s father bleeped her mother without passion or lust, therefore she was conceived without lust i.e. “immaculate conception” makes her “pure” enough to birth a god. Lmao cheesy
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by KnownUnknown:
sonmvayina:
I don't know you or dtruthspeaker who is more sick..
But both of you really need to see a psychiatrist...I will pay for it. My last offer. It will end on the 31st of December..

A word is enough for the wise..
Perpetual slave.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by AntiChristian: 1:37pm On Dec 28, 2024
tctrills:
Now you are talking like a child. It only proves that he has refused to share it with you. I gave you verses that should enlighting you please read them and all your concerns will be resolved
Let him share it with you! And you should inform us here!
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by tctrills: 2:07pm On Dec 28, 2024
AntiChristian:
Let him share it with you! And you should inform us here!
In your religion, do you tell your God what to do or do you take instruction from him? You seem so keen on teaching your God how and what to do. We are really so different. If God chooses to reveal the day of his coming to man, he will. If not, why ask what is of no need to you?
An assignment for you. Please ask your God to reveal the day you are going to die and share it with us here on Nairaland. What do you think about this
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:52pm On Dec 28, 2024
Daejumong:
‘Jesus Christ is NOT GOD, He is a Prophet and Messenger of God!’
Perfect!

That's what his first century Jewish disciples also believe before they later come to grasp that this prophet and messenger is the Christ!

Luke 24:19
“The things concerning Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ, who proved to be a PROPHET powerful in deed and word before God and all the people" NWT

"Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a PROPHET mighty in deed and word before God and all the people" KJV


“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a PROPHET, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people." NIV


So Jesus' disciples believe he's a PROPHET not god! smiley
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by armchairscholar: 6:22pm On Dec 28, 2024
Daejumong:
‘Jesus Christ is NOT GOD, He is a Prophet and Messenger of God!’ - This was displayed on a banner in front of a Mosque in Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria recently and caused a lot of uproar among Christians!

Looking critically at the Bible, is Jesus really God or the son of God? Does He have equal powers as God? Does He always share same ideas as God?(Rebuking his disciples who wanted to call down fire like Elijah,modifying the laws of Moses,asking why His Father forgot Him on the cross and many others).

Why would Jesus have to pray to God all the time if He was God? Why would He teach us in the Lord’s Prayer to pray to His Heavenly Father? Why did the father send Him to die for the world?

Jesus is currently seated at the right hand of God in heaven(Mark16:19,Heb 1:3). This invariably confirms He is not God but the son of God! He answers unto God and He is not completely equal to God. However, He might have played the role of a messenger of God and prophet in the world but that doesn’t remove from the fact He is the son of God(John 3:16).
Saw that post about the banner in Nigeria. Interesting stuff. this kind of debate pops up a lot. Let's unpack it a bit.

From a Christian perspective, Jesus *is* God also the Son of God. It's a core part of the Trinity – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, three persons in one God. It's a complex idea, I know. Think of it like water – it can be ice, liquid, or steam it's still H2O.

The Bible shows Jesus both as divine and human. He performs miracles, forgives sins (things only God can do), but also experiences human emotions like sadness, anger, and physical pain. The gospels show him praying, which, from our perspective, is Jesus, the human part of God, communicating with the divine. Think of it as an internal dialogue within the Trinity.

The idea of Jesus being "at God's right hand" isn't about a literal seating chart in heaven. It's symbolic language showing Jesus' exalted position and authority. Kings often had someone important sit at their right hand.

The banner raises good questions it simplifies a very complex theological idea. The Bible has different perspectives on Jesus, reflecting the evolving understanding of early Christians. It's not always straightforward, and that's okay. It's part of what makes it so fascinating to study.

Hope this helps clarify things a bit. Happy to chat more if anyone's interested!
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Qasim6(m): 6:45pm On Dec 28, 2024
TenQ:
Unfortunately for you

Allah is not God. He is Hubal aka Baal, the chief idol of the Kaaba. The upgraded version of the God of Mohammed's father Abdullah!


The name of the God of Abraham and Moses and David is YHWH: Is Allah's name also YHWH?

