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| How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by AntiChristian(op): 5:12pm On Dec 20, 2024 |
"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by hisgrace090: 6:18pm On Dec 20, 2024 |
After death Jesus goes back to mingle with the father as one. |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by blackboy(m): 6:54pm On Dec 20, 2024 |
If someone said something about Muhammed that Muslims don't like how would they react? Jesus is revered in Christianity so let it be. Them no burn the mosque if a church put a similar sign up saying something Muslims don't like about their revered prophet we all know their reaction. 2 Likes |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by alanto: 7:45pm On Dec 20, 2024 |
Isaiah 9:6-7 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. That was prophet Isaiah's prophecy long before Jesus was born. Jesus is a mighty God but not the Almighty God. The Almighty God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. Ogun is a God, Sango is a God, Obatala is a God but Jesus is a mighty God. The Old testament was written about 4,000 years ago, the new testament was written about 2000 years ago. The Quran that was written 1500 years ago can't be more authentic than the books it drew its inspiration from. Please live and let's live. Life is bigger than religion. I noticed both you and the other guy are both Omoluabi. Y'all must know that esi ajoji ni awon esin mejeji Yi. Won dara o, sugbon ko to oun anjale. |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by DiamondsAreFore: 9:00pm On Dec 20, 2024 |
MOOslims have lately been applying the ignorance and illiteracy of their 7th century former caravan robbing false "prophet" to Christian Scripture. In particular, it would appear that they don't understand the meaning of Matthew 24:36 which states as follows: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. It's reall quite simple to understand and if you're a Christian, you should follow the trusted rule of interpreting Scripture by using Scripture. The New Testament was written in two languages: Koine Greek and Aramaic. The word “know” that is used in Matthew 24:36 in the original Greek is eideo or oiden which depending on the context in which it is used, can also mean “to tell something or to make known or declare something” You can see an example of this in 1 Corinthians Chapter 2 Verse 2 with Paul. Paul uses the same Greek word Eideo when he writes to the Corinthians to inform them of his visit to them. Paul says: When I came to you, I decided to know (Eideo) nothing except Jesus and Him crucified… Does that mean that Paul literally didn't know anything about the Corinthian Church he was planning on visiting? No, Paul was saying: When I came to you Corinthians, I only declared Jesus Christ and Him being crucified for your sins So similarly, Jesus in is not saying in Matthew 24:36 that He does not have cognitive knowledge of the hour but that it is not for Him to make it known to His Disciples because that is for the Father alone who can declare it and not the Son. The reason is throughout Scripture, Jesus usually compares His second coming to a Jewish wedding. In fact, there are many parables and instances in the Bible where Jesus is likened to a Groom and the Church is called His Bride. According to Jewish wedding traditions, it's the Father who makes known the wedding day not the bride or the groom. The bride and the groom know their own wedding day but it's the Father of the Groom who makes it known, he's the one who declares it to the Community. Kindly share this with as many other Christians as you can. God's Blessings and a Merry Christmas and Prosperous New Year in advance. [quote author=AntiChristian post=133378208][/quote] 1 Like |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by AntiChristian(op): 5:15am On Dec 21, 2024 |
hisgrace090:He said he was going to his father and to his God! Can a God have another God? Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” It's just like Sango or Amadioha and Olodumare or Chukwu Okike Abiama! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by AntiChristian(op): 5:16am On Dec 21, 2024*. Modified: 5:51am On Dec 21, 2024 |
blackboy:No one is fighting you here. It's not by force to comment on the post. And no one invited you! You can read and pass! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by paxonel(m): 5:40am On Dec 21, 2024 |
DiamondsAreFore:in order words, if you do not have other related scriptures in your head you have no business interpreting a scripture. What do a Muslim know order than Quran? |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by AntiChristian(op): 5:51am On Dec 21, 2024 |
alanto:I no fight anyone o! It's no fight at all. It's just a clarification! You said the more earlier book will be more accurate than the latest book, how true can this be? The earlier book is harder to preserve and there would be several copyists errors in it. And no single person has ever memorized the Bible in any of its original language. The Qur'an is being preserved by memory since about 1500 years ago till today! It's clear today when a book is written you'll see a second/revised edition later! And there could be a second or third revised edition! Also look at the Bible versions! There are about 40 versions of the Bible translations. Some have 66 books, a few 73. Few others differences also exists where some verses or chapters are removed in some while present in others. In some, the said chapters/verses maybe used as footnotes! The chapter you quoted is a very common verse used to claim Jesus is what he is not. The context of the verse actually refers to another person, "To us a child is born". Who is the "us"? The so-called prophecy does not mention any Jesus nor was Jesus called by any of those name on earth! Even Jesus didn't fulfil any of those prophecies. Christian usually use the new testament to read into the old testament what the Jews never saw in it. And then they claim it was the holy spirit guiding them. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:58am On Dec 21, 2024 |
Paganism is what most people practice yet they claim they are worshiping the true God. Whether Jesus or Allah is God or not all these makes no practical sense when you people are still fighting and killing one another due to racism and politics. Believers in God surrender completely to the will of God knowing fully well that their fellow believer will be judged by God if he or she does what is evil towards a brother in faith but pagans don't have any fear for any God rather they put the laws into their own hands. So arguing about deity is unwarranted let each of you check his heart and think of how to make peace with his fellow worshiper not just claiming you love God but hating your fellow worshiper! |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:03am On Dec 21, 2024 |
