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| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by DaddyCoool(f): 4:35pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf: gohf:I googled it for you. See below. Do you now agree?? Once again, why can't you accept the simple TRUTH that Christ is God but NOT the Father??!!. Nachmonides
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| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 4:40pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
DaddyCoool:You went through stress. John 1:1 was enough for me to know that one was deceptive. The Context of Revelation 1:12-18: After Revelation 1:8, John turns to see the voice speaking to him and describes a vision of Jesus. In Revelation 1:13-16, the figure John sees is clearly Jesus, with descriptions like "one like a son of man" (which is a title Jesus often used for Himself), and the physical traits (e.g., a robe, a golden sash, white hair, and eyes like flames of fire) match the imagery given for Jesus in other parts of the New Testament (e.g., the Gospels and Daniel 7). Jesus' Self-Identification in Revelation: Later in Revelation 22:13, Jesus Himself says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." This is the same title used in Revelation 1:8. When Jesus identifies Himself this way, it is clear that He is claiming divine attributes of eternity and sovereignty, which aligns with the "Lord God" described in 1:8. |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 4:44pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:The Jesus I preach to you is the same, yesterday, today and forever, he never became God and was never God, he was the son of God, is the son of God and will remain the son of God Heb.13.7 Remember your leaders who first taught you the word of God. Think of all the good that has come from their lives, and trust the Lord as they do. Remember what they have taught you about the word of God, about Jesus least you Heb.13.9 So do not be attracted by strange, new ideas... Your spiritual strength comes from God's special favor, not from ceremonial rules about food, which don't help those who follow them. (NLT) Heb.13.9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. (NKJV) You don't even need to go too far, even the very passages you quote from I have shown you from it, since morning till now your stubbornness as been used by God to show others his word. Jesus doesn't not, he is the son of God, he isn't God the Son or any other new meaning or name. God gave him a name higher than other names and that name is not God the Son, but Jesus. Who having God's nature came as a man, humbled himself to death on a cross then God rose him up and gave him a name that all knees should bow to him and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God.. Philippines 2. Yet after reading that you believe Jesus is God contradicting and destroying the very word Paul wrote to bless and guide us, who aim was Phil.2.5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,... HUMILITY but you call Jesus god to whose glory? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by DaddyCoool(f): 4:45pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:Are you saying AI that goes through millions of pages to present the right answer, is lying? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 4:45pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:In Revelation 22:16 : “I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.” After V.13 says; "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 4:46pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
DaddyCoool:you have Google I have the Holy Spirit, wisdom and sense from God. Use it maybe it will lead you somewhere |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 4:47pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:Gohf, what do you have to say about this? It was actually Jesus that said the "I am" statements |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 4:47pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:What do you also have to say about this? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by DaddyCoool(f): 4:54pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:If you had HUMILITY you'd have stopped arguing by now. It is only PRIDE that's preventing you from admitting you're wrong. Christ is obviously God. It is all over the Bible. Except, he is NOT the Father! |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by DaddyCoool(f): 4:57pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:gohf he's asking you about this below Nachmonides: |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:01pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:when I said it is from your imagination you did not believe Did John write anything about turning around to look for the voice speaking but because you reject what John wrote that it is said by the Lord God, even if he doesn't say who it is, the worship of the angels and the elders reveal who God is, but you. This is what John then heard Rev.1.11 It said, "Write down what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." (NLT) That made him turn and see Jesus Rev.1.12 When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. (NLT) If I call you a brood of vipers who like the serpent leaves at things to the destruction of others would you feel insulted or repentant? Or is it better to call you a fool, who even after being taught that the word I am doesn't mean God. Are you not being wicked to corrupt God's word even if you do not care for your own soul, what do you gain from such foolishness Why like a serpent do you look for new ways to undermines God's word. Jesus sent his angel, did you not read Revelation 12:7 that says Michael and his angels Have you no shame from your errors, if no one rebukes you would you believe yourself right Are there no angels in the hand of Jesus, did God not put all under him. Why then do you claim to know yet you ask in a subtle way to prove that a lie is true |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:04pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:John wrote it sir. Revelation 1:12, it says: "I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned, I saw seven golden lampstands." |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:06pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