The God of Abraham and Moses and David is their Father: is Allah the Father of Mohammed?
Unfortunately for you.

By your assertion, you are implying all Arab Christians both pre-Islam and post are also worshipping Hubal aka Baal whatever that nonsense means.

You just want to throw your fellow Christian under the bus to score cheap point??

Make Una try dey apply common sense small small na!
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by NairaLTQ: 9:00pm On Dec 28, 2024
Qasim6:
Unfortunately for you.

By your assertion, you are implying all Arab Christians both pre-Islam and post are also worshipping Hubal aka Baal whatever that nonsense means.

You just want to throw your fellow Christian under the bus to score cheap point??

Make Una try dey apply common sense small small na!
I received a ban responding to your post but I have the screenshot here

Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Qasim6(m): 9:20pm On Dec 28, 2024
NairaLTQ:
I received a ban responding to your post but I have the screenshot here
Are you telling me you got banned for typing load of trash that make no sense?

Unfortunately for you guys again the correct pronunciation of YHWH is lost and God did not reveal himself as YHWH to Abraham.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Lukuluku69(m): 9:45pm On Dec 28, 2024
TenQ:
And your Deity has 99 names and attributes!
SMH!


He is probably confused!
Confused One, you are still confused?

Your Miracle is on the way!

Lol
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by NairaLTQ: 10:04pm On Dec 28, 2024
Qasim6:
Are you telling me you got banned for typing load of trash that make no sense?

Unfortunately for you guys again the correct pronunciation of YHWH is lost and God did not reveal himself as YHWH to Abraham.
Again:
You have no argument.

Translate the Arabic to English!

Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by AntiChristian: 10:43am On Dec 29, 2024
tctrills:
In your religion, do you tell your God what to do or do you take instruction from him? You seem so keen on teaching your God how and what to do. We are really so different. If God chooses to reveal the day of his coming to man, he will. If not, why ask what is of no need to you?
An assignment for you. Please ask your God to reveal the day you are going to die and share it with us here on Nairaland. What do you think about this
Allah says in Qur'an Surah Luqman 34: "Indeed, Allah ˹alone˺ has the knowledge of the Hour. He sends down the rain, and knows what is in the wombs".

So only Allah knows the hour. Even Jesus needs to get info from Allah for him to know.

Same as Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam and other Prophets.

And I've seen many Christians telling God what to do. Jesus said he will request the holy spirit to show you the truth.

So help us as as we need to know the truth about the hour.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by tctrills:
AntiChristian:
Allah says in Qur'an Surah Luqman 34: "Indeed, Allah ˹alone˺ has the knowledge of the Hour. He sends down the rain, and knows what is in the wombs".

So only Allah knows the hour. Even Jesus needs to get info from Allah for him to know.

Same as Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam and other Prophets.

And I've seen many Christians telling God what to do. Jesus said he will request the holy spirit to show you the truth.

So help us as as we need to know the truth about the hour.
As for Christians telling God what to do, it's not biblical so those you saw are on their own. In our religion, we receive instructions from God and not the other way round.
I know some Muslims who kill in the name of their God, do we now take murder to be the right way of Islam?
If you want to have all knowledge just like Jesus Christ did, he has already told you what to do. Overcome all things just like he did. Then you will know the date of his second coming.

Also you refused to answer my question. Please attempt it.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Expanse2020(m): 6:59pm On Dec 29, 2024
AntiChristian:
Who is Jesus?