Because He is "our God". We do not know about other territories outside our heaven and earth but in this territory known as heaven and earth, He is The God of it |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by AntiChristian(op): 7:39am On Dec 21, 2024 |
DiamondsAreFore:Assuming you started well I would have responded well to you! But as usual, holy Spirit has nothing to offer except to inspire you to type nonsense! Na this spirit of blood shed they worry you and your people! Samson kills 30 with the spirit of the Lord Boko haram spirit! "Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon him in power, and he went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men..."Judges 14:19: Spirit of the Lord made Samson kill 1000! Judges 15:14-15: "When he came to Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him, and the ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men." Samson go carry Olosho later! Judges 16:1: "One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute. He went in to spend the night with her." 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by DiamondsAreFore: 10:24am On Dec 21, 2024 |
Hahahahaha!😂😂😂😂😂 See as the Holy Spirit confused you to the point where you could not even respond to the simple refutation I made to your idiotic post!!!😂😂😂😂😂 Truly the Holy Spirit is awaome! See as he ran away from the point the same way his cowardly "prophet" ran away from the Quraysh!!! My fellow Christians, you are witnessing a demonstration of Deuteronomy 28:7 The Lord shall cause thine enemies who rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face; they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways. Our Lord and Saviour has disgraced and scattered this poor fool in the same way that his fake "prophet" Prison and Beatings Upon Him (PBUH) 😂😂😂😂 Praise the Lord! AntiChristian: |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by AntiChristian(op): 10:50am On Dec 21, 2024 |
DiamondsAreFore:People with came here with their brain will get a response! But people controlled with a devilish spirit will only get what they deserve! That's why Jesus said: Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Luke 11:40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by DiamondsAreFore: 1:11pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
You are still avoiding the response I made to your dumb, MOOhamad inspired rant!  Have you now accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior? Is that why you only quote the Words of Christ, but you never quote those of MOOhamad Prison and Beatings Upon Him (PBUH)?😂😂😂 Maybe AntiChristian is about to give his life to Christ with the way he's always quoting Biblical Scripture!!!😂😂😂😂 AntiChristian: 1 Like |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by DiamondsAreFore: 1:34pm On Dec 21, 2024*. Modified: 2:02pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
The Bible was written by two sources: 1. Eyewitnesses to the events described 2. Prophetic visions of future events some of which have been fulfilled and some others which will be fulfilled in the tribulation time. So it is only natural that the Book written nearer in time to the events will contain a more accurate description of those events than the ramblings of a devil possessed 7th century illiterate dullard from Mecca. As for copyist errors, they only reflect grammatical errors on the part of a small number of scribes. Copyist mistakes in spelling and syntax do not explain Christian doctrine. Even your hero Bart Ehrman will tell you all of these things. AntiChristian:Imagine the boldness and stupidity of this statement. The Bible has almost 40,000 verses. It is nearly 8 times larger than the koran and was written by many prophets, prophetesses, Kings, judges, scribes and scholars of God's chosen people the Israelites, under the anointing of the Holy Spirit over thousands of years. Obviously it won't be as easy to memorize a Book which consists of 66 books, compared to a mere pamphlet like the dull and unintelligent koran!😂😂😂😂 And even the koran was not perfectly preserved by memory because even your "prophet" and his mufasiroon admitted several times that many of the verses of the koran had been forgotten and that the koran of today is not the original one! Didn't your "prophet" warn you that he was always forgetting koranic verses? Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: ... [Muhammad said] I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me ... (Sahih al-Bukhari 401; vol 1, bk 8, no 394) A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget. (Sahih Muslim 788b; bk 4, 1721) And no single person has ever memorized the Bible in any of its original language. The Qur'an is being preserved by memory since about 1500 years ago till today!Again, another supremely stupid argument that makes no sense whatsoever. The original papyrus manuscripts of the Bible in Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek have been carefully preserved in MILLIONS of ancient copies. What we have today are translations into modern languages like English, French, Spanish etc. A translation of a text is not a revised edition of that text. Translation simply means explaining the original text in a different language. So there are not 40 different "versions" of the Bible. There is only one Bible with many translations into many different languages. You are comparing the Bible to your koran which several different Qiraats which are different from each other where the Qiraat of Ibn Mas'ud is different from that of Ubbay Bin Kaab and that of Ubbay Bin Kaab is different from that of Ibn Abbas. Can you explain why the Hafs koran that you use is different from the Warsh koran that your colleagues in Algeria and Morocco are using? It's clear today when a book is written you'll see a second/revised edition later! And there could be a second or third revised edition!And these are the same people who will approach gullible Christians with their favourite lies that they believe Christ is the Messiah and that nobody can be a good MUDSLIME unless they respect the Messiah Jesus! 😂😂😂 The Isiaiah Chapter and Verse quoted here is a Messiahnic prophecy. Even the Jews accept that it refers to the Messiah, they just don't believe that Jesus is that Messiah. They are still waiting for a fake messiah who will only come and disgrace them because they denied the true Messiah Jesus Christ!!! "Us" as used in Isiaiah refers to the Triune Three Person God of Israel and the Son who will be called Emmanuel and Mighty God is none other than the Second Person of the Trinity whom we know, venerate, adore and worship as our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!!! Matthew 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring. forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "God with us. Isiaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel The chapter you quoted is a very common verse used to claim Jesus is what he is not. The context of the verse actually refers to another person, "To us a child is born". Who is the "us"? The so-called prophecy does not mention any Jesus nor was Jesus called by any of those name on earth! Even Jesus didn't fulfil any of those prophecies. |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by Nobody: 3:53pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