DaddyCoool:and who are you to judge if I had humility or not, and what business have you with my humility. In your arrogance you have shown yourself ignorant, without shame you are desiring for the truth to be silent. I do not care to show that you are wrong, God will judge but what you have said is wrong and evil. You lie against all those who wrote the Bible that you probably hardly study. Jesus said you do not know God's word nor God's power but instead of being silent and listening to God you have rejected His word. Do you think my being silent would stop what is true from being true. Not once have you ever shown yourself as one who depends on God's spirit yet you speak of humility when you lack it in face of your errors |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:06pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:And I did not say John turned to look for, instead I said John turned to see One observation again, how can someone turn to see a voice? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:08pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:it is that you cannot read or that you cannot see what else is written in what you quote. This is such a disgraceful behavior you have repeated without fail, at what point did I say John didn't state it and at what point did I also say John said it. Did you not leave it out when you quoted me, don't you have shame or fear for God. |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:09pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
DaddyCoool:Gohf hasn't responded to Revelation 22:13-16 Was it not Jesus that was speaking here? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:09pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:it doesn't matter it is has useless as trying to show separate and distinct are different. Missing the the spirit and life from the word, while debating on words and lies from the devil |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:10pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:Then why did you say this as though I said anything wrong?
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| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:10pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:here again like your father the devil who was a liar from the beginning, before God whok i stand I responded to you but here you are lying to another who is as blind as well. |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:11pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:because you are a liar like your father, did you not cut the message so as to accuse me. Seeing as you can find no fault in the words of God I have spoken |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:13pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:I'm so sorry for you brother/sister. In Revelation 22:16, the last chapter of Revelation, Jesus says he's the one that sent the angel to testify all that has been testified from chapter 1. And you think I'm inspired of the Devil? Okay sir. Sorry sir. |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:14pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:I really don't understand, what's your complaint with what I've posted about Revelation that I've twisted? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:15pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:you did not read this "Jesus sent his angel, did you not read Revelation 12:7 that says Michael and his angels Have you no shame from your errors, if no one rebukes you would you believe yourself right Are there no angels in the hand of Jesus, did God not put all under him. Why then do you claim to know yet you ask in a subtle way to prove that a lie is true." |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:18pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:Yes I read that. Yes I agree with you that Jesus sent his angel. So, I see no disagreement with that. What's the disagreement after this? — in Revelation |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:19pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:It is because you are a deceiver Who quoted writing "After Revelation 1:8, John turns to see the voice speaking to him and describes a vision of Jesus." Did John write anything about turning around to look for the voice speaking but because you reject what John wrote that it is said by the Lord God, even if he doesn't say who it is, the worship of the angels and the elders reveal who God is, but you. This is what John then heard Rev.1.11 It said, "Write down what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." (NLT) A verse you deceptively left out which was before he turned like I already stated |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:21pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:you read it yet denied my response, you read it yet you did not understand it, read it again. Maybe you would see this time |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:21pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:And then I posted about VV.13 and 16; let me post 12 through 16 12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to repay each one according to what his deeds are! 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” 14 Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral people and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and who practices falsehood. 16 “I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.” My question, since it's agreed that the angel is the one testifying here, what is he testifying about in VV.13-16 in your own words Gohf |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:23pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:Alright, I read that too. What's your take on that. I understand that John is telling us how he got the Revelation he wrote down. What do you understand there? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:24pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:since what? Who agreed with you? If you want to lie lie on your own with your own name. In whose words, Please I have no words for you. Look for God's words and stop rejecting them |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:26pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
Nachmonides:I have told you already when I showed from John's revelation quoting when God was revealed and when the son was revealed Your failure to accept it brought about you many questions. You don't need my understanding you need to accept what God revealed if you claim to be a child of God. |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Nachmonides: 5:27pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
gohf:Alright, okay you didn't agree with me, sorry for that. Whose words do you think is written in Revelation 22:13-16, yes John wrote it obviously, but who's words are those? — would it be an angel that is claiming to be those things in VV.13-16? |
| Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by Myer(m): 5:29pm On Jan 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. |
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