A. Jesus is God.

B. Jesus is son of God.

C. Jesus is a mediator between God and man.

D. Jesus is a Prophet and Messenger.


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And Marry is mother of God

God is not the author of Confusion!
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Captain4Jehovah(m): 6:59pm On Dec 29, 2024
tctrills:
If he is the Son of God, then he is clearly God or don't you think?
A bastard will deny his father's name even at a point of death. A bastard will say he does not want his father's name. A bastard does not have any inheritance with his father.
Even the Quran states it clearly he is God. They know the truth but they want to acknowledge it.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by tctrills: 8:21pm On Dec 29, 2024
Captain4Jehovah:
A bastard will deny his father's name even at a point of death. A bastard will say he does not want his father's name. A bastard does not have any inheritance with his father.
Even the Quran states it clearly he is God. They know the truth but they want to acknowledge it.
Don't mind them my brother.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by AntiChristian: 9:30pm On Dec 29, 2024
tctrills:
As for Christians telling God what to do, it's not biblical so those you saw are on their own. In our religion, we receive instructions from God and not the other way round.
I know some Muslims who kill in the name of their God, do we now take murder to be the right way of Islam?
Many too killed in the name of Yahweh. Only Joshua was busy killing in:
Joshua 1:2
Joshua 6:20
Joshua 10:28
Joshua 10:42
Joshua 11:16-17

If you want to have all knowledge just like Jesus Christ did, he has already told you what to do. Overcome all things just like he did. Then you will know the date of his second coming.

Also you refused to answer my question. Please attempt it.
Jesus didn't have all knowledge o! He was hungry and had to move closer to a fig tree to know it had no fruit.
And secondly he didn't know the hour!
And he didn't overcome anything at all!
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by tctrills: 10:13pm On Dec 29, 2024
[quote author=AntiChristian post=133497035]Many too killed in the name of Yahweh. Only Joshua was busy killing in:
Joshua 1:2
Joshua 6:20
Joshua 10:28
Joshua 10:42
Joshua 11:16-17

Again, you are off point. My point was that I would not judge all Muslims as murderers just because most terrorists are Muslims so when you say " I've seen many Christians telling God what to do" That doesn't make it a Christian standard. hope you understand my point now




Jesus didn't have all knowledge o! He was hungry and had to move closer to a fig tree to know it had no fruit.
And secondly he didn't know the hour!
And he didn't overcome anything at all!

You again are wrong. Remember we are judging by what was written in the bible not what was written in the Quran.
The bible makes us understand that all powers were given to him after his death and resurrection.
Matt. 28 Verses 18
[18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
It also clearly taught that he overcame all things.
John 16:33
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father on his throne.
I understand that you don't believe that, but that's what the bible taught, and we can't force you to believe. We can only teach you and allow you to make a choice.
Does this answer your question?
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Gabrielshow24: 10:18pm On Dec 29, 2024
Qasim6:
Unfortunately for you.

By your assertion, you are implying all Arab Christians both pre-Islam and post are also worshipping Hubal aka Baal whatever that nonsense means.

You just want to throw your fellow Christian under the bus to score cheap point??

Make Una try dey apply common sense small small na!
This is rather childish.
Identities are different!

Two people can have the same names but their characteristics are different.

So an Arab christian calling Allah has an underlying concept or identity of fatherhood unlike a Muslim with a concept of slavery.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Qasim6(m): 7:50am On Dec 30, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
This is rather childish.
Identities are different!

Two people can have the same names but their characteristics are different.

So an Arab christian calling Allah has an underlying concept or identity of fatherhood unlike a Muslim with a concept of slavery.
Well, as a Muslim we are not allowed to call God 'father', Even though we understand the term "Father" for God is a metaphorical expression that conveys creator, sustainer and provider, and Yes Allah indeed describe himself in such manner, so Allah is like a Father to Us, except if the term "Father" for God meant something different to you Christians. You can educate me on what God as Father mean for Christians.

We acknowledge that the Jews indeed used and they still using the term but some group of people bastardise the term, they turn God to a 3 in 1 Father, son and a spooky spirit... They make God have a literal begotten son and all sort of blasphemous hogwash.

So the term 'Father' for God has been abrogated for us more like how the term 'Baal' was abrogated in Hosea 2:16.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Gabrielshow24: 7:57am On Dec 30, 2024
Qasim6:
Well, as a Muslim we are not allowed to call God 'father', Even though we understand the term "Father" for God is a metaphorical expression that conveys creator, sustainer and provider, and Yes Allah indeed describe himself in such manner, so Allah is like a Father to Us, except if the term "Father" for God meant something different to you Christians. You can educate me on what God as Father mean for Christians.