Ogbeni stick to the Quran . No be by force to post topic |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by TruthinAction: 4:27pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=133378208][/quote]Because he was fully human on earth. |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by sonmvayina(m): 8:36pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
alanto:The child was already born when Isaiah wrote those (9:6) so it can't be referring to Jesus. As you can see, it is written in past tense.. 1 Like |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by MindHacker9009(m): 8:57pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
Even Matthew too misquoted from Zechariah 11:12-13, which mentions thirty pieces of silver being cast to the potter in the house of the Lord: "Then I said to them, 'If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.' So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said to me, 'Throw it to the potter'—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter." This is a very BIG SCAM Where did Jeremiah say this: Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced, 10 and gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord directed me.” Matthew 27:9-10, NKJV. |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by sonmvayina(m): 9:06pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
MindHacker9009:They thought that they would never be found out since there was only one Bible in town and was always kept with a chain and only accessible by the priests... Now the Bible is being mass produced...their Yash don open. All fake and misrepresented.. |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by MindHacker9009(m): 9:18pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
sonmvayina:Reason the early Church followed their tradition and Burnt William Tyndale at the STAKE for translating the first copy of the Bible from Latin to English as this has exposed their Y...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Dj-CvFnAg 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by khalling2008: 7:21am On Dec 22, 2024 |
Jesus was died like a thief on the cross and he shouted like a thief on the cross to the god to save him but god rejected him according to the Bible Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” How can a god still shouting and pray to another god to rescued him from the cross, so, Jesus has no power to rescued himself from the Jews. Infact Bible is most contradicting book on the surface of the earth |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by alanto: 10:22am On Dec 22, 2024 |
sonmvayina:So who was the person that was refered as mighty God before Isaiah or ruing the time of Isaiah? |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by sonmvayina(m): 6:35pm On Dec 22, 2024 |
alanto:God the creator of the universe..this is what Isaiah wrote..it is verse 5 in the Hebrew scriptures but 6 in Christian Bible... Isaiah 9:5-6 5 For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." 6 To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this." Who ever is being talked about is a prince and will become a king in the near future, because he is going to sit on the throne of David. The person being talked about is future king Hezekiah...who was already about 6 years old at this time... 1 Like |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by OneOnland: 7:23pm On Dec 24, 2024 |
From what I've understood from christians, jesus is god and could often use father, son due to this: there is god the father and that is he, god the father came to earth in human flesh, and that is god the son, jesus. Roughly meaning that jesus is god, the earthly human flesh he. Now as jesus, the earthly man, god the human form, thus the son, was crucified, dead, buried and resurrected, ascending back unto heaven then left for his disciples yet another representation of he, holy spirit (a spirit now, not god being god, and not god in the form of man) to jesus the son's disciples and followers. So, going by that, jesus is god on earth, holy spirit is spirit of god, thus it is god the father, the son and the holy spirit, the trinity. That is what Christians say, and essentially the reason for the trinity by the holy Catholic church. Now, to your main illustration that he jesus doesn't know the hour, that's easily understandable to the sense that he as an earthly human may not be able to say or conditioned himself to be able to say, but as he goes back to heaven as he, the father, he would then come back again to earth to enact the said judgements as a 'thief in the night'. So, even without the Catholics' giving, from the new testament itself, it would oft easily be deductible that jesus' claims just thus means god's representation on earth. It is finished! To believe that is to be christian, to not believe that is to be anti-christian. Choose what's good for ya. |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by Nobody: 11:14am On Jan 08, 2025 |
DiamondsAreFore:AntiChristian, this person above gave you a perfect response. Ya thread is declared closed. Go and sin no more or make Allah vex for you.
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| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by AntiChristian(op): 11:19am On Jan 08, 2025 |
Padipadi:If that's perfect to you then i now understand how Jesus is perfect to you guys! |
| Re: How Is Jesus God If He Does Not Know The Hour? by Nobody: 11:26am On Jan 08, 2025 |
AntiChristian:Sharap mumû tin. When ya janjaweèd imams dey practice shenanigans, plot discord, twist holy books dey do anyhow in name of ya brainwashed religion wetin you do? You cheered dem up. Ya mumû go rejoice over fake converts for economic gains in ya coven you go still rejoice. Don't you use ya brain? Jesus claimed He is slSon of God. Did ya janjaweèd imams tell you that? Did you acknowledge that? |
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