We acknowledge that the Jews indeed used and they still using the term but some group of people bastardise the term, they turn God to a 3 in 1 Father, son and a spooky spirit... They make God have a literal begotten son and all sort of blasphemous hogwash.

So the term 'Father' for God has been abrogated for us more like how the term 'Baal' was abrogated in Hosea 2:16.
You seem to forget "your Allah prays👀"

Also stop with the sugar coating.
You don't address your God(Allah) as a Father and again Allah said he is Father to no one!!!

Stop with the lies.
Allah as a Father is only but an expression, you are slaves of Allah!

Does this resemble the christian God or Allah as used by Arab christians👀?
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Qasim6(m):
Gabrielshow24:
You seem to forget "your Allah prays👀"

Also stop with the sugar coating.
You don't address your God(Allah) as a Father and again Allah said he is Father to no one!!!

Stop with the lies.
Allah as a Father is only but an expression, you are slaves of Allah!

Does this resemble the christian God or Allah as used by Arab christians👀?
You are a Joke bro.

Allah is the creator of Heavens and Earth. He owns everything. Who is Allah going to pray to?

You are the one that worship a being that is lacking in knowledge and offer prayers to another higher being so don't drag us Muslims into your confusion...you should own your confusion with your full chest.

Of course I'm a slave of God. Is that suppose to shame me or what?

See who else is described as servant of God below!
Your God is described as a servant of another being, the joke is on you!

Mat 12:18
Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.


Guy tell us wetin e mean that God is father to you Christians or you can just find somewhere go sit down!
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Gabrielshow24: 8:32am On Dec 30, 2024
Qasim6:
You are a Joke bro.

Allah is the creator of Heavens and Earth. He owns everything. Who is Allah going to pray to?

You are the one that worship a being that is lacking in knowledge and over prayers to another higher being so don't drag us Muslims into your confusion...you should own your confusion with your full chest.

Of course I'm a slave of God. Is that suppose to shame me or what?

See who else is described as servant of God below!
Your God is described as a servant of another being, the joke is on you!

Mat 12:18
Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.


Guy tell us wetin e mean that God is father to you Christians or you can just find somewhere go sit down!
That's my point, why will your supposed all knowing and all powerful God pray?

And who does he pray to?🤨

That's one of the errors in your conceptualization of God; "Your prophet says Allah prays" 👀
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Gabrielshow24: 8:37am On Dec 30, 2024
False equivocation. In this instance, the term "servant" is being interpreted in a straightforward, perhaps negative sense, without considering the broader theological or relational context in which a son can also be seen as a servant to his Father.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Qasim6(m): 8:41am On Dec 30, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
That's my point, why will your supposed all knowing and all powerful God pray?

And who does he pray to?🤨

That's one of the errors in your conceptualization of God; "Your prophet says Allah prays" 👀
Why not bring reference?

Or you are just going to keep making things up?

If Una don go learn Islam from David wood and Sam shamoun university, next thing is to come online to embarrass yourself..
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Qasim6(m): 8:45am On Dec 30, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
False equivocation. In this instance, the term "servant" is being interpreted in a straightforward, perhaps negative sense, without considering the broader theological or relational context in which a son can also be seen as a servant to his Father.
U should probably widen your knowledge.

If you do you will know the word translated as my servant there is abdi same word as abd in Arabic.
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Gabrielshow24: 8:58am On Dec 30, 2024
Qasim6:
Why not bring reference?

Or you are just going to keep making things up?

If Una don go learn Islam from David wood and Sam shamoun university, next thing is to come online to embarrass yourself..
🤦you shall want to embarrass your God(Allah)🤕
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Gabrielshow24: 9:01am On Dec 30, 2024
Qasim6:
U should probably widen your knowledge.

If you do you will know the word translated as my servant there is abdi same word as abd in Arabic.
It's still literal use of "my servant" and you didn't take context into play.

It's still false equivocation anyhow you frame it!
Re: Jesus Is Not God! He Is The Son Of God! by Qasim6(m): 9:07am On Dec 30, 2024
Gabrielshow24:
It's still literal use of "my servant" and you didn't take context into play.

It's still false equivocation anyhow you frame it!
Anything that make you snore and drool at night..
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